On 14/09/2023 18:14, Vicky wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 15:44:32 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <udv374$2l2el$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 14 Sep 2023 13:52:36,
>> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>> krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>> []
>>>> I have one which is used almost exclusively for web browsing to catch up
>>>> news and more recently to play sudoku. It is useful too to use for
>>>> Teams and Zoom meetings as desktop does not have a camera and for some
>>>> reason I do not understand people want to watch you these days. When I
>>>> made phone call I concentrated on listening.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is (to me at least) an interesting point KRW, I am content to
>>> communicate without a picture too; whether this has anything to do with my
>>> poor sight I dunno but, I find listening to a voice and concentrating on
>>> what is actually being said is very informative. I know there is a lot of
>>> talk about body language telling an observer a lot about the speaker and
>>> their true meanings etc, but if you can’t see that body language - is it
>>> really that necessary? I don’t make a lot of use of Zoom or Teams etc. but
>>
>> Not really.
>>
>>> when I do I just listen to the speaker - I don’t strain to watch them and
>>> probably still not observe all the visual things going on; I say save the
>>> bandwidth and use audio only!
>>>
>> I think partly, possibly especially since the pandemic, such meetings
>> involve a lot more than the two people traditionally involved with a
>> 'phone call. As such, some things _are_ easier with pictures: a show of
>> hands for example, and it's also a lot easier to run the meeting if you
>> agree on things like raising a hand (or clicking something that does an
>> equivalent electronically) if you want to speak: such meetings (we'd
>> just got our laptops for the parish council in time for the pandemic,
>> which was fortunate) _aren't_ as good as face-to-face ones in the same
>> room.
>>
>> Thinking about it, when I was in work, we did indeed occasionally have
>> "conference calls" over the 'phone system - audio only, but with a
>> speakerphone - but those were _mostly_ with all the participants bar one
>> or two in the same room, and the one or two remote. I think such a
>> meeting between even as few as half a dozen individuals, all remote from
>> the rest, would have been very hard work.
>>
>> But yes, for one to one, video is certainly not necessary. (Much as it
>> isn't for a lot of TV; I have the news channel on as I'm reading and
>> writing these, and only glance at it occasionally - and for dramas that
>> have AD, I do much the same.) For informal things, like conversations I
>> may have with cousins on another continent, I may well
>> Skype/Zoom/whatever, (a) because it's actually easier (and certainly
>> cheaper!), (b) there _may_ be times I want to show them something on my
>> screen (which most videoconferencing software can do).
>
>
> I did tai chi on zoom throughout lockdown. It was based in Kansas. I'm
> doing a course of 4 more at present.

I did taichi in lockdown too. I hated it. It was very difficult to learn
anything new and I only managed it because I knew the teacher very well
from proper classes before.

In general, I think zoom works fine if you're just watching people's
faces, and if the sound is good then the only thing I miss about real
life is the side interjections and glosses you get round a table which
can add a lot to the context of things. Now I live in Edinburgh I would
find it a pain to attend a lot of London meetings and so I value Zoom a
great deal.

I also love video calls - usually WhatsApp which doesn't care whether
you have an Iphone or an Android. I've seen my great-nieces do
completely adorable things that I would certainly have missed otherwise
and which are not conveyed by still photographs, and I've been able to
show people useful things or techniques that need live action to be
understood properly.

--
Kate B

BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 13/09/2023 10:16, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>> The mention of a new one elsewhere prompts me to ask what I have long
>> wondered - what's so special about i-stuff, apart from the price?  My
>> daughter has an i-phone which costs a small fortune every month, I have
>> a Samsung android 'phone and a Samsung android tablet and find both
>> entirely adequate and reliable - and affordable.
>>
>
> <YANAOU>
>
> iCrap stuff has a high level of interoperability which some people seem
> to like. It's there now in android/google devices too and I hate it - I
> like to be in control of what goes where and not e.g. autmagically have
> photos deleted everywhere when I delete them in 1 place.
>
> When BrratSki was an architecture student some 25 years ago I bought him
> a second hand Apple laptop thingummy as recommended for his course. I
> tried to use it myself and found it impossible as nothing was where you
> expected it to be and it was impossible to get behind the scenes. A
> friend who was a highly skilled robotics/AI/tech guru lost all his
> recordings on iTunes when they changed something and even he could not
> recover them. That was the last straw for me and I vowed never to touch
> them again.
>
> Some people like having it all done for them of course, but another
> aspect of this integration is that it makes it very difficult to leave
> the Apple universe too as nothing then works, which of course works for
> Apple.
>
>

Apple allows us with disabilities to use their systems almost unaided out
of the box.

But they aren’t what they were and I actively hate the latest update to the
iMac which has destroyed everything I loved about the original design
including the fact that there is much less support for large print as a
function because it’s cheaper to believe we all use audio.

Mrs McT

On 14.9.23 14:32, krw wrote:
> On 13.9.23 10:53, BrritSki wrote:
>> On 13/09/2023 10:16, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>>> The mention of a new one elsewhere prompts me to ask what I have long
>>> wondered - what's so special about i-stuff, apart from the price?  My
>>> daughter has an i-phone which costs a small fortune every month, I
>>> have a Samsung android 'phone and a Samsung android tablet and find
>>> both entirely adequate and reliable - and affordable.
>>>
>>
>> <YANAOU>
>>
>> iCrap stuff has a high level of interoperability which some people
>> seem to like. It's there now in android/google devices too and I hate
>> it - I like to be in control of what goes where and not e.g.
>> autmagically have photos deleted everywhere when I delete them in 1
>> place.
>>
>> When BrratSki was an architecture student some 25 years ago I bought
>> him a second hand Apple laptop thingummy as recommended for his
>> course. I tried to use it myself and found it impossible as nothing
>> was where you expected it to be and it was impossible to get behind
>> the scenes. A friend who was a highly skilled robotics/AI/tech guru
>> lost all his recordings on iTunes when they changed something and even
>> he could not recover them. That was the last straw for me and I vowed
>> never to touch them again.
>>
>> Some people like having it all done for them of course, but another
>> aspect of this integration is that it makes it very difficult to leave
>> the Apple universe too as nothing then works, which of course works
>> for Apple.
>>
>
> I have one which is used almost exclusively for web browsing to catch up
> news and more recently to play sudoku.  It is useful too to use for
> Teams and Zoom meetings as desktop does not have a camera and for some
> reason I do not understand people want to watch you these days.  When I
> made phone call I concentrated on listening.
>

Although yesterday when I needed it to do the Teams job the software
decided that it could not find the meeting and I had no method of making
the presentation (or for the meeting to even happen). I am not sure if
I should blame Apple of Microsoft but one of the two has caused me huge
embarrassment and I declare a plague on both their houses.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 14.9.23 19:08, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 14/09/2023 17:20, Jane Vernon wrote:
>> Also, since I have broken my shoulder
>
> Sorry to hear about that, Jane.  I hope you are healing satisfactorily.
>

Seconded.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
> On 13.9.23 10:53, BrritSki wrote:
>> On 13/09/2023 10:16, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>>> The mention of a new one elsewhere prompts me to ask what I have long
>>> wondered - what's so special about i-stuff, apart from the price?  My
>>> daughter has an i-phone which costs a small fortune every month, I
>>> have a Samsung android 'phone and a Samsung android tablet and find
>>> both entirely adequate and reliable - and affordable.
>>>
>>
>> <YANAOU>
>>
>> iCrap stuff has a high level of interoperability which some people seem
>> to like. It's there now in android/google devices too and I hate it - I
>> like to be in control of what goes where and not e.g. autmagically have
>> photos deleted everywhere when I delete them in 1 place.
>>
>> When BrratSki was an architecture student some 25 years ago I bought him
>> a second hand Apple laptop thingummy as recommended for his course. I
>> tried to use it myself and found it impossible as nothing was where you
>> expected it to be and it was impossible to get behind the scenes. A
>> friend who was a highly skilled robotics/AI/tech guru lost all his
>> recordings on iTunes when they changed something and even he could not
>> recover them. That was the last straw for me and I vowed never to touch
>> them again.
>>
>> Some people like having it all done for them of course, but another
>> aspect of this integration is that it makes it very difficult to leave
>> the Apple universe too as nothing then works, which of course works for
>> Apple.
>>
>
> I have one which is used almost exclusively for web browsing to catch up
> news and more recently to play sudoku. It is useful too to use for
> Teams and Zoom meetings as desktop does not have a camera and for some
> reason I do not understand people want to watch you these days. When I
> made phone call I concentrated on listening.
>

Turn the camera off, it saves bandwidth, crucial when talking to people
overseas where bandwidth is slow.

Mrs McT

On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 22:29:08 +0100, Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 14/09/2023 18:14, Vicky wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 15:44:32 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>

>>>>
>
>>
>> I did tai chi on zoom throughout lockdown. It was based in Kansas. I'm
>> doing a course of 4 more at present.
>
>I did taichi in lockdown too. I hated it. It was very difficult to learn
>anything new and I only managed it because I knew the teacher very well
>from proper classes before.
>

The teacher and her husband who also did some of the teaching found it
hard to adapt to being on zoom. They did things in reverse. Dorri was
better than Yao.

I admit I knew the outline of the 24 step form already from other
classes but Dorri is better online than a couple of other local
teachers are in person :)

https://wellness.gosignmeup.com/public/Course/browse?courseid=4001

You do not get the actual sensation that being in the same location
gives, but the movements are so carefully explained and taught it
works in a different way. I imagine her in person classes, some in a
park in summer. must be amazing. Sadly, they are in Kansas.

>In general, I think zoom works fine if you're just watching people's
>faces, and if the sound is good then the only thing I miss about real
>life is the side interjections and glosses you get round a table which
>can add a lot to the context of things. Now I live in Edinburgh I would
>find it a pain to attend a lot of London meetings and so I value Zoom a
>great deal.
>
>I also love video calls - usually WhatsApp which doesn't care whether
>you have an Iphone or an Android. I've seen my great-nieces do
>completely adorable things that I would certainly have missed otherwise
>and which are not conveyed by still photographs, and I've been able to
>show people useful things or techniques that need live action to be
>understood properly.

On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 18:11:08 +0100, Paul Herber wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 16:09:31 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com>
> wrote:
>
>>J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <20OdnZ6f6tbSvZ74nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> at Thu,
>>> 14 Sep 2023 16:01:34, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
>>>> On 14.9.23 15:52, Mike McMillan wrote:
>>> []
>>>>> Nothing in the ‘body language’ stakes comes even close to a pair
>>>>> of dog’s
>>>>> eyes when they want/need something!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Especially a labrador.
>>>>
>>> Oh, I don't know:
>>> https://255soft.uk/temp/
>>> %5Bopening%20crisps%20in%20pub%5D%20ETBC-1qXQAAhhVW.jpg
>>> (Can't remember where I got that - a tweet, I think. _Had_ to save it.)
>>
>>Error 404 - is it me or Whoosh?
>
>> https://255soft.uk/temp/
>> %5Bopening%20crisps%20in%20pub%5D%20ETBC-1qXQAAhhVW.jpg
>
> Works here.

They look rather apprehensive to me, as if they anticipate the
possibility of something happening that they would have to
strongly reprove. But I don't speak dog.

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:01:03 PM UTC, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <20OdnZ6f6tbSvZ74...@brightview.co.uk> at Thu,
> 14 Sep 2023 16:01:34, krw <k...@whitnet.uk> writes
> >On 14.9.23 15:52, Mike McMillan wrote:
> []
> >> Nothing in the ‘body language’ stakes comes even close to a pair
> >>of dog’s
> >> eyes when they want/need something!
> >>
> >
> >Especially a labrador.
> >
> Oh, I don't know:
> https://255soft.uk/temp/%5Bopening%20crisps%20in%20pub%5D%20ETBC-1qXQAAhh
> VW.jpg
> (Can't remember where I got that - a tweet, I think. _Had_ to save it.)

John: you probably want to put something such as an index.html file
into your temp directory. I accidentally ended up in there when I
clicked on the broken link. Sorry about that.

Lovely picture though.

Nick
nickodell49@yahoo.ca

In message <f7d93d53-3c4c-4a6a-9066-eb0335e2c3e5n@googlegroups.com> at
Fri, 15 Sep 2023 03:30:48, Nick Odell <nickodell@bigfoot.com> writes
>On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:01:030 []
>> Oh, I don't know:
>> https://255soft.uk/temp/%5Bopening%20crisps%20in%20pub%5D%20ETBC-1qXQAAhh
>> VW.jpg
>> (Can't remember where I got that - a tweet, I think. _Had_ to save it.)
>
>John: you probably want to put something such as an index.html file
>into your temp directory. I accidentally ended up in there when I
>clicked on the broken link. Sorry about that.

Actually, Krystal had some sort of default protection against that, so
when someone tried to go to a directory where there wasn't an index
file, they got something else - I think it might have been "you are not
authorised" or similar. I _do_ have index files in some of my folders,
but I _wanted_ to get a file list for folders that didn't have one (such
as the temp one), and they were happy to turn it off for me. So no
apology needed; browse away! There's nothing that great to find: I
basically use the temp directory in the way many people use things like
dropbox, but without imposing acres of script on people. (Looking at it
now, I ought to prune it a bit as some of the files were specific to a
time.)

https://255soft.uk/Bingo/ shows what you normally get from Krystal -
actually a 404. That folder actually does exist -
https://255soft.uk/Bingo/dir.txt shows what's there, and you can paste
them in - e. g. https://255soft.uk/Bingo/21.%202020_01_04%2021_45.MP4
>
>Lovely picture though.

Yes, I thought so!
>
>Nick
>nickodell49@yahoo.ca
John
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur". ("Anything is more impressive if
you say it in Latin")

On 15/09/2023 09:06, krw wrote:
> On 14.9.23 19:08, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>> On 14/09/2023 17:20, Jane Vernon wrote:
>>> Also, since I have broken my shoulder
>>
>> Sorry to hear about that, Jane.  I hope you are healing satisfactorily.
>>
>
> Seconded.
>
And echoed from here.

On 14/09/2023 19:08, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 14/09/2023 17:20, Jane Vernon wrote:
>> Also, since I have broken my shoulder
>
> Sorry to hear about that, Jane.  I hope you are healing satisfactorily.
>
<LW>

In message <kn2lleF9s0tU1@mid.individual.net> at Thu, 21 Sep 2023
11:53:26, BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes
>On 14/09/2023 19:08, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>> On 14/09/2023 17:20, Jane Vernon wrote:
>>> Also, since I have broken my shoulder
>> Sorry to hear about that, Jane.  I hope you are healing
>>satisfactorily.
>>
><LW>
>
Aren't they going to turn that off - to the anguish of cricket-followers
- when they run out of valves?

(Yes, agree with Jenny, of course.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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