Very good spoof on the subject of Human Derived Meat - Reminded me of
‘Brave New World’. I think it was BBC2 but can’t check this now.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
> Very good spoof on the subject of Human Derived Meat - Reminded me of
> ‘Brave New World’. I think it was BBC2 but can’t check this now.
>
>

Just did a Goooooogle:

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/gregg-wallace-the-british-miracle-meat

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:32:32 PM UTC+1, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Mike McMillan <toodl...@virginmedia.com> wrote:
> > Very good spoof on the subject of Human Derived Meat - Reminded me of
> > ‘Brave New World’. I think it was BBC2 but can’t check this now.
> >
> >
> Just did a Goooooogle:
>
> https://www.channel4.com/programmes/gregg-wallace-the-british-miracle-meat

I can't stand Greg Wallace - an emotion that goes right back to the Veg Talk days. But I think he was the ideal presenter for this programme. It's notoriety has spread as far as Argentina - an article about the programme was published in La Nacion this weekend.

Jonathan Swift would have been delighted!

Nick
nickodell49@yahoo.ca

On 30/07/2023 17:15, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:32:32 PM UTC+1, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Mike McMillan <toodl...@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>>> Very good spoof on the subject of Human Derived Meat - Reminded me of
>>> ‘Brave New World’. I think it was BBC2 but can’t check this now.
>>>
>>>
>> Just did a Goooooogle:
>>
>> https://www.channel4.com/programmes/gregg-wallace-the-british-miracle-meat
>
> I can't stand Greg Wallace - an emotion that goes right back to the Veg Talk days. But I think he was the ideal presenter for this programme. It's notoriety has spread as far as Argentina - an article about the programme was published in La Nacion this weekend.
>
> Jonathan Swift would have been delighted!
>
> Nick
> nickodell49@yahoo.ca
Didn't see it. There was a modest proposal?
Mike Ruddock

On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 09:15:58 -0700 (PDT), Nick Odell
<nickodell@bigfoot.com> scrawled in the dust...

>I can't stand Greg Wallace - an emotion that goes right back to the Veg Talk days.

YANAOU
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

In message <l0recihtmsf9jv5klufn52ju7cbin9ducq@4ax.com> at Mon, 31 Jul
2023 09:09:23, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 09:15:58 -0700 (PDT), Nick Odell
><nickodell@bigfoot.com> scrawled in the dust...
>
>>I can't stand Greg Wallace - an emotion that goes right back to the
>>Veg Talk days.
>
>YANAOU

I thought the name sounded familiar, and I've remembered: "inside the
factory". Though that seems to be Gregg with two gs (like the bakers!).
I wouldn't go as far as saying I can't stand him; he gurns (or acting
equivalent) excessively, and I'd _rather_ have someone who does so less,
but his enthusiasm is often I think genuine, which I like. I like
_genuine_ enthusiasm.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Chuck Berry was once asked what he thought of Elvis Presley and he said, "He
got what he wanted, but he lost what he had." [Quoted by Anne Widdicombe, in
Radio Times 8-14 October 2011.]

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <l0recihtmsf9jv5klufn52ju7cbin9ducq@4ax.com> at Mon, 31 Jul
> 2023 09:09:23, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 09:15:58 -0700 (PDT), Nick Odell
>> <nickodell@bigfoot.com> scrawled in the dust...
>>
>>> I can't stand Greg Wallace - an emotion that goes right back to the
>>> Veg Talk days.
>>
>> YANAOU
>
> I thought the name sounded familiar, and I've remembered: "inside the
> factory". Though that seems to be Gregg with two gs (like the bakers!).
> I wouldn't go as far as saying I can't stand him; he gurns (or acting
> equivalent) excessively, and I'd _rather_ have someone who does so less,
> but his enthusiasm is often I think genuine, which I like. I like
> _genuine_ enthusiasm.

‘G’ or “Gg’, it’s the same horse anyway.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 30/07/2023 17:15, Nick Odell wrote:
> I can't stand Greg Wallace

Neither can I, but as I was saying to someone very recently I always
feel very guilty when saying "I don't like ..." about some TV presenter
(it was Lucy Worsley in this case) or actor when I don't KNOW them at
all and perhaps they are actually really nice people. But it's so much
easier to say "I don't like ..." or even "I can't stand/abide/do with
...." than "I really don't at all enjoy watching that person."

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

On 1.8.23 10:10, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 30/07/2023 17:15, Nick Odell wrote:
>> I can't stand Greg Wallace
>
> Neither can I, but as I was saying to someone very recently I always
> feel very guilty when saying "I don't like ..." about some TV presenter
> (it was Lucy Worsley in this case) or actor when I don't KNOW them at
> all and perhaps they are actually really nice people.  But it's so much
> easier to say "I don't like ..." or even "I can't stand/abide/do with
> ..." than  "I really don't at all enjoy watching that person."
>

I know a lot of people have an opinion on Gordon Ramsay, no doubt
derived from his television persona. Having met him in person and eaten
in his restaurant at his invitation along with our daughter Stephanie I
would very much like to make it clear that we are very grateful to him
and to his team and that he visited twice during the evening, ignoring
all of the other diners and we were made to feel very special - he was
charming and was able to make us laugh so I happen to believe that
underneath that persona there is a true gentleman.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

In message <8O6dnaN2zdUlR1X5nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> at Tue, 1
Aug 2023 11:13:13, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
>On 1.8.23 10:10, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>> On 30/07/2023 17:15, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> I can't stand Greg Wallace
>> Neither can I, but as I was saying to someone very recently I always
>>feel very guilty when saying "I don't like ..." about some TV
>>presenter (it was Lucy Worsley in this case) or actor when I don't

I like Lucy II (I liked Lucy I as well). Or at least her TV persona. Not
keen on her "Puzzling" quiz prog. though.

>>KNOW them at all and perhaps they are actually really nice people. 
>>But it's so much easier to say "I don't like ..." or even "I can't
>>stand/abide/do with ..." than  "I really don't at all enjoy watching
>>that person."
>>
The converse also applies. I love the character of "Ducky" (Dr. Mallard
the pathologist) in NCIS, as played by David McCallum - which _seems_ to
fit him like a glove. But of course that could mean he's just a very
good actor. So it applies to any fictional character I like: I don't
know the actor at all, and saying I do is actually in some ways
belittling their acting talent.

How much this applies to non-fictional characters is another question:
is the person putting on a cloak? Applies to radio as well as TV of
course.

Just from hearsay, I _think_ I've heard fewer "s/he was unpleasant in
real life" (I've heard this about Peter Sellers) than "s/he's lovely"
(Judi Dench of course. Julie Andrews.)
>
>I know a lot of people have an opinion on Gordon Ramsay, no doubt
>derived from his television persona. Having met him in person and
>eaten in his restaurant at his invitation along with our daughter
>Stephanie I would very much like to make it clear that we are very
>grateful to him and to his team and that he visited twice during the
>evening, ignoring all of the other diners and we were made to feel very
>special - he was charming and was able to make us laugh so I happen to
>believe that underneath that persona there is a true gentleman.
>
Good to hear. I didn't really have an opinion on him, as cooking (and
things that arise from it) is/are one of my non-interests.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Apologies to [those] who may have been harmed by the scientific inaccuracies
in this post. - Roger Tilbury in UMRA, 2018-3-14

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:10:46 AM UTC, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 30/07/2023 17:15, Nick Odell wrote:
> > I can't stand Greg Wallace
> Neither can I, but as I was saying to someone very recently I always
> feel very guilty when saying "I don't like ..." about some TV presenter
> (it was Lucy Worsley in this case) or actor when I don't KNOW them at
> all and perhaps they are actually really nice people. But it's so much
> easier to say "I don't like ..." or even "I can't stand/abide/do with
> ..." than "I really don't at all enjoy watching that person."

You are right, Jenny. It's the persona that turns me off and who am I to know if that persona is something Greg Wallace turns on and off.

After all, Lorraine Kelly persuaded the Inland Revenue that the Lorraine Kelly we saw on GMB[1] was not the real Lorraine Kelly but a character called Lorraine Kelly that she had created and which she performed on the show.

Nick
nickodell49@yahoo.ca

[1]Those of us who watch GMB

Jenny M Benson wrote:

>Neither can I, but as I was saying to someone very recently I always
>feel very guilty when saying "I don't like ..." about some TV presenter
>(it was Lucy Worsley in this case) or actor when I don't KNOW them at
>all and perhaps they are actually really nice people. But it's so much
>easier to say "I don't like ..." or even "I can't stand/abide/do with
>..." than "I really don't at all enjoy watching that person."

I take your point. I really dislike "The Pub Landlord" but find
Al Murray quite engaging.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

On 14/08/2023 09:59, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Jenny M Benson wrote:
>
>> Neither can I, but as I was saying to someone very recently I always
>> feel very guilty when saying "I don't like ..." about some TV presenter
>> (it was Lucy Worsley in this case) or actor when I don't KNOW them at
>> all and perhaps they are actually really nice people. But it's so much
>> easier to say "I don't like ..." or even "I can't stand/abide/do with
>> ..." than "I really don't at all enjoy watching that person."
>
> I take your point. I really dislike "The Pub Landlord"

I think that's the whole idea :)

In message <kju9f7F1l7kU1@mid.individual.net> at Mon, 14 Aug 2023
10:12:07, BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes
>On 14/08/2023 09:59, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> Jenny M Benson wrote:
>>
>>> Neither can I, but as I was saying to someone very recently I always
>>> feel very guilty when saying "I don't like ..." about some TV presenter
>>> (it was Lucy Worsley in this case) or actor when I don't KNOW them at
>>> all and perhaps they are actually really nice people. But it's so much
>>> easier to say "I don't like ..." or even "I can't stand/abide/do with
>>> ..." than "I really don't at all enjoy watching that person."
>> I take your point. I really dislike "The Pub Landlord"
>
>I think that's the whole idea :)
>
>
You beat me to it: reminiscent of Alf Garnett, who was designed by
(IIRR) Johnny Speight, and acted by Warren Mitchell (?), as a decidedly
unlikeable person. They were somewhat disconcerted - and I think
depressed - when he actually acquired a following.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Computers can make anything seem anything, as did lawyers.
- chris@dickinson.uk.net in soc.genealogy.britain, 2018-4-7

On 14-Aug-23 11:18, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <kju9f7F1l7kU1@mid.individual.net> at Mon, 14 Aug 2023
> 10:12:07, BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes
>> On 14/08/2023 09:59, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>>> Jenny M Benson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Neither can I, but as I was saying to someone very recently I always
>>>> feel very guilty when saying "I don't like ..." about some TV presenter
>>>> (it was Lucy Worsley in this case) or actor when I don't KNOW them at
>>>> all and perhaps they are actually really nice people.  But it's so much
>>>> easier to say "I don't like ..." or even "I can't stand/abide/do with
>>>> ..." than  "I really don't at all enjoy watching that person."
>>>  I take your point. I really dislike "The Pub Landlord"
>>
>> I think that's the whole idea  :)
>>
>>
> You beat me to it: reminiscent of Alf Garnett, who was designed by
> (IIRR) Johnny Speight, and acted by Warren Mitchell (?), as a decidedly
> unlikeable person. They were somewhat disconcerted - and I think
> depressed - when he actually acquired a following.

The:

"At last! Someone on TV is saying what I've all been saying all my
life. I feel vindicated!"

Crowd.

(Any comparison with Trump is unnecessary.)

--
Sam Plusnet

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 8:11:58 PM UTC, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 14-Aug-23 11:18, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> > In message <kju9f7...@mid.individual.net> at Mon, 14 Aug 2023
> > 10:12:07, BrritSki <rtilbur...@gmail.com> writes
> >> On 14/08/2023 09:59, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> >>> Jenny M Benson wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Neither can I, but as I was saying to someone very recently I always
> >>>> feel very guilty when saying "I don't like ..." about some TV presenter
> >>>> (it was Lucy Worsley in this case) or actor when I don't KNOW them at
> >>>> all and perhaps they are actually really nice people. But it's so much
> >>>> easier to say "I don't like ..." or even "I can't stand/abide/do with
> >>>> ..." than "I really don't at all enjoy watching that person."
> >>> I take your point. I really dislike "The Pub Landlord"
> >>
> >> I think that's the whole idea :)
> >>
> >>
> > You beat me to it: reminiscent of Alf Garnett, who was designed by
> > (IIRR) Johnny Speight, and acted by Warren Mitchell (?), as a decidedly
> > unlikeable person. They were somewhat disconcerted - and I think
> > depressed - when he actually acquired a following.
> The:
>
> "At last! Someone on TV is saying what I've all been saying all my
> life. I feel vindicated!"
>
> Crowd.
>
> (Any comparison with Trump is unnecessary.)

(Or even Javier Milei (for those of us watching out for the news from the Southern hemisphere))

Nick
nickodell49@hotmail.com