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 by: Cursitor Doom - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 10:10 UTC

Gut health. *So* important!

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/alteration-gut-microbiota-affects-severity-and-complications-covid-19

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 by: Colin Bignell - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 10:47 UTC

On 07/03/2024 10:10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> Gut health. *So* important!
>
> https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/alteration-gut-microbiota-affects-severity-and-complications-covid-19

A study in The Lancet reported no adverse effects from a man getting 217
Covid jabs in 29 months:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(24)00134-8/fulltext#sec1

--
Colin Bignell

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On a sunny day (Thu, 7 Mar 2024 10:47:50 +0000) it happened Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote in
<ns6cnUVBU4EWB3T4nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

>On 07/03/2024 10:10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> Gut health. *So* important!
>>
>> https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/alteration-gut-microbiota-affects-severity-and-complications-covid-19
>
>A study in The Lancet reported no adverse effects from a man getting 217
>Covid jabs in 29 months:
>
>https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(24)00134-8/fulltext#sec1
>
>--
>Colin Bignell

I never had a COVID shot and have no adverse effects
Never had a cold in my life, seem to have anti-bodies against it and some other things too,
like TBC, tested positive with an arm scratch test in primary school, got xrays 2 or 3 times,
nothing found, Now I am almost 80 ...

Recently was reading that they found a link between COVID shots and long-term COVID.
Many have died from blood cloth from the COVID shots.
Many sporters got heart trouble, some died on the playing field.

Its the evil US its Biological Warfare Department designed COVID (Faulty or something was the bad guys name),
and the US Medical Industrial Complex cashed in on their un-tested medicine,
hiding info about how dangerous those vaccines were.
I knew enough when in an UK test on the hospital staff 2 got sick from 10, and one died later from it.
Hopefully US precedent byethen dies and goes to hell (because of him supporting irael's genocide),
because if he goes to heaven it will be all wars there.
Clearly his COVID shots did not improve his memory or ethics,

Yes gut biome is important.
Am careful, I do not eat humans, way too fat.
When WW3 starts we have to re-evaluate that.

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 by: Bill Sloman - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 13:52 UTC

On 7/03/2024 10:42 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Thu, 7 Mar 2024 10:47:50 +0000) it happened Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote in <ns6cnUVBU4EWB3T4nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>> On 07/03/2024 10:10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

<snip>

> I never had a COVID shot and have no adverse effects
> Never had a cold in my life, seem to have anti-bodies against it and some other things too,
> like TBC, tested positive with an arm scratch test in primary school, got x-rays 2 or 3 times,
> nothing found, Now I am almost 80 ...
>
> Recently was reading that they found a link between COVID shots and long-term COVID.

But you can't post a link to it.

> Many have died from blood cloth from the COVID shots.

A few. Rather fewer than would have died if they hadn't had that
particular COVID shot - Astra Zeneca - and not been protected against
Covid-19 by it.

> Many sporters got heart trouble, some died on the playing field.

They've been doing that since long before Covid-19 was a problem - there
are some congenital heart defects that only show up in young adults

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_cardiac_death_of_athletes

> Its the evil US its Biological Warfare Department designed COVID (Faulty or something was the bad guys name),
> and the US Medical Industrial Complex cashed in on their un-tested medicine,
> hiding info about how dangerous those vaccines were.

Total nonsense.

> I knew enough when in an UK test on the hospital staff 2 got sick from 10, and one died later from it.
> Hopefully US president Biden dies and goes to hell (because of him supporting Israel's genocide),

He doesn't. He hasn't been able to stop them killing off large numbers
of Palestinian kids, but he's doing what he can to discourage them.

> because if he goes to heaven it will be all wars there.
> Clearly his COVID shots did not improve his memory or ethics.

They don't have any effect on either of them.

> Yes gut biome is important.

Even Zero Hedge thinks so, even if their article is irrelevant twaddle.

> Am careful, I do not eat humans, way too fat.
> When WW3 starts we have to re-evaluate that.

Those of us that survive it. Eighty-year olds won't be numerous amongst
the survivors.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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 by: Cursitor Doom - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 14:26 UTC

On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 11:42:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

>On a sunny day (Thu, 7 Mar 2024 10:47:50 +0000) it happened Colin Bignell
><cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote in
><ns6cnUVBU4EWB3T4nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>
>>On 07/03/2024 10:10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> Gut health. *So* important!
>>>
>>> https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/alteration-gut-microbiota-affects-severity-and-complications-covid-19
>>
>>A study in The Lancet reported no adverse effects from a man getting 217
>>Covid jabs in 29 months:
>>
>>https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(24)00134-8/fulltext#sec1
>>
>>--
>>Colin Bignell
>
>I never had a COVID shot and have no adverse effects
>Never had a cold in my life, seem to have anti-bodies against it and some other things too,
>like TBC, tested positive with an arm scratch test in primary school, got xrays 2 or 3 times,
>nothing found, Now I am almost 80 ...
>
>Recently was reading that they found a link between COVID shots and long-term COVID.
>Many have died from blood cloth from the COVID shots.
>Many sporters got heart trouble, some died on the playing field.
>
>Its the evil US its Biological Warfare Department designed COVID (Faulty or something was the bad guys name),

Fauci. That's his name. Remember it.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/covid-engineered-researchers-chinese-lab-wuhan

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 by: Bill Sloman - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 15:05 UTC

On 8/03/2024 1:26 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 11:42:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Thu, 7 Mar 2024 10:47:50 +0000) it happened Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote i <ns6cnUVBU4EWB3T4nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>> On 07/03/2024 10:10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

<snip>

>> Its the evil US its Biological Warfare Department designed COVID (Faulty or something was the bad guys name),
>
> Fauci. That's his name. Remember it.
>
> https://www.theblaze.com/news/covid-engineered-researchers-chinese-lab-wuhan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaze_Media
It is designed to appeal to right-wing half-wits like Cursitor Doom, who
likes his conspiracy theories to be thoroughly absurd.

There's not a shred of evidence that Covid-19 was any kind of
laboratory-developed virus, and virus labs are actually pretty good at
keeping dangerous viruses safely locked up. It's a stupid idea, but
Cursitor Doom and Jan Panteltje like it.

The wet market in Wuhan is a much more likely source - lots more
potentially infected bush meat, exposed to many more people.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 15:11 UTC

On 07/03/2024 15:05, Bill Sloman wrote:
> There's not a shred of evidence that Covid-19 was any kind of
> laboratory-developed virus, and virus labs are actually pretty good at
> keeping dangerous viruses safely locked up. It's a stupid idea, but
> Cursitor Doom and Jan Panteltje like it.

Actually its pretty much the main stream consensus that the virus was
cooked up in a lab, and escaped.

--
WOKE is an acronym... Without Originality, Knowledge or Education.

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 by: GB - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 15:15 UTC

On 07/03/2024 15:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/03/2024 15:05, Bill Sloman wrote:
>> There's not a shred of evidence that Covid-19 was any kind of
>> laboratory-developed virus, and virus labs are actually pretty good at
>> keeping dangerous viruses safely locked up. It's a stupid idea, but
>> Cursitor Doom and Jan Panteltje like it.
>
> Actually its pretty much the main stream  consensus that the virus was
> cooked up in a lab, and escaped.
>

Is that the consensus amongst people who really know what they are
talking about?

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 by: John Larkin - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 15:22 UTC

On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 14:26:40 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 11:42:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Thu, 7 Mar 2024 10:47:50 +0000) it happened Colin Bignell
>><cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote in
>><ns6cnUVBU4EWB3T4nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>
>>>On 07/03/2024 10:10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> Gut health. *So* important!
>>>>
>>>> https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/alteration-gut-microbiota-affects-severity-and-complications-covid-19
>>>
>>>A study in The Lancet reported no adverse effects from a man getting 217
>>>Covid jabs in 29 months:
>>>
>>>https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(24)00134-8/fulltext#sec1
>>>
>>>--
>>>Colin Bignell
>>
>>I never had a COVID shot and have no adverse effects
>>Never had a cold in my life, seem to have anti-bodies against it and some other things too,
>>like TBC, tested positive with an arm scratch test in primary school, got xrays 2 or 3 times,
>>nothing found, Now I am almost 80 ...
>>
>>Recently was reading that they found a link between COVID shots and long-term COVID.
>>Many have died from blood cloth from the COVID shots.
>>Many sporters got heart trouble, some died on the playing field.
>>
>>Its the evil US its Biological Warfare Department designed COVID (Faulty or something was the bad guys name),
>
>Fauci. That's his name. Remember it.
>
>https://www.theblaze.com/news/covid-engineered-researchers-chinese-lab-wuhan
>

Just the geographic "coincidence" is overwhelming, the virus origin
being within walking distance of the lab. The timing is telling too.

Megadeaths are not something that someone wants to be remembered for.

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 by: John Larkin - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 15:28 UTC

On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 15:15:10 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
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>On 07/03/2024 15:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/03/2024 15:05, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>> There's not a shred of evidence that Covid-19 was any kind of
>>> laboratory-developed virus, and virus labs are actually pretty good at
>>> keeping dangerous viruses safely locked up. It's a stupid idea, but
>>> Cursitor Doom and Jan Panteltje like it.
>>
>> Actually its pretty much the main stream  consensus that the virus was
>> cooked up in a lab, and escaped.
>>
>
>Is that the consensus amongst people who really know what they are
>talking about?
>

The anti-lab theory is promoted by people who very much don't want the
lab origin to be the cause.

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 by: Colin Bignell - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 16:30 UTC

On 07/03/2024 11:42, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Thu, 7 Mar 2024 10:47:50 +0000) it happened Colin Bignell
> <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote in
> <ns6cnUVBU4EWB3T4nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>
>> On 07/03/2024 10:10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> Gut health. *So* important!
>>>
>>> https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/alteration-gut-microbiota-affects-severity-and-complications-covid-19
>>
>> A study in The Lancet reported no adverse effects from a man getting 217
>> Covid jabs in 29 months:
>>
>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(24)00134-8/fulltext#sec1
>>
>> --
>> Colin Bignell
>
> I never had a COVID shot and have no adverse effects
> Never had a cold in my life, seem to have anti-bodies against it and some other things too,
> like TBC, tested positive with an arm scratch test in primary school, got xrays 2 or 3 times,
> nothing found, Now I am almost 80 ...

That is the result of early exposure to TB, as I had. It modifies the
T-cells and makes them more effective at fighting infections. You are
carrying TB, but, so long as your body defences remain strong, you won't
develop it.

> Recently was reading that they found a link between COVID shots and long-term COVID.
> Many have died from blood cloth from the COVID shots.
> Many sporters got heart trouble, some died on the playing field...

Every medication carries risks. However, with the Covid vaccination, it
is well documented that the benefits greatly outweigh the risks.

<conspiracy theory snipped>

--
Colin Bignell

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 by: Martin Brown - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 16:39 UTC

On 07/03/2024 15:15, GB wrote:
> On 07/03/2024 15:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/03/2024 15:05, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>> There's not a shred of evidence that Covid-19 was any kind of
>>> laboratory-developed virus, and virus labs are actually pretty good
>>> at keeping dangerous viruses safely locked up. It's a stupid idea,
>>> but Cursitor Doom and Jan Panteltje like it.
>>
>> Actually its pretty much the main stream  consensus that the virus was
>> cooked up in a lab, and escaped.
>
> Is that the consensus amongst people who really know what they are
> talking about?

No. Mainstream is that we will probably never know but that there were
no telltale signs of it being spliced together from other known viruses.
It has been sequenced and examined very widely which was what made the
mRNA vaccines possible once an invariant target protein was identified.

--
Martin Brown

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 by: Cursitor Doom - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 16:56 UTC

On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:22:18 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 14:26:40 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 11:42:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On a sunny day (Thu, 7 Mar 2024 10:47:50 +0000) it happened Colin Bignell
>>><cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote in
>>><ns6cnUVBU4EWB3T4nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>
>>>>On 07/03/2024 10:10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>> Gut health. *So* important!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/alteration-gut-microbiota-affects-severity-and-complications-covid-19
>>>>
>>>>A study in The Lancet reported no adverse effects from a man getting 217
>>>>Covid jabs in 29 months:
>>>>
>>>>https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(24)00134-8/fulltext#sec1
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Colin Bignell
>>>
>>>I never had a COVID shot and have no adverse effects
>>>Never had a cold in my life, seem to have anti-bodies against it and some other things too,
>>>like TBC, tested positive with an arm scratch test in primary school, got xrays 2 or 3 times,
>>>nothing found, Now I am almost 80 ...
>>>
>>>Recently was reading that they found a link between COVID shots and long-term COVID.
>>>Many have died from blood cloth from the COVID shots.
>>>Many sporters got heart trouble, some died on the playing field.
>>>
>>>Its the evil US its Biological Warfare Department designed COVID (Faulty or something was the bad guys name),
>>
>>Fauci. That's his name. Remember it.
>>
>>https://www.theblaze.com/news/covid-engineered-researchers-chinese-lab-wuhan
>>
>
>Just the geographic "coincidence" is overwhelming, the virus origin
>being within walking distance of the lab. The timing is telling too.

Not to mention that blatant obstruction of the lab and the market by
the Chinese authorities when the WHO came to investigate.
It was a half-baked bio-weapon and we'd be fools not to take
appropriate steps now we know what the Chinese are up to.

>Megadeaths are not something that someone wants to be remembered for.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 17:48 UTC

On 07/03/2024 15:15, GB wrote:
> On 07/03/2024 15:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/03/2024 15:05, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>> There's not a shred of evidence that Covid-19 was any kind of
>>> laboratory-developed virus, and virus labs are actually pretty good
>>> at keeping dangerous viruses safely locked up. It's a stupid idea,
>>> but Cursitor Doom and Jan Panteltje like it.
>>
>> Actually its pretty much the main stream  consensus that the virus was
>> cooked up in a lab, and escaped.
>>
>
> Is that the consensus amongst people who really know what they are
> talking about?
>
>
As far as I know, yes.

https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wrap-up-facts-science-evidence-point-to-a-wuhan-lab-leak%EF%BF%BC/

is a fairly good overview. The problem is that accusing China of being
uber sloppy was not politically *convenient*. So the default position
initially was a 'we just dont know'

Apparently now, we know a lot more...

--
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 17:49 UTC

On 07/03/2024 16:39, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 07/03/2024 15:15, GB wrote:
>> On 07/03/2024 15:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 07/03/2024 15:05, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>> There's not a shred of evidence that Covid-19 was any kind of
>>>> laboratory-developed virus, and virus labs are actually pretty good
>>>> at keeping dangerous viruses safely locked up. It's a stupid idea,
>>>> but Cursitor Doom and Jan Panteltje like it.
>>>
>>> Actually its pretty much the main stream  consensus that the virus
>>> was cooked up in a lab, and escaped.
>>
>> Is that the consensus amongst people who really know what they are
>> talking about?
>
> No. Mainstream is that we will probably never know but that there were
> no telltale signs of it being spliced together from other known viruses.
> It has been sequenced and examined very widely which was what made the
> mRNA vaccines possible once an invariant target protein was identified.
>
I think that in fact there *were* telltale signs

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 19:06 UTC

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 04:48:04 +1100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 07/03/2024 15:15, GB wrote:
>> On 07/03/2024 15:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 07/03/2024 15:05, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>> There's not a shred of evidence that Covid-19 was any kind of
>>>> laboratory-developed virus, and virus labs are actually pretty good
>>>> at keeping dangerous viruses safely locked up. It's a stupid idea,
>>>> but Cursitor Doom and Jan Panteltje like it.
>>>
>>> Actually its pretty much the main stream consensus that the virus was
>>> cooked up in a lab, and escaped.
>>>
>> Is that the consensus amongst people who really know what they are
>> talking about?

Nope.

> As far as I know, yes.

Fraid not.

> https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wrap-up-facts-science-evidence-point-to-a-wuhan-lab-leak%EF%BF%BC/
>
> is a fairly good overview. The problem is that accusing China of being
> uber sloppy was not politically *convenient*. So the default position
> initially was a 'we just dont know'

> Apparently now, we know a lot more...

And know that what was done experimentally is genetically
nothing like covid.

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 19:07 UTC

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 04:49:12 +1100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 07/03/2024 16:39, Martin Brown wrote:
>> On 07/03/2024 15:15, GB wrote:
>>> On 07/03/2024 15:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 07/03/2024 15:05, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>> There's not a shred of evidence that Covid-19 was any kind of
>>>>> laboratory-developed virus, and virus labs are actually pretty good
>>>>> at keeping dangerous viruses safely locked up. It's a stupid idea,
>>>>> but Cursitor Doom and Jan Panteltje like it.
>>>>
>>>> Actually its pretty much the main stream consensus that the virus
>>>> was cooked up in a lab, and escaped.
>>>
>>> Is that the consensus amongst people who really know what they are
>>> talking about?
>> No. Mainstream is that we will probably never know but that there were
>> no telltale signs of it being spliced together from other known
>> viruses. It has been sequenced and examined very widely which was what
>> made the mRNA vaccines possible once an invariant target protein was
>> identified.
>>
> I think that in fact there *were* telltale signs

Nope.

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 by: Cursitor Doom - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 19:08 UTC

On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 17:48:04 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 07/03/2024 15:15, GB wrote:
>> On 07/03/2024 15:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 07/03/2024 15:05, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>> There's not a shred of evidence that Covid-19 was any kind of
>>>> laboratory-developed virus, and virus labs are actually pretty good
>>>> at keeping dangerous viruses safely locked up. It's a stupid idea,
>>>> but Cursitor Doom and Jan Panteltje like it.
>>>
>>> Actually its pretty much the main stream  consensus that the virus was
>>> cooked up in a lab, and escaped.
>>>
>>
>> Is that the consensus amongst people who really know what they are
>> talking about?
>>
>>
>As far as I know, yes.
>
>https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wrap-up-facts-science-evidence-point-to-a-wuhan-lab-leak%EF%BF%BC/
>
>is a fairly good overview. The problem is that accusing China of being
>uber sloppy was not politically *convenient*. So the default position
>initially was a 'we just dont know'
>
>Apparently now, we know a lot more...

If they'd made it known that millions of people had died as a result
of a release of a Chinese bio-weapon, there would have been an
immediate clamor for a massive military response. Saying 'we don't
know' gives the West a bit of valuable breathing space to decide how
to deal with this emerging threat without triggering WW3. But I do
hope China will get it's come-uppance one fine day. They so fucking
deserve it.

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 by: Joe - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 19:23 UTC

On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 19:08:59 +0000
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 17:48:04 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On 07/03/2024 15:15, GB wrote:
> >> On 07/03/2024 15:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >>> On 07/03/2024 15:05, Bill Sloman wrote:
> >>>> There's not a shred of evidence that Covid-19 was any kind of
> >>>> laboratory-developed virus, and virus labs are actually pretty
> >>>> good at keeping dangerous viruses safely locked up. It's a
> >>>> stupid idea, but Cursitor Doom and Jan Panteltje like it.
> >>>
> >>> Actually its pretty much the main stream  consensus that the
> >>> virus was cooked up in a lab, and escaped.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Is that the consensus amongst people who really know what they are
> >> talking about?
> >>
> >>
> >As far as I know, yes.
> >
> >https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wrap-up-facts-science-evidence-point-to-a-wuhan-lab-leak%EF%BF%BC/
> >
> >is a fairly good overview. The problem is that accusing China of
> >being uber sloppy was not politically *convenient*. So the default
> >position initially was a 'we just dont know'
> >
> >Apparently now, we know a lot more...
>
> If they'd made it known that millions of people had died as a result
> of a release of a Chinese bio-weapon, there would have been an
> immediate clamor for a massive military response. Saying 'we don't
> know' gives the West a bit of valuable breathing space to decide how
> to deal with this emerging threat without triggering WW3. But I do
> hope China will get it's come-uppance one fine day. They so fucking
> deserve it.

It wasn't just China...

https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/nih-admits-us-funded-gain-of-function-in-wuhan-despite-faucis-repeated-denials/

https://news.yahoo.com/nih-admits-funding-gain-function-125103852.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACPGaZ5dUJFM3q5AfcrA5yai45fdGG3fYRStdwAE3MyFcIuuVbjhdODrC9uQ1A6LkPTUjWl_y8le4SgMvvACZ5x16IR1_pOPgESFBYUgzj4cwPwtZk-heYt6_aG9uwn6DGb2nG0XNAx5OppmF3ArrFkja-d9TWqB8_U1lS1BLWYu

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 by: Spike - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 19:43 UTC

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
> On 8/03/2024 1:26 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 11:42:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Thu, 7 Mar 2024 10:47:50 +0000) it happened Colin Bignell
>>> <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote i <ns6cnUVBU4EWB3T4nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>> On 07/03/2024 10:10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Its the evil US its Biological Warfare Department designed COVID
>>> (Faulty or something was the bad guys name),
>>
>> Fauci. That's his name. Remember it.
>>
>> https://www.theblaze.com/news/covid-engineered-researchers-chinese-lab-wuhan
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaze_Media
> It is designed to appeal to right-wing half-wits like Cursitor Doom, who
> likes his conspiracy theories to be thoroughly absurd.
>
> There's not a shred of evidence that Covid-19 was any kind of
> laboratory-developed virus, and virus labs are actually pretty good at
> keeping dangerous viruses safely locked up. It's a stupid idea, but
> Cursitor Doom and Jan Panteltje like it.
>
> The wet market in Wuhan is a much more likely source - lots more
> potentially infected bush meat, exposed to many more people.

The WHO carried out 50000 tests in China on wild animals, and never found
anything related to COVID.

The WHV is alleged to have a second building further along the same street
as the one we know about. It doesn’t have any nameplates, and the entrance
is at the back. No foreigners have been known to visit it.

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 20:14 UTC

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 06:43:41 +1100, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:

> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>> On 8/03/2024 1:26 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 11:42:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On a sunny day (Thu, 7 Mar 2024 10:47:50 +0000) it happened Colin
>>>> Bignell
>>>> <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote i
>>>> <ns6cnUVBU4EWB3T4nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>>> On 07/03/2024 10:10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> Its the evil US its Biological Warfare Department designed COVID
>>>> (Faulty or something was the bad guys name),
>>>
>>> Fauci. That's his name. Remember it.
>>>
>>> https://www.theblaze.com/news/covid-engineered-researchers-chinese-lab-wuhan
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaze_Media
>> It is designed to appeal to right-wing half-wits like Cursitor Doom, who
>> likes his conspiracy theories to be thoroughly absurd.
>>
>> There's not a shred of evidence that Covid-19 was any kind of
>> laboratory-developed virus, and virus labs are actually pretty good at
>> keeping dangerous viruses safely locked up. It's a stupid idea, but
>> Cursitor Doom and Jan Panteltje like it.
>>
>> The wet market in Wuhan is a much more likely source - lots more
>> potentially infected bush meat, exposed to many more people.
>
> The WHO carried out 50000 tests in China on wild animals, and never found
> anything related to COVID.

Yet. It took years to find the source of SARS in animals.

> The WHV is alleged to have a second building further along the same
> street
> as the one we know about. It doesn’t have any nameplates, and the
> entrance
> is at the back. No foreigners have been known to visit it.

We do know that the dna of what was being used for the gain of function
tests is nothing like covid.

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 by: Jeroen Belleman - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 22:45 UTC

On 3/7/24 18:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/03/2024 16:39, Martin Brown wrote:
>> On 07/03/2024 15:15, GB wrote:
>>> On 07/03/2024 15:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 07/03/2024 15:05, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>> There's not a shred of evidence that Covid-19 was any kind of
>>>>> laboratory-developed virus, and virus labs are actually pretty good
>>>>> at keeping dangerous viruses safely locked up. It's a stupid idea,
>>>>> but Cursitor Doom and Jan Panteltje like it.
>>>>
>>>> Actually its pretty much the main stream  consensus that the virus
>>>> was cooked up in a lab, and escaped.
>>>
>>> Is that the consensus amongst people who really know what they are
>>> talking about?
>>
>> No. Mainstream is that we will probably never know but that there were
>> no telltale signs of it being spliced together from other known
>> viruses. It has been sequenced and examined very widely which was what
>> made the mRNA vaccines possible once an invariant target protein was
>> identified.
>>
> I think that in fact there *were* telltale signs

What's the point of making that assertion without anything
solid to back it up? Come on, spill the beans or shut up!

Jeroen Belleman

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