In message <3hh5iith44le2r6eabkvl48bdiqjhvdf2j@4ax.com> at Sun, 8 Oct
2023 16:12:16, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> writes
[]
>I remember when I first started work there were a variety of
>copying machines about, one of which produced printout in sepia
>and somewhat damp.
[]
One of the offices I was in in my first job (thick sandwich course
really, where moved about to different parts of the company) - would
have been around 1978 and 1982 - had an early type, that used paper fed
from a roll (I think it must have been impregnated with something - it
wasn't just plain paper). What I liked about it was that you could
select how much or little you used; a lot of the time the thing I was
copying was nowhere near A4 (or might have been foolscap) in size, so I
didn't.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I'm too lazy to have a bigger ego. - James May, RT 2016/1/23-29

On Sun, 08 Oct 2023 16:12:16 +0100, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
wrote:

>Penny wrote:
>
>>I suspect the Banda duplicator was cheaper to run but the degradation of
>>later copies was worse. Unless, as often happened, the original for the
>>photocopier was not kept, and subsequent copies were made from one of the
>>copies. Multiply that several times and it becomes unreadable, especially
>>if the photocopy paper was at all damp - as it usually was in our village
>>school. I loved the laser printer in my office, and produced A5 'letters
>>home', and A4 posters on that.
>
>I remember when I first started work there were a variety of
>copying machines about, one of which produced printout in sepia
>and somewhat damp.
>
>The arrival of the first photocopier was a revelation. We had to
>adapt to its quirks - solid blocks came out as outlines (1), and
>the first time we tried to copy something sent to us using
>carbonless copy paper, it came out as a blank form, since it
>didn't see pale blue.
>
>Rather later, since I took care of producing the office stock of
>blank forms, I wrote "Master" on them in blue highlighter, so
>that it stood a chance of surviving. When we had a change of
>copier, the new one saw the writing, and I had to change to
>yellow highlighter instead.
>
>Tickets also try to avoid illicit copying, using colours which
>are hard to reproduce, and gradient fills that come out banded.
>
>I happened to have a ticket with security measures on it. Out of
>curiosity I copied it on my all-in-one scanner, and the word
>"void" became clearly visible, as its dot size reproduced,
>whereas the background, which seemed much the same shade to the
>naked eye, was composed of smaller dots, and did not copy.
>
>(1) AIUI, this was the reason that using filled and open symbols
>to have different meanings on circuit diagrams was abandoned.
>
At home I have separate printer and scanner so I don't think this
experiment will work but: has anybody here tried to photocopy
something with the EURion Constellation embedded in it? (£20 and
US$100, for instance?) What happens?

Nick

Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Oct 2023 16:12:16 +0100, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Penny wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect the Banda duplicator was cheaper to run but the degradation of
>>> later copies was worse. Unless, as often happened, the original for the
>>> photocopier was not kept, and subsequent copies were made from one of the
>>> copies. Multiply that several times and it becomes unreadable, especially
>>> if the photocopy paper was at all damp - as it usually was in our village
>>> school. I loved the laser printer in my office, and produced A5 'letters
>>> home', and A4 posters on that.
>>
>> I remember when I first started work there were a variety of
>> copying machines about, one of which produced printout in sepia
>> and somewhat damp.
>>
>> The arrival of the first photocopier was a revelation. We had to
>> adapt to its quirks - solid blocks came out as outlines (1), and
>> the first time we tried to copy something sent to us using
>> carbonless copy paper, it came out as a blank form, since it
>> didn't see pale blue.
>>
>> Rather later, since I took care of producing the office stock of
>> blank forms, I wrote "Master" on them in blue highlighter, so
>> that it stood a chance of surviving. When we had a change of
>> copier, the new one saw the writing, and I had to change to
>> yellow highlighter instead.
>>
>> Tickets also try to avoid illicit copying, using colours which
>> are hard to reproduce, and gradient fills that come out banded.
>>
>> I happened to have a ticket with security measures on it. Out of
>> curiosity I copied it on my all-in-one scanner, and the word
>> "void" became clearly visible, as its dot size reproduced,
>> whereas the background, which seemed much the same shade to the
>> naked eye, was composed of smaller dots, and did not copy.
>>
>> (1) AIUI, this was the reason that using filled and open symbols
>> to have different meanings on circuit diagrams was abandoned.
>>
> At home I have separate printer and scanner so I don't think this
> experiment will work but: has anybody here tried to photocopy
> something with the EURion Constellation embedded in it? (£20 and
> US$100, for instance?) What happens?
>
> Nick
>

Knock-Knock. Open Up! We have all exits covered, you are carrying out
illicit copying procedures…

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Oct 2023 16:12:16 +0100, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Penny wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect the Banda duplicator was cheaper to run but the degradation of
>>> later copies was worse. Unless, as often happened, the original for the
>>> photocopier was not kept, and subsequent copies were made from one of the
>>> copies. Multiply that several times and it becomes unreadable, especially
>>> if the photocopy paper was at all damp - as it usually was in our village
>>> school. I loved the laser printer in my office, and produced A5 'letters
>>> home', and A4 posters on that.
>>
>> I remember when I first started work there were a variety of
>> copying machines about, one of which produced printout in sepia
>> and somewhat damp.
>>
>> The arrival of the first photocopier was a revelation. We had to
>> adapt to its quirks - solid blocks came out as outlines (1), and
>> the first time we tried to copy something sent to us using
>> carbonless copy paper, it came out as a blank form, since it
>> didn't see pale blue.
>>
>> Rather later, since I took care of producing the office stock of
>> blank forms, I wrote "Master" on them in blue highlighter, so
>> that it stood a chance of surviving. When we had a change of
>> copier, the new one saw the writing, and I had to change to
>> yellow highlighter instead.
>>
>> Tickets also try to avoid illicit copying, using colours which
>> are hard to reproduce, and gradient fills that come out banded.
>>
>> I happened to have a ticket with security measures on it. Out of
>> curiosity I copied it on my all-in-one scanner, and the word
>> "void" became clearly visible, as its dot size reproduced,
>> whereas the background, which seemed much the same shade to the
>> naked eye, was composed of smaller dots, and did not copy.
>>
>> (1) AIUI, this was the reason that using filled and open symbols
>> to have different meanings on circuit diagrams was abandoned.
>>
> At home I have separate printer and scanner so I don't think this
> experiment will work but: has anybody here tried to photocopy
> something with the EURion Constellation embedded in it? (£20 and
> US$100, for instance?) What happens?
>
> Nick
>

Knock-Knock. Open Up! We have all exits covered, you are carrying out
illicit copying procedures…

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 08/10/2023 17:23, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Oct 2023 16:12:16 +0100, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Penny wrote:
>>>
>>>> I suspect the Banda duplicator was cheaper to run but the degradation of
>>>> later copies was worse. Unless, as often happened, the original for the
>>>> photocopier was not kept, and subsequent copies were made from one of the
>>>> copies. Multiply that several times and it becomes unreadable, especially
>>>> if the photocopy paper was at all damp - as it usually was in our village
>>>> school. I loved the laser printer in my office, and produced A5 'letters
>>>> home', and A4 posters on that.
>>>
>>> I remember when I first started work there were a variety of
>>> copying machines about, one of which produced printout in sepia
>>> and somewhat damp.
>>>
>>> The arrival of the first photocopier was a revelation. We had to
>>> adapt to its quirks - solid blocks came out as outlines (1), and
>>> the first time we tried to copy something sent to us using
>>> carbonless copy paper, it came out as a blank form, since it
>>> didn't see pale blue.
>>>
>>> Rather later, since I took care of producing the office stock of
>>> blank forms, I wrote "Master" on them in blue highlighter, so
>>> that it stood a chance of surviving. When we had a change of
>>> copier, the new one saw the writing, and I had to change to
>>> yellow highlighter instead.
>>>
>>> Tickets also try to avoid illicit copying, using colours which
>>> are hard to reproduce, and gradient fills that come out banded.
>>>
>>> I happened to have a ticket with security measures on it. Out of
>>> curiosity I copied it on my all-in-one scanner, and the word
>>> "void" became clearly visible, as its dot size reproduced,
>>> whereas the background, which seemed much the same shade to the
>>> naked eye, was composed of smaller dots, and did not copy.
>>>
>>> (1) AIUI, this was the reason that using filled and open symbols
>>> to have different meanings on circuit diagrams was abandoned.
>>>
>> At home I have separate printer and scanner so I don't think this
>> experiment will work but: has anybody here tried to photocopy
>> something with the EURion Constellation embedded in it? (£20 and
>> US$100, for instance?) What happens?
>>
>> Nick
>>
>
> Knock-Knock. Open Up! We have all exits covered, you are carrying out
> illicit copying procedures…
>

x2

I see what you did there...
--
Kate B

On 08-Oct-23 17:23, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Oct 2023 16:12:16 +0100, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Penny wrote:
>>>
>>>> I suspect the Banda duplicator was cheaper to run but the degradation of
>>>> later copies was worse. Unless, as often happened, the original for the
>>>> photocopier was not kept, and subsequent copies were made from one of the
>>>> copies. Multiply that several times and it becomes unreadable, especially
>>>> if the photocopy paper was at all damp - as it usually was in our village
>>>> school. I loved the laser printer in my office, and produced A5 'letters
>>>> home', and A4 posters on that.
>>>
>>> I remember when I first started work there were a variety of
>>> copying machines about, one of which produced printout in sepia
>>> and somewhat damp.
>>>
>>> The arrival of the first photocopier was a revelation. We had to
>>> adapt to its quirks - solid blocks came out as outlines (1), and
>>> the first time we tried to copy something sent to us using
>>> carbonless copy paper, it came out as a blank form, since it
>>> didn't see pale blue.
>>>
>>> Rather later, since I took care of producing the office stock of
>>> blank forms, I wrote "Master" on them in blue highlighter, so
>>> that it stood a chance of surviving. When we had a change of
>>> copier, the new one saw the writing, and I had to change to
>>> yellow highlighter instead.
>>>
>>> Tickets also try to avoid illicit copying, using colours which
>>> are hard to reproduce, and gradient fills that come out banded.
>>>
>>> I happened to have a ticket with security measures on it. Out of
>>> curiosity I copied it on my all-in-one scanner, and the word
>>> "void" became clearly visible, as its dot size reproduced,
>>> whereas the background, which seemed much the same shade to the
>>> naked eye, was composed of smaller dots, and did not copy.
>>>
>>> (1) AIUI, this was the reason that using filled and open symbols
>>> to have different meanings on circuit diagrams was abandoned.
>>>
>> At home I have separate printer and scanner so I don't think this
>> experiment will work but: has anybody here tried to photocopy
>> something with the EURion Constellation embedded in it? (£20 and
>> US$100, for instance?) What happens?
>>
>> Nick
>>
>
> Knock-Knock. Open Up! We have all exits covered, you are carrying out
> illicit copying procedures…
>
Lummy! They're at both the front & the back door!

--
Sam Plusnet

On Thu, 05 Oct 2023 20:46:28 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote:

> Nick Odell wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 05 Oct 2023 08:14:17 +0100, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
>>wrote:
>
>>>One of my favourite implausibilities is that one person could set
>>>and print a newspaper single-handed, and on a tiny single-sheet
>>>manual printer.
>>>
>>Was this seen on TV/Film/Stage or taken from the text of the book?
>
> It was the BBC series. My memory has faded, but IIRC the
> newspaper as being read on-screen had the proportions of a
> broadsheet, dense with text, but the press looked of this form,
> but with a smaller platten:
>
> https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/405042560208155476/
>
> I visited Blists Hill around that time, where they have an old
> print shop, and mentioned my doubts, with which they were in
> agreement.
>
I found a gutenberg etext of the whole trilogy and searched through
with a variety of targets and found nothing close to printing, though
there were quite a few references to the role of newspapers in people's
lives. The most advanced artefact I came across was the Post
Office telegraph apparatus that Laura learned to use, sited in the
Postmistresses' parlour.

I was larked out[1] enough not to give much attention to the first epi, but
had a closer listen to today's one, with the etext before me.

[1] I think I'm following a ?fairly newish "X'd out" usage, to express
interest having been gradually diminished by an increasing amount of
publicity, but couldn't remember the actual examples I was following.
Interestingly I couldn't even find anything relevant on google after
trying various descriptors of the phenomenon. Anyone got a clue?

Iain

On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 21:08:07 -0000 (UTC), Iain Archer
<ianews@montaigne.me.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Oct 2023 20:46:28 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>
>> Nick Odell wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 05 Oct 2023 08:14:17 +0100, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>One of my favourite implausibilities is that one person could set
>>>>and print a newspaper single-handed, and on a tiny single-sheet
>>>>manual printer.
>>>>
>>>Was this seen on TV/Film/Stage or taken from the text of the book?
>>
>> It was the BBC series. My memory has faded, but IIRC the
>> newspaper as being read on-screen had the proportions of a
>> broadsheet, dense with text, but the press looked of this form,
>> but with a smaller platten:
>>
>> https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/405042560208155476/
>>
>> I visited Blists Hill around that time, where they have an old
>> print shop, and mentioned my doubts, with which they were in
>> agreement.
>>
>I found a gutenberg etext of the whole trilogy and searched through
>with a variety of targets and found nothing close to printing, though
>there were quite a few references to the role of newspapers in people's
>lives. The most advanced artefact I came across was the Post
>Office telegraph apparatus that Laura learned to use, sited in the
>Postmistresses' parlour.
>
>I was larked out[1] enough not to give much attention to the first epi, but
>had a closer listen to today's one, with the etext before me.
>
>[1] I think I'm following a ?fairly newish "X'd out" usage, to express
>interest having been gradually diminished by an increasing amount of
>publicity, but couldn't remember the actual examples I was following.
>Interestingly I couldn't even find anything relevant on google after
>trying various descriptors of the phenomenon. Anyone got a clue?
>
I can't find my copy of Lark Rise to Candleford. I think it may be in
one of those boxes of books that haven't yet made it into a bookshelf
but I don't remember any printing press either. I know this is the
Beeb and the television version was also BBC but I think the story may
be suffering from the Netflix Effect where the glossy, improved video
version becomes de facto history to viewers. This probably doesn't
matter too much with a story as old as Flora's or for instance (again
BBC) Hugh Laurie's version of Prince George, but it's a bit troubling
to me when history is revised for ratings in stories of contemporary
interest such as The Queen, The Ripper and Jimmy Saville.

My memories of Lark Rise centre on the National Theatre production on
the South Bank. Dinah and I were given a ticket as a gift and went to
see it. Yes. A ticket. The giver knew we would have to take our new
son and one of us would watch Lark Rise and the other Candleford while
we alternated child care in our camper van.

I was completely unaware of the behind-the-scenes events that would
become By Gloucester Docks I Sat Down And Wept, but I was determined
that when the dance took place in Candleford, I wanted to meet Peggy
Mount. Peggy lived, by herself, in a flat close to where we lived in
Leigh on Sea but was never seen around and about in the town. Gemma
Craven lived just across The Broadway from us, when she was home with
her mother and Helen Mirren was just a few streets away but we'd never
seen Peggy Mount.

I did dance with her. While we were reeling all over the set, I passed
on my mother's greetings (they were contemporaries at RADA) and she
sent hers in return. Great memories for me of a unique production.

Nick

Nick Odell wrote:

>My memories of Lark Rise centre on the National Theatre production on
>the South Bank. Dinah and I were given a ticket as a gift and went to
>see it. Yes. A ticket. The giver knew we would have to take our new
>son and one of us would watch Lark Rise and the other Candleford while
>we alternated child care in our camper van.

I saw the touring production with Albion Band in Leicester in
1985.

>I was completely unaware of the behind-the-scenes events that would
>become By Gloucester Docks I Sat Down And Wept,

Which reminds me that I have just caught up with Shirley Collins'
Desert Island Disks.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

On Sun, 08 Oct 2023 16:12:16 +0100, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

>I remember when I first started work there were a variety of
>copying machines about, one of which produced printout in sepia
>and somewhat damp.

I feel I should know what that was but umbrella.
The first copier I used in an office, when doing work experience
(interning?) at a magazine publisher, involved two processes for each copy.
It produced a sort of negative which you then put into part of the machine
and produced the copy.

>The arrival of the first photocopier was a revelation. We had to
>adapt to its quirks - solid blocks came out as outlines (1), and
>the first time we tried to copy something sent to us using
>carbonless copy paper, it came out as a blank form, since it
>didn't see pale blue.
>
>Rather later, since I took care of producing the office stock of
>blank forms, I wrote "Master" on them in blue highlighter, so
>that it stood a chance of surviving. When we had a change of
>copier, the new one saw the writing, and I had to change to
>yellow highlighter instead.
>
>Tickets also try to avoid illicit copying, using colours which
>are hard to reproduce, and gradient fills that come out banded.
>
>I happened to have a ticket with security measures on it. Out of
>curiosity I copied it on my all-in-one scanner, and the word
>"void" became clearly visible, as its dot size reproduced,
>whereas the background, which seemed much the same shade to the
>naked eye, was composed of smaller dots, and did not copy.

That's clever, I don't think Theatr Hafren has such security devices on its
tickets.

The cleverest copier I used was a huge Xerox machine we had in the copy
shop in 1979 (I know the date because there is a photo of D#1, about 6
months old, sitting on it and reaching out to the control panel). It could
copy and collate multi page documents, swapping to the next page all by
itself. The next version of that we had, took up far less floor space and
could double-side as well.

I used the degradation feature of copying a copy to produce a master poster
for the band. It reduced photos of each member of the band to silhouette
(with a little help from me).
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

Penny wrote:

>The cleverest copier I used was a huge Xerox machine we had in the copy
>shop in 1979 (I know the date because there is a photo of D#1, about 6
>months old, sitting on it and reaching out to the control panel). It could
>copy and collate multi page documents, swapping to the next page all by
>itself. The next version of that we had, took up far less floor space and
>could double-side as well.

Automatic collation, and even stapling (if you got it in the
right place), were a great step forward. I've spent lots of time
collating, and recall working out whether you should work by
picking up from piles of identical pages, or laying down piles of
copies, depending upon having more pages or copies. The answer is
long forgotten.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

On 08/10/2023 22:08, Iain Archer wrote:
> I was larked out[1] enough not to give much attention to the first epi,
> but had a closer listen to today's one, with the etext before me.

Like you, by the time they actually broadcast it, I was completely
larked out[2]. When I first heard it mentioned, I thought it sounded
really good, having loved the books when I read them, a good few years
ago. By the time the broadcast came around, I'd had enough and really
didn't want to listen to it. I heard about 30s of the second episode
before switching off.

[1] I
> think I'm following a ?fairly newish "X'd out" usage, to express
> interest having been gradually diminished by an increasing amount of
> publicity, but couldn't remember the actual examples I was following.
> Interestingly I couldn't even find anything relevant on google after
> trying various descriptors of the phenomenon. Anyone got a clue?

Frayed knot.

[2] Excellent term for it
--
Best wishes, Serena
Dad, are we pyromaniacs? Yes, we arson.

On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 15:22:58 +0100, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

>Penny wrote:
>
>>The cleverest copier I used was a huge Xerox machine we had in the copy
>>shop in 1979 (I know the date because there is a photo of D#1, about 6
>>months old, sitting on it and reaching out to the control panel). It could
>>copy and collate multi page documents, swapping to the next page all by
>>itself. The next version of that we had, took up far less floor space and
>>could double-side as well.
>
>Automatic collation, and even stapling (if you got it in the
>right place), were a great step forward. I've spent lots of time
>collating, and recall working out whether you should work by
>picking up from piles of identical pages, or laying down piles of
>copies, depending upon having more pages or copies. The answer is
>long forgotten.

Much of our collating was farmed-out to a loose group of women (not loose
women) who did the work at home. But we had a regular order for the Boat
Show at the beginning of January. We were not given the copy until the last
minute for security reasons, then we had to duplicate, collate and bind a
large number of copies in a very short time. This generally involved
walking around our large dining table (a wind-up half-size billiard table)
for a day or two before messing around with the punch and comb-binder.

As mentioned, we had recently had our first child, getting that job out of
the house over the holiday period became important. I think we rented the
machine from Xerox. We didn't have it long, as circumstances caused a
change to smaller premises a year or so later, where there was no room for
it.

--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On 9.10.23 23:21, Nick Odell wrote:
> My memories of Lark Rise centre on the National Theatre production on
> the South Bank.

I have vague memories of seeing that. But I cannot remember the cast -
I was more interested in the musicians as I recall. I do remember
almost being scythed to death.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 15/12/2023 14:35, krw wrote:
> On 9.10.23 23:21, Nick Odell wrote:
>> My memories of Lark Rise centre on the National Theatre production on
>> the South Bank.
>
> I have vague memories of seeing that.  But I cannot remember the cast -
> I was more interested in the musicians as I recall.  I do remember
> almost being scythed to death.
>

Are you sure that wasn't Poldark?

john

On 4.10.23 15:45, Chris wrote:
> Underwhelmed, but I’ve never lived in a village. I have read the book, but
> it was, to my taste, more of an outline than a history of someone”s life.
>
> On the other hand, a close friend who spent the first 50 or so years of her
> life in a village where her generation were at least the third, and mos
> villagers knew her parents, if not the three fully sighted children, she
> enjoyed it and could think of things from the past that might have happened
> in her Kentish village.
>
> Mrs McT
>
>

Having now finally found the time to listen to this I think that I would
have preferred the book unadulterated by references to Ambridge.

Lark Rise to Candleford was in theory fiction, although it closely
represented actual life nearly 150 years ago and Ambridge is completely
fictional and these days bears less and less linkage to life in modern
villages as it becomes ever more urbanised in events and outlook.

There is a constant obsession it feels to me - and I will cite "Darling
Buds of May" vs "The Larkins" and the two versions of "All Creatures
Great and Small" where the current adaptors cannot admit that it has to
be of the original time and place and present it as such. Of these two
pairs the latest version of the first pair simply tries to overlay and
ignore the tax dodging element of Pa Larkin. In the latter pair a
completely nonsense insertion was made relating to the First World War.

Only recently when visiting Herriot land did I find a little more of the
actual story of Alf Wight - and whilst his stories were again a
fictional wrap around of events the current C5 series has distorted time
lines whilst the first three BBC series were very close to the books (at
which time the original material had been used).

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:35:31 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

>On 9.10.23 23:21, Nick Odell wrote:
>> My memories of Lark Rise centre on the National Theatre production on
>> the South Bank.
>
>I have vague memories of seeing that. But I cannot remember the cast -
>I was more interested in the musicians as I recall. I do remember
>almost being scythed to death.

I saw an episode but did't much enjoy it.

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:21:05 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

>On 4.10.23 15:45, Chris wrote:
>> Underwhelmed, but I’ve never lived in a village. I have read the book, but
>> it was, to my taste, more of an outline than a history of someone”s life.
>>
>> On the other hand, a close friend who spent the first 50 or so years of her
>> life in a village where her generation were at least the third, and mos
>> villagers knew her parents, if not the three fully sighted children, she
>> enjoyed it and could think of things from the past that might have happened
>> in her Kentish village.
>>
>> Mrs McT
>>
>>
>
>Having now finally found the time to listen to this I think that I would
>have preferred the book unadulterated by references to Ambridge.

I read quite a bit of the book. It was better than the tv series. Only
managed one episode.
>
>Lark Rise to Candleford was in theory fiction, although it closely
>represented actual life nearly 150 years ago and Ambridge is completely
>fictional and these days bears less and less linkage to life in modern
>villages as it becomes ever more urbanised in events and outlook.
>
>There is a constant obsession it feels to me - and I will cite "Darling
>Buds of May" vs "The Larkins" and the two versions of "All Creatures
>Great and Small" where the current adaptors cannot admit that it has to
>be of the original time and place and present it as such. Of these two
>pairs the latest version of the first pair simply tries to overlay and
>ignore the tax dodging element of Pa Larkin. In the latter pair a
>completely nonsense insertion was made relating to the First World War.
>
>Only recently when visiting Herriot land did I find a little more of the
>actual story of Alf Wight - and whilst his stories were again a
>fictional wrap around of events the current C5 series has distorted time
>lines whilst the first three BBC series were very close to the books (at
>which time the original material had been used).

In message <GKCdnSGWeap_8-H4nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> at Fri,
15 Dec 2023 15:21:05, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
[]
>There is a constant obsession it feels to me - and I will cite "Darling
>Buds of May" vs "The Larkins" and the two versions of "All Creatures
>Great and Small" where the current adaptors cannot admit that it has to
>be of the original time and place and present it as such. Of these two
>pairs the latest version of the first pair simply tries to overlay and
>ignore the tax dodging element of Pa Larkin. In the latter pair a
>completely nonsense insertion was made relating to the First World War.
>
>Only recently when visiting Herriot land did I find a little more of
>the actual story of Alf Wight - and whilst his stories were again a
>fictional wrap around of events the current C5 series has distorted
>time lines whilst the first three BBC series were very close to the
>books (at which time the original material had been used).
>
>
On the other hand, _I_ have quite enjoyed the remake of ACG&S - while
wondering _why_ they bothered; I find they've made a good job of it
(which means I've not been aware of the anachronisms/whatever to which
you refer), and have managed to either find sufficient new storylines in
the source, or invented same (I've never read any of the books) in a
sufficiently acceptable manner as not to be a scene-by-scene remake of
the first go, so it's sufficiently entertaining. I've also been watching
the old version, which is at 4:10 or 4:15 on weekdays on (FreeView)
channel 20, and IMO it holds up perfectly acceptably, hence my wondering
why they bothered to make the new version: the only obvious difference
between the two, to me, is the different picture shape: I really _hope_
that isn't the reason they gave to justify making the new series. (OK,
and _occasional_ technical aspects of TV making that have changed in
40-odd years, but even to a technically-minded person like me, I've not
noticed many of those, apart from the occasional alarming colour shift.)

Strange what tricks memory plays on you: I thought we'd only had one or
at most two series of the remake, but apparently we've had four. (I was
saying - in uk.tech.broadcast - that what I thought was a weekly series
seems to have been pulled, but is still being plugged, but as online
only; someone pointed out that we've had all the episodes of the fourth
series, apart from a Christmas special, which _will_ be broadcast [on
the 23rd IIRR].)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

* SLMR 2.1a #113 * Tits like watermelons, sparrows like bacon rind.
- 03-22-97 Dave Beecham <dave.beecham@pandbox.demon.co.uk> (quoted by
Gene Wirchenko, in alt.windows7.general, 2012-10-16.)

On 15.12.23 22:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <GKCdnSGWeap_8-H4nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> at Fri,
> 15 Dec 2023 15:21:05, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
> []
>> There is a constant obsession it feels to me - and I will cite
>> "Darling Buds of May" vs "The Larkins" and the two versions of "All
>> Creatures Great and Small" where the current adaptors cannot admit
>> that it has to be of the original time and place and present it as
>> such.  Of these two pairs the latest version of the first pair simply
>> tries to overlay and ignore the tax dodging element of Pa Larkin.  In
>> the latter pair a completely nonsense insertion was made relating to
>> the First World War.
>>
>> Only recently when visiting Herriot land did I find a little more of
>> the actual story of Alf Wight - and whilst his stories were again a
>> fictional wrap around of events the current C5 series has distorted
>> time lines whilst the first three BBC series were very close to the
>> books (at which time the original material had been used).
>>
>>
> On the other hand, _I_ have quite enjoyed the remake of ACG&S - while
> wondering _why_ they bothered; I find they've made a good job of it
> (which means I've not been aware of the anachronisms/whatever to which
> you refer), and have managed to either find sufficient new storylines in
> the source, or invented same (I've never read any of the books) in a
> sufficiently acceptable manner as not to be a scene-by-scene remake of
> the first go, so it's sufficiently entertaining. I've also been watching
> the old version, which is at 4:10 or 4:15 on weekdays on (FreeView)
> channel 20, and IMO it holds up perfectly acceptably, hence my wondering
> why they bothered to make the new version: the only obvious difference
> between the two, to me, is the different picture shape: I really _hope_
> that isn't the reason they gave to justify making the new series. (OK,
> and _occasional_ technical aspects of TV making that have changed in
> 40-odd years, but even to a technically-minded person like me, I've not
> noticed many of those, apart from the occasional alarming colour shift.)
>
> Strange what tricks memory plays on you: I thought we'd only had one or
> at most two series of the remake, but apparently we've had four. (I was
> saying - in uk.tech.broadcast - that what I thought was a weekly series
> seems to have been pulled, but is still being plugged, but as online
> only; someone pointed out that we've had all the episodes of the fourth
> series, apart from a Christmas special, which _will_ be broadcast [on
> the 23rd IIRR].)

My view may be influenced by having rewatched the original series (not
all of which I saw at the time of transmission) but having read all of
the original books and having in the last 18 months visited the original
vet practice (now a museum). In the latest series the country is at war
and James and wife visit the cinema - externally lights blazing and so
on. I was not alive in WW2 but have oft been told of the need for
blackout and I am sure a small town in the Yorkshire Dales was capable
of attracting attention if there were lights on. Once in the cinema the
news film refers to other parts of the country being shelled by German
warships. It then undermines the basic setting - for me at least.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> writes:

> Underwhelmed, but I’ve never lived in a village. I have read the book, but
> it was, to my taste, more of an outline than a history of someone”s life.
>
> On the other hand, a close friend who spent the first 50 or so years of her
> life in a village where her generation were at least the third, and mos
> villagers knew her parents, if not the three fully sighted children, she
> enjoyed it and could think of things from the past that might have happened
> in her Kentish village.

Wasn't Flora Thompson a wee bit dangerously radical for Ambridge? Or am
I thinking of somebody else?

Rosie

On 16.12.23 13:30, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
> Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> writes:
>
>> Underwhelmed, but I’ve never lived in a village. I have read the book, but
>> it was, to my taste, more of an outline than a history of someone”s life.
>>
>> On the other hand, a close friend who spent the first 50 or so years of her
>> life in a village where her generation were at least the third, and mos
>> villagers knew her parents, if not the three fully sighted children, she
>> enjoyed it and could think of things from the past that might have happened
>> in her Kentish village.
>
> Wasn't Flora Thompson a wee bit dangerously radical for Ambridge? Or am
> I thinking of somebody else?
>
> Rosie

I wonder what she would have made of the Horizon scandal. I still do
not understand why the Post Office is not moving heaven and earth to
right the wrongs as best they can but (per Private Eye) are still
seeking to identify barriers to settlements.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
> On 16.12.23 13:30, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>> Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> writes:
>>
>>> Underwhelmed, but I’ve never lived in a village. I have read the book, but
>>> it was, to my taste, more of an outline than a history of someone”s life.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, a close friend who spent the first 50 or so years of her
>>> life in a village where her generation were at least the third, and mos
>>> villagers knew her parents, if not the three fully sighted children, she
>>> enjoyed it and could think of things from the past that might have happened
>>> in her Kentish village.
>>
>> Wasn't Flora Thompson a wee bit dangerously radical for Ambridge? Or am
>> I thinking of somebody else?
>>
>> Rosie
>
> I wonder what she would have made of the Horizon scandal. I still do
> not understand why the Post Office is not moving heaven and earth to
> right the wrongs as best they can but (per Private Eye) are still
> seeking to identify barriers to settlements.
>

There’s one thing for sure, the PO are not being frank about it, such
dealings should be stamped out - I suppose a judge will parcel up all the
evidence one day and they will have to deliver then.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 22:47:19 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

>On the other hand, _I_ have quite enjoyed the remake of ACG&S - while
>wondering _why_ they bothered; I find they've made a good job of it
>(which means I've not been aware of the anachronisms/whatever to which
>you refer), and have managed to either find sufficient new storylines in
>the source, or invented same (I've never read any of the books) in a
>sufficiently acceptable manner as not to be a scene-by-scene remake of
>the first go, so it's sufficiently entertaining.

I've enjoyed that too, and have to keep reminding myself that Sam West is
not Robert Hardy. Good to have a Scottish accent for Heriot too. I haven't
read the books.

Has there ever been a remake of Heartbeat? I've enjoyed reading all the
Nick Rhea books this year because (a) they are in the library audio
catalogue and (b) they are a quick read when waiting for a book on hold and
I'm 1st in the queue.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On 18/12/2023 16:03, Penny wrote:
> Has there ever been a remake of Heartbeat? I've enjoyed reading all the
> Nick Rhea books this year because (a) they are in the library audio
> catalogue and (b) they are a quick read when waiting for a book on hold and
> I'm 1st in the queue.

I really enjoyed the books, but thought the TV version was a travesty.
No re-make AFAIK but the original seems to be on continuous repeat. My
late broil was addicted to it and watched every episode umpteen times,
swearing that he had never seen it before. Just saying "Heartbeat" now
is to induce shudders from my sis.
--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK