Still trying to waterproof my gable wall.
3 blocks of 2 and 3 story 1975 era brick built flats.
One resident has suggested UPVC cladding, another thinks
it won't be allowed by local planning for aesthetic reasons.
Is this likely?
--

Mike

On 06/03/2024 16:39, Mike Halmarack wrote:
>
> Still trying to waterproof my gable wall.
> 3 blocks of 2 and 3 story 1975 era brick built flats.
> One resident has suggested UPVC cladding, another thinks
> it won't be allowed by local planning for aesthetic reasons.
> Is this likely?

It's a fire hazard. It might be okay for a gable wall if there are no
windows in that wall, but it's quite likely to make the building harder
to insure.

You can get non-flammable cladding that looks very good, but I can't
remember the name, I'm afraid. It's probably longer lasting than UPVC, too.

GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
> On 06/03/2024 16:39, Mike Halmarack wrote:
> >
> > Still trying to waterproof my gable wall.
> > 3 blocks of 2 and 3 story 1975 era brick built flats.
> > One resident has suggested UPVC cladding, another thinks
> > it won't be allowed by local planning for aesthetic reasons.
> > Is this likely?
>
> It's a fire hazard. It might be okay for a gable wall if there are no
> windows in that wall, but it's quite likely to make the building harder
> to insure.
>
> You can get non-flammable cladding that looks very good, but I can't
> remember the name, I'm afraid. It's probably longer lasting than UPVC, too.

Maybe
https://www.cedral.world/en-gb/cladding/our-products/
?

On 06/03/2024 16:39, Mike Halmarack wrote:
>
> Still trying to waterproof my gable wall.
> 3 blocks of 2 and 3 story 1975 era brick built flats.
> One resident has suggested UPVC cladding, another thinks
> it won't be allowed by local planning for aesthetic reasons.
> Is this likely?
Give them a call and ask - IME the planners are generally helpful if
approached the right way ... but why do you want to waterproof it? Water
shouldn't be a problem unless there are bridges in the cavity - in which
case the "correct" answer is to fix the bridging.
A simpler solution: have you tried "painting" with a silicone sealer?

On 06/03/2024 17:44, Theo wrote:
> GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>> On 06/03/2024 16:39, Mike Halmarack wrote:
>>>
>>> Still trying to waterproof my gable wall.
>>> 3 blocks of 2 and 3 story 1975 era brick built flats.
>>> One resident has suggested UPVC cladding, another thinks
>>> it won't be allowed by local planning for aesthetic reasons.
>>> Is this likely?
>>
>> It's a fire hazard. It might be okay for a gable wall if there are no
>> windows in that wall, but it's quite likely to make the building harder
>> to insure.
>>
>> You can get non-flammable cladding that looks very good, but I can't
>> remember the name, I'm afraid. It's probably longer lasting than UPVC, too.
>
> Maybe
> https://www.cedral.world/en-gb/cladding/our-products/
> ?

Thanks! Fibre cement based. Some of that has been up a few years now
near us, and it looks like new.

On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 18:53:38 +0000, nothanks@aolbin.com wrote:

>On 06/03/2024 16:39, Mike Halmarack wrote:
>>
>> Still trying to waterproof my gable wall.
>> 3 blocks of 2 and 3 story 1975 era brick built flats.
>> One resident has suggested UPVC cladding, another thinks
>> it won't be allowed by local planning for aesthetic reasons.
>> Is this likely?
>Give them a call and ask - IME the planners are generally helpful if
>approached the right way ... but why do you want to waterproof it? Water
>shouldn't be a problem unless there are bridges in the cavity - in which
>case the "correct" answer is to fix the bridging.
>A simpler solution: have you tried "painting" with a silicone sealer?

It's my fondest hope when the pointing is done. The committee's feet
are cooling already though at the 8K quotes for pointing.
I though originally, that if we bought our own tower and got a jobber
in to do the pointing we might be able to reduce the cost. But that
was wisely advised against in an earlier post.
--

Mike

On 06/03/2024 16:39, Mike Halmarack wrote:
>
> Still trying to waterproof my gable wall.
> 3 blocks of 2 and 3 story 1975 era brick built flats.
> One resident has suggested UPVC cladding, another thinks
> it won't be allowed by local planning for aesthetic reasons.
> Is this likely?

You might as well go the whole hog and
get the gable end insulated with external
wall insulation, then overclad or over-
rendered. if it is a cavity wall then the
cavity will also need to be filled to stop
cold air leakage on the warm side of the
insulated external leaf.

The scaffolding cost will be the same.

On 07/03/2024 10:53, Mike Halmarack wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 18:53:38 +0000, nothanks@aolbin.com wrote:
>
>> On 06/03/2024 16:39, Mike Halmarack wrote:
>>>
>>> Still trying to waterproof my gable wall.
>>> 3 blocks of 2 and 3 story 1975 era brick built flats.
>>> One resident has suggested UPVC cladding, another thinks
>>> it won't be allowed by local planning for aesthetic reasons.
>>> Is this likely?
>> Give them a call and ask - IME the planners are generally helpful if
>> approached the right way ... but why do you want to waterproof it? Water
>> shouldn't be a problem unless there are bridges in the cavity - in which
>> case the "correct" answer is to fix the bridging.
>> A simpler solution: have you tried "painting" with a silicone sealer?
>
> It's my fondest hope when the pointing is done. The committee's feet
> are cooling already though at the 8K quotes for pointing.
> I though originally, that if we bought our own tower and got a jobber
> in to do the pointing we might be able to reduce the cost. But that
> was wisely advised against in an earlier post.

Why bother with re-pointing at all ?. Get a quote for
external wall insulation. This will create a new
rain skin and save you money (eventually).

On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 21:05:01 +0000, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
wrote:

>On 06/03/2024 16:39, Mike Halmarack wrote:
>>
>> Still trying to waterproof my gable wall.
>> 3 blocks of 2 and 3 story 1975 era brick built flats.
>> One resident has suggested UPVC cladding, another thinks
>> it won't be allowed by local planning for aesthetic reasons.
>> Is this likely?
>
>You might as well go the whole hog and
>get the gable end insulated with external
>wall insulation, then overclad or over-
>rendered. if it is a cavity wall then the
>cavity will also need to be filled to stop
>cold air leakage on the warm side of the
>insulated external leaf.
>
>The scaffolding cost will be the same.

Sounds wonderfully ideal.
Just a matter of getting 27 households to agree.
--

Mike

On 08/03/2024 08:43, Mike Halmarack wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 21:05:01 +0000, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 06/03/2024 16:39, Mike Halmarack wrote:
>>>
>>> Still trying to waterproof my gable wall.
>>> 3 blocks of 2 and 3 story 1975 era brick built flats.
>>> One resident has suggested UPVC cladding, another thinks
>>> it won't be allowed by local planning for aesthetic reasons.
>>> Is this likely?
>>
>> You might as well go the whole hog and
>> get the gable end insulated with external
>> wall insulation, then overclad or over-
>> rendered. if it is a cavity wall then the
>> cavity will also need to be filled to stop
>> cold air leakage on the warm side of the
>> insulated external leaf.
>>
>> The scaffolding cost will be the same.
>
> Sounds wonderfully ideal.
> Just a matter of getting 27 households to agree.

The main beneficiaries are those flats that have this gable wall
as one of their walls, so these people should share all the extra cost
of external insulation, while all 27 flats should pay an equal
share of the scaffolding and final external render coat, since the
latter is taking the place of the need to repoint the whole thing.

What grounds for objection could anyone raise ?. except for the
additional insulation, the work HAS to be done.

The cost of externally insulating the *entire* building would be
recovered (and some) by the increase in value and saleability
of the individual properties.

I see more and more detached 50's, 60's and 70's houses having
external wall insulation applied even though these houses have
wall cavities.