On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:22:37 -0000, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 01:08:18 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/26/2023 7:39 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 12:54:55 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:34:30 +0000, dgb <dgbisat@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 26/02/2023 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>> dgb formulated the question :
>>>>>>> On 26/02/2023 04:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 21:04:26 -0000, David Brooks
>>>>>>>> <DavidB@a.new.address> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2023 20:10, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Agreed, but I didn't even consider the destination since he was
>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>> about the source.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you once told me that if one can see an image on one's
>>>>>>>>> computer screen it will be 'engraved' on one's computer /somewhere./
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't believe that I used 'engraved' but I may have said that seeing a
>>>>>> photo on your screen means that you downloaded it. By download I don't
>>>>>> mean it has to land on the HD or in your 'downloads' directory. Your
>>>>>> browser possibly uses the disk for some temp files. Basically, I was
>>>>>> saying "If you see it on your computer, it is there already." If you
>>>>>> play a copyrighted video file, it is there, if you move it from there to
>>>>>> another directory, you might be liable for copyright infringement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Streaming 'downloads' a stream a chunk at a time so you may never
>>>>>> actually have the 'whole thing' at any time.
>>>>>
>>>>> All understood.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I always have imagined that that 'somewhere' would be on one's hard
>>>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your imagination is incorrect. It could be in RAM, which disappears
>>>>>>>> if you cut the power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Someone else claimed that! Thank you. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, you just told us that you 'imagined' it going to the HD.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I did say that! Someone else ('nospam'?) claimed that RAM was
>>>>> another place to store data in addition to one's hard drive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> RAM is another place where data can be, but I wouldn't call that
>>>> "storing." To me, "storing" implies permanence.
>>>
>>> For most of the first year that I had only a Commodore64, RAM was the
>>> only type of storage that I had available. I finally added a Datassette
>>> (cassette tape storage), but before that I just kept the C64 powered on
>>> so that I wouldn't lose my programs. So for me, and from an early age,
>>> RAM is definitely a type of storage, even more so once RAM drives came
>>> along.
>>>
>>
>> The ZX81 was like that. Cassette recorder, some sorta FSK audio.
>> It would take ten or fifteen minutes to load chess.
>> I had 16KB of RAM (just so I could use chess).
>
>
> I never had a ZX81, nor any other kind of PC before the early days of
> the IBM XT, but I did play chess on several different computers my
> friends had. In my experience, those programs were always terrible,
> and I could beat them easily.
>
> These days, it's the other way around, of course. There are several
> programs that are much better than I ever was; I have a couple--Fritz
> and Rybka. There are even a few that can beat almost anyone.

I thought there are now programs which can beat the grandmaster?

On Mar 12, 2023 at 4:19:09 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.11pu171umvhs6z@ryzen.home>:

> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:22:37 -0000, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 01:08:18 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/26/2023 7:39 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 12:54:55 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:34:30 +0000, dgb <dgbisat@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26/02/2023 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>> dgb formulated the question :
>>>>>>>> On 26/02/2023 04:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 21:04:26 -0000, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>> <DavidB@a.new.address> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2023 20:10, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed, but I didn't even consider the destination since he was
>>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>> about the source.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you once told me that if one can see an image on one's
>>>>>>>>>> computer screen it will be 'engraved' on one's computer /somewhere./
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't believe that I used 'engraved' but I may have said that seeing a
>>>>>>> photo on your screen means that you downloaded it. By download I don't
>>>>>>> mean it has to land on the HD or in your 'downloads' directory. Your
>>>>>>> browser possibly uses the disk for some temp files. Basically, I was
>>>>>>> saying "If you see it on your computer, it is there already." If you
>>>>>>> play a copyrighted video file, it is there, if you move it from there to
>>>>>>> another directory, you might be liable for copyright infringement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Streaming 'downloads' a stream a chunk at a time so you may never
>>>>>>> actually have the 'whole thing' at any time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All understood.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I always have imagined that that 'somewhere' would be on one's hard
>>>>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your imagination is incorrect. It could be in RAM, which disappears
>>>>>>>>> if you cut the power.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Someone else claimed that! Thank you. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, you just told us that you 'imagined' it going to the HD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I did say that! Someone else ('nospam'?) claimed that RAM was
>>>>>> another place to store data in addition to one's hard drive.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> RAM is another place where data can be, but I wouldn't call that
>>>>> "storing." To me, "storing" implies permanence.
>>>>
>>>> For most of the first year that I had only a Commodore64, RAM was the
>>>> only type of storage that I had available. I finally added a Datassette
>>>> (cassette tape storage), but before that I just kept the C64 powered on
>>>> so that I wouldn't lose my programs. So for me, and from an early age,
>>>> RAM is definitely a type of storage, even more so once RAM drives came
>>>> along.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The ZX81 was like that. Cassette recorder, some sorta FSK audio.
>>> It would take ten or fifteen minutes to load chess.
>>> I had 16KB of RAM (just so I could use chess).
>>
>>
>> I never had a ZX81, nor any other kind of PC before the early days of
>> the IBM XT, but I did play chess on several different computers my
>> friends had. In my experience, those programs were always terrible,
>> and I could beat them easily.
>>
>> These days, it's the other way around, of course. There are several
>> programs that are much better than I ever was; I have a couple--Fritz
>> and Rybka. There are even a few that can beat almost anyone.
>
> I thought there are now programs which can beat the grandmaster?

Yup. Not sure if they do it 100% of the time, but they are damned good.

--
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 23:22:47 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mar 12, 2023 at 4:19:09 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
><op.11pu171umvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
>
>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:22:37 -0000, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 01:08:18 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/26/2023 7:39 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 12:54:55 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:34:30 +0000, dgb <dgbisat@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26/02/2023 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>> dgb formulated the question :
>>>>>>>>> On 26/02/2023 04:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 21:04:26 -0000, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>> <DavidB@a.new.address> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2023 20:10, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed, but I didn't even consider the destination since he was
>>>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>>> about the source.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you once told me that if one can see an image on one's
>>>>>>>>>>> computer screen it will be 'engraved' on one's computer /somewhere./
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't believe that I used 'engraved' but I may have said that seeing a
>>>>>>>> photo on your screen means that you downloaded it. By download I don't
>>>>>>>> mean it has to land on the HD or in your 'downloads' directory. Your
>>>>>>>> browser possibly uses the disk for some temp files. Basically, I was
>>>>>>>> saying "If you see it on your computer, it is there already." If you
>>>>>>>> play a copyrighted video file, it is there, if you move it from there to
>>>>>>>> another directory, you might be liable for copyright infringement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Streaming 'downloads' a stream a chunk at a time so you may never
>>>>>>>> actually have the 'whole thing' at any time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All understood.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I always have imagined that that 'somewhere' would be on one's hard
>>>>>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your imagination is incorrect. It could be in RAM, which disappears
>>>>>>>>>> if you cut the power.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Someone else claimed that! Thank you. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, you just told us that you 'imagined' it going to the HD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I did say that! Someone else ('nospam'?) claimed that RAM was
>>>>>>> another place to store data in addition to one's hard drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RAM is another place where data can be, but I wouldn't call that
>>>>>> "storing." To me, "storing" implies permanence.
>>>>>
>>>>> For most of the first year that I had only a Commodore64, RAM was the
>>>>> only type of storage that I had available. I finally added a Datassette
>>>>> (cassette tape storage), but before that I just kept the C64 powered on
>>>>> so that I wouldn't lose my programs. So for me, and from an early age,
>>>>> RAM is definitely a type of storage, even more so once RAM drives came
>>>>> along.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The ZX81 was like that. Cassette recorder, some sorta FSK audio.
>>>> It would take ten or fifteen minutes to load chess.
>>>> I had 16KB of RAM (just so I could use chess).
>>>
>>>
>>> I never had a ZX81, nor any other kind of PC before the early days of
>>> the IBM XT, but I did play chess on several different computers my
>>> friends had. In my experience, those programs were always terrible,
>>> and I could beat them easily.
>>>
>>> These days, it's the other way around, of course. There are several
>>> programs that are much better than I ever was; I have a couple--Fritz
>>> and Rybka. There are even a few that can beat almost anyone.
>>
>> I thought there are now programs which can beat the grandmaster?
>
>Yup. Not sure if they do it 100% of the time, but they are damned good.

Yes, Alpha Zero and Stockfish.

On Mar 12, 2023 at 4:42:03 PM MST, "Ken Blake" wrote
<jlos0i5c97uj7gv7nilem6k7m13m44imn9@4ax.com>:

> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 23:22:47 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 12, 2023 at 4:19:09 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.11pu171umvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
>>
>>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:22:37 -0000, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 01:08:18 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/26/2023 7:39 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 12:54:55 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:34:30 +0000, dgb <dgbisat@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26/02/2023 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>>> dgb formulated the question :
>>>>>>>>>> On 26/02/2023 04:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 21:04:26 -0000, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>> <DavidB@a.new.address> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2023 20:10, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed, but I didn't even consider the destination since he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you once told me that if one can see an image on one's
>>>>>>>>>>>> computer screen it will be 'engraved' on one's computer /somewhere./
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't believe that I used 'engraved' but I may have said that seeing a
>>>>>>>>> photo on your screen means that you downloaded it. By download I don't
>>>>>>>>> mean it has to land on the HD or in your 'downloads' directory. Your
>>>>>>>>> browser possibly uses the disk for some temp files. Basically, I was
>>>>>>>>> saying "If you see it on your computer, it is there already." If you
>>>>>>>>> play a copyrighted video file, it is there, if you move it from there to
>>>>>>>>> another directory, you might be liable for copyright infringement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Streaming 'downloads' a stream a chunk at a time so you may never
>>>>>>>>> actually have the 'whole thing' at any time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All understood.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I always have imagined that that 'somewhere' would be on one's hard
>>>>>>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your imagination is incorrect. It could be in RAM, which disappears
>>>>>>>>>>> if you cut the power.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Someone else claimed that! Thank you. :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, you just told us that you 'imagined' it going to the HD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I did say that! Someone else ('nospam'?) claimed that RAM was
>>>>>>>> another place to store data in addition to one's hard drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RAM is another place where data can be, but I wouldn't call that
>>>>>>> "storing." To me, "storing" implies permanence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For most of the first year that I had only a Commodore64, RAM was the
>>>>>> only type of storage that I had available. I finally added a Datassette
>>>>>> (cassette tape storage), but before that I just kept the C64 powered on
>>>>>> so that I wouldn't lose my programs. So for me, and from an early age,
>>>>>> RAM is definitely a type of storage, even more so once RAM drives came
>>>>>> along.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The ZX81 was like that. Cassette recorder, some sorta FSK audio.
>>>>> It would take ten or fifteen minutes to load chess.
>>>>> I had 16KB of RAM (just so I could use chess).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I never had a ZX81, nor any other kind of PC before the early days of
>>>> the IBM XT, but I did play chess on several different computers my
>>>> friends had. In my experience, those programs were always terrible,
>>>> and I could beat them easily.
>>>>
>>>> These days, it's the other way around, of course. There are several
>>>> programs that are much better than I ever was; I have a couple--Fritz
>>>> and Rybka. There are even a few that can beat almost anyone.
>>>
>>> I thought there are now programs which can beat the grandmaster?
>>
>> Yup. Not sure if they do it 100% of the time, but they are damned good.
>
>
> Yes, Alpha Zero and Stockfish.

Is Stockfish one of the ones that beats the best? I did not know that. I knew
it was good.

--
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 23:47:55 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mar 12, 2023 at 4:42:03 PM MST, "Ken Blake" wrote
><jlos0i5c97uj7gv7nilem6k7m13m44imn9@4ax.com>:
>
>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 23:22:47 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2023 at 4:19:09 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.11pu171umvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:22:37 -0000, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 01:08:18 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/26/2023 7:39 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 12:54:55 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:34:30 +0000, dgb <dgbisat@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 26/02/2023 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> dgb formulated the question :
>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/02/2023 04:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 21:04:26 -0000, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>>> <DavidB@a.new.address> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2023 20:10, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed, but I didn't even consider the destination since he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you once told me that if one can see an image on one's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer screen it will be 'engraved' on one's computer /somewhere./
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe that I used 'engraved' but I may have said that seeing a
>>>>>>>>>> photo on your screen means that you downloaded it. By download I don't
>>>>>>>>>> mean it has to land on the HD or in your 'downloads' directory. Your
>>>>>>>>>> browser possibly uses the disk for some temp files. Basically, I was
>>>>>>>>>> saying "If you see it on your computer, it is there already." If you
>>>>>>>>>> play a copyrighted video file, it is there, if you move it from there to
>>>>>>>>>> another directory, you might be liable for copyright infringement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Streaming 'downloads' a stream a chunk at a time so you may never
>>>>>>>>>> actually have the 'whole thing' at any time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All understood.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always have imagined that that 'somewhere' would be on one's hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your imagination is incorrect. It could be in RAM, which disappears
>>>>>>>>>>>> if you cut the power.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Someone else claimed that! Thank you. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, you just told us that you 'imagined' it going to the HD.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did say that! Someone else ('nospam'?) claimed that RAM was
>>>>>>>>> another place to store data in addition to one's hard drive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RAM is another place where data can be, but I wouldn't call that
>>>>>>>> "storing." To me, "storing" implies permanence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For most of the first year that I had only a Commodore64, RAM was the
>>>>>>> only type of storage that I had available. I finally added a Datassette
>>>>>>> (cassette tape storage), but before that I just kept the C64 powered on
>>>>>>> so that I wouldn't lose my programs. So for me, and from an early age,
>>>>>>> RAM is definitely a type of storage, even more so once RAM drives came
>>>>>>> along.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ZX81 was like that. Cassette recorder, some sorta FSK audio.
>>>>>> It would take ten or fifteen minutes to load chess.
>>>>>> I had 16KB of RAM (just so I could use chess).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I never had a ZX81, nor any other kind of PC before the early days of
>>>>> the IBM XT, but I did play chess on several different computers my
>>>>> friends had. In my experience, those programs were always terrible,
>>>>> and I could beat them easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> These days, it's the other way around, of course. There are several
>>>>> programs that are much better than I ever was; I have a couple--Fritz
>>>>> and Rybka. There are even a few that can beat almost anyone.
>>>>
>>>> I thought there are now programs which can beat the grandmaster?
>>>
>>> Yup. Not sure if they do it 100% of the time, but they are damned good.
>>
>>
>> Yes, Alpha Zero and Stockfish.
>
>Is Stockfish one of the ones that beats the best? I did not know that. I knew
>it was good.

I think only some of the time. Apparently Alpha Zero is better.

On Mar 13, 2023 at 10:04:34 AM MST, "Ken Blake" wrote
<7rlu0itnv7cp0hhv5vdoaadritn6ocg3dk@4ax.com>:

>>>>>> These days, it's the other way around, of course. There are several
>>>>>> programs that are much better than I ever was; I have a couple--Fritz
>>>>>> and Rybka. There are even a few that can beat almost anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought there are now programs which can beat the grandmaster?
>>>>
>>>> Yup. Not sure if they do it 100% of the time, but they are damned good.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, Alpha Zero and Stockfish.
>>
>> Is Stockfish one of the ones that beats the best? I did not know that. I knew
>> it was good.
>
> I think only some of the time. Apparently Alpha Zero is better.

My understanding is Alpha Zero is better... but we can also talk about my
understanding of the details of quantum physics and I would be just as
knowledgeable. :)

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 23:47:55 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 12, 2023 at 4:42:03 PM MST, "Ken Blake" wrote
> <jlos0i5c97uj7gv7nilem6k7m13m44imn9@4ax.com>:
>
>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 23:22:47 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2023 at 4:19:09 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.11pu171umvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:22:37 -0000, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 01:08:18 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/26/2023 7:39 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 12:54:55 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:34:30 +0000, dgb <dgbisat@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 26/02/2023 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> dgb formulated the question :
>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/02/2023 04:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 21:04:26 -0000, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>>> <DavidB@a.new.address> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2023 20:10, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed, but I didn't even consider the destination since he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you once told me that if one can see an image on one's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer screen it will be 'engraved' on one's computer /somewhere./
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe that I used 'engraved' but I may have said that seeing a
>>>>>>>>>> photo on your screen means that you downloaded it. By download I don't
>>>>>>>>>> mean it has to land on the HD or in your 'downloads' directory. Your
>>>>>>>>>> browser possibly uses the disk for some temp files. Basically, I was
>>>>>>>>>> saying "If you see it on your computer, it is there already." If you
>>>>>>>>>> play a copyrighted video file, it is there, if you move it from there to
>>>>>>>>>> another directory, you might be liable for copyright infringement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Streaming 'downloads' a stream a chunk at a time so you may never
>>>>>>>>>> actually have the 'whole thing' at any time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All understood.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always have imagined that that 'somewhere' would be on one's hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your imagination is incorrect. It could be in RAM, which disappears
>>>>>>>>>>>> if you cut the power.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Someone else claimed that! Thank you. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, you just told us that you 'imagined' it going to the HD.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did say that! Someone else ('nospam'?) claimed that RAM was
>>>>>>>>> another place to store data in addition to one's hard drive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RAM is another place where data can be, but I wouldn't call that
>>>>>>>> "storing." To me, "storing" implies permanence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For most of the first year that I had only a Commodore64, RAM was the
>>>>>>> only type of storage that I had available. I finally added a Datassette
>>>>>>> (cassette tape storage), but before that I just kept the C64 powered on
>>>>>>> so that I wouldn't lose my programs. So for me, and from an early age,
>>>>>>> RAM is definitely a type of storage, even more so once RAM drives came
>>>>>>> along.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ZX81 was like that. Cassette recorder, some sorta FSK audio.
>>>>>> It would take ten or fifteen minutes to load chess.
>>>>>> I had 16KB of RAM (just so I could use chess).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I never had a ZX81, nor any other kind of PC before the early days of
>>>>> the IBM XT, but I did play chess on several different computers my
>>>>> friends had. In my experience, those programs were always terrible,
>>>>> and I could beat them easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> These days, it's the other way around, of course. There are several
>>>>> programs that are much better than I ever was; I have a couple--Fritz
>>>>> and Rybka. There are even a few that can beat almost anyone.
>>>>
>>>> I thought there are now programs which can beat the grandmaster?
>>>
>>> Yup. Not sure if they do it 100% of the time, but they are damned good.
>>
>>
>> Yes, Alpha Zero and Stockfish.
>
> Is Stockfish one of the ones that beats the best? I did not know that. I knew
> it was good.

It's on my phone! It failed to beat my dad's antique computer. Although my phone has a faster processor (stockfish will use all 8 cores, he only has 2), the shitty Samsung only has 2GB of RAM, he had 8. I didn't bother playing it against the new i5 computer I gave him with 64GB RAM.

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 17:04:34 -0000, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 23:47:55 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 12, 2023 at 4:42:03 PM MST, "Ken Blake" wrote
>> <jlos0i5c97uj7gv7nilem6k7m13m44imn9@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 23:22:47 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2023 at 4:19:09 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.11pu171umvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:22:37 -0000, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 01:08:18 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/26/2023 7:39 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 12:54:55 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:34:30 +0000, dgb <dgbisat@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 26/02/2023 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> dgb formulated the question :
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/02/2023 04:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 21:04:26 -0000, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <DavidB@a.new.address> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2023 20:10, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed, but I didn't even consider the destination since he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you once told me that if one can see an image on one's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer screen it will be 'engraved' on one's computer /somewhere./
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe that I used 'engraved' but I may have said that seeing a
>>>>>>>>>>> photo on your screen means that you downloaded it. By download I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> mean it has to land on the HD or in your 'downloads' directory. Your
>>>>>>>>>>> browser possibly uses the disk for some temp files. Basically, I was
>>>>>>>>>>> saying "If you see it on your computer, it is there already." If you
>>>>>>>>>>> play a copyrighted video file, it is there, if you move it from there to
>>>>>>>>>>> another directory, you might be liable for copyright infringement.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Streaming 'downloads' a stream a chunk at a time so you may never
>>>>>>>>>>> actually have the 'whole thing' at any time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All understood.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always have imagined that that 'somewhere' would be on one's hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your imagination is incorrect. It could be in RAM, which disappears
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you cut the power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone else claimed that! Thank you. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, you just told us that you 'imagined' it going to the HD.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did say that! Someone else ('nospam'?) claimed that RAM was
>>>>>>>>>> another place to store data in addition to one's hard drive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> RAM is another place where data can be, but I wouldn't call that
>>>>>>>>> "storing." To me, "storing" implies permanence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For most of the first year that I had only a Commodore64, RAM was the
>>>>>>>> only type of storage that I had available. I finally added a Datassette
>>>>>>>> (cassette tape storage), but before that I just kept the C64 powered on
>>>>>>>> so that I wouldn't lose my programs. So for me, and from an early age,
>>>>>>>> RAM is definitely a type of storage, even more so once RAM drives came
>>>>>>>> along.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ZX81 was like that. Cassette recorder, some sorta FSK audio.
>>>>>>> It would take ten or fifteen minutes to load chess.
>>>>>>> I had 16KB of RAM (just so I could use chess).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never had a ZX81, nor any other kind of PC before the early days of
>>>>>> the IBM XT, but I did play chess on several different computers my
>>>>>> friends had. In my experience, those programs were always terrible,
>>>>>> and I could beat them easily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These days, it's the other way around, of course. There are several
>>>>>> programs that are much better than I ever was; I have a couple--Fritz
>>>>>> and Rybka. There are even a few that can beat almost anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought there are now programs which can beat the grandmaster?
>>>>
>>>> Yup. Not sure if they do it 100% of the time, but they are damned good.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, Alpha Zero and Stockfish.
>>
>> Is Stockfish one of the ones that beats the best? I did not know that. I knew
>> it was good.
>
>
> I think only some of the time. Apparently Alpha Zero is better.

I thought only one could beat stockfish, and it's GPU based engine. Can't find it now.

On Mar 19, 2023 at 2:48:40 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.112pjeynmvhs6z@ryzen.home>:

>>>> Yup. Not sure if they do it 100% of the time, but they are damned good.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, Alpha Zero and Stockfish.
>>
>> Is Stockfish one of the ones that beats the best? I did not know that. I knew
>> it was good.
>
> It's on my phone! It failed to beat my dad's antique computer. Although my
> phone has a faster processor (stockfish will use all 8 cores, he only has 2),
> the shitty Samsung only has 2GB of RAM, he had 8. I didn't bother playing it
> against the new i5 computer I gave him with 64GB RAM.

Makes sense it needs lots of resources to be anywhere near its best.

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