Note that spoilers are included below the cast and crew.

Cast :
Helen Archer - Louiza Patikas
Pat Archer - Patricia Gallimore
Tom Archer - William Troughton
Tony Archer - David Troughton
Harrison Burns - James Cartwright
Neil Carter - Brian Hewlett
Susan Carter - Charlotte Martin
Ed Grundy - Barry Farrimond
Emma Grundy - Emerald O'Hanrahan
George Grundy - Angus Stobie
Will Grundy - Philip Molloy
Tracy Horrobin - Susie Riddell
Jazzer McCreary - Ryan Kelly
Kirsty Miller - Annabelle Dowler
Hannah Riley - Helen Longworth
Fallon Rogers - Joanna Van Kampen
Lynda Snell - Carole Boyd
Miles Titchener - Adam Astill

Writer : Naylah Ahmed
Director : Pip Swallow
Editor : Jeremy Howe

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Spoilers:
Sunday 16th - Kirsty attempts to keep a cool head, and Jazzer is brought
back to earth with a bump.
Monday 17th - Helen finds herself cornered, and George ends up fighting
a losing battle.
Tuesday 18th - Tempers flare at Bridge Farm, and Emma goes for the jugular.
Wednesday 19th - Neil struggles to hold his tongue, and Helen faces a
dilemma.
Thursday 20th - George goes too far, with shocking consequences, and
Fallon has a cunning plan.
Friday 21st - Tony struggles with his emotions, and Harrison tries to
find the right words.
 

--
CaroleT

On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 17:04:04 +0100, carolet <carolet.umrat@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Note that spoilers are included below the cast and crew.
>
>Cast :
>Helen Archer - Louiza Patikas
>Pat Archer - Patricia Gallimore
>Tom Archer - William Troughton
>Tony Archer - David Troughton
>Harrison Burns - James Cartwright
>Neil Carter - Brian Hewlett
>Susan Carter - Charlotte Martin
>Ed Grundy - Barry Farrimond
>Emma Grundy - Emerald O'Hanrahan
>George Grundy - Angus Stobie
>Will Grundy - Philip Molloy
>Tracy Horrobin - Susie Riddell
>Jazzer McCreary - Ryan Kelly
>Kirsty Miller - Annabelle Dowler
>Hannah Riley - Helen Longworth
>Fallon Rogers - Joanna Van Kampen
>Lynda Snell - Carole Boyd
>Miles Titchener - Adam Astill
>
>Writer : Naylah Ahmed
>Director : Pip Swallow
>Editor : Jeremy Howe
>
>S
>
>P
>
>O
>
>I
>
>L
>
>E
>
>R
>
>S
>
>Spoilers:
>Sunday 16th - Kirsty attempts to keep a cool head, and Jazzer is brought
>back to earth with a bump.

Stopped by the police while on their honeymoon and find they are not
insured to drive the Riley. Jim forgot to transfer the insurance when
he gave them the car.

>Monday 17th - Helen finds herself cornered, and George ends up fighting
>a losing battle.
>Tuesday 18th - Tempers flare at Bridge Farm, and Emma goes for the jugular.
>Wednesday 19th - Neil struggles to hold his tongue, and Helen faces a
>dilemma.
>Thursday 20th - George goes too far, with shocking consequences, and
>Fallon has a cunning plan.
>Friday 21st - Tony struggles with his emotions, and Harrison tries to
>find the right words.
>?
---
Pete.

In message <5opsai5sbsg8qbksgvum0nei1898qlhfnk@4ax.com> at Wed, 12 Jul
2023 09:46:18, Pete W <pete@never.here> writes
>On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 17:04:04 +0100, carolet <carolet.umrat@gmail.com>
>wrote:
[]
>>
>>S
>>
>>P
>>
>>O
>>
>>I
>>
>>L
>>
>>E
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>>R
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>>S
>>
>>Spoilers:
>>Sunday 16th - Kirsty attempts to keep a cool head, and Jazzer is brought
>>back to earth with a bump.
>
>Stopped by the police while on their honeymoon and find they are not
>insured to drive the Riley. Jim forgot to transfer the insurance when
>he gave them the car.

Or - wrinkle I hadn't thought of! - he did, but she was driving, and
he'd transferred it to "Mr. & Mrs. McCreary". Which she isn't.

(Or something else that falls foul of that fact.)
>
>>Monday 17th - Helen finds herself cornered, and George ends up fighting
>>a losing battle.
>>Tuesday 18th - Tempers flare at Bridge Farm, and Emma goes for the jugular.
>>Wednesday 19th - Neil struggles to hold his tongue, and Helen faces a
>>dilemma.
>>Thursday 20th - George goes too far, with shocking consequences, and

Good, as long as they're for him, not for someone else )-:.

>>Fallon has a cunning plan.

As cunning as ... (-:

>>Friday 21st - Tony struggles with his emotions, and Harrison tries to
>>find the right words.

"No, Tony, I don't swing that way, really."
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If, after hearing my songs, just one human being is inspired to say something
nasty to a friend, or perhaps to strike a loved one, it will all have been
worth the while. - Liner notes, "Songs & More Songs By Tom Lehrer", Rhino
Records, 1997.

On 12/07/2023 13:46, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <5opsai5sbsg8qbksgvum0nei1898qlhfnk@4ax.com> at Wed, 12 Jul
> 2023 09:46:18, Pete W <pete@never.here> writes

>>
>> Stopped by the police while on their honeymoon and find they are not
>> insured to drive the Riley. Jim forgot to transfer the insurance when
>> he gave them the car.
>
> Or - wrinkle I hadn't thought of! - he did, but she was driving, and
> he'd transferred it to "Mr. & Mrs. McCreary". Which she isn't.
>

*Can* you simply transfer insurance just like that? I thought you had to
get your own insurance, as individual risk factors are all different. Am
just about to renew my own and I have to confirm all sorts of details.

--
Kate B

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC, Kate B wrote:
> On 12/07/2023 13:46, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> > In message <5opsai5sbsg8qbksg...@4ax.com> at Wed, 12 Jul
> > 2023 09:46:18, Pete W <pe...@never.here> writes
>
> >>
> >> Stopped by the police while on their honeymoon and find they are not
> >> insured to drive the Riley. Jim forgot to transfer the insurance when
> >> he gave them the car.
> >
> > Or - wrinkle I hadn't thought of! - he did, but she was driving, and
> > he'd transferred it to "Mr. & Mrs. McCreary". Which she isn't.
> >
> *Can* you simply transfer insurance just like that? I thought you had to
> get your own insurance, as individual risk factors are all different. Am
> just about to renew my own and I have to confirm all sorts of details.

Can you still get "Any Driver" insurance policies? It's such a long time since I've owned a car, I really don't know what's available nowadays.

Nick
nickodell49@yahoo.ca

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 06:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Nick Odell wrote:

> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC, Kate B wrote:
>> On 12/07/2023 13:46, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> > In message <5opsai5sbsg8qbksg...@4ax.com> at Wed, 12 Jul 2023
>> > 09:46:18, Pete W <pe...@never.here> writes
>>
>>
>> >> Stopped by the police while on their honeymoon and find they are not
>> >> insured to drive the Riley. Jim forgot to transfer the insurance
>> >> when he gave them the car.
>> >
>> > Or - wrinkle I hadn't thought of! - he did, but she was driving, and
>> > he'd transferred it to "Mr. & Mrs. McCreary". Which she isn't.
>> >
>> *Can* you simply transfer insurance just like that? I thought you had
>> to get your own insurance, as individual risk factors are all
>> different. Am just about to renew my own and I have to confirm all
>> sorts of details.
>
> Can you still get "Any Driver" insurance policies? It's such a long time
> since I've owned a car, I really don't know what's available nowadays.

My comprehensive policy gives me legal minimum cover in any car being
driven with permission of the owner, which I would assume is quite common.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

In message <kh7qacFprb8U2@mid.individual.net> at Wed, 12 Jul 2023
14:06:04, Jim Easterbrook <news@jim-easterbrook.me.uk> writes
>On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 06:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Nick Odell wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 1:40:110 >>> On 12/07/2023 13:46, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> > In message <5opsai5sbsg8qbksg...@4ax.com> at Wed, 12 Jul 2023
>>> > 09:46:18, Pete W <pe...@never.here> writes
>>>
>>>
>>> >> Stopped by the police while on their honeymoon and find they are not
>>> >> insured to drive the Riley. Jim forgot to transfer the insurance
>>> >> when he gave them the car.
>>> >
>>> > Or - wrinkle I hadn't thought of! - he did, but she was driving, and
>>> > he'd transferred it to "Mr. & Mrs. McCreary". Which she isn't.
>>> >
>>> *Can* you simply transfer insurance just like that? I thought you had
>>> to get your own insurance, as individual risk factors are all
>>> different. Am just about to renew my own and I have to confirm all
>>> sorts of details.

I think anyone can add anyone else to their policy (and presumably
remove themselves!), though they'd have to give all the necessary
details of the person being added - which it didn't sound like was what
happened: it just sounded like a spur-of-the-moment decision (even if he
had been _thinking_ of changing car) when theirs wouldn't go.
>>
>> Can you still get "Any Driver" insurance policies? It's such a long time
>> since I've owned a car, I really don't know what's available nowadays.

I think so, but much rarer nowadays. Certainly both hire companies and
the motor trade will need something of the sort.
>
>My comprehensive policy gives me legal minimum cover in any car being
>driven with permission of the owner, which I would assume is quite common.
>
It used to be more or less universal, and is still pretty common - but a
few (5? 10?) years ago, one or two companies _stopped_ providing it. I
remember some consumer programmes warning people about it. (IIRR "More>"
was one of those that stopped providing it, but I may be wrong about
that.) I always was surprised they _did_ do it; I suppose they'd rather
when someone has had too much to drink, say, that there is a way to get
them home. (That was the situation often suggested.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I've never really "got" sport or physical exercise. The only muscle I've ever
enjoyed exercising is the one between my ears. - Beryl Hales, Radio Times
24-30 March 2012

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 06:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Nick Odell
<nickodell@bigfoot.com> a gribouillé dans la poussière...

>On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 1:40:11?PM UTC, Kate B wrote:
>> On 12/07/2023 13:46, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> > In message <5opsai5sbsg8qbksg...@4ax.com> at Wed, 12 Jul
>> > 2023 09:46:18, Pete W <pe...@never.here> writes
>>
>> >>
>> >> Stopped by the police while on their honeymoon and find they are not
>> >> insured to drive the Riley. Jim forgot to transfer the insurance when
>> >> he gave them the car.
>> >
>> > Or - wrinkle I hadn't thought of! - he did, but she was driving, and
>> > he'd transferred it to "Mr. & Mrs. McCreary". Which she isn't.
>> >
>> *Can* you simply transfer insurance just like that? I thought you had to
>> get your own insurance, as individual risk factors are all different. Am
>> just about to renew my own and I have to confirm all sorts of details.
>
>Can you still get "Any Driver" insurance policies? It's such a long time since I've owned a car, I really don't know what's available nowadays.

I don't think it's the insurance they need to worry about. The licence on a
vehicle is no longer transferred to the new owner.
However, if this was a spur of the moment surprise 'gift', none of the
paperwork for transferring ownership will have been done. So it should be
regarded as a loan for this trip. Of course, for SW 'comic' purposes,
Jazzer would say 'Aye' when asked if he was the owner.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On 13/07/2023 11:54, Penny wrote:

<snip>
>
> I don't think it's the insurance they need to worry about. The licence on a
> vehicle is no longer transferred to the new owner.
> However, if this was a spur of the moment surprise 'gift', none of the
> paperwork for transferring ownership will have been done. So it should be
> regarded as a loan for this trip. Of course, for SW 'comic' purposes,
> Jazzer would say 'Aye' when asked if he was the owner.

In light of recent developments, "Wey aye man!" Shirley?

--
Cheers
Clice

On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 11:54:51 +0100, Penny wrote:
>
> I don't think it's the insurance they need to worry about. The licence
> on a vehicle is no longer transferred to the new owner.
> However, if this was a spur of the moment surprise 'gift', none of the
> paperwork for transferring ownership will have been done. So it should
> be regarded as a loan for this trip. Of course, for SW 'comic' purposes,
> Jazzer would say 'Aye' when asked if he was the owner.

The owner is not necessarily the registered keeper though. Until Jim sends
the transfer form to the DVLA he's the registered keeper and responsible
for taxing the car (which is probably zero rated as a classic car). He'll
also be responsible for Jazzer's speeding tickets and parking fines.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

In message <u8oo57$3kvrn$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 13 Jul 2023 12:45:43,
Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> writes
>On 13/07/2023 11:54, Penny wrote:
>
><snip>
>> I don't think it's the insurance they need to worry about. The
>>licence on a
>> vehicle is no longer transferred to the new owner.

If you mean tax, yes. A big money-making fiddle introduced recently for
no good reason that I could see (other than money-making).

>> However, if this was a spur of the moment surprise 'gift', none of the
>> paperwork for transferring ownership will have been done. So it should be
>> regarded as a loan for this trip. Of course, for SW 'comic' purposes,
>> Jazzer would say 'Aye' when asked if he was the owner.
>
>In light of recent developments, "Wey aye man!" Shirley?
>
(-: I think that particular Geordie expression probably doesn't extend
to north Northumberland, where I gather the lad was born (just over the
border wasn't it?); I associate it with the Toon, or at least the urban
south.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Parkinson: "What caused your conversion to women - was it the love of a good
one?" George Melly: "No the love of several bad ones" (Lizbuff in UMRA
'01-4-25)

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <u8oo57$3kvrn$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 13 Jul 2023 12:45:43,
> Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> writes
>> On 13/07/2023 11:54, Penny wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> I don't think it's the insurance they need to worry about. The
>>> licence on a
>>> vehicle is no longer transferred to the new owner.
>
> If you mean tax, yes. A big money-making fiddle introduced recently for
> no good reason that I could see (other than money-making).
>
>>> However, if this was a spur of the moment surprise 'gift', none of the
>>> paperwork for transferring ownership will have been done. So it should be
>>> regarded as a loan for this trip. Of course, for SW 'comic' purposes,
>>> Jazzer would say 'Aye' when asked if he was the owner.
>>
>> In light of recent developments, "Wey aye man!" Shirley?
>>
> (-: I think that particular Geordie expression probably doesn't extend
> to north Northumberland, where I gather the lad was born (just over the
> border wasn't it?); I associate it with the Toon, or at least the urban
> south.

Would that make it a ‘Car Toon’?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 13.7.23 14:45, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> If you mean tax, yes. A big money-making fiddle introduced recently for
> no good reason that I could see (other than money-making).

Well there is no reason for it to generate more tax than before - if you
give up the vehicle you get a refund.

It was changed because of the insistence that doing it online was the
right thing to do and the equal insistence that no tax disc should be
issued for the vehicle. (They spotted that cars cannot pay tax only
owners). All done to save money by not issuing discs.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

In message <u8p0ll$3ls32$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:11:01,
Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> In message <u8oo57$3kvrn$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 13 Jul 2023 12:45:43,
>> Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> writes
>>> On 13/07/2023 11:54, Penny wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>> I don't think it's the insurance they need to worry about. The
>>>> licence on a
>>>> vehicle is no longer transferred to the new owner.
>>
>> If you mean tax, yes. A big money-making fiddle introduced recently for
>> no good reason that I could see (other than money-making).
>>
>>>> However, if this was a spur of the moment surprise 'gift', none of the
>>>> paperwork for transferring ownership will have been done. So it should be
>>>> regarded as a loan for this trip. Of course, for SW 'comic' purposes,
>>>> Jazzer would say 'Aye' when asked if he was the owner.
>>>
>>> In light of recent developments, "Wey aye man!" Shirley?
>>>
>> (-: I think that particular Geordie expression probably doesn't extend
>> to north Northumberland, where I gather the lad was born (just over the
>> border wasn't it?); I associate it with the Toon, or at least the urban
>> south.
>
>Would that make it a ‘Car Toon’?
>
They're considering introducing a congestion zone, so I don't think I'd
call them car friendly!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Parkinson: "What caused your conversion to women - was it the love of a good
one?" George Melly: "No the love of several bad ones" (Lizbuff in UMRA
'01-4-25)

On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:45:18 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
gribouillé dans la poussière...

>Parkinson: "What caused your conversion to women - was it the love of a good
>one?" George Melly: "No the love of several bad ones" (Lizbuff in UMRA
>'01-4-25)

Um, that date looks impossible for several reasons, should it be 95?
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:45:18 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
> gribouillé dans la poussière...
>
>> Parkinson: "What caused your conversion to women - was it the love of a good
>> one?" George Melly: "No the love of several bad ones" (Lizbuff in UMRA
>> '01-4-25)
>
> Um, that date looks impossible for several reasons, should it be 95?

Except Lizbuff arrived on umra after us

Mrs NcT

Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:45:18 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
>> gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>
>>> Parkinson: "What caused your conversion to women - was it the love of a good
>>> one?" George Melly: "No the love of several bad ones" (Lizbuff in UMRA
>>> '01-4-25)
>>
>> Um, that date looks impossible for several reasons, should it be 95?
>
> Except Lizbuff arrived on umra after us
>
> Mrs NcT
>

Isn’t that the Merkin way of saying April 25th. 2001?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 14/07/2023 09:52, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Isn’t that the Merkin way of saying April 25th. 2001?

That's along the lines of what I said a few minutes ago, but I flipping
well pressed Reply instead of Follow Up - *again*:-( Grrrr!
--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

In message <u8r2ce$3voco$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 14 Jul 2023 08:52:30,
Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:45:18 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
>>> gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>>
>>>> Parkinson: "What caused your conversion to women - was it the love
>>>>of a good
>>>> one?" George Melly: "No the love of several bad ones" (Lizbuff in UMRA
>>>> '01-4-25)
>>>
>>> Um, that date looks impossible for several reasons, should it be 95?

The apostrophe suggests the 01 is the shortened one, i. e. the year.
Quite why I did that I'm not sure - maybe kept it from linewrapping.
>>
>> Except Lizbuff arrived on umra after us
>>
>> Mrs NcT
>>
>
>Isn’t that the Merkin way of saying April 25th. 2001?
>
No, the Merkins say month, day, year - which I find _very_ illogical;
it's medium unit, small unit, large unit. The British way - small,
medium, large - is much more logical. The Merkin way is _just about_ OK
when the month is in letters - April 23rd. (Though it always amuses me
that they refer to their national day, our way round!)

I use what is sometimes called the ISO way - year month day (and year
always as four digits). This has the advantage of giving month and day
the way round Merkins are used to, and year coming first makes Brits
have to think about it, so realise. It also has a minor advantage that
if used at the start of filenames on computers, they automatically sort
into the right order (which either of the formats with year at the end
_don't_), although in some cases you have to include the leading 0 for
it to work.

There _are_ parts of the world - parts of the far east, I think - that
use this format anyway. (Sadly, I have also encountered year day month,
but it's rare.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The voices of Radio 4 continuity and newsreading have been keeping me right
for as long as I can remember. I can call on a million different information
sources, but it doesn't make sense unti I've heard it from Peter, Harriet,
Charlotte and the rest.- Eddie Mair in Radio Times 10-16 November 2012

On 14/07/2023 15:26, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <u8r2ce$3voco$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 14 Jul 2023 08:52:30,
> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>> Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:45:18 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
>>>> gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>>>
>>>>> Parkinson: "What caused your conversion to women - was it the love
>>>>> of a good
>>>>> one?" George Melly: "No the love of several bad ones" (Lizbuff in UMRA
>>>>> '01-4-25)
>>>>
>>>> Um, that date looks impossible for several reasons, should it be 95?
>
> The apostrophe suggests the 01 is the shortened one, i. e. the year.
> Quite why I did that I'm not sure - maybe kept it from linewrapping.
>>>

Not on my screen it didn't.

john