On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 23:26:16 UTC+1, Rosemary Miskin wrote:
> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 11:15:45 PM UTC+1, Kate B wrote:

<snipped>

> > Also, that Penny Mordaunt has biceps of steel and the King's Groom of
> > the Robes is absolutely gorgeous.
> +1

I am not such a connoisseur of kilt-wearers' knees as you two young ladies are, but I agree that Ms Mordaunt had scrubbed up well.

Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 23:26:16 UTC+1, Rosemary Miskin wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 11:15:45 PM UTC+1, Kate B wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
>>> Also, that Penny Mordaunt has biceps of steel and the King's Groom of
>>> the Robes is absolutely gorgeous.
>> +1
>
> I am not such a connoisseur of kilt-wearers' knees as you two young
> ladies are, but I agree that Ms Mordaunt had scrubbed up well.
>

I have not seen any of the event(s) referred to above (which of course,
means, in UMRA, that I am more than qualified to comment on them) so I
would just like to mention that men wear Kilts and ladies wear Kilted
Skirts. THBAPSAFAWDAK.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

In message <u3l1iv$1gt0q$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 12 May 2023 09:40:47,
Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 23:26:16 UTC+1, Rosemary Miskin wrote:
>>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 11:15:450 >>
>> <snipped>
>>
>>>> Also, that Penny Mordaunt has biceps of steel and the King's Groom of
>>>> the Robes is absolutely gorgeous.
>>> +1
>>
>> I am not such a connoisseur of kilt-wearers' knees as you two young
>> ladies are, but I agree that Ms Mordaunt had scrubbed up well.
>>
>
>I have not seen any of the event(s) referred to above (which of course,
>means, in UMRA, that I am more than qualified to comment on them) so I
>would just like to mention that men wear Kilts and ladies wear Kilted
>Skirts. THBAPSAFAWDAK.
>
(I can't crack the AWDAK bit!) What makes "kilted": just looking
like/accompanying a kilt, or the fabric, or the pleating, or what?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Less rules means fewer grammar? - Marjorie in UMRA, 2014-1-28 13:14

On 12/05/2023 11:18, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>
>> I have not seen any of the event(s) referred to above (which of course,
>> means, in UMRA, that I am more than qualified to comment on them) so I
>> would just like to mention that men wear Kilts and ladies wear Kilted
>> Skirts. THBAPSAFAWDAK.
>>
> (I can't crack the AWDAK bit!)

I would have said (from) A Woman Daft About Kilts, but for the post
coming from a man!

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <u3l1iv$1gt0q$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 12 May 2023 09:40:47,
> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>> Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 23:26:16 UTC+1, Rosemary Miskin wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 11:15:450 >>
>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>>>> Also, that Penny Mordaunt has biceps of steel and the King's Groom of
>>>>> the Robes is absolutely gorgeous.
>>>> +1
>>>
>>> I am not such a connoisseur of kilt-wearers' knees as you two young
>>> ladies are, but I agree that Ms Mordaunt had scrubbed up well.
>>>
>>
>> I have not seen any of the event(s) referred to above (which of course,
>> means, in UMRA, that I am more than qualified to comment on them) so I
>> would just like to mention that men wear Kilts and ladies wear Kilted
>> Skirts. THBAPSAFAWDAK.
>>
> (I can't crack the AWDAK bit!) What makes "kilted": just looking
> like/accompanying a kilt, or the fabric, or the pleating, or what?

‘This has been a public service announcement for anyone who didn’t already
know’.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Fri, 12 May 2023 11:18:26 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
gribouillé dans la poussière...

>In message <u3l1iv$1gt0q$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 12 May 2023 09:40:47,
>Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 23:26:16 UTC+1, Rosemary Miskin wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 11:15:450 >>
>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>>>> Also, that Penny Mordaunt has biceps of steel and the King's Groom of
>>>>> the Robes is absolutely gorgeous.
>>>> +1
>>>
>>> I am not such a connoisseur of kilt-wearers' knees as you two young
>>> ladies are, but I agree that Ms Mordaunt had scrubbed up well.
>>>
>>
>>I have not seen any of the event(s) referred to above (which of course,
>>means, in UMRA, that I am more than qualified to comment on them) so I
>>would just like to mention that men wear Kilts and ladies wear Kilted
>>Skirts. THBAPSAFAWDAK.
>>
>(I can't crack the AWDAK bit!) What makes "kilted": just looking
>like/accompanying a kilt, or the fabric, or the pleating, or what?

A kilted skirt as made by my mother for me, had flat overlapping panels on
the front. Held closed at the top with a little bit of leather belt on the
outer edge on the left into a buckle, probably recycled from a shoe, and a
popper on the inside. On the lower left the flap had a kilt pin. The back
of the skirt was pleated (easy to do on a small tartan weave) into a
waistband. It was rather splendid in Lord of the Isles.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <u3l1iv$1gt0q$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 12 May 2023 09:40:47,
> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>> Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 23:26:16 UTC+1, Rosemary Miskin wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 11:15:450 >>
>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>>>> Also, that Penny Mordaunt has biceps of steel and the King's Groom of
>>>>> the Robes is absolutely gorgeous.
>>>> +1
>>>
>>> I am not such a connoisseur of kilt-wearers' knees as you two young
>>> ladies are, but I agree that Ms Mordaunt had scrubbed up well.
>>>
>>
>> I have not seen any of the event(s) referred to above (which of course,
>> means, in UMRA, that I am more than qualified to comment on them) so I
>> would just like to mention that men wear Kilts and ladies wear Kilted
>> Skirts. THBAPSAFAWDAK.
>>
> (I can't crack the AWDAK bit!) What makes "kilted": just looking
> like/accompanying a kilt, or the fabric, or the pleating, or what?

The ladies version is a wrap round skirt. I have (may have disposed of it
recently as it hasn’t fitted for many years ) a skirt made to measure in
the McMillan clan colours, and it needed a big safety pin to keep me decent
or a breeze would have revealed what ladies wear under “kilts”.

Mrs McT

Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> In message <u3l1iv$1gt0q$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 12 May 2023 09:40:47,
>> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>> Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 23:26:16 UTC+1, Rosemary Miskin wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 11:15:450 >>
>>>> <snipped>
>>>>
>>>>>> Also, that Penny Mordaunt has biceps of steel and the King's Groom of
>>>>>> the Robes is absolutely gorgeous.
>>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> I am not such a connoisseur of kilt-wearers' knees as you two young
>>>> ladies are, but I agree that Ms Mordaunt had scrubbed up well.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have not seen any of the event(s) referred to above (which of course,
>>> means, in UMRA, that I am more than qualified to comment on them) so I
>>> would just like to mention that men wear Kilts and ladies wear Kilted
>>> Skirts. THBAPSAFAWDAK.
>>>
>> (I can't crack the AWDAK bit!) What makes "kilted": just looking
>> like/accompanying a kilt, or the fabric, or the pleating, or what?
>
> The ladies version is a wrap round skirt. I have (may have disposed of it
> recently as it hasn’t fitted for many years ) a skirt made to measure in
> the McMillan clan colours, and it needed a big safety pin to keep me decent
> or a breeze would have revealed what ladies wear under “kilts”.
>
> Mrs McT
>
>

The skirt is no more. :)

Mrs McT

On Fri, 12 May 2023 15:04:43 +0100, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

>A kilted skirt as made by my mother for me, had flat overlapping panels on
>the front. Held closed at the top with a little bit of leather belt on the
>outer edge on the left into a buckle, probably recycled from a shoe, and a
>popper on the inside. On the lower left the flap had a kilt pin. The back
>of the skirt was pleated (easy to do on a small tartan weave) into a
>waistband. It was rather splendid in Lord of the Isles.

That's interesting. I didn't realise that kilted skirts are "back to
front" from kilts, where the open edge of the apron, and the kilt pin,
are on the wearer's right.

I got my (second) kilt when I was 13. My mother, with an eye to the
future, and economy, specified large hems top and bottom. The tartan -
no prizes for guessing which - had to be woven specially. I last wore
it when I was 37, after which point it unaccountably shrank around the
waist. My nephew now has it.

Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 May 2023 11:18:26 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
> gribouillé dans la poussière...
>
>> In message <u3l1iv$1gt0q$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 12 May 2023 09:40:47,
>> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>> Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 23:26:16 UTC+1, Rosemary Miskin wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 11:15:450 >>
>>>> <snipped>
>>>>
>>>>>> Also, that Penny Mordaunt has biceps of steel and the King's Groom of
>>>>>> the Robes is absolutely gorgeous.
>>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> I am not such a connoisseur of kilt-wearers' knees as you two young
>>>> ladies are, but I agree that Ms Mordaunt had scrubbed up well.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have not seen any of the event(s) referred to above (which of course,
>>> means, in UMRA, that I am more than qualified to comment on them) so I
>>> would just like to mention that men wear Kilts and ladies wear Kilted
>>> Skirts. THBAPSAFAWDAK.
>>>
>> (I can't crack the AWDAK bit!) What makes "kilted": just looking
>> like/accompanying a kilt, or the fabric, or the pleating, or what?
>
> A kilted skirt as made by my mother for me, had flat overlapping panels on
> the front. Held closed at the top with a little bit of leather belt on the
> outer edge on the left into a buckle, probably recycled from a shoe, and a
> popper on the inside. On the lower left the flap had a kilt pin. The back
> of the skirt was pleated (easy to do on a small tartan weave) into a
> waistband. It was rather splendid in Lord of the Isles.

Perfect description Penny. Mine was the McMillan dress tartan: sunshine
yellow, maroon and dark green. No way was I wearing the hunting tartan.
McT also had a fetching orange and yellow tie. I think we long since sent
the ties packing as he so rarely wears a smart shirt.

The book I have on tartans is scarce now. Let’s see if I can find the
tartans on line.

Mrs McT

Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <u3l1iv$1gt0q$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 12 May 2023 09:40:47,
>>> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>>> Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 23:26:16 UTC+1, Rosemary Miskin wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 11:15:450 >>
>>>>> <snipped>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, that Penny Mordaunt has biceps of steel and the King's Groom of
>>>>>>> the Robes is absolutely gorgeous.
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not such a connoisseur of kilt-wearers' knees as you two young
>>>>> ladies are, but I agree that Ms Mordaunt had scrubbed up well.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have not seen any of the event(s) referred to above (which of course,
>>>> means, in UMRA, that I am more than qualified to comment on them) so I
>>>> would just like to mention that men wear Kilts and ladies wear Kilted
>>>> Skirts. THBAPSAFAWDAK.
>>>>
>>> (I can't crack the AWDAK bit!) What makes "kilted": just looking
>>> like/accompanying a kilt, or the fabric, or the pleating, or what?
>>
>> The ladies version is a wrap round skirt. I have (may have disposed of it
>> recently as it hasn’t fitted for many years ) a skirt made to measure in
>> the McMillan clan colours, and it needed a big safety pin to keep me decent
>> or a breeze would have revealed what ladies wear under “kilts”.
>>
>> Mrs McT
>>
>>
>
> The skirt is no more. :)
>
> Mrs McT
>
>

https://www.gretnagreen.com/index.php?option=shop&page=shop.product_details&product_id=1239&l=uk&pid=1239&gad=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw6vyiBhB_EiwAQJRopmjbOQ9P_K_pFaa1qww6ougZszM3u6Zw2q8UFm5K8GVYr9qrFm-z2RoCDvUQAvD_BwE.

That’s my kilt tartan!

John Armstrong <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 May 2023 15:04:43 +0100, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> A kilted skirt as made by my mother for me, had flat overlapping panels on
>> the front. Held closed at the top with a little bit of leather belt on the
>> outer edge on the left into a buckle, probably recycled from a shoe, and a
>> popper on the inside. On the lower left the flap had a kilt pin. The back
>> of the skirt was pleated (easy to do on a small tartan weave) into a
>> waistband. It was rather splendid in Lord of the Isles.
>
> That's interesting. I didn't realise that kilted skirts are "back to
> front" from kilts, where the open edge of the apron, and the kilt pin,
> are on the wearer's right.
>
> I got my (second) kilt when I was 13. My mother, with an eye to the
> future, and economy, specified large hems top and bottom. The tartan -
> no prizes for guessing which - had to be woven specially. I last wore
> it when I was 37, after which point it unaccountably shrank around the
> waist. My nephew now has it.
>

The middle one is his tie (McMillan the Squirrel, he still has both ties)

Mrs McT

On 12/05/2023 22:35, Chris wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> In message <u3l1iv$1gt0q$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 12 May 2023 09:40:47,
>> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>> Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 23:26:16 UTC+1, Rosemary Miskin wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 11:15:450 >>
>>>> <snipped>
>>>>
>>>>>> Also, that Penny Mordaunt has biceps of steel and the King's Groom of
>>>>>> the Robes is absolutely gorgeous.
>>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> I am not such a connoisseur of kilt-wearers' knees as you two young
>>>> ladies are, but I agree that Ms Mordaunt had scrubbed up well.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have not seen any of the event(s) referred to above (which of course,
>>> means, in UMRA, that I am more than qualified to comment on them) so I
>>> would just like to mention that men wear Kilts and ladies wear Kilted
>>> Skirts. THBAPSAFAWDAK.
>>>
>> (I can't crack the AWDAK bit!) What makes "kilted": just looking
>> like/accompanying a kilt, or the fabric, or the pleating, or what?
>
> The ladies version is a wrap round skirt. I have (may have disposed of it
> recently as it hasn’t fitted for many years ) a skirt made to measure in
> the McMillan clan colours, and it needed a big safety pin to keep me decent
> or a breeze would have revealed what ladies wear under “kilts”.
>
> Mrs McT
>

Nothing is worn under the kilt, it'a all in perfect working order.

john(well, somebody had to say it)

On Sat, 13 May 2023 09:18:27 +0100, John Armstrong <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> a
gribouillé dans la poussière...

>On Fri, 12 May 2023 15:04:43 +0100, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>A kilted skirt as made by my mother for me, had flat overlapping panels on
>>the front. Held closed at the top with a little bit of leather belt on the
>>outer edge on the left into a buckle, probably recycled from a shoe, and a
>>popper on the inside. On the lower left the flap had a kilt pin. The back
>>of the skirt was pleated (easy to do on a small tartan weave) into a
>>waistband. It was rather splendid in Lord of the Isles.
>
>That's interesting. I didn't realise that kilted skirts are "back to
>front" from kilts, where the open edge of the apron, and the kilt pin,
>are on the wearer's right.

Oh, I may have got the left and right confused (it was a long time ago and
I can't find a photo). But given that clothes for males and females usually
button on opposite sides, I could be right.

>I got my (second) kilt when I was 13. My mother, with an eye to the
>future, and economy, specified large hems top and bottom.

Wise (and frugal) woman, though large hems on a pleated garment would be
very bulky. I didn't think kilts had much of a hem at all.

My mother bought he tweed from somewhere in the Hebrides.

--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On Sat, 13 May 2023 08:17:31 -0000 (UTC), Chris
<chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <u3l1iv$1gt0q$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 12 May 2023 09:40:47,
>>> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>>> Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 23:26:16 UTC+1, Rosemary Miskin wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 11:15:450 >>
>>>>> <snipped>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, that Penny Mordaunt has biceps of steel and the King's Groom of
>>>>>>> the Robes is absolutely gorgeous.
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not such a connoisseur of kilt-wearers' knees as you two young
>>>>> ladies are, but I agree that Ms Mordaunt had scrubbed up well.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have not seen any of the event(s) referred to above (which of course,
>>>> means, in UMRA, that I am more than qualified to comment on them) so I
>>>> would just like to mention that men wear Kilts and ladies wear Kilted
>>>> Skirts. THBAPSAFAWDAK.
>>>>
>>> (I can't crack the AWDAK bit!) What makes "kilted": just looking
>>> like/accompanying a kilt, or the fabric, or the pleating, or what?
>>
>> The ladies version is a wrap round skirt. I have (may have disposed of it
>> recently as it hasn’t fitted for many years ) a skirt made to measure in
>> the McMillan clan colours, and it needed a big safety pin to keep me decent
>> or a breeze would have revealed what ladies wear under “kilts”.
>>
>> Mrs McT
>>
>>
>
>The skirt is no more. :)
>
>Mrs McT

I had a McM&S tartan.It was soft greenish and I had the kilt and a
jacket in similar but plain green. A bit bomber jacket style. I had it
when the daughters went to City of London Girls school as I had to go
to parents' evenings. I felt I should look very respectable. I
wandered round looking for the first child's teachers and asked one
lady who she was and she was the head.

9 years later (2 years between daughters) second child got her A level
certificates from ..I forget which celebrity..ina greenish suit of
similar green.

On 13/05/2023 09:47, Penny wrote:
> Oh, I may have got the left and right confused (it was a long time ago and
> I can't find a photo). But given that clothes for males and females usually
> button on opposite sides, I could be right.

You are right. I had one just like that. In fact, I was wearing it the
day I went to Grannie's house for a piano lesson with my aunt and
Grannie said "I hear your mother has Auntie Kai coming for elevenses
this morning. Let me see if what you are wearing is suitable." It was
deemed so. I went home, burst in on Mum and Auntie Kai in the lounge
and said "Guess what Grannie said! ..." Auntie Kai said "think it's
very suitable, dear." I bet my mother was mortified.

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

On 13/05/2023 09:22, Chris wrote:
> The book I have on tartans is scarce now.

Is it quite small with a blue cover? I remember the one my parents had,
though I have no idea why they had it as we have no Scots blood, though
my father was in the Liverpool Scottish Regiment for a while and there
are pictures of him in both kilt and trews - not at the same time!

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 9:13:52 AM UTC, Vicky wrote:
> On Sat, 13 May 2023 08:17:31 -0000 (UTC), Chris
> <chris.m...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >Chris <chris.m...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >> J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
> >>> In message <u3l1iv$1gt0q$1...@dont-email.me> at Fri, 12 May 2023 09:40:47,
> >>> Mike McMillan <toodl...@virginmedia.com> writes
> >>>> Tony Smith <agsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 23:26:16 UTC+1, Rosemary Miskin wrote:
> >>>>>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 11:15:450 >>
> >>>>> <snipped>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Also, that Penny Mordaunt has biceps of steel and the King's Groom of
> >>>>>>> the Robes is absolutely gorgeous.
> >>>>>> +1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am not such a connoisseur of kilt-wearers' knees as you two young
> >>>>> ladies are, but I agree that Ms Mordaunt had scrubbed up well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I have not seen any of the event(s) referred to above (which of course,
> >>>> means, in UMRA, that I am more than qualified to comment on them) so I
> >>>> would just like to mention that men wear Kilts and ladies wear Kilted
> >>>> Skirts. THBAPSAFAWDAK.
> >>>>
> >>> (I can't crack the AWDAK bit!) What makes "kilted": just looking
> >>> like/accompanying a kilt, or the fabric, or the pleating, or what?
> >>
> >> The ladies version is a wrap round skirt. I have (may have disposed of it
> >> recently as it hasn’t fitted for many years ) a skirt made to measure in
> >> the McMillan clan colours, and it needed a big safety pin to keep me decent
> >> or a breeze would have revealed what ladies wear under “kilts”.
> >>
> >> Mrs McT
> >>
> >>
> >
> >The skirt is no more. :)
> >
> >Mrs McT
> I had a McM&S tartan.It was soft greenish and I had the kilt and a
> jacket in similar but plain green. A bit bomber jacket style. I had it
> when the daughters went to City of London Girls school as I had to go
> to parents' evenings. I felt I should look very respectable. I
> wandered round looking for the first child's teachers and asked one
> lady who she was and she was the head.
>
> 9 years later (2 years between daughters) second child got her A level
> certificates from ..I forget which celebrity..ina greenish suit of
> similar green.

McM&S. Are you talking about the clan of St Michael or am I missing something here?

Nick

Nick Odell <nickodell@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 9:13:52 AM UTC, Vicky wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 May 2023 08:17:31 -0000 (UTC), Chris
>> <chris.m...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris <chris.m...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <u3l1iv$1gt0q$1...@dont-email.me> at Fri, 12 May 2023 09:40:47,
>>>>> Mike McMillan <toodl...@virginmedia.com> writes
>>>>>> Tony Smith <agsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 23:26:16 UTC+1, Rosemary Miskin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 11:15:450 >>
>>>>>>> <snipped>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, that Penny Mordaunt has biceps of steel and the King's Groom of
>>>>>>>>> the Robes is absolutely gorgeous.
>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not such a connoisseur of kilt-wearers' knees as you two young
>>>>>>> ladies are, but I agree that Ms Mordaunt had scrubbed up well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have not seen any of the event(s) referred to above (which of course,
>>>>>> means, in UMRA, that I am more than qualified to comment on them) so I
>>>>>> would just like to mention that men wear Kilts and ladies wear Kilted
>>>>>> Skirts. THBAPSAFAWDAK.
>>>>>>
>>>>> (I can't crack the AWDAK bit!) What makes "kilted": just looking
>>>>> like/accompanying a kilt, or the fabric, or the pleating, or what?
>>>>
>>>> The ladies version is a wrap round skirt. I have (may have disposed of it
>>>> recently as it hasn’t fitted for many years ) a skirt made to measure in
>>>> the McMillan clan colours, and it needed a big safety pin to keep me decent
>>>> or a breeze would have revealed what ladies wear under “kilts”.
>>>>
>>>> Mrs McT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The skirt is no more. :)
>>>
>>> Mrs McT
>> I had a McM&S tartan.It was soft greenish and I had the kilt and a
>> jacket in similar but plain green. A bit bomber jacket style. I had it
>> when the daughters went to City of London Girls school as I had to go
>> to parents' evenings. I felt I should look very respectable. I
>> wandered round looking for the first child's teachers and asked one
>> lady who she was and she was the head.
>>
>> 9 years later (2 years between daughters) second child got her A level
>> certificates from ..I forget which celebrity..ina greenish suit of
>> similar green.
>
> McM&S. Are you talking about the clan of St Michael or am I missing something here?
>
> Nick
>

Never knowingly under sewn?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Sat, 13 May 2023 10:11:24 +0100, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> a
gribouillé dans la poussière...

>I had a McM&S tartan.It was soft greenish and I had the kilt and a
>jacket in similar but plain green.

Lord of the Isles is various shades of green. My mother seemed to think it
was suitable given my heritage - lots of Campbells on her side. Which is
odd, because I just looked it up and MacDonald was mentioned. Maybe she
referred to the paternal line.

Not something I've ever looked into - isn't it largely Victorian fakery and
tourist conning?
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On Sat, 13 May 2023 13:04:44 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
<toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:

>Nick Odell <nickodell@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 9:13:52?AM UTC, Vicky wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 May 2023 08:17:31 -0000 (UTC), Chris
>>> <chris.m...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris <chris.m...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <u3l1iv$1gt0q$1...@dont-email.me> at Fri, 12 May 2023 09:40:47,
>>>>>> Mike McMillan <toodl...@virginmedia.com> writes
>>>>>>> Tony Smith <agsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 23:26:16 UTC+1, Rosemary Miskin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 11:15:450 >>
>>>>>>>> <snipped>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, that Penny Mordaunt has biceps of steel and the King's Groom of
>>>>>>>>>> the Robes is absolutely gorgeous.
>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not such a connoisseur of kilt-wearers' knees as you two young
>>>>>>>> ladies are, but I agree that Ms Mordaunt had scrubbed up well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have not seen any of the event(s) referred to above (which of course,
>>>>>>> means, in UMRA, that I am more than qualified to comment on them) so I
>>>>>>> would just like to mention that men wear Kilts and ladies wear Kilted
>>>>>>> Skirts. THBAPSAFAWDAK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> (I can't crack the AWDAK bit!) What makes "kilted": just looking
>>>>>> like/accompanying a kilt, or the fabric, or the pleating, or what?
>>>>>
>>>>> The ladies version is a wrap round skirt. I have (may have disposed of it
>>>>> recently as it hasn’t fitted for many years ) a skirt made to measure in
>>>>> the McMillan clan colours, and it needed a big safety pin to keep me decent
>>>>> or a breeze would have revealed what ladies wear under “kilts”.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mrs McT
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The skirt is no more. :)
>>>>
>>>> Mrs McT
>>> I had a McM&S tartan.It was soft greenish and I had the kilt and a
>>> jacket in similar but plain green. A bit bomber jacket style. I had it
>>> when the daughters went to City of London Girls school as I had to go
>>> to parents' evenings. I felt I should look very respectable. I
>>> wandered round looking for the first child's teachers and asked one
>>> lady who she was and she was the head.
>>>
>>> 9 years later (2 years between daughters) second child got her A level
>>> certificates from ..I forget which celebrity..ina greenish suit of
>>> similar green.
>>
>> McM&S. Are you talking about the clan of St Michael or am I missing something here?
>>
>> Nick
>>
>
>Never knowingly under sewn?

Yes St Micheal :) They counted as classy to me then.

On 12-May-23 10:40, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 23:26:16 UTC+1, Rosemary Miskin wrote:
>>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 11:15:45 PM UTC+1, Kate B wrote:
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>>>> Also, that Penny Mordaunt has biceps of steel and the King's Groom of
>>>> the Robes is absolutely gorgeous.
>>> +1
>>
>> I am not such a connoisseur of kilt-wearers' knees as you two young
>> ladies are, but I agree that Ms Mordaunt had scrubbed up well.
>>
>
> I have not seen any of the event(s) referred to above (which of course,
> means, in UMRA, that I am more than qualified to comment on them) so I
> would just like to mention that men wear Kilts and ladies wear Kilted
> Skirts. THBAPSAFAWDAK.

So, [1] if someone with XX chromosomes got hold of a kilt, and dared to
slip into it... does the kilt undergo some radical change in its nature,
becoming a 'Kilted Skirt'?

How about if some gender-fluid individual grappled with the garment?

It's all too too terribly complicated.

[1] Don't you just hate it when someone starts a sentence with "So,..."?

--
Sam Plusnet

On 13-May-23 10:11, Vicky wrote:

> I had a McM&S tartan.It was soft greenish and I had the kilt and a
> jacket in similar but plain green. A bit bomber jacket style.

Aha!

In Bomber Harris tweed I imagine.

--
Sam Plusnet

Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 12-May-23 10:40, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 23:26:16 UTC+1, Rosemary Miskin wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 11:15:45 PM UTC+1, Kate B wrote:
>>>
>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>>>> Also, that Penny Mordaunt has biceps of steel and the King's Groom of
>>>>> the Robes is absolutely gorgeous.
>>>> +1
>>>
>>> I am not such a connoisseur of kilt-wearers' knees as you two young
>>> ladies are, but I agree that Ms Mordaunt had scrubbed up well.
>>>
>>
>> I have not seen any of the event(s) referred to above (which of course,
>> means, in UMRA, that I am more than qualified to comment on them) so I
>> would just like to mention that men wear Kilts and ladies wear Kilted
>> Skirts. THBAPSAFAWDAK.
>
> So, [1] if someone with XX chromosomes got hold of a kilt, and dared to
> slip into it... does the kilt undergo some radical change in its nature,
> becoming a 'Kilted Skirt'?
>
> How about if some gender-fluid individual grappled with the garment?
>
> It's all too too terribly complicated.
>
> [1] Don't you just hate it when someone starts a sentence with "So,..."?
>
>
>
>

But it is not as bad as starting a sentence with ‘But’.
And I think starting a sentence with ‘And’ is a poor show too.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

..
>
> So, [1] if someone with XX chromosomes got hold of a kilt, and dared to
> slip into it... does the kilt undergo some radical change in its nature,
> becoming a 'Kilted Skirt'?
>
> How about if some gender-fluid individual grappled with the garment?
>
> It's all too too terribly complicated.
>
> [1] Don't you just hate it when someone starts a sentence with "So,..."?
>
>
>
I do. It seems to have replaced "Well...."
Steve