Note that spoilers are included below the cast and crew.

Cast :
David Archer - Timothy Bentinck
Jill Archer - Patricia Greene
Pip Archer - Daisy Badger
Alice Carter - Hollie Chapman
Chris Carter - Wilf Scolding
Susan Carter - Charlotte Martin
Harry Chilcott - Jack Ashton
Alan Franks - John Telfer
Usha Franks - Souad Faress
Emma Grundy - Emerald O’Hanrahan
George Grundy - Angus Stobie
Jakob Hakansson - Paul Venables
Freddie Pargetter - Toby Laurence
Stella Pryor - Lucy Speed
Lynda Snell MBE - Carole Boyd
Syksey - Jasper Carrott

Writer : Nick Warburton
Director : Kim Greengrass
Editor : Jeremy Howe

S

P

O

I

L

E

R

S

Spoilers:
Sunday 17th - Chris finds his confidence knocked, and David puts his
foot in it.
Monday 18th - Alan faces a last-minute hitch, and Emma finds herself in
a precarious position.
Tuesday 19th - Life gets awkward for Alice, and George makes the most of
a situation.
Wednesday 20th - Susan offers some encouragement, and Jill’s hackles are
raised.
Thursday 21st - There are surprises galore at the comedy night, and
Stella refuses to back down.
Friday 22nd - Chris makes a surprising decision, and there’s a bump in
the road for Freddie.
 

--
CaroleT

On 16.12.23 10:50, carolet wrote:
> David Archer    -    Timothy Bentinck
> Jill Archer    -    Patricia Greene
> Pip Archer    -    Daisy Badger
> Alice Carter    -    Hollie Chapman
> Freddie Pargetter    -    Toby Laurence

Three and at least one voice not heard recently. I was a little
surprised we did not hear more from Shula after her brief appearance - I
thought they would probably interlace her with others.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 10:50:14 +0000, carolet <carolet.umrat@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Note that spoilers are included below the cast and crew.
>
>Cast :
>David Archer - Timothy Bentinck
>Jill Archer - Patricia Greene
>Pip Archer - Daisy Badger
>Alice Carter - Hollie Chapman
>Chris Carter - Wilf Scolding
>Susan Carter - Charlotte Martin
>Harry Chilcott - Jack Ashton
>Alan Franks - John Telfer
>Usha Franks - Souad Faress
>Emma Grundy - Emerald O’Hanrahan
>George Grundy - Angus Stobie
>Jakob Hakansson - Paul Venables
>Freddie Pargetter - Toby Laurence
>Stella Pryor - Lucy Speed
>Lynda Snell MBE - Carole Boyd
>Syksey - Jasper Carrott
>
>Writer : Nick Warburton
>Director : Kim Greengrass
>Editor : Jeremy Howe
>
>S
>
>P
>
>O
>
>I
>
>L
>
>E
>
>R
>
>S
>
>Spoilers:
>Sunday 17th - Chris finds his confidence knocked, and David puts his
>foot in it.

He thought Alice might eventually want him back? That probably
happens a lot on farms. Cowpat

>Monday 18th - Alan faces a last-minute hitch, and Emma finds herself in
>a precarious position.
Is Alan doing a comedy spot in the Xmas show or too busy over Xmas?
I hope Emma and Ed re not dogging again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXzaVOk_Ydk

>Tuesday 19th - Life gets awkward for Alice, and George makes the most of
>a situation.

He asks her to a party with his friends?

>Wednesday 20th - Susan offers some encouragement, and Jill’s hackles are
>raised.
Susan offers it to Chris?
Jill wanted to be asked to spend Xmas Day with Josh etc too?

>Thursday 21st - There are surprises galore at the comedy night, and
>Stella refuses to back down.

I loved Jakob's handling of Lynda last night. The show has to be
better than her ones please.

>Friday 22nd - Chris makes a surprising decision, and there’s a bump in
>the road for Freddie.
>?
Chris offers to babysit for Alice.
I want things to be ok for Freddie and worry that Vince is bullying
him at work.

On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 11:47:54 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> scrawled
in the dust...

>I want things to be ok for Freddie and worry that Vince is bullying
>him at work

Are you still not listening?
Freddy sounds chipper these days, and enjoying his job. Not a smidgen of a
moan.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 16:17:38 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 11:47:54 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> scrawled
>in the dust...
>
>>I want things to be ok for Freddie and worry that Vince is bullying
>>him at work
>
>Are you still not listening?
>Freddy sounds chipper these days, and enjoying his job. Not a smidgen of a
>moan.
I began listening again a week or so ago but still worry about
Freddie. He might be being brave. Mum's bf as boss not always a good
idea.

On 18/12/2023 16:17, Penny wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 11:47:54 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> scrawled
> in the dust...
>
>> I want things to be ok for Freddie and worry that Vince is bullying
>> him at work
>
> Are you still not listening?
> Freddy sounds chipper these days, and enjoying his job. Not a smidgen of a
> moan.

I suspect he's going to grow up a great deal, working for Vince. It
must have been pretty soul destroying, working at LL, with everyone -
from his mother to most employees - assuming he was incompetent and
going to mess everything up.

--
Best wishes, Serena
When a thing is funny, search it carefully for a hidden truth. (George
Bernard Shaw)

On 19.12.23 09:23, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
> It must have been pretty soul destroying, working at LL, with everyone -
> from his mother to most employees - assuming he was incompetent and
> going to mess everything up.

But I blame his mother who did not manage to work with him towards
running the estate - nor did Nigel as Lizzie did that side of it. But
Niggle did come up with the ideas and tried to find a way forward for
the estate.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 19/12/2023 10:27, krw wrote:
> On 19.12.23 09:23, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>> It must have been pretty soul destroying, working at LL, with everyone
>> - from his mother to most employees - assuming he was incompetent and
>> going to mess everything up.
>
> But I blame his mother who did not manage to work with him towards
> running the estate - nor did Nigel as Lizzie did that side of it.  But
> Niggle did come up with the ideas and tried to find a way forward for
> the estate.

I totally agree with you there. She had him fixed in her mind as being
thick and incompetent and did very little to help him learn or become
more competent.

--
Best wishes, Serena
Enjoy life, you will never get out alive.

On 19.12.23 10:33, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
> On 19/12/2023 10:27, krw wrote:
>> On 19.12.23 09:23, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>> It must have been pretty soul destroying, working at LL, with
>>> everyone - from his mother to most employees - assuming he was
>>> incompetent and going to mess everything up.
>>
>> But I blame his mother who did not manage to work with him towards
>> running the estate - nor did Nigel as Lizzie did that side of it.  But
>> Niggle did come up with the ideas and tried to find a way forward for
>> the estate.
>
> I totally agree with you there.  She had him fixed in her mind as being
> thick and incompetent and did very little to help him learn or become
> more competent.
>
To be fair I am not convinced that the parenting gene is that good
across Ambridge.

David - absolutely useless in ensuring that Josh was trading legally
whilst parking his antique machinery on Brookfield land.

David - when Ben had a moment did not exactly shine

Shula - outsourced parenting to the Army

Kenton - sent his daughter to NZ

Tony - you only have to look at the mess over Helen and Tom ...

Jenny - Debbie ran away, Kate ran away, Alice had her wagon troubles

Lilian - James stays away

Need I say more?
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 19/12/2023 10:39, krw wrote:
> On 19.12.23 10:33, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>> On 19/12/2023 10:27, krw wrote:
>>> On 19.12.23 09:23, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>> It must have been pretty soul destroying, working at LL, with
>>>> everyone - from his mother to most employees - assuming he was
>>>> incompetent and going to mess everything up.
>>>
>>> But I blame his mother who did not manage to work with him towards
>>> running the estate - nor did Nigel as Lizzie did that side of it.
>>> But Niggle did come up with the ideas and tried to find a way forward
>>> for the estate.
>>
>> I totally agree with you there.  She had him fixed in her mind as
>> being thick and incompetent and did very little to help him learn or
>> become more competent.
>>
> To be fair I am not convinced that the parenting gene is that good
> across Ambridge.
>
> David - absolutely useless in ensuring that Josh was trading legally
> whilst parking his antique machinery on Brookfield land.
>
> David - when Ben had a moment did not exactly shine
>
> Shula - outsourced parenting to the Army
>
> Kenton - sent his daughter to NZ
>
> Tony - you only have to look at the mess over Helen and Tom ...
>
> Jenny - Debbie ran away, Kate ran away, Alice had her wagon troubles
>
> Lilian - James stays away
>
> Need I say more?

Once again, I agree with you. The only examples of good parents, in
Ambridge, that I can think of are the Tucker family, in various
generations. AFAIR, Mike and Betty did OK, while Roy and Hayley were
excellent. Mike and Vicky may have done OK, although they, and Bethany,
were driven out of Ambridge.

--
Best wishes, Serena
I used to be a banker, but then I lost interest.

On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 10:27:45 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

>On 19.12.23 09:23, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>> It must have been pretty soul destroying, working at LL, with everyone -
>> from his mother to most employees - assuming he was incompetent and
>> going to mess everything up.
>
>But I blame his mother who did not manage to work with him towards
>running the estate - nor did Nigel as Lizzie did that side of it. But
>Niggle did come up with the ideas and tried to find a way forward for
>the estate.

I think Freddie will do that too. I don't see working for Vince as a
good career move. An estate management course and working for Rodway
would be better.

On 19/12/2023 12:18, Vicky wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 10:27:45 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 19.12.23 09:23, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>> It must have been pretty soul destroying, working at LL, with everyone -
>>> from his mother to most employees - assuming he was incompetent and
>>> going to mess everything up.
>>
>> But I blame his mother who did not manage to work with him towards
>> running the estate - nor did Nigel as Lizzie did that side of it. But
>> Niggle did come up with the ideas and tried to find a way forward for
>> the estate.
>
> I think Freddie will do that too. I don't see working for Vince as a
> good career move. An estate management course and working for Rodway
> would be better.

I agree that either of those, or a hospitality management course, would
be good options for Freddie, in the long run. In the short term though,
he needs to develop some confidence in his abilities though and the
belief that he may be capable of taking over LL in the future. At the
moment, he's been convinced that he's no good and that the trustees will
never allow him to take over, so why bother trying to do any of those
things.

--
Best wishes, Serena
"Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission." - Eleanor
Roosevelt

Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
> On 19/12/2023 12:18, Vicky wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 10:27:45 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 19.12.23 09:23, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>> It must have been pretty soul destroying, working at LL, with everyone -
>>>> from his mother to most employees - assuming he was incompetent and
>>>> going to mess everything up.
>>>
>>> But I blame his mother who did not manage to work with him towards
>>> running the estate - nor did Nigel as Lizzie did that side of it. But
>>> Niggle did come up with the ideas and tried to find a way forward for
>>> the estate.
>>
>> I think Freddie will do that too. I don't see working for Vince as a
>> good career move. An estate management course and working for Rodway
>> would be better.
>
> I agree that either of those, or a hospitality management course, would
> be good options for Freddie, in the long run. In the short term though,
> he needs to develop some confidence in his abilities though and the
> belief that he may be capable of taking over LL in the future. At the
> moment, he's been convinced that he's no good and that the trustees will
> never allow him to take over, so why bother trying to do any of those
> things.
>

He could always follow in his father’s tyre tracks - Mr. Whippy’s required
everywhere. Then there’s always party time with gorilla games.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 19/12/2023 14:55, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>> On 19/12/2023 12:18, Vicky wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 10:27:45 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19.12.23 09:23, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>>> It must have been pretty soul destroying, working at LL, with everyone -
>>>>> from his mother to most employees - assuming he was incompetent and
>>>>> going to mess everything up.
>>>>
>>>> But I blame his mother who did not manage to work with him towards
>>>> running the estate - nor did Nigel as Lizzie did that side of it. But
>>>> Niggle did come up with the ideas and tried to find a way forward for
>>>> the estate.
>>>
>>> I think Freddie will do that too. I don't see working for Vince as a
>>> good career move. An estate management course and working for Rodway
>>> would be better.
>>
>> I agree that either of those, or a hospitality management course, would
>> be good options for Freddie, in the long run. In the short term though,
>> he needs to develop some confidence in his abilities though and the
>> belief that he may be capable of taking over LL in the future. At the
>> moment, he's been convinced that he's no good and that the trustees will
>> never allow him to take over, so why bother trying to do any of those
>> things.
>>
>
> He could always follow in his father’s tyre tracks - Mr. Whippy’s required
> everywhere. Then there’s always party time with gorilla games.
>

I think his DJing could be considered to be pretty much a 21st century
equivalent to Nigel's Mr Whippy career.

--
Best wishes, Serena
Some people's idea of [free speech] is that they are free to say what
they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage.
(Winston Churchill)

On 19.12.23 11:13, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
> On 19/12/2023 10:39, krw wrote:
>> On 19.12.23 10:33, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>> On 19/12/2023 10:27, krw wrote:
>>>> On 19.12.23 09:23, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>>> It must have been pretty soul destroying, working at LL, with
>>>>> everyone - from his mother to most employees - assuming he was
>>>>> incompetent and going to mess everything up.
>>>>
>>>> But I blame his mother who did not manage to work with him towards
>>>> running the estate - nor did Nigel as Lizzie did that side of it.
>>>> But Niggle did come up with the ideas and tried to find a way
>>>> forward for the estate.
>>>
>>> I totally agree with you there.  She had him fixed in her mind as
>>> being thick and incompetent and did very little to help him learn or
>>> become more competent.
>>>
>> To be fair I am not convinced that the parenting gene is that good
>> across Ambridge.
>>
>> David - absolutely useless in ensuring that Josh was trading legally
>> whilst parking his antique machinery on Brookfield land.
>>
>> David - when Ben had a moment did not exactly shine
>>
>> Shula - outsourced parenting to the Army
>>
>> Kenton - sent his daughter to NZ
>>
>> Tony - you only have to look at the mess over Helen and Tom ...
>>
>> Jenny - Debbie ran away, Kate ran away, Alice had her wagon troubles
>>
>> Lilian - James stays away
>>
>> Need I say more?
>
> Once again, I agree with you.  The only examples of good parents, in
> Ambridge, that I can think of are the Tucker family, in various
> generations.  AFAIR, Mike and Betty did OK, while Roy and Hayley were
> excellent.  Mike and Vicky may have done OK, although they, and Bethany,
> were driven out of Ambridge.
>
I think Tracy Horrobin has done pretty well.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 19/12/2023 20:18, krw wrote:
> On 19.12.23 11:13, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>> On 19/12/2023 10:39, krw wrote:
>>> On 19.12.23 10:33, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>> On 19/12/2023 10:27, krw wrote:
>>>>> On 19.12.23 09:23, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>>>> It must have been pretty soul destroying, working at LL, with
>>>>>> everyone - from his mother to most employees - assuming he was
>>>>>> incompetent and going to mess everything up.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I blame his mother who did not manage to work with him towards
>>>>> running the estate - nor did Nigel as Lizzie did that side of it.
>>>>> But Niggle did come up with the ideas and tried to find a way
>>>>> forward for the estate.
>>>>
>>>> I totally agree with you there.  She had him fixed in her mind as
>>>> being thick and incompetent and did very little to help him learn or
>>>> become more competent.
>>>>
>>> To be fair I am not convinced that the parenting gene is that good
>>> across Ambridge.
>>>
>>> David - absolutely useless in ensuring that Josh was trading legally
>>> whilst parking his antique machinery on Brookfield land.
>>>
>>> David - when Ben had a moment did not exactly shine
>>>
>>> Shula - outsourced parenting to the Army
>>>
>>> Kenton - sent his daughter to NZ
>>>
>>> Tony - you only have to look at the mess over Helen and Tom ...
>>>
>>> Jenny - Debbie ran away, Kate ran away, Alice had her wagon troubles
>>>
>>> Lilian - James stays away
>>>
>>> Need I say more?
>>
>> Once again, I agree with you.  The only examples of good parents, in
>> Ambridge, that I can think of are the Tucker family, in various
>> generations.  AFAIR, Mike and Betty did OK, while Roy and Hayley were
>> excellent.  Mike and Vicky may have done OK, although they, and
>> Bethany, were driven out of Ambridge.
>>
> I think Tracy Horrobin has done pretty well.

Yes, you're right. I'd forgotten about her.

--
Best wishes, Serena
If you shut the door to all errors, truth will be shut out.
(Rabindranath Tagore)

On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 10:39:01 +0000, krw wrote:

> To be fair I am not convinced that the parenting gene is that good
> across Ambridge.
>
> David - absolutely useless in ensuring that Josh was trading legally
> whilst parking his antique machinery on Brookfield land.
>
> David - when Ben had a moment did not exactly shine
>
> Shula - outsourced parenting to the Army
>
> Kenton - sent his daughter to NZ
>
> Tony - you only have to look at the mess over Helen and Tom ...
>
> Jenny - Debbie ran away, Kate ran away, Alice had her wagon troubles
>
> Lilian - James stays away

Interesting choice of male or female half of some couples. For example I'd
say Pat bears at least as much responsibility for her awful progeny as
Tony does.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

On 19.12.23 22:13, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 10:39:01 +0000, krw wrote:
>
>> To be fair I am not convinced that the parenting gene is that good
>> across Ambridge.
>>
>> David - absolutely useless in ensuring that Josh was trading legally
>> whilst parking his antique machinery on Brookfield land.
>>
>> David - when Ben had a moment did not exactly shine
>>
>> Shula - outsourced parenting to the Army
>>
>> Kenton - sent his daughter to NZ
>>
>> Tony - you only have to look at the mess over Helen and Tom ...
>>
>> Jenny - Debbie ran away, Kate ran away, Alice had her wagon troubles
>>
>> Lilian - James stays away
>
> Interesting choice of male or female half of some couples. For example I'd
> say Pat bears at least as much responsibility for her awful progeny as
> Tony does.
>
I was seeking to prove the deficiency in the Archer gene.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 20/12/2023 10:08, krw wrote:
> On 19.12.23 22:13, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 10:39:01 +0000, krw wrote:
>>
>>> To be fair I am not convinced that the parenting gene is that good
>>> across Ambridge.
>>>
>>> David - absolutely useless in ensuring that Josh was trading legally
>>> whilst parking his antique machinery on Brookfield land.
>>>
>>> David - when Ben had a moment did not exactly shine
>>>
>>> Shula - outsourced parenting to the Army
>>>
>>> Kenton - sent his daughter to NZ
>>>
>>> Tony - you only have to look at the mess over Helen and Tom ...
>>>
>>> Jenny - Debbie ran away, Kate ran away, Alice had her wagon troubles
>>>
>>> Lilian - James stays away
>>
>> Interesting choice of male or female half of some couples. For example
>> I'd
>> say Pat bears at least as much responsibility for her awful progeny as
>> Tony does.
>>
> I was seeking to prove the deficiency in the Archer gene.

You missed the next generation: Kate. Repeat abandonment followed by
smothering. Tom pimping out the twins. Alice's alcoholism leads to
Martha having two households to commmute between. So far Adam and Pip
seem to be doing all right but the less said about Helen the better.

john

Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
> On 19/12/2023 14:55, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>>> On 19/12/2023 12:18, Vicky wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 10:27:45 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 19.12.23 09:23, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>>>> It must have been pretty soul destroying, working at LL, with everyone -
>>>>>> from his mother to most employees - assuming he was incompetent and
>>>>>> going to mess everything up.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I blame his mother who did not manage to work with him towards
>>>>> running the estate - nor did Nigel as Lizzie did that side of it. But
>>>>> Niggle did come up with the ideas and tried to find a way forward for
>>>>> the estate.
>>>>
>>>> I think Freddie will do that too. I don't see working for Vince as a
>>>> good career move. An estate management course and working for Rodway
>>>> would be better.
>>>
>>> I agree that either of those, or a hospitality management course, would
>>> be good options for Freddie, in the long run. In the short term though,
>>> he needs to develop some confidence in his abilities though and the
>>> belief that he may be capable of taking over LL in the future. At the
>>> moment, he's been convinced that he's no good and that the trustees will
>>> never allow him to take over, so why bother trying to do any of those
>>> things.
>>>
>>
>> He could always follow in his father’s tyre tracks - Mr. Whippy’s required
>> everywhere. Then there’s always party time with gorilla games.
>>
>
> I think his DJing could be considered to be pretty much a 21st century
> equivalent to Nigel's Mr Whippy career.
>

At which he was just as rubbish at away from his local cronies.

Mrs McT

Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
> On 19/12/2023 20:18, krw wrote:
>> On 19.12.23 11:13, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>> On 19/12/2023 10:39, krw wrote:
>>>> On 19.12.23 10:33, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>>> On 19/12/2023 10:27, krw wrote:
>>>>>> On 19.12.23 09:23, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>>>>> It must have been pretty soul destroying, working at LL, with
>>>>>>> everyone - from his mother to most employees - assuming he was
>>>>>>> incompetent and going to mess everything up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I blame his mother who did not manage to work with him towards
>>>>>> running the estate - nor did Nigel as Lizzie did that side of it.
>>>>>> But Niggle did come up with the ideas and tried to find a way
>>>>>> forward for the estate.
>>>>>
>>>>> I totally agree with you there.  She had him fixed in her mind as
>>>>> being thick and incompetent and did very little to help him learn or
>>>>> become more competent.
>>>>>
>>>> To be fair I am not convinced that the parenting gene is that good
>>>> across Ambridge.
>>>>
>>>> David - absolutely useless in ensuring that Josh was trading legally
>>>> whilst parking his antique machinery on Brookfield land.
>>>>
>>>> David - when Ben had a moment did not exactly shine
>>>>
>>>> Shula - outsourced parenting to the Army
>>>>
>>>> Kenton - sent his daughter to NZ
>>>>
>>>> Tony - you only have to look at the mess over Helen and Tom ...
>>>>
>>>> Jenny - Debbie ran away, Kate ran away, Alice had her wagon troubles
>>>>
>>>> Lilian - James stays away
>>>>
>>>> Need I say more?
>>>
>>> Once again, I agree with you.  The only examples of good parents, in
>>> Ambridge, that I can think of are the Tucker family, in various
>>> generations.  AFAIR, Mike and Betty did OK, while Roy and Hayley were
>>> excellent.  Mike and Vicky may have done OK, although they, and
>>> Bethany, were driven out of Ambridge.
>>>
>> I think Tracy Horrobin has done pretty well.
>
> Yes, you're right. I'd forgotten about her.
>

A rough diamond but she knows her place unlike her social climbing big
sister

Mrs McT

John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 20/12/2023 10:08, krw wrote:
>> On 19.12.23 22:13, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 10:39:01 +0000, krw wrote:
>>>
>>>> To be fair I am not convinced that the parenting gene is that good
>>>> across Ambridge.
>>>>
>>>> David - absolutely useless in ensuring that Josh was trading legally
>>>> whilst parking his antique machinery on Brookfield land.
>>>>
>>>> David - when Ben had a moment did not exactly shine
>>>>
>>>> Shula - outsourced parenting to the Army
>>>>
>>>> Kenton - sent his daughter to NZ
>>>>
>>>> Tony - you only have to look at the mess over Helen and Tom ...
>>>>
>>>> Jenny - Debbie ran away, Kate ran away, Alice had her wagon troubles
>>>>
>>>> Lilian - James stays away
>>>
>>> Interesting choice of male or female half of some couples. For example
>>> I'd
>>> say Pat bears at least as much responsibility for her awful progeny as
>>> Tony does.
>>>
>> I was seeking to prove the deficiency in the Archer gene.
>
> You missed the next generation: Kate. Repeat abandonment followed by
> smothering. Tom pimping out the twins. Alice's alcoholism leads to
> Martha having two households to commmute between. So far Adam and Pip
> seem to be doing all right but the less said about Helen the better.
>
> john
>

Funny we no longer hear about FAL’s sprogs, whose names I’ve forgotten.

Mrs McT

On 20/12/2023 15:21, Chris wrote:
> John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 20/12/2023 10:08, krw wrote:
>>> On 19.12.23 22:13, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 10:39:01 +0000, krw wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> To be fair I am not convinced that the parenting gene is that good
>>>>> across Ambridge.
>>>>>
>>>>> David - absolutely useless in ensuring that Josh was trading legally
>>>>> whilst parking his antique machinery on Brookfield land.
>>>>>
>>>>> David - when Ben had a moment did not exactly shine
>>>>>
>>>>> Shula - outsourced parenting to the Army
>>>>>
>>>>> Kenton - sent his daughter to NZ
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony - you only have to look at the mess over Helen and Tom ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny - Debbie ran away, Kate ran away, Alice had her wagon troubles
>>>>>
>>>>> Lilian - James stays away
>>>>
>>>> Interesting choice of male or female half of some couples. For example
>>>> I'd
>>>> say Pat bears at least as much responsibility for her awful progeny as
>>>> Tony does.
>>>>
>>> I was seeking to prove the deficiency in the Archer gene.
>>
>> You missed the next generation: Kate. Repeat abandonment followed by
>> smothering. Tom pimping out the twins. Alice's alcoholism leads to
>> Martha having two households to commmute between. So far Adam and Pip
>> seem to be doing all right but the less said about Helen the better.
>>
>> john
>>
>
> Funny we no longer hear about FAL’s sprogs, whose names I’ve forgotten.
>
> Mrs McT
>

James (mentioned above), married to Leonie, (step-)daughter of Lunda and
Robert, one child, Cosmo(?). FAL mentioned going to spend Christmas
with them as an antidote to Justin.

john

Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 20/12/2023 10:08, krw wrote:
>>> On 19.12.23 22:13, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 10:39:01 +0000, krw wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> To be fair I am not convinced that the parenting gene is that good
>>>>> across Ambridge.
>>>>>
>>>>> David - absolutely useless in ensuring that Josh was trading legally
>>>>> whilst parking his antique machinery on Brookfield land.
>>>>>
>>>>> David - when Ben had a moment did not exactly shine
>>>>>
>>>>> Shula - outsourced parenting to the Army
>>>>>
>>>>> Kenton - sent his daughter to NZ
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony - you only have to look at the mess over Helen and Tom ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny - Debbie ran away, Kate ran away, Alice had her wagon troubles
>>>>>
>>>>> Lilian - James stays away
>>>>
>>>> Interesting choice of male or female half of some couples. For example
>>>> I'd
>>>> say Pat bears at least as much responsibility for her awful progeny as
>>>> Tony does.
>>>>
>>> I was seeking to prove the deficiency in the Archer gene.
>>
>> You missed the next generation: Kate. Repeat abandonment followed by
>> smothering. Tom pimping out the twins. Alice's alcoholism leads to
>> Martha having two households to commmute between. So far Adam and Pip
>> seem to be doing all right but the less said about Helen the better.
>>
>> john
>>
>
> Funny we no longer hear about FAL’s sprogs, whose names I’ve forgotten.
>
> Mrs McT
>
>

James was the very wet scrounger I think.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Wed, 20 Dec 2023 10:08:22 +0000, krw wrote:

> On 19.12.23 22:13, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 10:39:01 +0000, krw wrote:
>>
>>> To be fair I am not convinced that the parenting gene is that good
>>> across Ambridge.
>>>
>>> David - absolutely useless in ensuring that Josh was trading legally
>>> whilst parking his antique machinery on Brookfield land.
>>>
>>> David - when Ben had a moment did not exactly shine
>>>
>>> Shula - outsourced parenting to the Army
>>>
>>> Kenton - sent his daughter to NZ
>>>
>>> Tony - you only have to look at the mess over Helen and Tom ...
>>>
>>> Jenny - Debbie ran away, Kate ran away, Alice had her wagon troubles
>>>
>>> Lilian - James stays away
>>
>> Interesting choice of male or female half of some couples. For example
>> I'd say Pat bears at least as much responsibility for her awful progeny
>> as Tony does.
>>
> I was seeking to prove the deficiency in the Archer gene.

Ah, I hadn't spotted the pattern. Is this the gene that makes them choose
unsuitable partners?

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0