As title.

--

-Pip

On 04/11/2023 20:22, Pipl wrote:
> As title.

Can't thnk of areason, let alone a good one. Suck it and see.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 05/11/2023 04:22 Pipl penned these words:
> As title.
>
>

As in Thunderbird? Nope been using for mail/news for a while. It used to play
silly buggers sometimes with eternal September but at some point to use multiple
servers I installed leafnode as a local server and it has been golden. The
filters are not great but not bad.
--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On 04/11/2023 23:36, Boots wrote:
> On 05/11/2023 04:22 Pipl penned these words:
>> As title.
>>
>>
>
> As in Thunderbird? Nope been using for mail/news for a while. It used to play
> silly buggers sometimes with eternal September but at some point to use multiple
> servers I installed leafnode as a local server and it has been golden. The
> filters are not great but not bad.
>
Filters OK, but rather fugitive if you aren't into the *very* fine
details of what can be done but what isn't a regular feature like
'sender', 'subject', 'is' & 'contains': qv my question about KF on User
Agent, Mailer &c. (Can't remember which NG, but I think it was
u.r.sheds, but may have been elsewhere in an appropriate thread.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
> As title.

If you use it for Usenet, don't also use it for email. There have been a
number of postings from people who meant to send an email but ended up
posting the message to a newsgroup instead. That can be embarrassing...

Theo

El Sat, 04 Nov 2023 20:22:50 +0000, Pipl escribió:

> As title.

I prefer to not have all my eggs in one basket.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es

On 04/11/2023 20:22, Pipl wrote:
> As title.
>
>

No reason at all.

I've used it on all sorts of OSes over the years.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 05/11/2023 14:09, Theo wrote:
> Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> As title.
>
> If you use it for Usenet, don't also use it for email. There have been a
> number of postings from people who meant to send an email but ended up
> posting the message to a newsgroup instead. That can be embarrassing...
>

Seems a poor reason to not use it.
I used Tbird for multiple email accounts, and NG access.

I am more likely to send an email rom the wrong account to a client than
anything else

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 05/11/2023 14:09, Theo wrote:
> Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> As title.
>
> If you use it for Usenet, don't also use it for email. There have been a
> number of postings from people who meant to send an email but ended up
> posting the message to a newsgroup instead. That can be embarrassing...

No problem: use a munged (invalid) address for news, like I do.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 05/11/2023 22:09 Theo penned these words:
> Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> As title.
>
> If you use it for Usenet, don't also use it for email. There have been a
> number of postings from people who meant to send an email but ended up
> posting the message to a newsgroup instead. That can be embarrassing...
>
> Theo

<tempts fate>
I've never yet done this
--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On 05/11/2023 23:20, Pip Luscher wrote:
> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Wrote in message:
>> Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:> As title.If you use it for Usenet, don't also use it for email. There have been anumber of postings from people who meant to send an email but ended upposting the message to a newsgroup instead. That can be embarrassing...Theo
>
> Seems that email is out of the question anyway. Half an hour of
> trying to set up email to an exitsing account got nowhere. Gave
> up in the end.
>

Do I guess it is a gmail account? or similar?
In which case it will be OAUTH settings

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:

>> As title.

> If you use it for Usenet, don't also use it for email. There have been a
> number of postings from people who meant to send an email but ended up
> posting the message to a newsgroup instead. That can be embarrassing...

> Theo

Yes, one has to be mindful of the difference between Reply (to an email)
and Followup (to a Usenet posting). Many people use munged email addresses
so in those circumstances a mistaken Reply won’t propagate anyway.

--
Spike

RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
> On 05/11/2023 14:09, Theo wrote:
> > Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
> >> As title.
> >
> > If you use it for Usenet, don't also use it for email. There have been a
> > number of postings from people who meant to send an email but ended up
> > posting the message to a newsgroup instead. That can be embarrassing...
>
> No problem: use a munged (invalid) address for news, like I do.

That doesn't help. The emails are of the form:

Hello Dr Smith,

Please can I book an appointment for my <unpleasant medical complaint> asap?

Yours
A.N.Poster
99 Acacia Avenue, Nowhere
01234 567890
anposter@example.com

It doesn't matter what email address they posted that with, it's gone out
with all their personal details in a form that cannot be later deleted.

It's actually very easy to do, because when you go to send an email, in the
dropdown for the From address, it has:

My Name <me@example.com> me@example.com
My Name <my.name@company.com> my.name@company.com
My Name <invalid@example.com> nntp.server.com

and selecting the last one makes a news posting. The names on the right
are the names of each account as set up in TB.

If I happen to have Usenet open and remember I need to contact Dr Smith,
I click New Message but it'll default to making a new posting. I can see
how it's easy to make a mistake.

Theo

On 06/11/2023 12:48, Theo wrote:
> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 05/11/2023 14:09, Theo wrote:
>>> Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> As title.
>>>
>>> If you use it for Usenet, don't also use it for email. There have been a
>>> number of postings from people who meant to send an email but ended up
>>> posting the message to a newsgroup instead. That can be embarrassing...
>>
>> No problem: use a munged (invalid) address for news, like I do.
>
> That doesn't help. The emails are of the form:

> Hello Dr Smith,
>
> Please can I book an appointment for my <unpleasant medical complaint> asap?
>
> Yours
> A.N.Poster
> 99 Acacia Avenue, Nowhere
> 01234 567890
> anposter@example.com
>
What difference does that make? Your good program will flag-up that the
'from' address is invalid and won't send it. Can honestly say I've never
had a bad e-mail/news one.

> It doesn't matter what email address they posted that with, it's gone out
> with all their personal details in a form that cannot be later deleted.
That's just the point - it hasn't gone out. If you send it out with some
sort of bulk mailer it will just bounce or fall into the bit-bucket.
*Should* bounce.
>
> It's actually very easy to do, because when you go to send an email, in the
> dropdown for the From address, it has:
>
> My Name <me@example.com> me@example.com
> My Name <my.name@company.com> my.name@company.com
> My Name <invalid@example.com> nntp.server.com
>
> and selecting the last one makes a news posting. The names on the right
> are the names of each account as set up in TB.

Then you haven't thought your procedure through. I have one account and
at present, one e-mail address. I could add more, but for my porpoises
one egg is un oeuf. If I were to add more, they still wouldn't be sent
from a munged address - Thunderguts would complain.

> If I happen to have Usenet open and remember I need to contact Dr Smith,
> I click New Message but it'll default to making a new posting. I can see
> how it's easy to make a mistake.

But it won't be sent: it'll go from the munged address and bounce, that
is, if your news prog allows it to be despatched, which Thunderlizard
won't do.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
> On 06/11/2023 12:48, Theo wrote:
> >
> > That doesn't help. The emails are of the form:
>
>
> > Hello Dr Smith,
> >
> > Please can I book an appointment for my <unpleasant medical complaint> asap?
> >
> > Yours
> > A.N.Poster
> > 99 Acacia Avenue, Nowhere
> > 01234 567890
> > anposter@example.com
> >
> What difference does that make? Your good program will flag-up that the
> 'from' address is invalid and won't send it. Can honestly say I've never
> had a bad e-mail/news one.
>
> > It doesn't matter what email address they posted that with, it's gone out
> > with all their personal details in a form that cannot be later deleted.
> That's just the point - it hasn't gone out. If you send it out with some
> sort of bulk mailer it will just bounce or fall into the bit-bucket.
> *Should* bounce.

The problem is accidentally posting private emails to Usenet, not the other
way around.

I'm not talking about clicking 'Reply' on a Usenet posting and the message
going to email or newsgroup, I'm talking that users intend to send a new
private email from scratch (eg to their doctor, as above), click the wrong
button and post it publically to Usenet. I see maybe one a month across
various newsgroups.

> Then you haven't thought your procedure through. I have one account and
> at present, one e-mail address. I could add more, but for my porpoises
> one egg is un oeuf. If I were to add more, they still wouldn't be sent
> from a munged address - Thunderguts would complain.

I don't use TB for posting to Usenet, but many many people use fake email
addresses for that. Are you saying TB won't allow them to post unless they
have a valid email address?

For Usenet there's no idea of bouncing or spam filters - the message just
goes off to the chosen newsgroup and is available for the world to see. So
your idea about it being bounced or dropped doesn't make sense.

If the problem was the opposite, accidentally sending Usenet postings to
email, then discussing your unpleasant medical complaint in a private
message when you meant to do it publically is much less of a problem.

Theo

On 06/11/2023 14:53, Theo wrote:
> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
> The problem is accidentally posting private emails to Usenet, not the other
> way around.
>
> I'm not talking about clicking 'Reply' on a Usenet posting and the message
> going to email or newsgroup, I'm talking that users intend to send a new
> private email from scratch (eg to their doctor, as above), click the wrong
> button and post it publically to Usenet. I see maybe one a month across
> various newsgroups.
>
>> Then you haven't thought your procedure through. I have one account and
>> at present, one e-mail address. I could add more, but for my porpoises
>> one egg is un oeuf. If I were to add more, they still wouldn't be sent
>> from a munged address - Thunderguts would complain.
>
> I don't use TB for posting to Usenet, but many many people use fake email
> addresses for that. Are you saying TB won't allow them to post unless they
> have a valid email address?

Well, you could conceivably do it, but you'd have to set it up
incredibly badly. I have TBrid set up to choose either mail or Usenet.
Mail uses a valid e-mail address.

I can then go to Usenet where all posts are automagically dubbed
rusty.hinge@girolle.co.uk, which used to work but since I dropped that
address a long time ago (didn't want to pay for something I didn't
need...), that is now an invalid address to send e-mail by.

If I'm in Usenet mode I could post from either a valid or an invalid
(googleplex of) addresses. If you are in uk.rec.mcs, you *could* write
anything and post it, but how often do you post an e-mail while in a
newsgroup? I've been on the intertubes since the main (only?) browser
was Mosaic and I never have. I have clicked 'reply' when I meant
'follow-up', but T/Rex won't send it.

You ust have to separate mail and Usenet. If you are on Usenet and go
and get a tea/coffee/snort and come back with the intention of
contacting your doctor you *could* write an emu to your doctor,or
anyone-else, there's no way round sheer incompetence or professorial
absent-mindedness - just as you could do when addressing snail-mail.
>
> For Usenet there's no idea of bouncing or spam filters - the message just
> goes off to the chosen newsgroup and is available for the world to see. So
> your idea about it being bounced or dropped doesn't make sense.

You can filter on received postings. There are some bloodsucking Canutes
flogging drugs which I never see, but that's on receipt, not despatch.

> If the problem was the opposite, accidentally sending Usenet postings to > email, then discussing your unpleasant medical complaint in a private
> message when you meant to do it publically is much less of a problem.

The person who never made a mistake never made anything. (W. Churchill,
I think)

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> As title.
>
> If you use it for Usenet, don't also use it for email. There have been a
> number of postings from people who meant to send an email but ended up
> posting the message to a newsgroup instead. That can be embarrassing...
>

Don’t know what you’re talking about <ahem>