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* E2E Encryption WoesAlan B
`* E2E Encryption WoesJörg_Lorenz
 +- E2E Encryption WoesAlan B
 `* E2E Encryption WoesDavid Kennedy
  +* E2E Encryption WoesJörg_Lorenz
  |`- E2E Encryption WoesDavid Kennedy
  +* E2E Encryption WoesChris
  |`* E2E Encryption WoesDavid Kennedy
  | +* E2E Encryption WoesAlan B
  | |`* E2E Encryption WoesDavid Kennedy
  | | `* E2E Encryption WoesAlan B
  | |  `- E2E Encryption WoesDavid Kennedy
  | `- E2E Encryption WoesChris
  `* E2E Encryption WoesPaul Mackenzie Smith
   +- E2E Encryption WoesAlan B
   `* E2E Encryption WoesChris Ridd
    `* E2E Encryption WoesSara Merriman
     +- E2E Encryption WoesDavid Kennedy
     `- E2E Encryption WoesChris Ridd

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E2E Encryption Woes

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Subject: E2E Encryption Woes
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 by: Alan B - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 06:25 UTC

Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British
government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused
permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security
services.

<https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/24/apple-security-updates-ban/>

--
Cheers, Alan

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From: hugybear@gmx.net (Jörg Lorenz)
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Subject: Re: E2E Encryption Woes
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 09:02:41 +0200
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 by: Jörg Lorenz - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 07:02 UTC

Am 31.08.23 um 08:25 schrieb Alan B:
> Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British
> government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused
> permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security
> services.
>
> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/24/apple-security-updates-ban/>

Never seen so much incompetence!
And the British people should immediately fight back. This government is
trying to put fundamental human rights at its disposition.

--
Alea iacta est

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 by: Alan B - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 07:04 UTC

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> Am 31.08.23 um 08:25 schrieb Alan B:
>> Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British
>> government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused
>> permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security
>> services.
>>
>> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/24/apple-security-updates-ban/>
>
> Never seen so much incompetence!
> And the British people should immediately fight back. This government is
> trying to put fundamental human rights at its disposition.

Hopefully they won’t be in power for much longer!

Creuncf gurl’yy jnag gb ona EBG13 gbb?

--
Cheers, Alan

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 by: David Kennedy - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 12:18 UTC

On 31/08/2023 08:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 31.08.23 um 08:25 schrieb Alan B:
>> Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British
>> government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused
>> permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security
>> services.
>>
>> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/24/apple-security-updates-ban/>
>
> Never seen so much incompetence!
> And the British people should immediately fight back. This government is
> trying to put fundamental human rights at its disposition.
>

Why on earth would they fight back?

This is exactly what they want. They voted them in.

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Subject: Re: E2E Encryption Woes
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 by: Jörg Lorenz - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 15:45 UTC

Am 31.08.23 um 14:18 schrieb David Kennedy:
> On 31/08/2023 08:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 31.08.23 um 08:25 schrieb Alan B:
>>> Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British
>>> government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused
>>> permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security
>>> services.
>>>
>>> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/24/apple-security-updates-ban/>
>>
>> Never seen so much incompetence!
>> And the British people should immediately fight back. This government is
>> trying to put fundamental human rights at its disposition.
>>
>
> Why on earth would they fight back?
>
> This is exactly what they want. They voted them in.

Time is running out quickly!
Voted in with tons of lies and unfulfilled promises?
*LOL*

--
Manus manum lavat

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 by: David Kennedy - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 16:14 UTC

On 31/08/2023 16:45, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 31.08.23 um 14:18 schrieb David Kennedy:
>> On 31/08/2023 08:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 31.08.23 um 08:25 schrieb Alan B:
>>>> Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British
>>>> government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused
>>>> permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security
>>>> services.
>>>>
>>>> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/24/apple-security-updates-ban/>
>>>
>>> Never seen so much incompetence!
>>> And the British people should immediately fight back. This government is
>>> trying to put fundamental human rights at its disposition.
>>>
>>
>> Why on earth would they fight back?
>>
>> This is exactly what they want. They voted them in.
>
> Time is running out quickly!
> Voted in with tons of lies and unfulfilled promises?
> *LOL*
>

Correct. And now that they have realised that the only people to benefit are
the ones who proposed it?

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 by: Chris - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 19:27 UTC

David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 31/08/2023 08:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 31.08.23 um 08:25 schrieb Alan B:
>>> Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British
>>> government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused
>>> permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security
>>> services.
>>>
>>> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/24/apple-security-updates-ban/>
>>
>> Never seen so much incompetence!
>> And the British people should immediately fight back. This government is
>> trying to put fundamental human rights at its disposition.
>>
>
> Why on earth would they fight back?
>
> This is exactly what they want. They voted them in.

Thanks to FPTP only 38% of people voted for them.

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 by: David Kennedy - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 05:18 UTC

On 31/08/2023 20:27, Chris wrote:
> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 31/08/2023 08:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 31.08.23 um 08:25 schrieb Alan B:
>>>> Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British
>>>> government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused
>>>> permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security
>>>> services.
>>>>
>>>> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/24/apple-security-updates-ban/>
>>>
>>> Never seen so much incompetence!
>>> And the British people should immediately fight back. This government is
>>> trying to put fundamental human rights at its disposition.
>>>
>>
>> Why on earth would they fight back?
>>
>> This is exactly what they want. They voted them in.
>
> Thanks to FPTP only 38% of people voted for them.
>
But it must be the right system, after all, if it wasn't then the government
would change it.

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 by: Alan B - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 05:23 UTC

David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 31/08/2023 20:27, Chris wrote:
>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 31/08/2023 08:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> Am 31.08.23 um 08:25 schrieb Alan B:
>>>>> Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British
>>>>> government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused
>>>>> permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security
>>>>> services.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/24/apple-security-updates-ban/>
>>>>
>>>> Never seen so much incompetence!
>>>> And the British people should immediately fight back. This government is
>>>> trying to put fundamental human rights at its disposition.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why on earth would they fight back?
>>>
>>> This is exactly what they want. They voted them in.
>>
>> Thanks to FPTP only 38% of people voted for them.
>>
> But it must be the right system, after all, if it wasn't then the government
> would change it.

Hey! I just saw a pig fly by ;)

--
Cheers, Alan

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 by: David Kennedy - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 06:49 UTC

On 01/09/2023 06:23, Alan B wrote:
> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 31/08/2023 20:27, Chris wrote:
>>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 31/08/2023 08:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> Am 31.08.23 um 08:25 schrieb Alan B:
>>>>>> Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British
>>>>>> government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused
>>>>>> permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security
>>>>>> services.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/24/apple-security-updates-ban/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Never seen so much incompetence!
>>>>> And the British people should immediately fight back. This government is
>>>>> trying to put fundamental human rights at its disposition.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why on earth would they fight back?
>>>>
>>>> This is exactly what they want. They voted them in.
>>>
>>> Thanks to FPTP only 38% of people voted for them.
>>>
>> But it must be the right system, after all, if it wasn't then the government
>> would change it.
>
> Hey! I just saw a pig fly by ;)
>
I think that must have been Ben Wallace...

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 by: Alan B - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 07:51 UTC

David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 01/09/2023 06:23, Alan B wrote:
>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 31/08/2023 20:27, Chris wrote:
>>>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 31/08/2023 08:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>> Am 31.08.23 um 08:25 schrieb Alan B:
>>>>>>> Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British
>>>>>>> government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused
>>>>>>> permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security
>>>>>>> services.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/24/apple-security-updates-ban/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never seen so much incompetence!
>>>>>> And the British people should immediately fight back. This government is
>>>>>> trying to put fundamental human rights at its disposition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why on earth would they fight back?
>>>>>
>>>>> This is exactly what they want. They voted them in.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to FPTP only 38% of people voted for them.
>>>>
>>> But it must be the right system, after all, if it wasn't then the government
>>> would change it.
>>
>> Hey! I just saw a pig fly by ;)
>>
> I think that must have been Ben Wallace...

… and some Grant chappy going t’other way.

--
Cheers, Alan

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 by: David Kennedy - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 08:17 UTC

On 01/09/2023 08:51, Alan B wrote:
> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 01/09/2023 06:23, Alan B wrote:
>>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 31/08/2023 20:27, Chris wrote:
>>>>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 31/08/2023 08:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 31.08.23 um 08:25 schrieb Alan B:
>>>>>>>> Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British
>>>>>>>> government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused
>>>>>>>> permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security
>>>>>>>> services.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/24/apple-security-updates-ban/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never seen so much incompetence!
>>>>>>> And the British people should immediately fight back. This government is
>>>>>>> trying to put fundamental human rights at its disposition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why on earth would they fight back?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is exactly what they want. They voted them in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to FPTP only 38% of people voted for them.
>>>>>
>>>> But it must be the right system, after all, if it wasn't then the government
>>>> would change it.
>>>
>>> Hey! I just saw a pig fly by ;)
>>>
>> I think that must have been Ben Wallace...
>
> … and some Grant chappy going t’other way.
>
The dodgy chappy you mean?

<https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp>

Of course, he was also home secretary (even if it was only for a week) when
Lettuce Truss was in power.

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 by: Paul Mackenzie Smith - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 10:36 UTC

On 31 Aug 2023 at 13:18:59 BST, "David Kennedy" <davidkennedygm@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 31/08/2023 08:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 31.08.23 um 08:25 schrieb Alan B:
>>> Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British
>>> government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused
>>> permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security
>>> services.
>>>
>>> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/24/apple-security-updates-ban/>
>>
>> Never seen so much incompetence!
>> And the British people should immediately fight back. This government is
>> trying to put fundamental human rights at its disposition.
>>
>
> Why on earth would they fight back?
>
> This is exactly what they want. They voted them in.

A hell of a lot of us didn't.

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 by: Alan B - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 10:59 UTC

Paul Mackenzie Smith <paulms@bluepithyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On 31 Aug 2023 at 13:18:59 BST, "David Kennedy" <davidkennedygm@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 31/08/2023 08:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 31.08.23 um 08:25 schrieb Alan B:
>>>> Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British
>>>> government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused
>>>> permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security
>>>> services.
>>>>
>>>> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/24/apple-security-updates-ban/>
>>>
>>> Never seen so much incompetence!
>>> And the British people should immediately fight back. This government is
>>> trying to put fundamental human rights at its disposition.
>>>
>>
>> Why on earth would they fight back?
>>
>> This is exactly what they want. They voted them in.
>
> A hell of a lot of us didn't.

And those that did maybe suffering from BDS now ;)

<https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nadine-dorries-boris-johnson-derangement-syndrome-b2400191.html>

--
Cheers, Alan

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 by: Chris - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 16:25 UTC

David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 31/08/2023 20:27, Chris wrote:
>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 31/08/2023 08:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> Am 31.08.23 um 08:25 schrieb Alan B:
>>>>> Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British
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>>>>> permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security
>>>>> services.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/24/apple-security-updates-ban/>
>>>>
>>>> Never seen so much incompetence!
>>>> And the British people should immediately fight back. This government is
>>>> trying to put fundamental human rights at its disposition.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why on earth would they fight back?
>>>
>>> This is exactly what they want. They voted them in.
>>
>> Thanks to FPTP only 38% of people voted for them.
>>
> But it must be the right system, after all, if it wasn't then the government
> would change it.

It's the system that gets the sort of government we keep getting and it
suits them not us.

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 by: Chris Ridd - Sat, 2 Sep 2023 08:22 UTC

On 01/09/2023 11:36, Paul Mackenzie Smith wrote:
> On 31 Aug 2023 at 13:18:59 BST, "David Kennedy" <davidkennedygm@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 31/08/2023 08:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 31.08.23 um 08:25 schrieb Alan B:
>>>> Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British
>>>> government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused
>>>> permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security
>>>> services.
>>>>
>>>> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/24/apple-security-updates-ban/>
>>>
>>> Never seen so much incompetence!
>>> And the British people should immediately fight back. This government is
>>> trying to put fundamental human rights at its disposition.
>>>
>>
>> Why on earth would they fight back?
>>
>> This is exactly what they want. They voted them in.
>
> A hell of a lot of us didn't.

You may wish to join or donate to the Open Rights Group, which pushes
back against this sort of thing.

https://www.openrightsgroup.org/

--
Chris

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 by: Sara Merriman - Sat, 2 Sep 2023 09:59 UTC

On 2 Sep 2023 at 09:22:24 BST, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:

> this sort of thing

careful now!

(sorry - couldnt resist!)

--
Spike is a sturdy birdy

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 by: David Kennedy - Sat, 2 Sep 2023 14:47 UTC

On 02/09/2023 10:59, Sara Merriman wrote:
> On 2 Sep 2023 at 09:22:24 BST, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> this sort of thing
>
> careful now!
>
> (sorry - couldnt resist!)
>

Chris is a well known rouser of rabbles...

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On 02/09/2023 10:59, Sara Merriman wrote:
> On 2 Sep 2023 at 09:22:24 BST, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:
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>> this sort of thing
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> careful now!
>
> (sorry - couldnt resist!)

I did indeed have them in mind ;-)

--
Chris

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