pinnerite wrote:

> PTFE is toxic. Not suitable in anything likely to make contact with food.

Such as frying pans?

On 08/02/2024 18:53, Andy Burns wrote:
> pinnerite wrote:
>
>> PTFE is toxic. Not suitable in anything likely to make contact with food.
>
> Such as frying pans?

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jan/25/are-my-non-stick-pans-a-health-hazard-teflon

Most article recommending keeping to a temperature of less than 260C.

Shouldn't be difficult is using oil that would normally vaporise at a
lower temperature.

On 08/02/2024 11:33, Andy Burns wrote:
> So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
> again?  I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

Olive oil?

It works well on the rails of our sliding shelves.

On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 08:54:03 +1100, Harry Bloomfield Esq
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> On 08/02/2024 11:33, Andy Burns wrote:
>> So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
>> again? I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.
>
> Olive oil?
>
> It works well on the rails of our sliding shelves.

That's going to end up as glue when it ages.

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On 2/8/2024 6:33 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> I have had problems with removing the glass cover of the lamp in my oven before, I bought one of these removal tools and got it out with minor difficulty
>
> <https://www.neff-home.com/uk/shop-productlist/accessories/cookers-ovens/installation/00613634>
>
> Then the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again, I've had a few attempts every few months when it annoys me, but yesterday I decided it was going to come out one way or another ...
>
> Took the door and shelves off, took the oven out of the housing, took the top and back off, rested it on its back to get a better 'purchase' on it, dribbled washing up liquid around the glass cover, not budging, poured some more around it, left it overnight and this morning SUCCESS!
>
> The cover is chunky glass (a bit like one of those GU ramekins) and screws into a metal socket, my oven doesn't get much in the way of greasy roasting, it's pretty much just for baking bread, croissants and oven chips.
>
> So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck again?  I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/193626401816

At the bottom of that page, they show an entire replacement
socket, bulb and cover. What a tease.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/355365020625

Paul

Paul wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck again?
>
> https://www.ebay.ca/itm/193626401816

Yes, that's the tool I have

> At the bottom of that page, they show an entire replacement
> socket, bulb and cover. What a tease.
>
> https://www.ebay.ca/itm/355365020625

After removing the shelves, door, top, back and one side, I could see
that whole assembly, but not remove it without going even further.

On 08/02/2024 21:54, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
> On 08/02/2024 11:33, Andy Burns wrote:
>> So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
>> again?  I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.
>
> Olive oil?
>
> It works well on the rails of our sliding shelves.
But not at 200°C

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On 08/02/2024 18:53, Andy Burns wrote:
> pinnerite wrote:
>
>> PTFE is toxic. Not suitable in anything likely to make contact with food.
>
> Such as frying pans?
>
And in taped water pipe joints?

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On 08/02/2024 11:33, Andy Burns wrote:
> I have had problems with removing the glass cover of the lamp in my oven
> before, I bought one of these removal tools and got it out with minor
> difficulty
>
> <https://www.neff-home.com/uk/shop-productlist/accessories/cookers-ovens/installation/00613634>
>
> Then the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again, I've
> had a few attempts every few months when it annoys me, but yesterday I
> decided it was going to come out one way or another ...
>
> Took the door and shelves off, took the oven out of the housing, took
> the top and back off, rested it on its back to get a better 'purchase'
> on it, dribbled washing up liquid around the glass cover, not budging,
> poured some more around it, left it overnight and this morning SUCCESS!
>
> The cover is chunky glass (a bit like one of those GU ramekins) and
> screws into a metal socket, my oven doesn't get much in the way of
> greasy roasting, it's pretty much just for baking bread, croissants and
> oven chips.
>
> So what should I smear on the cover to try and stop it getting stuck
> again?  I've got some food-safe grease that I use on the coffee machine.

I'm confused, Andy. I can't see which oven you mean, or is there only
one model of Neff Oven?

I have a/THE Neff Oven and the glass cover comes out easily - just
relying on my fingernails to prise it out of the fitting.

You write "the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again".
That means that "it" refers to the lamp, not the glass cover. Is that so?

PA

Peter Able wrote:
> I'm confused, Andy.  I can't see which oven you mean, or is there only
> one model of Neff Oven?
There are several Neff (and Bosch/Siemens models too) that share a
common lampholder and cover for an SES 40W golfball.
> I have a/THE Neff Oven and the glass cover comes out easily - just
> relying on my fingernails to prise it out of the fitting.
This one the glass cover about 3" diameter unscrews, it is
inconveniently sited in the corner of the roof, so you can't really grip
it well, it has shallow ribs on the outside which the removal tool is
intended to mesh with, except it "cams-off" too easily.
<https://bartyspares.uk/cdn/shop/products/s-l1600_a4ad2ce6-0258-47b4-9572-1a414a680433_473x498.jpg?v=1593001991>
> You write "the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out again".
> That means that "it" refers to the lamp, not the glass cover.  Is that so?
First time a lamp blew, I tried and failed without the tool, but
succeeded with the tool. Second lamp that blew the tool didn't do the
job, the glass cover was stuck. with the oven on its back and the socket
having a generous squirt of washing-up liquid, I could put all my weight
on the tool to prevent it camming off and after a few minutes it did budge.
Oddly at that point the instructions say do NOT unscrew the lamp, simply
pull the old one out and push the new one in, which is rubbish of
course, you can't do that with an SES lamp.

On 08/02/2024 18:32, pinnerite wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 17:04:24 +0000
> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>
>> Animal wrote:
>>
>>> Beware, all the recommended greases & other wet lubes will break
>>> down & act like superglue. DO NOT use any of them. Cleaning the
>>> glass with caustic soda will help, as glass is slipperier than burnt
>>> residues.
>>
>> Once I got it out I did wash it (mainly to get the washing-up liquid off
>> it) but there wasn't any noticeable amount of baked-on residue on it, I
>> think it's just a bad design (read the reviews of the removal tool in
>> the O/P)
>>
>>> DON'T tighten it up when replacing. I don't believe a lube of
>>> any sort is needed if you follow those 2, but if you do use something it
>>> must be a dry solid only. PTFE should be sufficient if the oven does
>>> not have a hot catalytic clean program, and the glass is not near an
>>> element. Absolutely do not use it if those apply though, burnt fluorine
>>> compounds are toxic.
>>
>> Not a fancy pyrolytic oven.
>
> PTFE is toxic. Not suitable in anything likely to make contact with food.

Just as well they don't sell pans coated in the stuff then... oh hang on
a mo?

> I don't know if it produces vapour when subject to high temperatures.

It is toxic if you get it hot enough to actually break down.
Particularly so if you get it hot enough to burn.

> Was fine in tape recorders!

Is PTFE common in tape recorders?

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On 09/02/2024 16:19, Andy Burns wrote:
> Peter Able wrote:
>
>> I'm confused, Andy.  I can't see which oven you mean, or is there only
>> one model of Neff Oven?
>
> There are several Neff (and Bosch/Siemens models too) that share a
> common lampholder and cover for an SES 40W golfball.
>
>> I have a/THE Neff Oven and the glass cover comes out easily - just
>> relying on my fingernails to prise it out of the fitting.
>
> This one the glass cover about 3" diameter unscrews, it is
> inconveniently sited in the corner of the roof, so you can't really grip
> it well, it has shallow ribs on the outside which the removal tool is
> intended to mesh with, except it "cams-off" too easily.
>

The glass cover in my Neff oven is athletics-track-shaped (===) and it
flips away from the oven's inner lining. It is retained by two
spring-steel strips mounted on the outer surface of the oven's lining.

My Neff oven is about 40 years old. If your oven is newer than that it
seems that the design has regressed.

> <https://bartyspares.uk/cdn/shop/products/s-l1600_a4ad2ce6-0258-47b4-9572-1a414a680433_473x498.jpg?v=1593001991>
>
>> You write "the next time the lamp blew I could *NOT* get it out
>> again". That means that "it" refers to the lamp, not the glass cover.
>> Is that so?
>
> First time a lamp blew, I tried and failed without the tool, but
> succeeded with the tool.  Second lamp that blew the tool didn't do the
> job, the glass cover was stuck. with the oven on its back and the socket
> having a generous squirt of washing-up liquid, I could put all my weight
> on the tool to prevent it camming off and after a few minutes it did budge.
>
> Oddly at that point the instructions say do NOT unscrew the lamp, simply
> pull the old one out and push the new one in, which is rubbish of
> course, you can't do that with an SES lamp.
>

Odd, indeed. I've used a brief squirt of WD-40 at the bulb's ES - as
easing oil - to get the bulb out in one piece. Awful things, ES bulbs.