On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 14:17:15 +1100, blacky, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

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On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:22:18 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:19:46 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 18:49:31 +1100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> On 15/03/2024 03:17, blacky wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 13:39:53 +1100, me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> blacky <bhju88@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>
>>>> Satnav isnt that accurate
>>
>>> It is, but not the cheapo consumer stuff.

>> Nope, not even with DGPS

> Combine it with other techniques to get cm accuracy

Not even dgps gets that.

> Galileo’s HAS, better than 20cm
> https://tinyurl.com/23d6tp3c

Fantasy

> https://www.u-blox.com/en/technologies/high-precision-positioning

On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 18:49:31 +1100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> On 15/03/2024 03:17, blacky wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 13:39:53 +1100, me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> blacky <bhju88@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>
>>>> Satnav isnt that accurate
>>
>>> It is, but not the cheapo consumer stuff.
>> Nope, not even with DGPS
>
> Combine it with other techniques to get cm accuracy
>
> Galileo’s HAS, better than 20cm
> https://tinyurl.com/23d6tp3c

Fantasy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

> https://www.u-blox.com/en/technologies/high-precision-positioning

On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 19:46:12 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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On 14/03/2024 23:00, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 14 Mar 2024 at 22:56:17 GMT, "SteveW" <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 14/03/2024 22:44, David Wade wrote:
>
>>> So we no longer allow them, instead we take workers from further East
>>> who will work for less, provided we let them bring their families...
>>
>> The point is that we can now control the numbers if we want to - we
>> couldn't do much to limit EU numbers before. UK governments can at least
>> now be held responsible for the numbers and voted out for not
>> controlling them to a reasonable level.
>
> There is some hope that th epoliticos are taking note of the fact that the
> population of this country has gone from about 50 million when I was a kid
> (1950s) to 70 million now. That's almost 300k net a year. Small wonder there's
> a housing shortage.

And a road-space shortage leading to congestion and parking problems,
school places shortage, green-belt land being used for building, etc.

On 14/03/2024 20:45, blacky wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:32:10 +1100, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 14 Mar 2024 at 10:34:23 GMT, "Andrew" <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/03/2024 16:45, Spike wrote:
>>>> Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> This just in for the gammons from a gammon-approved source:
>>>>> https://www.gbnews.com/politics/brexit-news-civil-service
>>>>>
>>>>> "The Brexit and the State report [...] describes the Brexit project as
>>>>> "very much a work in progress", despite the UK having voted to
>>>>> leave the
>>>>> EU nearly a decade ago. "
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck with the "work in progress"! By 2356, we'll finally start
>>>>> cashing in the dividend.
>>>>
>>>> We gave the EEC/EC/EU every chance, we were financing small and
>>>> inefficient
>>>> French farms for 47 years.
>>>
>>> Britain had plenty of farmers in that category for decades
>>> too. Most of them have been replaced by 'hobby farmers'
>>> (do they still qualify for area payments?) who have sold
>>> their grotty 2 bed flat in London and become farmers (or
>>> moved to France and bought a Chateaux).
>>>
>>> Scotland still has small farmers, 'crofters'.
>>>
>>> No benefit cap on farmers.
>>>
>>> In 1970 a typical tractor was a David Brown 990 selectamatic,
>>> or similar costing just over £1000.
>
>> Are they still in the tractor business?
>
> Nope
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brown_Ltd.#Sale_of_David_Brown_Tractors_to_Case_1972
>
>>> Now farmers seem to 'need' to own massive 4wd John Deere tractors, where
>>> the cab costs many times more than a complete tractor did in 1970.
>>
>> Don't these have satnav-guidance so if they're towing a plough the
>> tractor
>> will plough exactly the required area including leaving the correct edge
>> strip?
>
> Satnav isnt that accurate

Normal satnav is okay up to around 5m - the high-end, dual-frequency
versions to a couple of centimetres and when used statically (such as
measuring for site surveys and building) to about a millimetre.

On 15/03/2024 03:17, blacky wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 13:39:53 +1100, me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> blacky <bhju88@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:32:10 +1100, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 14 Mar 2024 at 10:34:23 GMT, "Andrew" <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > On 13/03/2024 16:45, Spike wrote:
>>> > > > Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > This just in for the gammons from a gammon-approved source:
>>> > > > > https://www.gbnews.com/politics/brexit-news-civil-service
>>> >>>>
>>> > > > > "The Brexit and the State report [...] describes the Brexit
>>> > > > > project as "very much a work in progress", despite the UK having
>>> > > > > voted to leave the EU nearly a decade ago. "
>>> >>>>
>>> > > > > Good luck with the "work in progress"! By 2356, we'll finally
>>> > > > > start cashing in the dividend.
>>> >>>
>>> > > > We gave the EEC/EC/EU every chance, we were financing small and
>>> > > > inefficient French farms for 47 years.
>>> >>
>>> > > Britain had plenty of farmers in that category for decades too. Most
>>> > > of them have been replaced by 'hobby farmers' (do they still qualify
>>> > > for area payments?) who have sold their grotty 2 bed flat in London
>>> > > and become farmers (or moved to France and bought a Chateaux).
>>> >>
>>> > > Scotland still has small farmers, 'crofters'.
>>> >>
>>> > > No benefit cap on farmers.
>>> >>
>>> > > In 1970 a typical tractor was a David Brown 990 selectamatic, or
>>> > > similar costing just over £1000.
>>>
>>> > Are they still in the tractor business?
>>>
>>> Nope
>>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brown_Ltd.#Sale_of_David_Brown_Tractors_to_Case_1972
>>>
>>> > > Now farmers seem to 'need' to own massive 4wd John Deere tractors,
>>> > > where the cab costs many times more than a complete tractor did in
>>> > > 1970.
>>> >
>>> > Don't these have satnav-guidance so if they're towing a plough the
>>> > tractor will plough exactly the required area including leaving the
>>> > correct edge strip?
>>>
>>> Satnav isnt that accurate
>
>> It is, but not the cheapo consumer stuff.
>
> Nope, not even with DGPS

https://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/performance/accuracy/

On 15/03/2024 02:39, me9 wrote:
> blacky <bhju88@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:32:10 +1100, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14 Mar 2024 at 10:34:23 GMT, "Andrew" <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 13/03/2024 16:45, Spike wrote:
>>>>> Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> This just in for the gammons from a gammon-approved source:
>>>>>> https://www.gbnews.com/politics/brexit-news-civil-service
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The Brexit and the State report [...] describes the Brexit
>>>>>> project as "very much a work in progress", despite the UK having
>>>>>> voted to leave the EU nearly a decade ago. "
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck with the "work in progress"! By 2356, we'll finally
>>>>>> start cashing in the dividend.
>>>>>
>>>>> We gave the EEC/EC/EU every chance, we were financing small and
>>>>> inefficient French farms for 47 years.
>>>>
>>>> Britain had plenty of farmers in that category for decades too. Most
>>>> of them have been replaced by 'hobby farmers' (do they still qualify
>>>> for area payments?) who have sold their grotty 2 bed flat in London
>>>> and become farmers (or moved to France and bought a Chateaux).
>>>>
>>>> Scotland still has small farmers, 'crofters'.
>>>>
>>>> No benefit cap on farmers.
>>>>
>>>> In 1970 a typical tractor was a David Brown 990 selectamatic, or
>>>> similar costing just over £1000.
>>
>>> Are they still in the tractor business?
>>
>> Nope
>>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brown_Ltd.#Sale_of_David_Brown_Tractors_to_Case_1972
>>
>>>> Now farmers seem to 'need' to own massive 4wd John Deere tractors,
>>>> where the cab costs many times more than a complete tractor did in
>>>> 1970.
>>>
>>> Don't these have satnav-guidance so if they're towing a plough the
>>> tractor will plough exactly the required area including leaving the
>>> correct edge strip?
>>
>> Satnav isnt that accurate
>
> It is, but not the cheapo consumer stuff.

And they have inertial guidance too.

Tractors can plough to the width of a wheel track or better

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In message <ut16um$27h0d$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>On 15/03/2024 02:39, me9 wrote:
>> blacky <bhju88@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:32:10 +1100, Tim Streater
>>><tim@streater.me.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14 Mar 2024 at 10:34:23 GMT, "Andrew" <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 13/03/2024 16:45, Spike wrote:
>>>>>> Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> This just in for the gammons from a gammon-approved source:
>>>>>>> https://www.gbnews.com/politics/brexit-news-civil-service
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The Brexit and the State report [...] describes the Brexit
>>>>>>> project as "very much a work in progress", despite the UK having
>>>>>>> voted to leave the EU nearly a decade ago. "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck with the "work in progress"! By 2356, we'll finally
>>>>>>> start cashing in the dividend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We gave the EEC/EC/EU every chance, we were financing small and
>>>>>> inefficient French farms for 47 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Britain had plenty of farmers in that category for decades too. Most
>>>>> of them have been replaced by 'hobby farmers' (do they still qualify
>>>>> for area payments?) who have sold their grotty 2 bed flat in London
>>>>> and become farmers (or moved to France and bought a Chateaux).
>>>>>
>>>>> Scotland still has small farmers, 'crofters'.
>>>>>
>>>>> No benefit cap on farmers.
>>>>>
>>>>> In 1970 a typical tractor was a David Brown 990 selectamatic, or
>>>>> similar costing just over £1000.
>>>
>>>> Are they still in the tractor business?
>>>
>>> Nope
>>>
>>
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brown_Ltd.#Sale_of_David_Brown_Trac
>>tors_to_Case_1972
>>>
>>>>> Now farmers seem to 'need' to own massive 4wd John Deere tractors,
>>>>> where the cab costs many times more than a complete tractor did in
>>>>> 1970.
>>>>
>>>> Don't these have satnav-guidance so if they're towing a plough the
>>>> tractor will plough exactly the required area including leaving the
>>>> correct edge strip?
>>>
>>> Satnav isnt that accurate
>> It is, but not the cheapo consumer stuff.
>
>And they have inertial guidance too.
>
>Tractors can plough to the width of a wheel track or better

Not available for my ancient David Browns but I think accuracy now
allows use for spraying where something better than 100mm is essential.
Devices regularly stolen from tractors!

I think they use a local relay system from a fixed mast. Lots of blurb
on line with some claiming 20mm accuracy!

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Am 14/03/2024 um 20:49 schrieb Rod Speed:
> the UK gets to decide which EUians it allows to move to the UK

I am interested in knowing which EUians the UK wants and which not,
because in the minds of gammons we are all wogs (both in the original
and the Aussie sense of the term).

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Am 14/03/2024 um 22:44 schrieb David Wade:
> On 14/03/2024 20:49, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 03:28:59 +1100, Ian Jackson
>> <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <l5fu9vFigcU1@mid.individual.net>, Tim Streater
>>> <tim@streater.me.uk> writes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know in detail what EU regulations have been scrapped, but
>>>> AIUI some
>>>> have been and I expect others will be as and when. Just as in the
>>>> former
>>>> colonies described in the article. Your 20% is just a figment of
>>>> your vivid
>>>> imagination.
>>>>
>>> Very few, I think. Wasn't Jacob Rees-Mogg given the job (to keep him
>>> out of the way), but he only found a few rules and laws that could be
>>> scrapped or modified without doing too much harm? Didn't his
>>> victories include the legendary vacuum cleaner now being allowed to
>>> consume megawatts, and something about some distance or other in one
>>> of the Thames tunnels now being able to be indicated in yards instead
>>> of metres? [So far, has anything of substance been changed?]
>>
>> Yep, the UK gets to decide which EUians it allows to move to the UK
>
> So we no longer allow them, instead we take workers from further East
> who will work for less, provided we let them bring their families...

This is what a call a massive dividend!

--
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:55:17 +0000, Ottavio Caruso
<ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Am 14/03/2024 um 20:49 schrieb Rod Speed:
>> the UK gets to decide which EUians it allows to move to the UK
>
>I am interested in knowing which EUians the UK wants and which not,
>because in the minds of gammons we are all wogs (both in the original
>and the Aussie sense of the term).
But not Italians. You lot are "wops". Older gammons here might
remember the "Musso the Wop" cartoon strip in The Beano during WW2.
(Not me; I'm a "Boomer", so it was before my time.)

https://britishcomics.fandom.com/wiki/Musso_the_Wop

Am 15/03/2024 um 14:31 schrieb Custos Custodum:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:55:17 +0000, Ottavio Caruso
> <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Am 14/03/2024 um 20:49 schrieb Rod Speed:
>>> the UK gets to decide which EUians it allows to move to the UK
>>
>> I am interested in knowing which EUians the UK wants and which not,
>> because in the minds of gammons we are all wogs (both in the original
>> and the Aussie sense of the term).
>
> But not Italians. You lot are "wops". Older gammons here might
> remember the "Musso the Wop" cartoon strip in The Beano during WW2.
> (Not me; I'm a "Boomer", so it was before my time.)
>
> https://britishcomics.fandom.com/wiki/Musso_the_Wop

So is wop better or worse that wog? I am confused. Didn't you guys use
to lynch us all?

--
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On 15 Mar 2024 at 14:53:34 GMT, "Ottavio Caruso"
<ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Am 15/03/2024 um 14:31 schrieb Custos Custodum:
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:55:17 +0000, Ottavio Caruso
>> <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 14/03/2024 um 20:49 schrieb Rod Speed:
>>>> the UK gets to decide which EUians it allows to move to the UK
>>>
>>> I am interested in knowing which EUians the UK wants and which not,
>>> because in the minds of gammons we are all wogs (both in the original
>>> and the Aussie sense of the term).
>>
>> But not Italians. You lot are "wops". Older gammons here might
>> remember the "Musso the Wop" cartoon strip in The Beano during WW2.
>> (Not me; I'm a "Boomer", so it was before my time.)
>>
>> https://britishcomics.fandom.com/wiki/Musso_the_Wop
>
> So is wop better or worse that wog? I am confused. Didn't you guys use
> to lynch us all?

Have you seen a doctor about your inferiority complex?

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On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 20:27:33 +1100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
wrote:

> On 14/03/2024 20:45, blacky wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:32:10 +1100, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14 Mar 2024 at 10:34:23 GMT, "Andrew" <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 13/03/2024 16:45, Spike wrote:
>>>>> Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> This just in for the gammons from a gammon-approved source:
>>>>>> https://www.gbnews.com/politics/brexit-news-civil-service
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The Brexit and the State report [...] describes the Brexit project
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> "very much a work in progress", despite the UK having voted to
>>>>>> leave the
>>>>>> EU nearly a decade ago. "
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck with the "work in progress"! By 2356, we'll finally start
>>>>>> cashing in the dividend.
>>>>>
>>>>> We gave the EEC/EC/EU every chance, we were financing small and
>>>>> inefficient
>>>>> French farms for 47 years.
>>>>
>>>> Britain had plenty of farmers in that category for decades
>>>> too. Most of them have been replaced by 'hobby farmers'
>>>> (do they still qualify for area payments?) who have sold
>>>> their grotty 2 bed flat in London and become farmers (or
>>>> moved to France and bought a Chateaux).
>>>>
>>>> Scotland still has small farmers, 'crofters'.
>>>>
>>>> No benefit cap on farmers.
>>>>
>>>> In 1970 a typical tractor was a David Brown 990 selectamatic,
>>>> or similar costing just over £1000.
>>
>>> Are they still in the tractor business?
>> Nope
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brown_Ltd.#Sale_of_David_Brown_Tractors_to_Case_1972
>>
>>>> Now farmers seem to 'need' to own massive 4wd John Deere tractors,
>>>> where
>>>> the cab costs many times more than a complete tractor did in 1970.
>>>
>>> Don't these have satnav-guidance so if they're towing a plough the
>>> tractor
>>> will plough exactly the required area including leaving the correct
>>> edge
>>> strip?
>> Satnav isnt that accurate
>
> Normal satnav is okay up to around 5m - the high-end, dual-frequency
> versions to a couple of centimetres and when used statically (such as
> measuring for site surveys and building) to about a millimetre.

You have mangled the numbers with the dual frequency ones.

On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 20:28:57 +1100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
wrote:

> On 15/03/2024 03:17, blacky wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 13:39:53 +1100, me9 <me9@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> blacky <bhju88@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:32:10 +1100, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 14 Mar 2024 at 10:34:23 GMT, "Andrew" <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > On 13/03/2024 16:45, Spike wrote:
>>>> > > > Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> > > > > This just in for the gammons from a gammon-approved source:
>>>> > > > > https://www.gbnews.com/politics/brexit-news-civil-service
>>>> >>>>
>>>> > > > > "The Brexit and the State report [...] describes the Brexit
>>>> > > > > project as "very much a work in progress", despite the UK
>>>> having
>>>> > > > > voted to leave the EU nearly a decade ago. "
>>>> >>>>
>>>> > > > > Good luck with the "work in progress"! By 2356, we'll finally
>>>> > > > > start cashing in the dividend.
>>>> >>>
>>>> > > > We gave the EEC/EC/EU every chance, we were financing small and
>>>> > > > inefficient French farms for 47 years.
>>>> >>
>>>> > > Britain had plenty of farmers in that category for decades too.
>>>> Most
>>>> > > of them have been replaced by 'hobby farmers' (do they still
>>>> qualify
>>>> > > for area payments?) who have sold their grotty 2 bed flat in
>>>> London
>>>> > > and become farmers (or moved to France and bought a Chateaux).
>>>> >>
>>>> > > Scotland still has small farmers, 'crofters'.
>>>> >>
>>>> > > No benefit cap on farmers.
>>>> >>
>>>> > > In 1970 a typical tractor was a David Brown 990 selectamatic, or
>>>> > > similar costing just over £1000.
>>>>
>>>> > Are they still in the tractor business?
>>>>
>>>> Nope
>>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brown_Ltd.#Sale_of_David_Brown_Tractors_to_Case_1972
>>>>
>>>> > > Now farmers seem to 'need' to own massive 4wd John Deere tractors,
>>>> > > where the cab costs many times more than a complete tractor did in
>>>> > > 1970.
>>>> >
>>>> > Don't these have satnav-guidance so if they're towing a plough the
>>>> > tractor will plough exactly the required area including leaving the
>>>> > correct edge strip?
>>>>
>>>> Satnav isnt that accurate
>>
>>> It is, but not the cheapo consumer stuff.
>> Nope, not even with DGPS
>
> https://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/performance/accuracy/

Which says nothing like your numbers for dual frequency receivers

On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 21:12:38 +1100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 15/03/2024 02:39, me9 wrote:
>> blacky <bhju88@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:32:10 +1100, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14 Mar 2024 at 10:34:23 GMT, "Andrew" <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 13/03/2024 16:45, Spike wrote:
>>>>>> Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> This just in for the gammons from a gammon-approved source:
>>>>>>> https://www.gbnews.com/politics/brexit-news-civil-service
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The Brexit and the State report [...] describes the Brexit
>>>>>>> project as "very much a work in progress", despite the UK having
>>>>>>> voted to leave the EU nearly a decade ago. "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck with the "work in progress"! By 2356, we'll finally
>>>>>>> start cashing in the dividend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We gave the EEC/EC/EU every chance, we were financing small and
>>>>>> inefficient French farms for 47 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Britain had plenty of farmers in that category for decades too. Most
>>>>> of them have been replaced by 'hobby farmers' (do they still qualify
>>>>> for area payments?) who have sold their grotty 2 bed flat in London
>>>>> and become farmers (or moved to France and bought a Chateaux).
>>>>>
>>>>> Scotland still has small farmers, 'crofters'.
>>>>>
>>>>> No benefit cap on farmers.
>>>>>
>>>>> In 1970 a typical tractor was a David Brown 990 selectamatic, or
>>>>> similar costing just over £1000.
>>>
>>>> Are they still in the tractor business?
>>>
>>> Nope
>>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brown_Ltd.#Sale_of_David_Brown_Tractors_to_Case_1972
>>>
>>>>> Now farmers seem to 'need' to own massive 4wd John Deere tractors,
>>>>> where the cab costs many times more than a complete tractor did in
>>>>> 1970.
>>>>
>>>> Don't these have satnav-guidance so if they're towing a plough the
>>>> tractor will plough exactly the required area including leaving the
>>>> correct edge strip?
>>>
>>> Satnav isnt that accurate
>> It is, but not the cheapo consumer stuff.
>
> And they have inertial guidance too.
>
> Tractors can plough to the width of a wheel track or better

Which is nothing like Streater's claim.

On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 21:30:29 +1100, Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

> In message <ut16um$27h0d$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>> On 15/03/2024 02:39, me9 wrote:
>>> blacky <bhju88@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:32:10 +1100, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 14 Mar 2024 at 10:34:23 GMT, "Andrew" <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13/03/2024 16:45, Spike wrote:
>>>>>>> Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> This just in for the gammons from a gammon-approved source:
>>>>>>>> https://www.gbnews.com/politics/brexit-news-civil-service
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The Brexit and the State report [...] describes the Brexit
>>>>>>>> project as "very much a work in progress", despite the UK having
>>>>>>>> voted to leave the EU nearly a decade ago. "
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good luck with the "work in progress"! By 2356, we'll finally
>>>>>>>> start cashing in the dividend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We gave the EEC/EC/EU every chance, we were financing small and
>>>>>>> inefficient French farms for 47 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Britain had plenty of farmers in that category for decades too. Most
>>>>>> of them have been replaced by 'hobby farmers' (do they still qualify
>>>>>> for area payments?) who have sold their grotty 2 bed flat in London
>>>>>> and become farmers (or moved to France and bought a Chateaux).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scotland still has small farmers, 'crofters'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No benefit cap on farmers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In 1970 a typical tractor was a David Brown 990 selectamatic, or
>>>>>> similar costing just over £1000.
>>>>
>>>>> Are they still in the tractor business?
>>>>
>>>> Nope
>>>>
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brown_Ltd.#Sale_of_David_Brown_Trac
>>> tors_to_Case_1972
>>>>
>>>>>> Now farmers seem to 'need' to own massive 4wd John Deere tractors,
>>>>>> where the cab costs many times more than a complete tractor did in
>>>>>> 1970.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't these have satnav-guidance so if they're towing a plough the
>>>>> tractor will plough exactly the required area including leaving the
>>>>> correct edge strip?
>>>>
>>>> Satnav isnt that accurate
>>> It is, but not the cheapo consumer stuff.
>>
>> And they have inertial guidance too.
>>
>> Tractors can plough to the width of a wheel track or better
>
> Not available for my ancient David Browns but I think accuracy now
> allows use for spraying where something better than 100mm is essential..
> Devices regularly stolen from tractors!

> I think they use a local relay system from a fixed mast.

That's DGPS

> Lots of blurb on line with some claiming 20mm accuracy!

Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> the UK gets to decide which EUians it allows to move to the UK

> I am interested in knowing which EUians the UK wants

Most obviously those with medical qualifications,
not just doctors, but also nurses and nurse's aids
etc for the geriatrics who can no longer wipe their
own arses or feed themselves etc

> and which not,

Most obviously romanian criminals.

> because in the minds of gammons we are all wogs

Corse you are, and dagos too.

> (both in the original and the Aussie sense of the term).

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 01:53:34 +1100, Ottavio Caruso
<ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Am 15/03/2024 um 14:31 schrieb Custos Custodum:
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:55:17 +0000, Ottavio Caruso
>> <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 14/03/2024 um 20:49 schrieb Rod Speed:
>>>> the UK gets to decide which EUians it allows to move to the UK
>>>
>>> I am interested in knowing which EUians the UK wants and which not,
>>> because in the minds of gammons we are all wogs (both in the original
>>> and the Aussie sense of the term).
>> But not Italians. You lot are "wops". Older gammons here might
>> remember the "Musso the Wop" cartoon strip in The Beano during WW2.
>> (Not me; I'm a "Boomer", so it was before my time.)
>> https://britishcomics.fandom.com/wiki/Musso_the_Wop

> So is wop better or worse that wog?

Both are very greasy.

> I am confused.

So what's new ?

> Didn't you guys use to lynch us all?

Beats you wogs/wops who were into burning at the stake.

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 02:42:31 +1100, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk>
wrote:

> On 15 Mar 2024 at 14:53:34 GMT, "Ottavio Caruso"
> <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Am 15/03/2024 um 14:31 schrieb Custos Custodum:
>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:55:17 +0000, Ottavio Caruso
>>> <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 14/03/2024 um 20:49 schrieb Rod Speed:
>>>>> the UK gets to decide which EUians it allows to move to the UK
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in knowing which EUians the UK wants and which not,
>>>> because in the minds of gammons we are all wogs (both in the original
>>>> and the Aussie sense of the term).
>>>
>>> But not Italians. You lot are "wops". Older gammons here might
>>> remember the "Musso the Wop" cartoon strip in The Beano during WW2.
>>> (Not me; I'm a "Boomer", so it was before my time.)
>>>
>>> https://britishcomics.fandom.com/wiki/Musso_the_Wop
>>
>> So is wop better or worse that wog? I am confused. Didn't you guys use
>> to lynch us all?
>
> Have you seen a doctor about your inferiority complex?

Only a bullet in the back of the neck can help with that.

Am 15/03/2024 um 18:15 schrieb Rod Speed:
> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 01:53:34 +1100, Ottavio Caruso
> <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Am 15/03/2024 um 14:31 schrieb Custos Custodum:
>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:55:17 +0000, Ottavio Caruso
>>> <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 14/03/2024 um 20:49 schrieb Rod Speed:
>>>>> the UK gets to decide which EUians it allows to move to the UK
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in knowing which EUians the UK wants and which not,
>>>> because in the minds of gammons we are all wogs (both in the original
>>>> and the Aussie sense of the term).
>>>   But not Italians. You lot are "wops". Older gammons here might
>>> remember the "Musso the Wop" cartoon strip in The Beano during WW2.
>>> (Not me; I'm a "Boomer", so it was before my time.)
>>>  https://britishcomics.fandom.com/wiki/Musso_the_Wop
>
>> So is wop better or worse that wog?
>
> Both are very greasy.
>
>> I am confused.
>
> So what's new ?
>
>> Didn't you guys use  to lynch us all?
>
> Beats you wogs/wops who were into burning at the stake.

Isn't your PM a wog? How do you deal with that?

--
Ottavio Caruso

Am 15/03/2024 um 18:17 schrieb Rod Speed:
> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 02:42:31 +1100, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 15 Mar 2024 at 14:53:34 GMT, "Ottavio Caruso"
>> <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 15/03/2024 um 14:31 schrieb Custos Custodum:
>>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:55:17 +0000, Ottavio Caruso
>>>> <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Am 14/03/2024 um 20:49 schrieb Rod Speed:
>>>>>> the UK gets to decide which EUians it allows to move to the UK
>>>>>
>>>>> I am interested in knowing which EUians the UK wants and which not,
>>>>> because in the minds of gammons we are all wogs (both in the original
>>>>> and the Aussie sense of the term).
>>>>
>>>> But not Italians. You lot are "wops". Older gammons here might
>>>> remember the "Musso the Wop" cartoon strip in The Beano during WW2.
>>>> (Not me; I'm a "Boomer", so it was before my time.)
>>>>
>>>> https://britishcomics.fandom.com/wiki/Musso_the_Wop
>>>
>>> So is wop better or worse that wog? I am confused. Didn't you guys use
>>> to lynch us all?
>>
>> Have you seen a doctor about your inferiority complex?
>
> Only a bullet in the back of the neck can help with that.

Whom are you advocating killing?

--
Ottavio Caruso