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From: tnp@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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by: The Natural Philosop - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:22 UTC

I bring you an absolutely contemporary Easter message...

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Cartoons%20and%20Politics/babycheeses.jpg

:-)
--
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by: David - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:23 UTC

On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:22:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I bring you an absolutely contemporary Easter message...
>
> http://vps.templar.co.uk/Cartoons%20and%20Politics/babycheeses.jpg
>
> :-)

Unsupported protocol

The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or
cipher suite.

--
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by: Andy Burns - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:39 UTC

David wrote:

> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> http://vps.templar.co.uk/Cartoons%20and%20Politics/babycheeses.jpg
>
> Unsupported protocol
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> The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or
> cipher suite.

It's a http:// URL, so why is your browser trying to use https:// ?

Besides that, the server is terribly weak when you do speak https:// to
it ...

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by: The Natural Philosop - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:40 UTC

On 29/03/2024 13:23, David wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:22:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> I bring you an absolutely contemporary Easter message...
>>
>> http://vps.templar.co.uk/Cartoons%20and%20Politics/babycheeses.jpg
>>
>> :-)
>
> Unsupported protocol
>
> The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or
> cipher suite.
>
>
No. Since there is no reason to use either.
It is unencrypted...
as in :
> http://....
etc.

--
Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle
more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump
their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the
battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is
that they are dead.
Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.

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Subject: Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,
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by: The Natural Philosop - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:43 UTC

On 29/03/2024 13:39, Andy Burns wrote:
> David wrote:
>
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> http://vps.templar.co.uk/Cartoons%20and%20Politics/babycheeses.jpg
>>
>> Unsupported protocol
>>
>> The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or
>> cipher suite.
>
> It's a http:// URL, so why is your browser trying to use https:// ?
>
> Besides that, the server is terribly weak when you do speak https:// to
> it ...
>
I wasn't aware that it responded to https at ALL.
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by: Andy Burns - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:52 UTC

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I wasn't aware that it responded to https at ALL.

Honestly, it would be best to block port 443 ...

run the ssllabs.com server test on it for chapter and verse

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by: The Natural Philosop - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:53 UTC

On 29/03/2024 13:52, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> I wasn't aware that it responded to https at ALL.
>
> Honestly, it would be best to block port 443 ...
>
I thought I had actually

> run the ssllabs.com server test on it for chapter and verse
>

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by: Tim Lamb - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 15:58 UTC

In message <uu6gd9$a7t1$4@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>On 29/03/2024 13:23, David wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:22:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> I bring you an absolutely contemporary Easter message...
>>>
>>> http://vps.templar.co.uk/Cartoons%20and%20Politics/babycheeses.jpg
>>>
>>> :-)
>> Unsupported protocol
>> The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or
>> cipher suite.
>>
>No. Since there is no reason to use either.
>It is unencrypted...
> as in :
>> http://....
>etc.

Ok. Here. Firefox tells me an https site is not available but runs
happily on http
>

--
Tim Lamb

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by: Joe - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 17:12 UTC

On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:39:01 +0000
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> David wrote:
>
> > The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >
> >> http://vps.templar.co.uk/Cartoons%20and%20Politics/babycheeses.jpg
> >>
> >
> > Unsupported protocol
> >
> > The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or
> > cipher suite.
>
> It's a http:// URL, so why is your browser trying to use https:// ?
>
>
Most servers these days only operate https and redirect http requests to
https, which is fairly trivial to do. Almost certainly, if you send an
http URL by mistake (or experiment) instead of https, the transaction
goes on in https without even bothering to point out the mistake. My
old links to http still work fine (in https) in most cases.

And encryption does move on, old versions get deprecated and then
dropped. Stop using Internet Explorer...

--
Joe

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by: The Natural Philosop - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 22:35 UTC

On 29/03/2024 17:12, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:39:01 +0000
> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>
>> David wrote:
>>
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://vps.templar.co.uk/Cartoons%20and%20Politics/babycheeses.jpg
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unsupported protocol
>>>
>>> The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or
>>> cipher suite.
>>
>> It's a http:// URL, so why is your browser trying to use https:// ?
>>
>>
> Most servers these days only operate https and redirect http requests to
> https, which is frairly trivial to do.

If you have the sever set up for https as well yes it is,
But its not usual for the CLENT to do that, unasked for

Almost certainly, if you send an
> http URL by mistake (or experiment) instead of https, the transaction
> goes on in https without even bothering to point out the mistake. My
> old links to http still work fine (in https) in most cases.
>
That is all true but not the issue here.

> And encryption does move on, old versions get deprecated and then
> dropped. Stop using Internet Explorer...
>

The moment you start using encryption, the issue of authentication rears
its ugly head: That site is at leats 15 years old and it would be a
paint to make it https when there is no need for it to be.

--
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urge to rule it.”
– H. L. Mencken

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by: Colin Bignell - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 23:01 UTC

On 29/03/2024 13:22, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> I bring you an absolutely contemporary Easter message...
>
> http://vps.templar.co.uk/Cartoons%20and%20Politics/babycheeses.jpg
>
> :-)

I like it. Pity I don't know anybody I can send it to who wouldn't
either ask who is Alexa or be offended by it.

--
Colin Bignell

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by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 09:18 UTC

On 29/03/2024 23:01, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 29/03/2024 13:22, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> I bring you an absolutely contemporary Easter message...
>>
>> http://vps.templar.co.uk/Cartoons%20and%20Politics/babycheeses.jpg
>>
>> :-)
>
> I like it. Pity I don't know anybody I can send it to who wouldn't
> either ask who is Alexa or be offended by it.
>
Offended? I cant think why...
--
To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.

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by: Clive Arthur - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 10:37 UTC

On 29/03/2024 13:22, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> I bring you an absolutely contemporary Easter message...
>
> http://vps.templar.co.uk/Cartoons%20and%20Politics/babycheeses.jpg
>
> :-)

I think originally based on a joke company name article in a 'New
Society' magazine, which also included the next-day delivery Scottish
fish company, 'Salmon rushed to Ye.'

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/06028319

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheeses...(of_Nazareth)

--
Cheers
Clive

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by: Max Demian - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 12:01 UTC

It's a picture. It doesn't have to have any SSL or https bollocks.
Things like that just encourage people to bypass all the security stuff
so they can get on with their lives. The same with annoying EU cookie
bollocks. Maybe we should have a referendum to leave the EU.

--
Max Demian

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by: Joe - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 14:12 UTC

On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 22:35:18 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 29/03/2024 17:12, Joe wrote:

> >>
> > Most servers these days only operate https and redirect http
> > requests to https, which is frairly trivial to do.
>
> If you have the sever set up for https as well yes it is,
> But its not usual for the CLENT to do that, unasked for
>

No, it won't, but the server gets an http request and returns a
redirect instruction to the client, accompanied by the correct https
URL.

Try it, use your bank's URL without the 's', and you will immediately
see your 'http' in the browser address bar replaced by 'https'. As I
said, most of the external links on my intranet home page are still
http, but they work.

Whether they *should* work is open to debate, like whether a DNS server
should return an A record when given a bare domain name. Most do,
returning the www A record.

--
Joe

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by: Joe - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 14:16 UTC

On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 22:35:18 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> >
>
> The moment you start using encryption, the issue of authentication
> rears its ugly head: That site is at leats 15 years old and it would
> be a paint to make it https when there is no need for it to be.
>
>

Currently Firefox, by default I think, will automatically change 'http'
to 'https'. That can be disabled. I'm assuming other current browsers
are similar.

--
Joe

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by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 18:19 UTC

On 30/03/2024 14:16, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 22:35:18 +0000
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>
>> The moment you start using encryption, the issue of authentication
>> rears its ugly head: That site is at leats 15 years old and it would
>> be a paint to make it https when there is no need for it to be.
>>
>>
>
> Currently Firefox, by default I think, will automatically change 'http'
> to 'https'. That can be disabled. I'm assuming other current browsers
> are similar.
>
Its disabled here. I don't remember doing it though.

--
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Mark Twain

Subject	Author
Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	David
Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	Andy Burns
Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	Andy Burns
Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	Joe
Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	Joe
Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	Joe
Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	Tim Lamb
Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	Max Demian
Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	Colin Bignell
Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Amidst the furore over Ramadan and Easter,	Clive Arthur