Residents of our blocks of flats are considering buying a 10M zip up
tower for the repair of several gable walls.
Prices seem to range from 1,500 to 8000. That's a big difference.
We intend to buy the scaffolding and offer it to individual tradesmen
who will carry out pointing and similar repairs.
What aspects and costs do we need to consider?
--

Mike

Mike Halmarack wrote:

> Residents of our blocks of flats are considering buying a 10M zip up
> tower for the repair of several gable walls.
> Prices seem to range from 1,500 to 8000. That's a big difference.
> We intend to buy the scaffolding and offer it to individual tradesmen
> who will carry out pointing and similar repairs.
> What aspects and costs do we need to consider?

You need to consider how much liability the residents (management
company?) might incur

<https://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/safetytopics/scaffoldinginfo.htm>

On 06/03/2024 in message <l4ql2nFmtlrU1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
wrote:

>Mike Halmarack wrote:
>
>>Residents of our blocks of flats are considering buying a 10M zip up
>>tower for the repair of several gable walls.
>>Prices seem to range from 1,500 to 8000. That's a big difference.
>>We intend to buy the scaffolding and offer it to individual tradesmen
>>who will carry out pointing and similar repairs.
>>What aspects and costs do we need to consider?
>
>You need to consider how much liability the residents (management
>company?) might incur
>
><https://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/safetytopics/scaffoldinginfo.htm>

+1 to that.

You could be taking on horrendous liabilities, leave it to the contractor
to provide its own kit.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
George Washington was a British subject until well after his 40th birthday.
(Margaret Thatcher, speech at the White House 17 December 1979)

On 6 Mar 2024 at 08:17:16 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:

> On 06/03/2024 in message <l4ql2nFmtlrU1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
> wrote:
>
>> Mike Halmarack wrote:
>>
>>> Residents of our blocks of flats are considering buying a 10M zip up
>>> tower for the repair of several gable walls.
>>> Prices seem to range from 1,500 to 8000. That's a big difference.
>>> We intend to buy the scaffolding and offer it to individual tradesmen
>>> who will carry out pointing and similar repairs.
>>> What aspects and costs do we need to consider?
>>
>> You need to consider how much liability the residents (management
>> company?) might incur
>>
>> <https://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/safetytopics/scaffoldinginfo.htm>
>
> +1 to that.
>
> You could be taking on horrendous liabilities, leave it to the contractor
> to provide its own kit.

Scaffolding costs seem to have gone up hugely. Just had a 'preferential' quote
for some on the side of house (so, 8m long, height to eaves) - £1500. I paid
£400 for something similar 10 years ago.
--
Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

Warned off. Big thanks.

On 06/03/2024 09:09, RJH wrote:

> Scaffolding costs seem to have gone up hugely. Just had a 'preferential' quote
> for some on the side of house (so, 8m long, height to eaves) - £1500. I paid
> £400 for something similar 10 years ago.

Around 5 years ago I paid a similar price (£400) for scaffolding for the
front of my terraced house. My neighbour wanted the same around 6 weeks
later and couldn't find any local scaffold company who would quote
anywhere near the price I paid. The price probably depends a lot on how
much work they already have booked.

--
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On 06/03/2024 09:09, RJH wrote:
> On 6 Mar 2024 at 08:17:16 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
>
>> On 06/03/2024 in message <l4ql2nFmtlrU1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Halmarack wrote:
>>>
>>>> Residents of our blocks of flats are considering buying a 10M zip up
>>>> tower for the repair of several gable walls.
>>>> Prices seem to range from 1,500 to 8000. That's a big difference.
>>>> We intend to buy the scaffolding and offer it to individual tradesmen
>>>> who will carry out pointing and similar repairs.
>>>> What aspects and costs do we need to consider?
>>>
>>> You need to consider how much liability the residents (management
>>> company?) might incur
>>>
>>> <https://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/safetytopics/scaffoldinginfo.htm>
>>
>> +1 to that.
>>
>> You could be taking on horrendous liabilities, leave it to the contractor
>> to provide its own kit.
>
> Scaffolding costs seem to have gone up hugely. Just had a 'preferential' quote
> for some on the side of house (so, 8m long, height to eaves) - £1500. I paid
> £400 for something similar 10 years ago.

That sort of increase was mentioned by a decorator being interviewed
on last Fridays 'Wake up to money', so it seems that scaffolding
companies have taken the opportunity to increase their margins
massively.

Give them a couple of years and like the massive hike in 2nd hand
cars in 2022, there will follow the inevitable collapse in demand
(and 2nd hand car prices, other than 7+ YO cheapies are retreating
both here and across the pond).

On 06/03/2024 09:10, Mike Halmarack wrote:
>
> Warned off. Big thanks.

Unless you are prepareed to go the whole hog and do the
job yourself.

Andrew wrote:

> like the massive hike in 2nd hand
> cars in 2022, there will follow the inevitable collapse in demand

I gather Cazoo is giving-up actually selling cars from stock, turning
into an Autotrader equivalent advert site?

On 09/03/2024 16:45, Andy Burns wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> like the massive hike in 2nd hand
>> cars in 2022, there will follow the inevitable collapse in demand
>
> I gather Cazoo is giving-up actually selling cars from stock, turning
> into an Autotrader equivalent advert site?
>

Possibly the leasing model not working too well if the value of (second
hand) EVs is not holding up.
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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>
> > like the massive hike in 2nd hand
> > cars in 2022, there will follow the inevitable collapse in demand
>
> I gather Cazoo is giving-up actually selling cars from stock, turning
> into an Autotrader equivalent advert site?

AIUI it was tech-bubble business model: rather than operating shiny
dealership forecourts they'd sell online and operate a fleet of delivery
vans, perfectly timed for the pandemic. Cue lots of VC investment for
'disruption'. Interest rates go up, supply and demand for cars is all over
the place due to supply chain etc etc, and VCs want ROI that beats putting
it in the bank. Maybe they could deliver a >0.5% return but harder to
deliver a >5.25% return.

Also, I think they were limited in supply. Their main competitor Cinch is
part of the Constellation group that includes BCA auctions and We Buy Any
Car, so they have a ready source of stock (I think it's about half of UK car
resales go through Constellation). One main source for Cazoo was BCA who
also did the prepping for them, so they were buying from their competition -
and BCA look after their own best interests.

Theo