Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.

(Doesn't do weigh on settle though)

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 13:24:13 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:

> Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
>
> (Doesn't do weigh on settle though)

But do they tell you how long a lettuce (or King Charles) will last?

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On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 13:46:40 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 13:24:13 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:
>
>> Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
>>
>> (Doesn't do weigh on settle though)
>
> But do they tell you how long a lettuce (or King Charles) will last?

There was a satirical piece in the register over 15 years ago about an
"app" that could scan fruit and veg and give you the use by date ...

On 10/02/2024 13:24, Jethro_uk wrote:
> Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.

Isn't that to overcome the problem where most people weighing fruit and
vegetables input carrots as being the product on the scales. Some
supermarkets were selling many tons more carrots than they put on the
shelves.

I note in some of te supermarkets many more cameras monitoring the
individual self service checkouts

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On 10/02/2024 14:18, Jethro_uk wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 13:46:40 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 13:24:13 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>
>>> Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
>>>
>>> (Doesn't do weigh on settle though)
>>
>> But do they tell you how long a lettuce (or King Charles) will last?
>
> There was a satirical piece in the register over 15 years ago about an
> "app" that could scan fruit and veg and give you the use by date ...

Sometimes you can just use your eyes to tell you how long something is
going to last BUT you first have to remove the item away from the
lighting illumination the shelving. Supermarkets are very good at
proving green lighting for fruit/veg, red lighting for meat etc.

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On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:20:59 +0000
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> On 10/02/2024 13:24, Jethro_uk wrote:
> > Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
> >
>
> Isn't that to overcome the problem where most people weighing fruit
> and vegetables input carrots as being the product on the scales. Some
> supermarkets were selling many tons more carrots than they put on
> the shelves.
>
> I note in some of te supermarkets many more cameras monitoring the
> individual self service checkouts
>
>

Costco and Walmart in the US have closed some self-service tills,
allegedly due to 'losses'.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/13/business/self-checkout-stores-shopping/index.html

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On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:20:59 GMT, "alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> On 10/02/2024 13:24, Jethro_uk wrote:
>> Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
>
> Isn't that to overcome the problem where most people weighing fruit and
> vegetables input carrots as being the product on the scales.

Why might they do that?

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On 10/02/2024 15:55, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:20:59 GMT, "alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 10/02/2024 13:24, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>> Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
>>
>> Isn't that to overcome the problem where most people weighing fruit and
>> vegetables input carrots as being the product on the scales.
>
> Why might they do that?
>
Carrots are cheaper than avocados?
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On 10 Feb 2024 at 16:23:46 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 10/02/2024 15:55, Tim Streater wrote:
>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:20:59 GMT, "alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/02/2024 13:24, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>>> Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
>>>
>>> Isn't that to overcome the problem where most people weighing fruit and
>>> vegetables input carrots as being the product on the scales.
>>
>> Why might they do that?
>>
> Carrots are cheaper than avocados?

In the hope that the checkout person doesn't see the words "Loose carrots" in
large text on the sticky label the scroat has attached to the avocado?

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On 10/02/2024 17:07, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 10 Feb 2024 at 16:23:46 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 10/02/2024 15:55, Tim Streater wrote:
>>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:20:59 GMT, "alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/02/2024 13:24, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>>>> Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't that to overcome the problem where most people weighing fruit and
>>>> vegetables input carrots as being the product on the scales.
>>>
>>> Why might they do that?
>>>
>> Carrots are cheaper than avocados?
>
> In the hope that the checkout person doesn't see the words "Loose carrots" in
> large text on the sticky label the scroat has attached to the avocado?
>
might be self service checkout.
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On 10 Feb 2024 17:07:25 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

>>> Why might they do that?
>>>
>> Carrots are cheaper than avocados?
>
>In the hope that the checkout person doesn't see the words "Loose carrots" in
>large text on the sticky label the scroat has attached to the avocado?

The customer using the self service scales and misidentifying the
produce will also be using the self-service checkout.

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 02:55:42 +1100, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk>
wrote:

> On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:20:59 GMT, "alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 10/02/2024 13:24, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>> Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
>>
>> Isn't that to overcome the problem where most people weighing fruit and
>> vegetables input carrots as being the product on the scales.
>
> Why might they do that?

Because they are cheaper.

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 05:01:15 +1100, ken, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

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On 10 Feb 2024 at 17:39:30 GMT, "Peter Johnson" <peter@parksidewood.nospam>
wrote:

> On 10 Feb 2024 17:07:25 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>>> Why might they do that?
>>>>
>>> Carrots are cheaper than avocados?
>>
>> In the hope that the checkout person doesn't see the words "Loose carrots" in
>> large text on the sticky label the scroat has attached to the avocado?
>
> The customer using the self service scales and misidentifying the
> produce will also be using the self-service checkout.

Certainly. But such get checked from time to time.

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On 10/02/2024 15:20, Joe wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:20:59 +0000
> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 10/02/2024 13:24, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>> Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
>>>
>>
>> Isn't that to overcome the problem where most people weighing fruit
>> and vegetables input carrots as being the product on the scales. Some
>> supermarkets were selling many tons more carrots than they put on
>> the shelves.
>>
>> I note in some of te supermarkets many more cameras monitoring the
>> individual self service checkouts
>>
>>
>
> Costco and Walmart in the US have closed some self-service tills,
> allegedly due to 'losses'.
>
> https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/13/business/self-checkout-stores-shopping/index.html

I wish Sainsburys near here would do away with some and man more proper
tills.

I'm fed up of long queues at the trolley self-service, because no tills
are manned and the basket self-service is closed, so that they only need
one member of staff.

I'm fed up of scanning a bottle of alcohol (or even alcohol free wine or
beer) and having it flag up as needing approval and needing a tag taken
off, so I can't pack it and end up with the heavy liquids on top of
stuff that gets squashed. Even worse, they now have changed to okaying
the purchase, but they don't take the tag off until after you've paid -
and of course they are then tied up with someone else and you're stuck,
trying to get their attention

It's so much easier to go through the manned till, if any are open.

On 10/02/2024 22:53, SteveW wrote:
> I'm fed up of scanning a bottle of alcohol (or even alcohol free wine or
> beer) and having it flag up as needing approval and needing a tag taken
> off, so I can't pack it and end up with the heavy liquids on top of
> stuff that gets squashed. Even worse, they now have changed to okaying
> the purchase, but they don't take the tag off until after you've paid -
> and of course they are then tied up with someone else and you're stuck,
> trying to get their attention

Shop at Waitrose, instead.

Scan alcohol, position starts flashing, carry on packing till assistant
rocks up, confirms that you are not underage, and that's it. No tags on
on the first place.

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On 11/02/2024 09:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 10/02/2024 22:53, SteveW wrote:
>> I'm fed up of scanning a bottle of alcohol (or even alcohol free wine
>> or beer) and having it flag up as needing approval and needing a tag
>> taken off, so I can't pack it and end up with the heavy liquids on top
>> of stuff that gets squashed. Even worse, they now have changed to
>> okaying the purchase, but they don't take the tag off until after
>> you've paid - and of course they are then tied up with someone else
>> and you're stuck, trying to get their attention
>
> Shop at Waitrose, instead.
>
> Scan alcohol, position starts flashing, carry on packing till assistant
> rocks up, confirms that you are not underage, and that's it. No tags on
> on the first place.

Unfortunately, Sainsburys is 5 minutes away, while Waitrose is 30
minutes away, so not really worth the effort for just a few items.

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 13:24:13 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:

> Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
>
> (Doesn't do weigh on settle though)

SWMBO has just reminded me that the mushrooms we were weighing were in an
opaque reusable bag - and therefore not immediately discernable as
mushrooms. Yet the scales correctly selected "mushrooms" as the item to
weigh.

I suspect there is a little bit more computing going on somewhere ...
maybe a crude density calculation to act as a double-check.

If only they'd deployed this level of computing power when Covid loans
were being dished out.

On 11/02/2024 17:43, SteveW wrote:
> On 11/02/2024 09:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 10/02/2024 22:53, SteveW wrote:
>>> I'm fed up of scanning a bottle of alcohol (or even alcohol free wine
>>> or beer) and having it flag up as needing approval and needing a tag
>>> taken off, so I can't pack it and end up with the heavy liquids on
>>> top of stuff that gets squashed. Even worse, they now have changed to
>>> okaying the purchase, but they don't take the tag off until after
>>> you've paid - and of course they are then tied up with someone else
>>> and you're stuck, trying to get their attention
>>
>> Shop at Waitrose, instead.
>>
>> Scan alcohol, position starts flashing, carry on packing till
>> assistant rocks up, confirms that you are not underage, and that's it.
>> No tags on on the first place.
>
> Unfortunately, Sainsburys is 5 minutes away, while Waitrose is 30
> minutes away, so not really worth the effort for just a few items.
>

Sainsbury's is either 35 minutes away or 50. Oddly enough two Waitroses
in different towns are my nearest stores, with Tescos very close behind.
Maybe Lidl and Aldi are fractionally closer in the town I don't visit
that often, but I didn't find they had the stuff I wanted.
My favourite Waitrose is a very relaxed 25 minute country drive. Ample
parking, relaxed and friendly staff. I don't care if it's ten quid more

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On Sunday 11 February 2024 at 20:40:10 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 11/02/2024 17:43, SteveW wrote:
> > On 11/02/2024 09:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >> On 10/02/2024 22:53, SteveW wrote:
> >>> I'm fed up of scanning a bottle of alcohol (or even alcohol free wine
> >>> or beer) and having it flag up as needing approval and needing a tag
> >>> taken off, so I can't pack it and end up with the heavy liquids on
> >>> top of stuff that gets squashed. Even worse, they now have changed to
> >>> okaying the purchase, but they don't take the tag off until after
> >>> you've paid - and of course they are then tied up with someone else
> >>> and you're stuck, trying to get their attention
> >>
> >> Shop at Waitrose, instead.
> >>
> >> Scan alcohol, position starts flashing, carry on packing till
> >> assistant rocks up, confirms that you are not underage, and that's it.
> >> No tags on on the first place.
> >
> > Unfortunately, Sainsburys is 5 minutes away, while Waitrose is 30
> > minutes away, so not really worth the effort for just a few items.
> >
> Sainsbury's is either 35 minutes away or 50. Oddly enough two Waitroses
> in different towns are my nearest stores, with Tescos very close behind.
> Maybe Lidl and Aldi are fractionally closer in the town I don't visit
> that often, but I didn't find they had the stuff I wanted.
> My favourite Waitrose is a very relaxed 25 minute country drive. Ample
> parking, relaxed and friendly staff. I don't care if it's ten quid more

Waitrose is only £10 more if you're just spending a fiver. OTOH Their Patak's were cheaper than Tesco last time.

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 18:04:06 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
<jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 13:24:13 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:
>
>> Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
>>
>> (Doesn't do weigh on settle though)
>
>SWMBO has just reminded me that the mushrooms we were weighing were in an
>opaque reusable bag - and therefore not immediately discernable as
>mushrooms. Yet the scales correctly selected "mushrooms" as the item to
>weigh.
>
>I suspect there is a little bit more computing going on somewhere ...
>maybe a crude density calculation to act as a double-check.
>
>If only they'd deployed this level of computing power when Covid loans
>were being dished out.
I wonder if the bag is opaque to visible light but transparent to
infra red which the camera can see.

Dave W wrote:

>On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 18:04:06 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
><jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 13:24:13 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>
>>> Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
>>>
>>> (Doesn't do weigh on settle though)
>>
>>SWMBO has just reminded me that the mushrooms we were weighing were in an
>>opaque reusable bag - and therefore not immediately discernable as
>>mushrooms. Yet the scales correctly selected "mushrooms" as the item to
>>weigh.
>>
>>I suspect there is a little bit more computing going on somewhere ...
>>maybe a crude density calculation to act as a double-check.
>>
>>If only they'd deployed this level of computing power when Covid loans
>>were being dished out.
>
>I wonder if the bag is opaque to visible light but transparent to
>infra red which the camera can see.

When it works it is quite clever, certainly sees through the mesh
bag. However, although one of the scales in my local store
weighed correctly this week, it did not recognise the goods.
There is no longer any ability to make a manual choice. The
"Help" button simply tells you how it _should_ work. :-(

Fortunately an alternative set of scales worked OK.

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On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:00:47 +0000, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
wrote:

>Dave W wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 18:04:06 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
>><jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 13:24:13 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
>>>>
>>>> (Doesn't do weigh on settle though)
>>>
>>>SWMBO has just reminded me that the mushrooms we were weighing were in an
>>>opaque reusable bag - and therefore not immediately discernable as
>>>mushrooms. Yet the scales correctly selected "mushrooms" as the item to
>>>weigh.
>>>
>>>I suspect there is a little bit more computing going on somewhere ...
>>>maybe a crude density calculation to act as a double-check.
>>>
>>>If only they'd deployed this level of computing power when Covid loans
>>>were being dished out.
>>
>>I wonder if the bag is opaque to visible light but transparent to
>>infra red which the camera can see.
>
>When it works it is quite clever, certainly sees through the mesh
>bag. However, although one of the scales in my local store
>weighed correctly this week, it did not recognise the goods.
>There is no longer any ability to make a manual choice. The
>"Help" button simply tells you how it _should_ work. :-(
>
>Fortunately an alternative set of scales worked OK.
>
Hmmm... I have some old bags-for-life from Morrisons with pictures of
pears and from Asda with pictures of lemons. I wonder if they would
break the system?

Nick

On 15/03/2024 22:17, Dave W wrote:

<snip>

> I wonder if the bag is opaque to visible light but transparent to
> infra red which the camera can see.

Good point. I have a thermal imaging camera, and black bin-liners are
see-through.

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Nick Odell wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:00:47 +0000, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
>wrote:

>>When it works it is quite clever, certainly sees through the mesh
>>bag. However, although one of the scales in my local store
>>weighed correctly this week, it did not recognise the goods.
>>There is no longer any ability to make a manual choice. The
>>"Help" button simply tells you how it _should_ work. :-(
>>
>>Fortunately an alternative set of scales worked OK.
>>
>Hmmm... I have some old bags-for-life from Morrisons with pictures of
>pears and from Asda with pictures of lemons. I wonder if they would
>break the system?

Only one way to find out...

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