Gentlemen,

Anyone know of any studies they can point me to online on this
subject? Intelligence is a quality which most of us have always
assumed was inherited, and my print sources back this up. I'm just
interested in any departure from this in more recent studies. I'd also
like to know what the modern sources have to say about whether the
father's or the mother's intelligence dominates in their offspring,
should genetics indeed play a part.
TIA,

CD

On 02/03/2024 10:29, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> Anyone know of any studies they can point me to online on this
> subject? Intelligence is a quality which most of us have always
> assumed was inherited, and my print sources back this up. I'm just
> interested in any departure from this in more recent studies. I'd also
> like to know what the modern sources have to say about whether the
> father's or the mother's intelligence dominates in their offspring,
> should genetics indeed play a part.
> TIA,
>
No one really knows.

There are huge arguments over what constitutes intelligence anyway, and
the whole thing is a touchy woke infested subject.

Looking at people who score well in tests its clearly a mixture of
nature and nurture.

Ultimately it seems to test for the ability to think in abstract terms
and do fast pattern recognition on unkown data.

It's a talent that society needs in a few people, but clearly not in the
vast majority of people, or we wouldn't have so many terminally thick
babyMakers

My *guess* would be that it's a random gene combination that occurs when
both parents have it in a latent form

The incidence of super bright children in the families of super bright
parents is not marked.

All my university colleagues who have spawned, have above average kids,
but not markedly so.

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On Sat, 02 Mar 2024 10:29:36 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

>Gentlemen,
>
>Anyone know of any studies they can point me to online on this
>subject? Intelligence is a quality which most of us have always
>assumed was inherited, and my print sources back this up. I'm just
>interested in any departure from this in more recent studies. I'd also
>like to know what the modern sources have to say about whether the
>father's or the mother's intelligence dominates in their offspring,
>should genetics indeed play a part.
>TIA,
>
>CD

What's all this about? Are you attempting to blame your lack of
intelligence on your parents?

On 02/03/2024 11:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> All my university colleagues who have spawned, have above average kids,
> but not markedly so.

But is that inherited intelligence or just better parenting and the
parents realising that early learning and stimulation for their children
is important.

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On Sat, 02 Mar 2024 11:46:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> There are huge arguments over what constitutes intelligence anyway, and
> the whole thing is a touchy woke infested subject.

Not sure about arguments, but there is certainly no acceptable definition
of intelligence with doesn't have some sort of a priori qualifications.

And if you can't define something, it is a little unclear how you can
then define an "artificial" analogue of it.

And that's before you consider in an infinite universe, there may well be
exemplars of intelligence that we could miss completely.

See also: life.

On 02/03/2024 13:37, alan_m wrote:
> On 02/03/2024 11:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> All my university colleagues who have spawned, have above average
>> kids, but not markedly so.
>
> But is that inherited intelligence or just better parenting and the
> parents realising that early learning and stimulation for their children
> is important.
>

Well exactly. The inherited part - if it exists - is weak.
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they are poor.

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Am 02/03/2024 um 10:29 schrieb Cursitor Doom:
> Gentlemen,
>
> Anyone know of any studies they can point me to online on this
> subject? Intelligence is a quality which most of us have always
> assumed was inherited, and my print sources back this up. I'm just
> interested in any departure from this in more recent studies. I'd also
> like to know what the modern sources have to say about whether the
> father's or the mother's intelligence dominates in their offspring,
> should genetics indeed play a part.
> TIA,
>
> CD

If it is inheritable, it didn't work for you.

--
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Am 02/03/2024 um 12:20 schrieb R Souls:
> On Sat, 02 Mar 2024 10:29:36 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> Anyone know of any studies they can point me to online on this
>> subject? Intelligence is a quality which most of us have always
>> assumed was inherited, and my print sources back this up. I'm just
>> interested in any departure from this in more recent studies. I'd also
>> like to know what the modern sources have to say about whether the
>> father's or the mother's intelligence dominates in their offspring,
>> should genetics indeed play a part.
>> TIA,
>>
>> CD
>
> What's all this about? Are you attempting to blame your lack of
> intelligence on your parents?

He grew up in a council estate and never met his dad.

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On 3/2/2024 5:29 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> Anyone know of any studies they can point me to online on this
> subject? Intelligence is a quality which most of us have always
> assumed was inherited, and my print sources back this up. I'm just
> interested in any departure from this in more recent studies. I'd also
> like to know what the modern sources have to say about whether the
> father's or the mother's intelligence dominates in their offspring,
> should genetics indeed play a part.
> TIA,
>
> CD
>

"do melon headed parents have melon headed children"

Solve for X.

Then of course, we'll get into an argument whether
circumference is better than diameter, as a metric :-)

And there are people with mis-shapen heads. There was
one kid in my junior school, his head was shaped
like the creature in Alien. He would definitely
do better via the MAX(diameter) metric :-)

*******

https://www.science.org/content/article/closer-look-einsteins-brain

"One parameter that did not explain Einstein's mental prowess,
however, was the size of his brain: At 1230 grams, it fell at
the low end of average for modern humans."

Dammit. There goes my melon-theory.

Paul

On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 14:19:40 +0000, Ottavio Caruso
<ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Am 02/03/2024 um 12:20 schrieb R Souls:
>> On Sat, 02 Mar 2024 10:29:36 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gentlemen,
>>>
>>> Anyone know of any studies they can point me to online on this
>>> subject? Intelligence is a quality which most of us have always
>>> assumed was inherited, and my print sources back this up. I'm just
>>> interested in any departure from this in more recent studies. I'd also
>>> like to know what the modern sources have to say about whether the
>>> father's or the mother's intelligence dominates in their offspring,
>>> should genetics indeed play a part.
>>> TIA,
>>>
>>> CD
>>
>> What's all this about? Are you attempting to blame your lack of
>> intelligence on your parents?
>
>He grew up in a council estate and never met his dad.

Grew up? Hardly!

On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 13:46:53 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
<jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 02 Mar 2024 11:46:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> There are huge arguments over what constitutes intelligence anyway, and
>> the whole thing is a touchy woke infested subject.
>
>Not sure about arguments, but there is certainly no acceptable definition
>of intelligence with doesn't have some sort of a priori qualifications.
>
>And if you can't define something, it is a little unclear how you can
>then define an "artificial" analogue of it.
>
>And that's before you consider in an infinite universe, there may well be
>exemplars of intelligence that we could miss completely.
>
>See also: life.

Well, it's commonly stated that there's no definition for
intelligence. However, there *must* be one because we've all bumped
into various people in the course of our lives who we simply *know*
from a short interaction with them that they're exceptionally bright.
Likewise, we've all also met dullards - and there are a *lot* more
dullards than there are really bright individuals. So it must be
possible to arrive at a definition even if (inevitably) not everyone
will agree with it.

On Sat, 02 Mar 2024 14:42:55 +0000, Cursitor Doom wrote:

> On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 13:46:53 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
> <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 02 Mar 2024 11:46:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> There are huge arguments over what constitutes intelligence anyway,
>>> and the whole thing is a touchy woke infested subject.
>>
>>Not sure about arguments, but there is certainly no acceptable
>>definition of intelligence with doesn't have some sort of a priori
>>qualifications.
>>
>>And if you can't define something, it is a little unclear how you can
>>then define an "artificial" analogue of it.
>>
>>And that's before you consider in an infinite universe, there may well
>>be exemplars of intelligence that we could miss completely.
>>
>>See also: life.
>
> Well, it's commonly stated that there's no definition for intelligence.
> However, there *must* be one because we've all bumped into various
> people in the course of our lives who we simply *know* from a short
> interaction with them that they're exceptionally bright.

Define "bright". And that's where the problem starts.

> Likewise, we've all also met dullards - and there are a *lot* more
> dullards than there are really bright individuals. So it must be
> possible to arrive at a definition even if (inevitably) not everyone
> will agree with it.

See above.

I wasn't being casual when I mentioned life. The closest you will get to
"intelligence" is something like a "quality in organisms* that enables
them to engage with their environment to survive long enough to
reproduce". But even then does that apply at an individual, or a group
level ?

A very quick way to get someone to fuck off with their definition of
"intelligence" is to gain an admission that dogs (or cats) are
"intelligent" to a degree. And then note that all the ones I have tested
score 0 on an IQ test. So clearly no intelligence whatsoever. Either
that, or IQ tests aren't actually measuring *intelligence*. And if that
is the case, what is the point of them, and why would anyone pay for
one ?

*See what I mean ?

Am 02/03/2024 um 14:36 schrieb R Souls:
> On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 14:19:40 +0000, Ottavio Caruso
> <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Am 02/03/2024 um 12:20 schrieb R Souls:
>>> On Sat, 02 Mar 2024 10:29:36 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gentlemen,
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know of any studies they can point me to online on this
>>>> subject? Intelligence is a quality which most of us have always
>>>> assumed was inherited, and my print sources back this up. I'm just
>>>> interested in any departure from this in more recent studies. I'd also
>>>> like to know what the modern sources have to say about whether the
>>>> father's or the mother's intelligence dominates in their offspring,
>>>> should genetics indeed play a part.
>>>> TIA,
>>>>
>>>> CD
>>>
>>> What's all this about? Are you attempting to blame your lack of
>>> intelligence on your parents?
>>
>> He grew up in a council estate and never met his dad.
>
> Grew up? Hardly!

Well, I meant "got fatter".

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On 02/03/2024 14:18, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
> Am 02/03/2024 um 10:29 schrieb Cursitor Doom:
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> Anyone know of any studies they can point me to online on this
>> subject? Intelligence is a quality which most of us have always
>> assumed was inherited, and my print sources back this up. I'm just
>> interested in any departure from this in more recent studies. I'd also
>> like to know what the modern sources have to say about whether the
>> father's or the mother's intelligence dominates in their offspring,
>> should genetics indeed play a part.
>> TIA,
>>
>> CD
>
> If it is inheritable, it didn't work for you.

Were your parents exceptional bright?

On 02/03/2024 10:29, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> Anyone know of any studies they can point me to online on this
> subject? Intelligence is a quality which most of us have always
> assumed was inherited, and my print sources back this up. I'm just
> interested in any departure from this in more recent studies. I'd also
> like to know what the modern sources have to say about whether the
> father's or the mother's intelligence dominates in their offspring,
> should genetics indeed play a part.
> TIA,

Yes:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-intelligence-hereditary/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/children-intelligence-iq-mother-inherit-inheritance-genetics-genes-a7345596.html

The consensus is that you largely inherit intelligence from the mother
but that the father's genes can turn this on or off.

There is loads of evidence and many papers on the subject. The subject
is frowned upon by some as it may justify the field of eugenics. It is
well known that some cultures perform very badly in terms of social
class, and some like to blame that on poor housing and schools etc,
rather than the more obvious reasons.

alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote
> The Natural Philosopher wrote

>> All my university colleagues who have spawned,have above average kids,
>> but not markedly so.

> But is that inherited intelligence or just better parenting and the
> parents realising that early learning and stimulation for their children
> is important.

Plenty like Einstein turned out to be completely hopeless parents.

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote
> alan_m wrote
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote

>>> All my university colleagues who have spawned, have above average
>>> kids, but not markedly so.

>> But is that inherited intelligence or just better parenting and the
>> parents realising that early learning and stimulation for their
>> children is important.

> Well exactly. The inherited part - if it exists - is weak.

Not really. It is clear that we can breed for intelligence
with dogs, so why wouldn't that be true for humans ?

On Sun, 03 Mar 2024 01:18:00 +1100, Ottavio Caruso
<ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Am 02/03/2024 um 10:29 schrieb Cursitor Doom:
>> Gentlemen,
>> Anyone know of any studies they can point me to online on this
>> subject? Intelligence is a quality which most of us have always
>> assumed was inherited, and my print sources back this up. I'm just
>> interested in any departure from this in more recent studies. I'd also
>> like to know what the modern sources have to say about whether the
>> father's or the mother's intelligence dominates in their offspring,
>> should genetics indeed play a part.
>> TIA,
>> CD
>
> If it is inheritable, it didn't work for you.

His 'parents' may well have been not quite as stupid as him.

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On Sun, 03 Mar 2024 01:42:55 +1100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

> On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 13:46:53 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
> <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 02 Mar 2024 11:46:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> There are huge arguments over what constitutes intelligence anyway, and
>>> the whole thing is a touchy woke infested subject.
>>
>> Not sure about arguments, but there is certainly no acceptable
>> definition
>> of intelligence with doesn't have some sort of a priori qualifications.
>>
>> And if you can't define something, it is a little unclear how you can
>> then define an "artificial" analogue of it.
>>
>> And that's before you consider in an infinite universe, there may well
>> be
>> exemplars of intelligence that we could miss completely.
>>
>> See also: life.

> Well, it's commonly stated that there's no definition for intelligence.

No useful definition, anyway.

> However, there *must* be one

Nope.

> because we've all bumped
> into various people in the course of our lives who we simply *know*
> from a short interaction with them that they're exceptionally bright.

Bright isnt the same thing as intelligence.

> Likewise, we've all also met dullards - and there are a *lot* more
> dullards than there are really bright individuals. So it must be
> possible to arrive at a definition even if (inevitably) not everyone
> will agree with it.

But is that a useful definition ? Fraid not.

On Sun, 03 Mar 2024 04:15:42 +1100, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:

> On 02/03/2024 10:29, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> Gentlemen,
>> Anyone know of any studies they can point me to online on this
>> subject? Intelligence is a quality which most of us have always
>> assumed was inherited, and my print sources back this up. I'm just
>> interested in any departure from this in more recent studies. I'd also
>> like to know what the modern sources have to say about whether the
>> father's or the mother's intelligence dominates in their offspring,
>> should genetics indeed play a part.
>> TIA,
>
> Yes:
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-intelligence-hereditary/
>
> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/children-intelligence-iq-mother-inherit-inheritance-genetics-genes-a7345596.html
>
> The consensus is that you largely inherit intelligence from the mother

But there is no evidence to support that 'consensus'

And you don't see that with animal breeding, so there
is no reason to believe that it is true with humans.

> but that the father's genes can turn this on or off.

And none for that either.

> There is loads of evidence and many papers on the subject. The subject
> is frowned upon by some as it may justify the field of eugenics. It is
> well known that some cultures perform very badly in terms of social
> class, and some like to blame that on poor housing and schools etc,
> rather than the more obvious reasons.

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