Tim Lamb wrote:

>My current plan! is to have both m/cs running on my local network and
>have the W7 stuff available to share such that I can re-save it to the
>W11 box.
>
>My initial problem is finding my way around in W11 without having the
>experience of the steps from W7.

When handling file copying, and synchronisation between folders,
a program that I have found very useful is FreeFileSynch
https://www.freefilesync.org/

You can configure it in a number of ways to do exactly what you
want. I have used it in various different scenarios, both
mirroring and updating. You can add filters, include/ exclude
rules, decide which type of file comparison...

Chris
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In message <c0p9sihcj9svvjv3jp7277k1242lruic8p@4ax.com>, Chris J Dixon
<chris@cdixon.me.uk> writes
>Tim Lamb wrote:
>
>>My current plan! is to have both m/cs running on my local network and
>>have the W7 stuff available to share such that I can re-save it to the
>>W11 box.
>>
>>My initial problem is finding my way around in W11 without having the
>>experience of the steps from W7.
>
>When handling file copying, and synchronisation between folders,
>a program that I have found very useful is FreeFileSynch
>https://www.freefilesync.org/
>
>You can configure it in a number of ways to do exactly what you
>want. I have used it in various different scenarios, both
>mirroring and updating. You can add filters, include/ exclude
>rules, decide which type of file comparison...

Ok. Chris. I had wondered if differences in the file systems might cause
problems.
Thanks.

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On 08/02/2024 10:15, Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message <uq11k9$1keqo$1@dont-email.me>, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
> writes
>> On 2/6/2024 3:37 PM, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>> In message <l2fgc8Ft9m1U1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns
>>> <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes
>>>> Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Then I find that when right-clicking on a file do something such as
>>>>> Copy,
>>>>> Paste, etc, all the options I make most use of have been moved to
>>>>> "Show
>>>>> further options", and Duplicate appears to have gone altogether.
>>>>
>>>> There's definitely setting to get the whole of the old menu back,
>>>> also I think individual options to bring back e.g. move
>>>
>>> I see nobody wants to earn any virtual money:-)
>>>
>>> For the simple minded, say I have a stack of photos saved in a file
>>> titled *pictures* under a further heading of *my documents* with
>>> access allowed to *new user*.
>>> Can I use the W11 box to search for that file in the back up hard
>>> drive and then save it?
>>>
>>
>> This sounds vaguely like "photo or file deduplication".
>> Or it could be a "sync or mirroring" function.
>> Or it could be an "incremental backup" function.
>>
>> The "tools" today, are not necessarily "primitives" you
>> can bolt together to make a useful thing.
>
> Indeed! Try looking at with a simple *user* mindset:-(
>
> My current plan! is to have both m/cs running on my local network and
> have the W7 stuff available to share such that I can re-save it to the
> W11 box.
>
> My initial problem is finding my way around in W11 without having the
> experience of the steps from W7.

So do it the other way round, share the new folders (with write access)
on the Win11 box and use Win 7 to copy stuff into them :-)

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On 06/02/2024 20:47, Andy Burns wrote:
> GB wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> once I've moved the start button back to the bottom/left corner, I
>>> don't find Win11 too bad to use ... >>
>>
>> Why would you want it bottom left?
>
> Fitz's law.  Having a button in the corner effectively makes it
> infinitely large as a mouse target.

Why it also made more sense to have the menu bar for every app rendered
at the top of the screen and not the top of it's window...

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On 08/02/2024 10:26, Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message <uq26f8$1srta$1@dont-email.me>, David Wade
> <g4ugm@dave.invalid> writes
>> On 07/02/2024 22:52, Paul wrote:
>>> On 2/6/2024 3:37 PM, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>> In message <l2fgc8Ft9m1U1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns
>>>> <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes
>>>>> Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I find that when right-clicking on a file do something such
>>>>>> as Copy,
>>>>>> Paste, etc, all the options I make most use of have been moved to
>>>>>> "Show
>>>>>> further options", and Duplicate appears to have gone altogether.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's definitely setting to get the whole of the old menu back,
>>>>> also I think individual options to bring back e.g. move
>>
>> Cut/copy/paste are now in little icons at the top of the list. Was
>> there ever a move?
>>
>> https://www.howtogeek.com/759449/how-to-get-full-context-menus-in-window
>> s-11s-file-explorer/
>>
>> (You have to join URL) will show you how to get full menu or just
>> shift+right click.
>>
>> https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-add-move-copy-folder-context-menu/
>>
>> has info on adding move/copy
>>
>>>>
>>>> I see nobody wants to earn any virtual money:-)
>>>>
>>>> For the simple minded, say I have a stack of photos saved in a file
>>>> titled *pictures* under a further heading of *my documents* with
>>>> access allowed to *new user*.
>>>> Can I use the W11 box to search for that file in the back up hard
>>>> drive and then save it?
>>>>
>>
>> only if you add it to the indexed file locations.
>
> Hmm. That sounds way beyond my skills.

I think you under-estimate your skills! Open the settings application
and type "indexing" into the search box. Choose "advanced Indexing" from
the list which is the bottom of the list which appears.

You can then use the modify button to add you extra disk.

Once I get some familiarity with
> W11, I am going to attempt the *shared folder route*.
>

Thats OK till your W8 box dies. If you want to find a file by name you
can probably use the search in Explorer but its slower. Just open File
Explorer , navigate to your drive letter, and put a name in the box...

> I may be gone some time! (Captain Oates!)

Relax, you are not going to kill anyone

Dave

In message <uq34s5$22h2j$2@dont-email.me>, David Wade
<g4ugm@dave.invalid> writes
>On 08/02/2024 10:26, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> In message <uq26f8$1srta$1@dont-email.me>, David Wade
>><g4ugm@dave.invalid> writes
>>> On 07/02/2024 22:52, Paul wrote:
>>>> On 2/6/2024 3:37 PM, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>> In message <l2fgc8Ft9m1U1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns
>>>>><usenet@andyburns.uk> writes
>>>>>> Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then I find that when right-clicking on a file do something such
>>>>>>>as Copy,
>>>>>>> Paste, etc, all the options I make most use of have been moved
>>>>>>>to "Show
>>>>>>> further options", and Duplicate appears to have gone altogether.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's definitely setting to get the whole of the old menu back,
>>>>>>also I think individual options to bring back e.g. move
>>>
>>> Cut/copy/paste are now in little icons at the top of the list. Was
>>>there ever a move?
>>>
>>> https://www.howtogeek.com/759449/how-to-get-full-context-menus-in-window
>>> s-11s-file-explorer/
>>>
>>> (You have to join URL) will show you how to get full menu or just
>>>shift+right click.
>>>
>>> https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-add-move-copy-folder-context-menu/
>>>
>>> has info on adding move/copy
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I see nobody wants to earn any virtual money:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> For the simple minded, say I have a stack of photos saved in a
>>>>>file titled *pictures* under a further heading of *my documents*
>>>>>with access allowed to *new user*.
>>>>> Can I use the W11 box to search for that file in the back up hard
>>>>>drive and then save it?
>>>>>
>>>
>>> only if you add it to the indexed file locations.
>> Hmm. That sounds way beyond my skills.
>
>I think you under-estimate your skills! Open the settings application
>and type "indexing" into the search box. Choose "advanced Indexing"
>from the list which is the bottom of the list which appears.
>
>You can then use the modify button to add you extra disk.
>
>
>Once I get some familiarity with
>> W11, I am going to attempt the *shared folder route*.
>>
>
>
>Thats OK till your W8 box dies. If you want to find a file by name you
>can probably use the search in Explorer but its slower. Just open File
>Explorer , navigate to your drive letter, and put a name in the box...
>
>> I may be gone some time! (Captain Oates!)
>
>Relax, you are not going to kill anyone

Indeed. Endless meaningless fractions of the alphabet are likely to be
the end of me though.

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In message <uq2uqt$21feh$2@dont-email.me>, John Rumm
<see.my.signature@nowhere.null> writes
>On 08/02/2024 10:15, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> In message <uq11k9$1keqo$1@dont-email.me>, Paul
>><nospam@needed.invalid> writes
>>> On 2/6/2024 3:37 PM, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>> In message <l2fgc8Ft9m1U1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns
>>>><usenet@andyburns.uk> writes
>>>>> Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I find that when right-clicking on a file do something such
>>>>>>as Copy,
>>>>>> Paste, etc, all the options I make most use of have been moved to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> further options", and Duplicate appears to have gone altogether.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's definitely setting to get the whole of the old menu back,
>>>>>also I think individual options to bring back e.g. move
>>>>
>>>> I see nobody wants to earn any virtual money:-)
>>>>
>>>> For the simple minded, say I have a stack of photos saved in a file
>>>>titled *pictures* under a further heading of *my documents* with
>>>>access allowed to *new user*.
>>>> Can I use the W11 box to search for that file in the back up hard
>>>>drive and then save it?
>>>>
>>>
>>> This sounds vaguely like "photo or file deduplication".
>>> Or it could be a "sync or mirroring" function.
>>> Or it could be an "incremental backup" function.
>>>
>>> The "tools" today, are not necessarily "primitives" you
>>> can bolt together to make a useful thing.
>> Indeed! Try looking at with a simple *user* mindset:-(
>> My current plan! is to have both m/cs running on my local network
>>and have the W7 stuff available to share such that I can re-save it
>>to the W11 box.
>> My initial problem is finding my way around in W11 without having
>>the experience of the steps from W7.
>
>So do it the other way round, share the new folders (with write access)
>on the Win11 box and use Win 7 to copy stuff into them :-)

I'm still going to struggle up the learning curve and don't need access
to old stuff very often. Keeping both boxes going seems easier than
jumping in with both feet:-)
>

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On 08/02/2024 in message <2NDwIRFv7SxlFwgc@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> Tim
Lamb wrote:

>Indeed. Endless meaningless fractions of the alphabet are likely to be the
>end of me though.

Ultrasearch free is excellent and easy to use:

https://www.jam-software.com/ultrasearch

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There are 3 types of people in this world. Those who can count, and those
who can't.

In message <xn0ohuaoz3hz2xp00h@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines
<jgnewsid@outlook.com> writes
>On 08/02/2024 in message <2NDwIRFv7SxlFwgc@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> Tim
>Lamb wrote:
>
>>Indeed. Endless meaningless fractions of the alphabet are likely to be
>>the end of me though.
>
>Ultrasearch free is excellent and easy to use:
>
>https://www.jam-software.com/ultrasearch

Hmm. Only suited for 64 bit architecture. Saved for the future:-)

Current urgent activity is creating 2 large timber planters for the
shrubs gifted to the birthday girl! Have you seen the price of these
things!
So far I have planed up some Oak for the uprights and salvaged some
treated tongue and groove board for the sides. I haven't yet worked out
how to do the base as it needs to be free draining but support the
compost.
>

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On 08/02/2024 20:21, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 08/02/2024 in message <2NDwIRFv7SxlFwgc@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> Tim
> Lamb wrote:
>
>> Indeed. Endless meaningless fractions of the alphabet are likely to be
>> the end of me though.
>
> Ultrasearch free is excellent and easy to use:
>
> https://www.jam-software.com/ultrasearch
>
The chances of someone running 2 similar programmes for a comparison
must be fairly remote but the often recommended free search programme is
Everything
- https://www.voidtools.com/

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wasbit

On 08/02/2024 14:34, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Tim Lamb wrote:
>
>> My current plan! is to have both m/cs running on my local network and
>> have the W7 stuff available to share such that I can re-save it to the
>> W11 box.
>>
>> My initial problem is finding my way around in W11 without having the
>> experience of the steps from W7.
>
> When handling file copying, and synchronisation between folders,
> a program that I have found very useful is FreeFileSynch
> https://www.freefilesync.org/
>
> You can configure it in a number of ways to do exactly what you
> want. I have used it in various different scenarios, both
> mirroring and updating. You can add filters, include/ exclude
> rules, decide which type of file comparison...
>

+1
Used FreeFileSync for years
Link is correct but earlier spelling is wrong - no 'h' at the end.

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wasbit

wasbit wrote:

>On 08/02/2024 14:34, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> Tim Lamb wrote:
>>
>>> My current plan! is to have both m/cs running on my local network and
>>> have the W7 stuff available to share such that I can re-save it to the
>>> W11 box.
>>>
>>> My initial problem is finding my way around in W11 without having the
>>> experience of the steps from W7.
>>
>> When handling file copying, and synchronisation between folders,
>> a program that I have found very useful is FreeFileSync
>> https://www.freefilesync.org/
>>
>> You can configure it in a number of ways to do exactly what you
>> want. I have used it in various different scenarios, both
>> mirroring and updating. You can add filters, include/ exclude
>> rules, decide which type of file comparison...
>>
>
>+1
>Used FreeFileSync for years
>Link is correct but earlier spelling is wrong - no 'h' at the end.

Oops! Corrected in the quote above.

Chris
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Plant amazing Acers.

On 09/02/2024 10:24, wasbit wrote:
> On 08/02/2024 14:34, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> Tim Lamb wrote:
>>
>>> My current plan! is to have both m/cs running on my local network and
>>> have the W7 stuff available to share such that I can re-save it to the
>>> W11 box.
>>>
>>> My initial problem is finding my way around in W11 without having the
>>> experience of the steps from W7.
>>
>> When handling file copying, and synchronisation between folders,
>> a program that I have found very useful is FreeFileSynch
>> https://www.freefilesync.org/
>>
>> You can configure it in a number of ways to do exactly what you
>> want. I have used it in various different scenarios, both
>> mirroring and updating. You can add filters, include/ exclude
>> rules, decide which type of file comparison...
>>
>
> +1
> Used FreeFileSync for years
> Link is correct but earlier spelling is wrong - no 'h' at the end.

+1
I use it as well. The Free version does everything I need.

On 09/02/2024 in message <uq4tfv$2irke$1@dont-email.me> wasbit wrote:

>On 08/02/2024 20:21, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>On 08/02/2024 in message <2NDwIRFv7SxlFwgc@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> Tim
>>Lamb wrote:
>>
>>>Indeed. Endless meaningless fractions of the alphabet are likely to be
>>>the end of me though.
>>
>>Ultrasearch free is excellent and easy to use:
>>
>>https://www.jam-software.com/ultrasearch
>>
>The chances of someone running 2 similar programmes for a comparison must
>be fairly remote but the often recommended free search programme is
>Everything
>- https://www.voidtools.com/

I use some other Jam Software tools so I am happier with what I know :-)

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You can't tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks

On 08/02/2024 19:49, Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message <uq2uqt$21feh$2@dont-email.me>, John Rumm
> <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> writes
>> On 08/02/2024 10:15, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>> In message <uq11k9$1keqo$1@dont-email.me>, Paul
>>> <nospam@needed.invalid>  writes
>>>> On 2/6/2024 3:37 PM, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>> In message <l2fgc8Ft9m1U1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns
>>>>> <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes
>>>>>> Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then I find that when right-clicking on a file do something such
>>>>>>> as  Copy,
>>>>>>> Paste, etc, all the options I make most use of have been moved to
>>>>>>> further options", and Duplicate appears to have gone altogether.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's definitely setting to get the whole of the old menu back,
>>>>>> also I think individual options to bring back e.g. move
>>>>>
>>>>> I see nobody wants to earn any virtual money:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> For the simple minded, say I have a stack of photos saved in a file
>>>>> titled *pictures* under a further heading of *my documents* with
>>>>> access allowed to *new user*.
>>>>> Can I use the W11 box to search for that file in the back up hard
>>>>> drive and then save it?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This sounds vaguely like "photo or file deduplication".
>>>> Or it could be a "sync or mirroring" function.
>>>> Or it could be an "incremental backup" function.
>>>>
>>>> The "tools" today, are not necessarily "primitives" you
>>>> can bolt together to make a useful thing.
>>>  Indeed! Try looking at with a simple *user* mindset:-(
>>>  My current plan! is to have both m/cs running on my local network
>>> and  have the W7 stuff available to share such that I can re-save it
>>> to the  W11 box.
>>>  My initial problem is finding my way around in W11 without having
>>> the  experience of the steps from W7.
>>
>> So do it the other way round, share the new folders (with write
>> access) on the Win11 box and use Win 7 to copy stuff into them :-)
>
> I'm still going to struggle up the learning curve and don't need access
> to old stuff very often. Keeping both boxes going seems easier than
> jumping in with both feet:-)

Generally if I need to move lots of data from an old machine to a new
one, I pull the drive out of the old one, mount it on a USB drive
adaptor and just plug it into the new one.

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In message <uq5k6q$2n1na$3@dont-email.me>, John Rumm
<see.my.signature@nowhere.null> writes
>On 08/02/2024 19:49, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> In message <uq2uqt$21feh$2@dont-email.me>, John Rumm
>><see.my.signature@nowhere.null> writes
>>> On 08/02/2024 10:15, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>> In message <uq11k9$1keqo$1@dont-email.me>, Paul
>>>><nospam@needed.invalid>  writes
>>>>> On 2/6/2024 3:37 PM, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>>> In message <l2fgc8Ft9m1U1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns
>>>>>><usenet@andyburns.uk> writes
>>>>>>> Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then I find that when right-clicking on a file do something
>>>>>>>>such as  Copy,
>>>>>>>> Paste, etc, all the options I make most use of have been moved to
>>>>>>>> further options", and Duplicate appears to have gone altogether.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's definitely setting to get the whole of the old menu
>>>>>>>back, also I think individual options to bring back e.g. move
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see nobody wants to earn any virtual money:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the simple minded, say I have a stack of photos saved in a
>>>>>>file titled *pictures* under a further heading of *my documents*
>>>>>>with access allowed to *new user*.
>>>>>> Can I use the W11 box to search for that file in the back up hard
>>>>>>drive and then save it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This sounds vaguely like "photo or file deduplication".
>>>>> Or it could be a "sync or mirroring" function.
>>>>> Or it could be an "incremental backup" function.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "tools" today, are not necessarily "primitives" you
>>>>> can bolt together to make a useful thing.
>>>>  Indeed! Try looking at with a simple *user* mindset:-(
>>>>  My current plan! is to have both m/cs running on my local network
>>>>and  have the W7 stuff available to share such that I can re-save it
>>>>to the  W11 box.
>>>>  My initial problem is finding my way around in W11 without having
>>>>the  experience of the steps from W7.
>>>
>>> So do it the other way round, share the new folders (with write
>>>access) on the Win11 box and use Win 7 to copy stuff into them :-)
>> I'm still going to struggle up the learning curve and don't need
>>access to old stuff very often. Keeping both boxes going seems easier
>>than jumping in with both feet:-)
>
>Generally if I need to move lots of data from an old machine to a new
>one, I pull the drive out of the old one, mount it on a USB drive
>adaptor and just plug it into the new one.

Ah well! I'm not that brave. Probably be a big cloud of dust if I opened
this one:-)

Not been back to try yet but the plan is to have both m/cs running on
the local net and arrange the access permissions so I can re-save files
in W11.
I have some instructions from
https://www.ubackup.com/windows-11/transfer-files-from windows...
>

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On 09/02/2024 16:34, John Rumm wrote:
>
> snip <
>
> Generally if I need to move lots of data from an old machine to a new
> one, I pull the drive out of the old one, mount it on a USB drive
> adaptor and just plug it into the new one.
>

Agreed.
I use a Startech Satdock25u

Powered by a 'Y' lead from two USB2 ports or a single USB3 port.
Hot swappable.
- https://www.startech.com/en-gb/hdd/satdock25u
Unfortunately now discontinued

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On 10/02/2024 09:37, wasbit wrote:
> On 09/02/2024 16:34, John Rumm wrote:
>>
>> snip <
> >
>> Generally if I need to move lots of data from an old machine to a new
>> one, I pull the drive out of the old one, mount it on a USB drive
>> adaptor and just plug it into the new one.
>>
>
> Agreed.
> I use a Startech Satdock25u
>
> Powered by a 'Y' lead from two USB2 ports or a single USB3 port.
> Hot swappable.
>  - https://www.startech.com/en-gb/hdd/satdock25u
> Unfortunately now discontinued

When in my office, I have a dual bay dock by Icy Box that has its own
PSU - so can run a pair of 3.5" HDDs if needed.

If I am on site cloning a SSD then I normally use a Sandberg one which I
find to be fast and reliable:

https://sandberg.world/en-gb/product/USB-3.0-to-SATA-Link

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