Anyone fancy a Barbie pink Mandello? :-))

<https://www.autotrader.co.uk/bike-details/202305036963356>

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

On 30/07/2023 01:09, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> Anyone fancy a Barbie pink Mandello?  :-))
>
> <https://www.autotrader.co.uk/bike-details/202305036963356>
>
Eeeek my eyes!! That is horrible. Please tell me that's a strangle
lighting effect and not the real colour.

Come to think of it, it looks like an awful experiment in cross breeding
a CX500 with a Katana.

Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote in news:ua5que$2v0v6$2@dont-email.me:

> On 30/07/2023 01:09, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>> Anyone fancy a Barbie pink Mandello?� :-))
>>
>> <https://www.autotrader.co.uk/bike-details/202305036963356>
>>
> Eeeek my eyes!! That is horrible. Please tell me that's a strangle
> lighting effect and not the real colour.
>

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2022/september/limited-edition-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello
battleship grey

> Come to think of it, it looks like an awful experiment in cross breeding
> a CX500 with a Katana.
>

looks better in green
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/moto-guzzi/v100-mandello/2023/

wessie wrote:

>
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2022/september/limited-edition-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello
> battleship grey

The "inspired by the F-35B fighter jet" sort of gave the true colour
away. That and the front disk was also pink.

> > Come to think of it, it looks like an awful experiment in cross
> > breeding a CX500 with a Katana.
> >
>
> looks better in green
> https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/moto-guzzi/v100-mandello/2
> 023/

Not much.

--
Chris

On 30/07/2023 15:09, Tim wrote:
> On 30/07/2023 01:09, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>> Anyone fancy a Barbie pink Mandello?  :-))
>>
>> <https://www.autotrader.co.uk/bike-details/202305036963356>
>>
> Eeeek my eyes!! That is horrible. Please tell me that's a strangle
> lighting effect and not the real colour.
>
> Come to think of it, it looks like an awful experiment in cross breeding
> a CX500 with a Katana.

Can't see it - covered-up by a cuckoo^h^h^h^cookie 'use them-or-you
don't-see-a-lot' screen. Immediate turn-off AFAIC.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 16:18:40 -0000 (UTC), "CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk>
wrote:

>wessie wrote:
>
>>
>https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2022/september/limited-edition-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello
>> battleship grey
>
>The "inspired by the F-35B fighter jet" sort of gave the true colour
>away. That and the front disk was also pink.

Yep, I reckon either a sunset or a bright red or pink object out of
shot. The one in the background is much greyer.

--

-Pip

On 30/07/2023 16:44, wessie wrote:
> Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote in news:ua5que$2v0v6$2@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 30/07/2023 01:09, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>>> Anyone fancy a Barbie pink Mandello?Ā :-))
>>>
>>> <https://www.autotrader.co.uk/bike-details/202305036963356>
>>>
>> Eeeek my eyes!! That is horrible. Please tell me that's a strangle
>> lighting effect and not the real colour.
>>
>
> https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2022/september/limited-edition-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello
> battleship grey
>
>> Come to think of it, it looks like an awful experiment in cross breeding
>> a CX500 with a Katana.
>>
>
> looks better in green
> https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/moto-guzzi/v100-mandello/2023/

The better quality pictures make it's ugliness more apparent.

Hrumph another stupid highly stepped pillion and one too that has been
truncated. Do these idiot designers never take a long journey 2-up?

On 30/07/2023 19:13, Tim wrote:
/chop/

> Hrumph another stupid highly stepped pillion and one too that has been
> truncated. Do these idiot designers never take a long journey 2-up?

The concept has merit though: pillion looks over the head of rider so
doesn't keep moving about to look round him/her.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 19:13:38 +0100, Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote:

>> looks better in green
>> https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/moto-guzzi/v100-mandello/2023/
>
>The better quality pictures make it's ugliness more apparent.

I originally disliked the odd truncated look of the cylinders, but I'm
warming to it. The rest I quite like. No so keen on a wet clutch
engine, but I guess it saves weight and would be quieter.

I think the retractable wings are a gimmick that could be lost and
save a bit of weight.

They're still a bit portly at 230Kg. I guess that things like ECU
codes and anything other than essential maintenance (oil and tyre
changes) will be hidden under a shroud of secrecy, which for me is a
major turn-off for any modern bike.

>Hrumph another stupid highly stepped pillion and one too that has been
>truncated. Do these idiot designers never take a long journey 2-up?

I never take long journeys two-up. To be fair, I've only done a couple
of long journeys solo (well, within England, so that may not count as
long in some eyes) in the last twenty years.

Personally, I think it looks fine. No worse than my 1200. The down
side on my bike is the cramped non-adjustable leg position.

As RH says, it might help a pillion look over the rider a bit, or at
least over a shoulder more easily.

Also allows the rider to be lower, for the short of stature, without
sacrificing rear suspension travel.

--

-Pip

Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote in
news:90mdci533uq2ae79h13kn7g7rb8o3m5ltu@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 19:13:38 +0100, Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> looks better in green
>>> https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/moto-guzzi/v100-mandello/
>>> 2023/
>>
>>The better quality pictures make it's ugliness more apparent.
>
> I originally disliked the odd truncated look of the cylinders, but I'm
> warming to it. The rest I quite like. No so keen on a wet clutch
> engine, but I guess it saves weight and would be quieter.
>
> I think the retractable wings are a gimmick that could be lost and
> save a bit of weight.
>
> They're still a bit portly at 230Kg. I guess that things like ECU
> codes and anything other than essential maintenance (oil and tyre
> changes) will be hidden under a shroud of secrecy, which for me is a
> major turn-off for any modern bike.
>

the low volume of sales of the MG range, fewer dealers etc is a barrier to
me buying one. I test rode the V85TT when it came out but that dealer is no
longer selling MG.

I am happy to carry on riding a soon to be 7 year old BMW R1200RS as there
is a massive after market infrastructure due to the huge number of tossers
buying the GS variant. Plenty of independent service specialists and you
can get the ZF Sachs "dynamic" suspension units refurbished. There are a
couple of options for diagnostic tools to interrogate the electronics.

On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 10:16:51 UTC+1, wessie wrote:

> the low volume of sales of the MG range, fewer dealers etc is a barrier to
> me buying one. I test rode the V85TT when it came out but that dealer is no
> longer selling MG.
>
> I am happy to carry on riding a soon to be 7 year old BMW R1200RS as there
> is a massive after market infrastructure due to the huge number of tossers
> buying the GS variant. Plenty of independent service specialists and you
> can get the ZF Sachs "dynamic" suspension units refurbished. There are a
> couple of options for diagnostic tools to interrogate the electronics.

Nice though the MG looks it's advanced electronics from a small company with no experience of such, with few dealers and, I expect, poor spares availability.
If one puts asthetics and the cute idea of owning a MG aside, the BMW R1200RS is a superior motorcycle by every metric.

Nice development that engineers are refurbishing the BMW electronic suspension units. My SD-GT and SA-S both had electronic suspension unit failures and there is no service or repair option. Replacement costs are Ouchy, a pending horror for post warranty owners. There is no easy option to fit conventional units because CanBus, disabling MTC and ABS.
Buyers of the SD-R Evo are barmy. We can only chuckle at what the future holds for new Super Adventures with active suspension and radar cruise.

On 02/08/2023 12:57, Hog wrote:
> On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 10:16:51 UTC+1, wessie wrote:
>
>> the low volume of sales of the MG range, fewer dealers etc is a
>> barrier to me buying one. I test rode the V85TT when it came out
>> but that dealer is no longer selling MG.
>>
>> I am happy to carry on riding a soon to be 7 year old BMW R1200RS
>> as there is a massive after market infrastructure due to the huge
>> number of tossers buying the GS variant. Plenty of independent
>> service specialists and you can get the ZF Sachs "dynamic"
>> suspension units refurbished. There are a couple of options for
>> diagnostic tools to interrogate the electronics.
>
> Nice though the MG looks it's advanced electronics from a small
> company with no experience of such, with few dealers and, I expect,
> poor spares availability. If one puts asthetics and the cute idea of
> owning a MG aside, the BMW R1200RS is a superior motorcycle by every
> metric.

MG are owned by Piagio so hardly a "small company". All the
manufacturers buy in electronics from companies like Bosch anyway so in
terms of their electronics experience levels they're not really any
different to any other.

Dealer scarcity, I agree, is an issue.

The BMWs /are/ better - but also more expensive. You pays your money ...
etc. I'd be very happy with an R1250RT as a replacement for the FJR but
it's just so big across the front - not exactly built for filtering.

And while the RS is slimmer without panniers, with panniers it's as wide
as the RT because they don't seem to fit as flushly[1] as far as I can
tell from photos.

TBH I wish BMW had kept the flat 4 K series instead of introducing the
6-cylinder version. On the other hand, the depreciation of the K1600 is
astonishing - there are some amazingly cheap low-mileage examples out
there if you can manage the enormous size and weight. :-)

It's telling that there are very few K1600 models with the reverse gear
for sale. I know they're more recent but I just get the feeling the
aficionados traded in for the rev gear model and will be holding on for
a while.

>
> Nice development that engineers are refurbishing the BMW electronic
> suspension units. My SD-GT and SA-S both had electronic suspension
> unit failures and there is no service or repair option. Replacement
> costs are Ouchy, a pending horror for post warranty owners. There is
> no easy option to fit conventional units because CanBus, disabling
> MTC and ABS. Buyers of the SD-R Evo are barmy. We can only chuckle at
> what the future holds for new Super Adventures with active suspension
> and radar cruise.

[1] Is that a word?
--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> And while the RS is slimmer without panniers, with panniers it's as wide
> as the RT because they don't seem to fit as flushly

Sir needs an ex-police RT-P, with the narrower panniers.

https://www.authorities.bmw-motorrad.com/en/models/r1250-rt-p.html

Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote in
news:c2d8de99-1755-515a-d826-aa9af2bc58c0@scorecrow.com:

> On 02/08/2023 12:57, Hog wrote:
>> On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 10:16:51 UTC+1, wessie wrote:
>>
>>> the low volume of sales of the MG range, fewer dealers etc is a
>>> barrier to me buying one. I test rode the V85TT when it came out
>>> but that dealer is no longer selling MG.
>>>
>>> I am happy to carry on riding a soon to be 7 year old BMW R1200RS
>>> as there is a massive after market infrastructure due to the huge
>>> number of tossers buying the GS variant. Plenty of independent
>>> service specialists and you can get the ZF Sachs "dynamic"
>>> suspension units refurbished. There are a couple of options for
>>> diagnostic tools to interrogate the electronics.
>>
>> Nice though the MG looks it's advanced electronics from a small
>> company with no experience of such, with few dealers and, I expect,
>> poor spares availability. If one puts asthetics and the cute idea of
>> owning a MG aside, the BMW R1200RS is a superior motorcycle by every
>> metric.
>
> MG are owned by Piagio so hardly a "small company". All the
> manufacturers buy in electronics from companies like Bosch anyway so
> in terms of their electronics experience levels they're not really any
> different to any other.
>

it's more about the after market infrastructure that will repair the
bikes once Piaggio stop making spares due to the low volume demand. With
the BMW R/K series, the sales volume means BMW support the models for
longer and there are decades of development in the independent sector as
it is financially worthwhile.

> Dealer scarcity, I agree, is an issue.
>
> The BMWs /are/ better - but also more expensive. You pays your money
> ... etc. I'd be very happy with an R1250RT as a replacement for the
> FJR but it's just so big across the front - not exactly built for
> filtering.
>

the all singing and dancing V100TT with the electronic suspension is
much the same price as the R1250RS with a similar spec.

> And while the RS is slimmer without panniers, with panniers it's as
> wide as the RT because they don't seem to fit as flushly[1] as far as
> I can tell from photos.
>

the OE standard panniers are rubbish on the RS, and expensive. I have
fitted Givi E21 slim panniers to my R1200RS. No wider than the front of
the bike so filtering is easy and top loaders.

On 03/08/2023 09:52, wessie wrote:
> Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote in
> news:c2d8de99-1755-515a-d826-aa9af2bc58c0@scorecrow.com:
>
>> On 02/08/2023 12:57, Hog wrote:
>>> On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 10:16:51 UTC+1, wessie wrote:
>>>
>>>> the low volume of sales of the MG range, fewer dealers etc is a
>>>> barrier to me buying one. I test rode the V85TT when it came out
>>>> but that dealer is no longer selling MG.
>>>>
>>>> I am happy to carry on riding a soon to be 7 year old BMW R1200RS
>>>> as there is a massive after market infrastructure due to the huge
>>>> number of tossers buying the GS variant. Plenty of independent
>>>> service specialists and you can get the ZF Sachs "dynamic"
>>>> suspension units refurbished. There are a couple of options for
>>>> diagnostic tools to interrogate the electronics.
>>>
>>> Nice though the MG looks it's advanced electronics from a small
>>> company with no experience of such, with few dealers and, I expect,
>>> poor spares availability. If one puts asthetics and the cute idea of
>>> owning a MG aside, the BMW R1200RS is a superior motorcycle by every
>>> metric.
>>
>> MG are owned by Piagio so hardly a "small company". All the
>> manufacturers buy in electronics from companies like Bosch anyway so
>> in terms of their electronics experience levels they're not really any
>> different to any other.
>>
>
> it's more about the after market infrastructure that will repair the
> bikes once Piaggio stop making spares due to the low volume demand. With
> the BMW R/K series, the sales volume means BMW support the models for
> longer and there are decades of development in the independent sector as
> it is financially worthwhile.
>
>> Dealer scarcity, I agree, is an issue.

This, with knobs on for modern Moto Morinis, even the 650s. Then If I
wanted a tarted up Chinese ER6 I would have bought one.

I'm surprised Piaggio persevere with Guzzi. They never did develop a
modern Guzzi badged 600 single with the Nordwest Bialbero tooling (I can
guess why).

Aprilia need something between the 125 and 660 Tuareg. Stick a Gilera
badge on it, keep the weight down to 160Kgs and the seat height to
something sensible and I might be interested.

--
Moto Morini 2C/375
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
Honda CB250RS (Not Waynetta!)
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 00:38:54 UTC+1, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> On 02/08/2023 12:57, Hog wrote:
> > On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 10:16:51 UTC+1, wessie wrote:
> >
> >> the low volume of sales of the MG range, fewer dealers etc is a
> >> barrier to me buying one. I test rode the V85TT when it came out
> >> but that dealer is no longer selling MG.
> >>
> >> I am happy to carry on riding a soon to be 7 year old BMW R1200RS
> >> as there is a massive after market infrastructure due to the huge
> >> number of tossers buying the GS variant. Plenty of independent
> >> service specialists and you can get the ZF Sachs "dynamic"
> >> suspension units refurbished. There are a couple of options for
> >> diagnostic tools to interrogate the electronics.
> >
> > Nice though the MG looks it's advanced electronics from a small
> > company with no experience of such, with few dealers and, I expect,
> > poor spares availability. If one puts asthetics and the cute idea of
> > owning a MG aside, the BMW R1200RS is a superior motorcycle by every
> > metric.
> MG are owned by Piagio so hardly a "small company". All the
> manufacturers buy in electronics from companies like Bosch anyway so in
> terms of their electronics experience levels they're not really any
> different to any other.

They are a subsidiary and you can't buy a complete canbus and active suspension system off the shelf. If KTM couldn't get it right first try, well...
> Dealer scarcity, I agree, is an issue.
>
> The BMWs /are/ better - but also more expensive. You pays your money ...
> etc. I'd be very happy with an R1250RT as a replacement for the FJR but
> it's just so big across the front - not exactly built for filtering.
>
> And while the RS is slimmer without panniers, with panniers it's as wide
> as the RT because they don't seem to fit as flushly[1] as far as I can
> tell from photos.

I think the price of the fully equiped versions are similar

> TBH I wish BMW had kept the flat 4 K series instead of introducing the
> 6-cylinder version. On the other hand, the depreciation of the K1600 is
> astonishing - there are some amazingly cheap low-mileage examples out
> there if you can manage the enormous size and weight. :-)

The 1600 is a hugely overweight dog. I recall Tog getting rid of one asap. Few people buy such things new and so even fewer used, so plummeting residuals.
The Gold Wing club is a notable exception.

Been chatting to Burnt in the other place about K bikes. Shame BMW let the concept drop, it could have been timeless.
Perhaps they didn't want to sell bikes that last a lifetime?
The 8V engine was outstanding for low pressure turbocharging at ~150bhp, as proved by RBR Racing. With a Hossack front end and rising rate rear it could have been a wonderful thing, approriate to develop for recent emissions standards. Unlike the awful K1300R/S/GT, another albatross for owners.

Anyway, I'm off back into the morphine bubble.

On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 04:57:29 -0700 (PDT), Hog <york996@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 10:16:51 UTC+1, wessie wrote:
>
>> the low volume of sales of the MG range, fewer dealers etc is a barrier to
>> me buying one. I test rode the V85TT when it came out but that dealer is no
>> longer selling MG.
>>
>> I am happy to carry on riding a soon to be 7 year old BMW R1200RS as there
>> is a massive after market infrastructure due to the huge number of tossers
>> buying the GS variant. Plenty of independent service specialists and you
>> can get the ZF Sachs "dynamic" suspension units refurbished. There are a
>> couple of options for diagnostic tools to interrogate the electronics.
>
>Nice though the MG looks it's advanced electronics from a small company with no experience of such, with few dealers and, I expect, poor spares availability.
>If one puts asthetics and the cute idea of owning a MG aside, the BMW R1200RS is a superior motorcycle by every metric.

I don't think that's true. I've owned three generations of Guzzis, all
fuel injected, and the only electronic issue I ever had was a dry
joint on a capacitor in the Quota's tachometer.

*Electrical* items are a different matter. I've got through at least
two Ducati alternators, mostly through corrosion, and at least three
Ducati reg-recs.

--

-Pip

On Thu, 03 Aug 2023 21:39:57 +0100, Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:

>*Electrical* items are a different matter. I've got through at least
>two Ducati alternators, mostly through corrosion, and at least three
>Ducati reg-recs.

While I salute your pedantry, perhaps you can explain to us poor
ignorami exactly how a regulator-rectifier is not an electronic
component?
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On Fri, 04 Aug 2023 10:27:51 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Aug 2023 21:39:57 +0100, Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>*Electrical* items are a different matter. I've got through at least
>>two Ducati alternators, mostly through corrosion, and at least three
>>Ducati reg-recs.
>
>While I salute your pedantry, perhaps you can explain to us poor
>ignorami exactly how a regulator-rectifier is not an electronic
>component?

Well, all right, modern ones are electronic (I can remember dynamos
and weird relays), but they're part of the electrical system: with a
charged battery, even with a fucked reg-rec, the electronics as in
ECU, CAN etc. will still work for a while.

--

-Pip

On 30/07/2023 18:34, Pipl wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 16:18:40 -0000 (UTC), "CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> wessie wrote:
>>
>>>
>> https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2022/september/limited-edition-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello
>>> battleship grey
>>
>> The "inspired by the F-35B fighter jet" sort of gave the true colour
>> away. That and the front disk was also pink.
>
> Yep, I reckon either a sunset or a bright red or pink object out of
> shot. The one in the background is much greyer.

Look at photo 3 from the original
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/bike-details/202305036963356 and you'll see
a pink building right next door.

I did initially wonder if the F-35B was painted pink in some effort to
detoxify masculinity or somesuch. How mundane the truth is.