On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 06:05:09 +1100, nib <news@caffnib.co.uk> wrote:

> On 2024-03-05 18:19, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 03:45:03 +1100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <us7h02$3rk8q$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Tricky Dicky <tricky.dicky@sky.com> wrote:
>>>> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Gentlemen,
>>>> >
>>>> > Every time I send a watch off for servicing, I always check there's
>>>> > been no funny business taking place whilst it's been away. You hear
>>>> > all sorts of horror stories about movements being swapped-out and
>>>> > replaced with Chinese or Russian crap. Anyway, for some reason, the
>>>> > back of this one just did NOT want to come off. It should have been
>>>> > simple. They do make a special tool for removing it, but the proper
>>>> > one is *very* expensive and there are a lot of cheap and nasty
>>>> copies
>>>> > out there that will damage the case in the process. I tried the old
>>>> > rubber ball dodge to unscrew it, but it was far too tightly on
>>>> there.
>>>> > Then I found another trick on Youtube. I was very doubtful, but it
>>>> > worked! Who'd have thought Superglue was actually any good for
>>>> > anything?
>>>> >
>>>> > https://disk.yandex.com/i/ZrQowgcVgDuO4A
>>>> >
>>>> > Now I just have to hope acetone will get the nut off, because it's
>>>> > going to be *very* uncomfortable to wear the damn thing otherwise.
>>>> ;-)
>>>> >
>>>
>>>> Spent my entire working life living by the clock, took it off the day
>>>> I
>>>> retired and have never worn it since.
>>>
>>> you obviously don't need to catch a train or bus.
>> Makes more sense to use the phone now.

> Ah! You just carry a clock instead of a watch!

I carry the phone anyway, no point in adding a watch.

On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 06:30:04 +1100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:

> In article <op.2j6ai6a6byq249@pvr2.lan>,
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 03:45:03 +1100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>
>> > In article <us7h02$3rk8q$1@dont-email.me>,
>> > Tricky Dicky <tricky.dicky@sky.com> wrote:
>> >> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Gentlemen,
>> >> >
>> >> > Every time I send a watch off for servicing, I always check there's
>> >> > been no funny business taking place whilst it's been away. You hear
>> >> > all sorts of horror stories about movements being swapped-out and
>> >> > replaced with Chinese or Russian crap. Anyway, for some reason, the
>> >> > back of this one just did NOT want to come off. It should have been
>> >> > simple. They do make a special tool for removing it, but the proper
>> >> > one is *very* expensive and there are a lot of cheap and nasty
>> copies
>> >> > out there that will damage the case in the process. I tried the old
>> >> > rubber ball dodge to unscrew it, but it was far too tightly on
>> there.
>> >> > Then I found another trick on Youtube. I was very doubtful, but it
>> >> > worked! Who'd have thought Superglue was actually any good for
>> >> > anything?
>> >> >
>> >> > https://disk.yandex.com/i/ZrQowgcVgDuO4A
>> >> >
>> >> > Now I just have to hope acetone will get the nut off, because it's
>> >> > going to be *very* uncomfortable to wear the damn thing otherwise.
>> ;-)
>> >> >
>> >
>> >> Spent my entire working life living by the clock, took it off the
>> day I
>> >> retired and have never worn it since.
>> >
>> > you obviously don't need to catch a train or bus.
>
>> Makes more sense to use the phone now.
>
> much easier to have a wrist watch

Bullshit. And the phone does FAR more when you
need to catch a train or bus when that allows you
to see if the train or bus or plane is on time or not.

On 05/03/2024 18:44, Tim+ wrote:
> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>> In article <us7h02$3rk8q$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Tricky Dicky <tricky.dicky@sky.com> wrote:
>>> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>> Gentlemen,
>>>>
>>>> Every time I send a watch off for servicing, I always check there's
>>>> been no funny business taking place whilst it's been away. You hear
>>>> all sorts of horror stories about movements being swapped-out and
>>>> replaced with Chinese or Russian crap. Anyway, for some reason, the
>>>> back of this one just did NOT want to come off. It should have been
>>>> simple. They do make a special tool for removing it, but the proper
>>>> one is *very* expensive and there are a lot of cheap and nasty copies
>>>> out there that will damage the case in the process. I tried the old
>>>> rubber ball dodge to unscrew it, but it was far too tightly on there.
>>>> Then I found another trick on Youtube. I was very doubtful, but it
>>>> worked! Who'd have thought Superglue was actually any good for
>>>> anything?
>>>>
>>>> https://disk.yandex.com/i/ZrQowgcVgDuO4A
>>>>
>>>> Now I just have to hope acetone will get the nut off, because it's
>>>> going to be *very* uncomfortable to wear the damn thing otherwise. ;-)
>>>>
>>
>>> Spent my entire working life living by the clock, took it off the day I
>>> retired and have never worn it since.
>>
>> you obviously don't need to catch a train or bus.
>>
>
> That’s what you have your mobile phone for. ;-)
>
Indeed. It took me 45 minutes to actually buy a train and car park ticket.
It was simply *not possible* to buy the parking ticket without a mobile
phone.

There was no option for 'key in registration and present cash/credit
card'. Just website or and app. I couldn't download the app or reach
the website because there was no signal on my phone, Nor could I phone
the number given because in the station concourse there was no signal...

And they wonder why the trains lose money....

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the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

- Bertrand Russell

On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 07:12:56 +1100, ken, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

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On 05/03/2024 19:04, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 5 Mar 2024 at 18:44:58 GMT, "Tim+" <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>
>> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>>> In article <us7h02$3rk8q$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Tricky Dicky <tricky.dicky@sky.com> wrote:
>>>> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Gentlemen,
>>>>>
>>>>> Every time I send a watch off for servicing, I always check there's
>>>>> been no funny business taking place whilst it's been away. You hear
>>>>> all sorts of horror stories about movements being swapped-out and
>>>>> replaced with Chinese or Russian crap. Anyway, for some reason, the
>>>>> back of this one just did NOT want to come off. It should have been
>>>>> simple. They do make a special tool for removing it, but the proper
>>>>> one is *very* expensive and there are a lot of cheap and nasty copies
>>>>> out there that will damage the case in the process. I tried the old
>>>>> rubber ball dodge to unscrew it, but it was far too tightly on there.
>>>>> Then I found another trick on Youtube. I was very doubtful, but it
>>>>> worked! Who'd have thought Superglue was actually any good for
>>>>> anything?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://disk.yandex.com/i/ZrQowgcVgDuO4A
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I just have to hope acetone will get the nut off, because it's
>>>>> going to be *very* uncomfortable to wear the damn thing otherwise. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>
>>>> Spent my entire working life living by the clock, took it off the day I
>>>> retired and have never worn it since.
>>>
>>> you obviously don't need to catch a train or bus.
>>>
>>
>> That’s what you have your mobile phone for. ;-)
>
> That's a minor use for it. Its main purpose is to make phone calls.
>
No. I never make phone calls on it. Its main use is because people
insist on using it to send you data, texts, and use it to pay for your
car park.

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who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
“We did this ourselves.”

― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 07:15:35 +1100
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 06:30:04 +1100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
> wrote:
>

> >
> >> Makes more sense to use the phone now.
> >
> > much easier to have a wrist watch
>
> Bullshit. And the phone does FAR more when you
> need to catch a train or bus when that allows you
> to see if the train or bus or plane is on time or not.

Use the right tool for the job. Multifunction devices are rarely the
best tools for the various jobs they do.

I find looking at the watch on my wrist (which has real hands) quicker
and easier than pulling my phone out of a pocket, opening the flap,
hitting the on button, waiting for the screen to start up, then peering
at the tiny digits in the corner of the screen. Then putting it away
again.

And the battery in my watch will allegedly last ten years, and it
doesn't lose signal on the Underground.

--
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Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote

>> >> Makes more sense to use the phone now.

>> > much easier to have a wrist watch

>> Bullshit. And the phone does FAR more when you
>> need to catch a train or bus when that allows you
>> to see if the train or bus or plane is on time or not.

> Use the right tool for the job.

A decent smartphone is the right tool for the job
with trains, buses and planes, given that you can
check if its running on time, check when the next
one is due if you miss the one you want to use or
it gets cancelled and can use it to pay for the trip
and can use it when travelling.

> Multifunction devices are rarely the
> best tools for the various jobs they do.

But a decent smartphone is the best
tool for travelling by bus, train or plane.

> I find looking at the watch on my wrist (which has real hands) quicker
> and easier than pulling my phone out of a pocket, opening the flap,
> hitting the on button, waiting for the screen to start up, then peering
> at the tiny digits in the corner of the screen. Then putting it away
> again.

When you organise things properly, you just take
the phone from your pocket and it shows you the
time on a vastly bigger screen than a watch,
completely automatically, no flap, no on button
require, no waiting, massive digits that fill the screen.

Or just say 'hey siri, time'

> And the battery in my watch will allegedly last ten years,

Irrelevant when you need the phone anyway.

> and it doesn't lose signal on the Underground.

Dont need signal to get the time.

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On 5 Mar 2024 at 21:02:00 GMT, "Joe" <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 07:15:35 +1100
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 06:30:04 +1100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>
>>>
>>>> Makes more sense to use the phone now.
>>>
>>> much easier to have a wrist watch
>>
>> Bullshit. And the phone does FAR more when you
>> need to catch a train or bus when that allows you
>> to see if the train or bus or plane is on time or not.
>
> Use the right tool for the job. Multifunction devices are rarely the
> best tools for the various jobs they do.
>
> I find looking at the watch on my wrist (which has real hands) quicker
> and easier than pulling my phone out of a pocket, opening the flap,
> hitting the on button, waiting for the screen to start up, then peering
> at the tiny digits in the corner of the screen. Then putting it away
> again.
>
> And the battery in my watch will allegedly last ten years, and it
> doesn't lose signal on the Underground.

Quite. All these folks are followers of the "all eggs in one basket" approach,
and then they are fucked when the basket is nicked or runs out of volts or
there is no signal.

BTW, you forgot the "Enter Passcode" step.

When this smartphone (7 years old now) shuffles off this mortal coil, I shall
go back to a clamshell. Texts are useful, because they are better than
answerphone messages. Voice and texts is all I want it to do.

I already know how to read a map.

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On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 09:15:52 +1100, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk>
wrote:

> On 5 Mar 2024 at 21:02:00 GMT, "Joe" <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 07:15:35 +1100
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 06:30:04 +1100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> Makes more sense to use the phone now.
>>>>
>>>> much easier to have a wrist watch
>>>
>>> Bullshit. And the phone does FAR more when you
>>> need to catch a train or bus when that allows you
>>> to see if the train or bus or plane is on time or not.
>>
>> Use the right tool for the job. Multifunction devices are rarely the
>> best tools for the various jobs they do.
>>
>> I find looking at the watch on my wrist (which has real hands) quicker
>> and easier than pulling my phone out of a pocket, opening the flap,
>> hitting the on button, waiting for the screen to start up, then peering
>> at the tiny digits in the corner of the screen. Then putting it away
>> again.
>>
>> And the battery in my watch will allegedly last ten years, and it
>> doesn't lose signal on the Underground.

> Quite. All these folks are followers of the "all eggs in one basket"
> approach,

We are actually followers of the much better tool for the job approach.

> and then they are fucked when the basket is nicked

Nope, just ask someone else what the time is.

Even you should be able to manage that,
if someone is actually stupid enough to
lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.

> or runs out of volts

Nope, plenty of warning when the battery is getting
low so you can turn the phone off so you can turn it
on again if you need it before you can charge it.

> or there is no signal.

Dont need a signal to see the time.

> BTW, you forgot the "Enter Passcode" step.

Nope, no decent smartphone needs
any passcode to show you the time.

> When this smartphone (7 years old now) shufflesoff this mortal coil, I
> shall go back to a clamshell.

More fool you given that you can't pay the fare that way.

> Texts are useful, because they are better than answerphonemessages.
> Voice and texts is all I want it to do.

More fool you when paying for the fare or parking fee.

> I already know how to read a map.

But its much more convenient to have turn by turn
directions when you have never been there befroe.

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On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 21:02:00 +0000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 07:15:35 +1100
>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 06:30:04 +1100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>
>> >
>> >> Makes more sense to use the phone now.
>> >
>> > much easier to have a wrist watch
>>
>> Bullshit. And the phone does FAR more when you
>> need to catch a train or bus when that allows you
>> to see if the train or bus or plane is on time or not.
>
>Use the right tool for the job. Multifunction devices are rarely the
>best tools for the various jobs they do.
>
>I find looking at the watch on my wrist (which has real hands) quicker
>and easier than pulling my phone out of a pocket, opening the flap,
>hitting the on button, waiting for the screen to start up, then peering
>at the tiny digits in the corner of the screen. Then putting it away
>again.
>

You are supposed to be looking at the phone all the time like 90% of
the population do, even if there is traffic to negotiate.

>And the battery in my watch will allegedly last ten years, and it
>doesn't lose signal on the Underground.
>

Battery? The OP's watch looks as if it winds up with motion. Mine
charges up with daylight and picks up the time signal so it is always
accurate to within 1 second. It doesn't need rebooting, security
updates, contracts or replacing every 3 years because apps will no
longer run on the older OS.

--
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Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

On 6 Mar 2024 at 12:08:02 GMT, "AnthonyL" <AnthonyL> wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 21:02:00 +0000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 07:15:35 +1100
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 06:30:04 +1100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Makes more sense to use the phone now.
>>>>
>>>> much easier to have a wrist watch
>>>
>>> Bullshit. And the phone does FAR more when you
>>> need to catch a train or bus when that allows you
>>> to see if the train or bus or plane is on time or not.
>>
>> Use the right tool for the job. Multifunction devices are rarely the
>> best tools for the various jobs they do.
>>
>> I find looking at the watch on my wrist (which has real hands) quicker
>> and easier than pulling my phone out of a pocket, opening the flap,
>> hitting the on button, waiting for the screen to start up, then peering
>> at the tiny digits in the corner of the screen. Then putting it away
>> again.
>
> You are supposed to be looking at the phone all the time like 90% of
> the population do, even if there is traffic to negotiate.
>
>> And the battery in my watch will allegedly last ten years, and it
>> doesn't lose signal on the Underground.
>
> Battery? The OP's watch looks as if it winds up with motion. Mine
> charges up with daylight and picks up the time signal so it is always
> accurate to within 1 second. It doesn't need rebooting, security
> updates, contracts or replacing every 3 years because apps will no
> longer run on the older OS.

Make and model, please.

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In article <65e85ba4.1513190750@news.eternal-september.org>,
AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 21:02:00 +0000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

> >On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 07:15:35 +1100
> >"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 06:30:04 +1100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >
> >> >
> >> >> Makes more sense to use the phone now.
> >> >
> >> > much easier to have a wrist watch
> >>
> >> Bullshit. And the phone does FAR more when you
> >> need to catch a train or bus when that allows you
> >> to see if the train or bus or plane is on time or not.
> >
> >Use the right tool for the job. Multifunction devices are rarely the
> >best tools for the various jobs they do.
> >
> >I find looking at the watch on my wrist (which has real hands) quicker
> >and easier than pulling my phone out of a pocket, opening the flap,
> >hitting the on button, waiting for the screen to start up, then peering
> >at the tiny digits in the corner of the screen. Then putting it away
> >again.
> >

> You are supposed to be looking at the phone all the time like 90% of
> the population do, even if there is traffic to negotiate.

> >And the battery in my watch will allegedly last ten years, and it
> >doesn't lose signal on the Underground.
> >

> Battery? The OP's watch looks as if it winds up with motion. Mine
> charges up with daylight and picks up the time signal so it is always
> accurate to within 1 second. It doesn't need rebooting, security
> updates, contracts or replacing every 3 years because apps will no
> longer run on the older OS.

But, we seem to be getting away from the OP's original point. He spent his
working days clockwatching so no longer did so. I'm sure he didn't mean
using a phone rather than a watch./

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On 06/03/2024 13:30, charles wrote:
> In article <65e85ba4.1513190750@news.eternal-september.org>,
> AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 21:02:00 +0000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
>
>>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 07:15:35 +1100
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 06:30:04 +1100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Makes more sense to use the phone now.
>>>>>
>>>>> much easier to have a wrist watch
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. And the phone does FAR more when you
>>>> need to catch a train or bus when that allows you
>>>> to see if the train or bus or plane is on time or not.
>>>
>>> Use the right tool for the job. Multifunction devices are rarely the
>>> best tools for the various jobs they do.
>>>
>>> I find looking at the watch on my wrist (which has real hands) quicker
>>> and easier than pulling my phone out of a pocket, opening the flap,
>>> hitting the on button, waiting for the screen to start up, then peering
>>> at the tiny digits in the corner of the screen. Then putting it away
>>> again.
>>>
>
>> You are supposed to be looking at the phone all the time like 90% of
>> the population do, even if there is traffic to negotiate.
>
>>> And the battery in my watch will allegedly last ten years, and it
>>> doesn't lose signal on the Underground.
>>>
>
>> Battery? The OP's watch looks as if it winds up with motion. Mine
>> charges up with daylight and picks up the time signal so it is always
>> accurate to within 1 second. It doesn't need rebooting, security
>> updates, contracts or replacing every 3 years because apps will no
>> longer run on the older OS.
>
> But, we seem to be getting away from the OP's original point. He spent his
> working days clockwatching so no longer did so. I'm sure he didn't mean
> using a phone rather than a watch./
>
Indeed. I simply cant be arsed to dash round shaving minutes off. I
arrive for appointments up to an hour early because that means I dont
stress out when there is traffic or some other aspect of
ThisShinyDigitalNewWorld doesn't actually work at all.

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very definition of slavery.

Jonathan Swift

Tim Streater wrote:

> On 6 Mar 2024 at 12:08:02 GMT, "AnthonyL" <AnthonyL> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 21:02:00 +0000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 07:15:35 +1100
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 06:30:04 +1100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Makes more sense to use the phone now.
>>>>>
>>>>> much easier to have a wrist watch
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. And the phone does FAR more when you
>>>> need to catch a train or bus when that allows you
>>>> to see if the train or bus or plane is on time or not.
>>>
>>> Use the right tool for the job. Multifunction devices are rarely the
>>> best tools for the various jobs they do.
>>>
>>> I find looking at the watch on my wrist (which has real hands) quicker
>>> and easier than pulling my phone out of a pocket, opening the flap,
>>> hitting the on button, waiting for the screen to start up, then peering
>>> at the tiny digits in the corner of the screen. Then putting it away
>>> again.
>>
>> You are supposed to be looking at the phone all the time like 90% of
>> the population do, even if there is traffic to negotiate.
>>
>>> And the battery in my watch will allegedly last ten years, and it
>>> doesn't lose signal on the Underground.
>>
>> Battery? The OP's watch looks as if it winds up with motion. Mine
>> charges up with daylight and picks up the time signal so it is always
>> accurate to within 1 second. It doesn't need rebooting, security
>> updates, contracts or replacing every 3 years because apps will no
>> longer run on the older OS.
>
> Make and model, please.
>

probably one of the Casio Wave Ceptor watches

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> In message <us47ie$33beb$4@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>> On 04/03/2024 09:19, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 02:14:46 +0000, John Rumm
>>> <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/03/2024 18:54, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>> On 3 Mar 2024 18:46:32 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3 Mar 2024 at 18:27:12 GMT, "Colin Bignell"
>>>>>> <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 03/03/2024 18:23, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3 Mar 2024 at 18:18:42 GMT, "Cursitor Doom"
>>>>>>>> <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gentlemen,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Every time I send a watch off for servicing, I always check
>>>>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>>>> been no funny business taking place whilst it's been away. You
>>>>>>>>> hear
>>>>>>>>> all sorts of horror stories about movements being swapped-out and
>>>>>>>>> replaced with Chinese or Russian crap. Anyway, for some reason,
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> back of this one just did NOT want to come off. It should have
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> simple. They do make a special tool for removing it, but the
>>>>>>>>> proper
>>>>>>>>> one is *very* expensive and there are a lot of cheap and nasty
>>>>>>>>> copies
>>>>>>>>> out there that will damage the case in the process ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds like you paid through the nose for your watch. Mine was
>>>>>>>> £30 from H
>>>>>>>> Samuel about 8 years ago, keeps perfect time and has the day of
>>>>>>>> the month.
>>>>>>>> Anything else?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, yours doesn't yell out rob me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, if we can please get back on topic, the point is that
>>>>> Superglue is actually useful for something other than simply sticking
>>>>> Just Stop Oil morons to motorway bridges.
>>>>> So it was highly effective in this application. But what else is it
>>>>> ideal for? There must be other uses where nothing else will do the
>>>>> trick?
>>>>
>>>> There are plenty of uses - especially if you have a can of activator to
>>>> go with it.
>>>>
>>>> A common one I use is for work holding on things you don't want
>>>> obstructed by clamps or to physically mark. Apply blue masking tape to
>>>> both things you want to stick. Apply superglue to one side, spray the
>>>> other with activator, and slap em together. 10 secs later you have good
>>>> enough fix to route round a template etc. When done you can prise the
>>>> masking tape off the surfaces without any damage.
>>>>
>>>> Also lots of applications in things like baking soda to make an instant
>>>> fix filler / putty.
>>>  Activator? What does that do? It sets fast enough as it is!
>>
>> Well actually no, it doesn't.
>>
>> Not on all surfaces
>>
>> On carbon fibre and balsa wood (and fingers or Jeans ) it is so
>> instant it *smokes * from the heat. On metals it sorta hangs round for
>> ages.
>>
>> I have never figured out why.
>>
>> Maybe damp is an activator
>
> Don't know why but, repairing broken ceramics works best if you wet the
> surfaces prior to applying the glue.

Polymerisation will occur in the presence of moisture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate#Polymerization

On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 23:44:28 +0000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:

>On 04/03/2024 10:41, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> In message <us47ie$33beb$4@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>>> On 04/03/2024 09:19, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 02:14:46 +0000, John Rumm
>>>> <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03/03/2024 18:54, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>> On 3 Mar 2024 18:46:32 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3 Mar 2024 at 18:27:12 GMT, "Colin Bignell"
>>>>>>> <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 03/03/2024 18:23, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3 Mar 2024 at 18:18:42 GMT, "Cursitor Doom"
>>>>>>>>> <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gentlemen,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Every time I send a watch off for servicing, I always check
>>>>>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>>>>> been no funny business taking place whilst it's been away. You
>>>>>>>>>> hear
>>>>>>>>>> all sorts of horror stories about movements being swapped-out and
>>>>>>>>>> replaced with Chinese or Russian crap. Anyway, for some reason,
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> back of this one just did NOT want to come off. It should have
>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>> simple. They do make a special tool for removing it, but the
>>>>>>>>>> proper
>>>>>>>>>> one is *very* expensive and there are a lot of cheap and nasty
>>>>>>>>>> copies
>>>>>>>>>> out there that will damage the case in the process ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sounds like you paid through the nose for your watch. Mine was
>>>>>>>>> £30 from H
>>>>>>>>> Samuel about 8 years ago, keeps perfect time and has the day of
>>>>>>>>> the month.
>>>>>>>>> Anything else?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, yours doesn't yell out rob me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, if we can please get back on topic, the point is that
>>>>>> Superglue is actually useful for something other than simply sticking
>>>>>> Just Stop Oil morons to motorway bridges.
>>>>>> So it was highly effective in this application. But what else is it
>>>>>> ideal for? There must be other uses where nothing else will do the
>>>>>> trick?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are plenty of uses - especially if you have a can of activator to
>>>>> go with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> A common one I use is for work holding on things you don't want
>>>>> obstructed by clamps or to physically mark. Apply blue masking tape to
>>>>> both things you want to stick. Apply superglue to one side, spray the
>>>>> other with activator, and slap em together. 10 secs later you have good
>>>>> enough fix to route round a template etc. When done you can prise the
>>>>> masking tape off the surfaces without any damage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also lots of applications in things like baking soda to make an instant
>>>>> fix filler / putty.
>>>>  Activator? What does that do? It sets fast enough as it is!
>>>
>>> Well actually no, it doesn't.
>>>
>>> Not on all surfaces
>>>
>>> On carbon fibre and balsa wood (and fingers or Jeans ) it is so
>>> instant it *smokes * from the heat. On metals it sorta hangs round for
>>> ages.
>>>
>>> I have never figured out why.
>>>
>>> Maybe damp is an activator
>>
>> Don't know why but, repairing broken ceramics works best if you wet the
>> surfaces prior to applying the glue.
>
>Polymerisation will occur in the presence of moisture.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate#Polymerization

On Superglue instructions it says to moisten porous surfaces with a
little water.

On 6 Mar 2024 12:29:20 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

>On 6 Mar 2024 at 12:08:02 GMT, "AnthonyL" <AnthonyL> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 21:02:00 +0000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 07:15:35 +1100
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 06:30:04 +1100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Makes more sense to use the phone now.
>>>>>
>>>>> much easier to have a wrist watch
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. And the phone does FAR more when you
>>>> need to catch a train or bus when that allows you
>>>> to see if the train or bus or plane is on time or not.
>>>
>>> Use the right tool for the job. Multifunction devices are rarely the
>>> best tools for the various jobs they do.
>>>
>>> I find looking at the watch on my wrist (which has real hands) quicker
>>> and easier than pulling my phone out of a pocket, opening the flap,
>>> hitting the on button, waiting for the screen to start up, then peering
>>> at the tiny digits in the corner of the screen. Then putting it away
>>> again.
>>
>> You are supposed to be looking at the phone all the time like 90% of
>> the population do, even if there is traffic to negotiate.
>>
>>> And the battery in my watch will allegedly last ten years, and it
>>> doesn't lose signal on the Underground.
>>
>> Battery? The OP's watch looks as if it winds up with motion. Mine
>> charges up with daylight and picks up the time signal so it is always
>> accurate to within 1 second. It doesn't need rebooting, security
>> updates, contracts or replacing every 3 years because apps will no
>> longer run on the older OS.
>
>Make and model, please.
>

Best I can do for you (no I'm not selling):

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/casio-wave-ceptor-wv-300-atomic-self-454322313

The model no is 3034. It was a birthday present probably in 2007.

Seems as if Casio don't do them any more. I use it also when going
abroad and it has dual time zone so I can just scroll through and set
the second time zone as required.

My everyday watch is Casio AQ-230. Can't recall how long I've had
that. Just have to mess around every Feb 29th whereas the wave ceptor
knows the date/time.

--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?