'They could try to buy the land off Jack but I don't fancy Tom's
chances in negotiating with an 8 year old' Think they were referring
to Grundies.

On 09/01/2024 09:14, Vicky wrote:
> 'They could try to buy the land off Jack but I don't fancy Tom's
> chances in negotiating with an 8 year old' Think they were referring
> to Grundies.

Bearing in mind the number of farmers who can't make the business work -
even with subsidies, it obviously paid well for Rob T since he had all
that money saved up to buy the land. One wonders where it came from.
Perhaps Jeremy Clarkson should engage a spirit medium to get in touch
with RT for a few hints.

John Finlay <chemistman@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 09/01/2024 09:14, Vicky wrote:
>> 'They could try to buy the land off Jack but I don't fancy Tom's
>> chances in negotiating with an 8 year old' Think they were referring
>> to Grundies.
>
> Bearing in mind the number of farmers who can't make the business work -
> even with subsidies, it obviously paid well for Rob T since he had all
> that money saved up to buy the land. One wonders where it came from.
> Perhaps Jeremy Clarkson should engage a spirit medium to get in touch
> with RT for a few hints.
>

‘Sobvious where Rob made his money; he invested in Myson Radiators. HTH,
HAND.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 9.1.24 14:26, John Finlay wrote:
> On 09/01/2024 09:14, Vicky wrote:
>> 'They could try to buy the land off Jack but I don't fancy Tom's
>> chances in negotiating with an 8 year old'  Think they were referring
>> to Grundies.
>
> Bearing in mind the number of farmers who can't make the business work -
> even with subsidies, it obviously paid well for Rob T since he had all
> that money saved up to buy the land. One wonders where it came from.
> Perhaps Jeremy Clarkson should engage a spirit medium to get in touch
> with RT for a few hints.

I wonder if at some point Ursula left some money for her sons and this
is being passed on. I find it hard to believe that Rob made significant
money whilst alive - no doubt well paid and parsimonious in expenditure
but to make large sums?

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 14:43:53 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
<toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:

>John Finlay <chemistman@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 09/01/2024 09:14, Vicky wrote:
>>> 'They could try to buy the land off Jack but I don't fancy Tom's
>>> chances in negotiating with an 8 year old' Think they were referring
>>> to Grundies.
>>
>> Bearing in mind the number of farmers who can't make the business work -
>> even with subsidies, it obviously paid well for Rob T since he had all
>> that money saved up to buy the land. One wonders where it came from.
>> Perhaps Jeremy Clarkson should engage a spirit medium to get in touch
>> with RT for a few hints.
>>
>
>‘Sobvious where Rob made his money; he invested in Myson Radiators. HTH,
>HAND.

Whoosh?

On 09/01/2024 16:41, krw wrote:
> On 9.1.24 14:26, John Finlay wrote:
>> On 09/01/2024 09:14, Vicky wrote:
>>> 'They could try to buy the land off Jack but I don't fancy Tom's
>>> chances in negotiating with an 8 year old'  Think they were referring
>>> to Grundies.
>>
>> Bearing in mind the number of farmers who can't make the business work
>> - even with subsidies, it obviously paid well for Rob T since he had
>> all that money saved up to buy the land. One wonders where it came
>> from. Perhaps Jeremy Clarkson should engage a spirit medium to get in
>> touch with RT for a few hints.
>
> I wonder if at some point Ursula left some money for her sons and this
> is being passed on.  I find it hard to believe that Rob made significant
> money whilst alive - no doubt well paid and parsimonious in expenditure
> but to make large sums?
>

Yes, my assumption has been that it was money he inherited from his
mother, and/or the results of an insurance policy - either life
insurance or a critical illness policy.

--
Best wishes, Serena
Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in
your garage makes you a car.

Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 14:43:53 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
> <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>
>> John Finlay <chemistman@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 09/01/2024 09:14, Vicky wrote:
>>>> 'They could try to buy the land off Jack but I don't fancy Tom's
>>>> chances in negotiating with an 8 year old' Think they were referring
>>>> to Grundies.
>>>
>>> Bearing in mind the number of farmers who can't make the business work -
>>> even with subsidies, it obviously paid well for Rob T since he had all
>>> that money saved up to buy the land. One wonders where it came from.
>>> Perhaps Jeremy Clarkson should engage a spirit medium to get in touch
>>> with RT for a few hints.
>>>
>>
>> ‘Sobvious where Rob made his money; he invested in Myson Radiators. HTH,
>> HAND.
>
> Whoosh?
>

I refer yer ‘onerable lady to :
https://www.myson.co.uk/products/radiators.htm

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Jan 9, 2024 at 11:41:13 AM EST, "krw" <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

> I wonder if at some point Ursula left some money for her sons and this
> is being passed on. I find it hard to believe that Rob made significant
> money whilst alive - no doubt well paid and parsimonious in expenditure
> but to make large sums?

We don't know that the ~500k for the land was some or all of his estate. It
may have been all. He was a senior factory farming manager, and ran large
units before coming to Ambridge, and subsequently in America. I find it easy
to believe that he was paid well and had a net worth of 500 grand at the time
of his death.

On 13/01/2024 21:31, Ben Blaney wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2024 at 11:41:13 AM EST, "krw" <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if at some point Ursula left some money for her sons and this
>> is being passed on. I find it hard to believe that Rob made significant
>> money whilst alive - no doubt well paid and parsimonious in expenditure
>> but to make large sums?
>
> We don't know that the ~500k for the land was some or all of his estate. It
> may have been all. He was a senior factory farming manager, and ran large
> units before coming to Ambridge, and subsequently in America. I find it easy
> to believe that he was paid well and had a net worth of 500 grand at the time
> of his death.

I do find it very strange still that buyers of land in this country can
hide behind lawyers so that their true identities and/or intentions are
obscured.

On 14-Jan-24 13:00, John Finlay wrote:
> On 13/01/2024 21:31, Ben Blaney wrote:
>> On Jan 9, 2024 at 11:41:13 AM EST, "krw" <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if at some point Ursula left some money for her sons and this
>>> is being passed on.  I find it hard to believe that Rob made significant
>>> money whilst alive - no doubt well paid and parsimonious in expenditure
>>> but to make large sums?
>>
>> We don't know that the ~500k for the land was some or all of his
>> estate. It
>> may have been all. He was a senior factory farming manager, and ran large
>> units before coming to Ambridge, and subsequently in America. I find
>> it easy
>> to believe that he was paid well and had a net worth of 500 grand at
>> the time
>> of his death.
>
> I do find it very strange still that buyers of land in this country can
> hide behind lawyers so that their true identities and/or intentions are
> obscured.

The Land Registry seem to think they can tell you who owns a piece of
land. Are they wrong[1]?

I suppose the owner could be a company which in turn is owned by another
company etc. etc. which might make it difficult.

[1] I'm sure they are, since they cannot tell you who owns _this_ piece
of land. We bought the house before the Land Registry covered this area.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 19:20:00 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 14-Jan-24 13:00, John Finlay wrote:
>> On 13/01/2024 21:31, Ben Blaney wrote:
>>> On Jan 9, 2024 at 11:41:13 AM EST, "krw" <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wonder if at some point Ursula left some money for her sons and this
>>>> is being passed on.  I find it hard to believe that Rob made significant
>>>> money whilst alive - no doubt well paid and parsimonious in expenditure
>>>> but to make large sums?
>>>
>>> We don't know that the ~500k for the land was some or all of his
>>> estate. It
>>> may have been all. He was a senior factory farming manager, and ran large
>>> units before coming to Ambridge, and subsequently in America. I find
>>> it easy
>>> to believe that he was paid well and had a net worth of 500 grand at
>>> the time
>>> of his death.
>>
>> I do find it very strange still that buyers of land in this country can
>> hide behind lawyers so that their true identities and/or intentions are
>> obscured.
>
>The Land Registry seem to think they can tell you who owns a piece of
>land. Are they wrong[1]?
>
>I suppose the owner could be a company which in turn is owned by another
>company etc. etc. which might make it difficult.
>
>[1] I'm sure they are, since they cannot tell you who owns _this_ piece
>of land. We bought the house before the Land Registry covered this area.

Was it the Panama Papers or something similar that uncovered the way
some people use an elaborate network of shell companies to obfuscate
the real ownership of property in the UK?

Nick

Nick Odell wrote:

>Was it the Panama Papers or something similar that uncovered the way
>some people use an elaborate network of shell companies to obfuscate
>the real ownership of property in the UK?

This kind of thing?

<https://twitter.com/DanNeidle/status/1746483181472104920>
"New report: we've traced 25 more Douglas Barrowman companies
where they've unlawfully concealed the ownership."

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

On 15/01/2024 09:06, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Nick Odell wrote:
>
>> Was it the Panama Papers or something similar that uncovered the way
>> some people use an elaborate network of shell companies to obfuscate
>> the real ownership of property in the UK?
>
> This kind of thing?
>
> <https://twitter.com/DanNeidle/status/1746483181472104920>
> "New report: we've traced 25 more Douglas Barrowman companies
> where they've unlawfully concealed the ownership."
>
> Chris

It's just Mone, Mone, Mone with you.

john

On 15/01/2024 10:55, John Ashby wrote:
> On 15/01/2024 09:06, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> Nick Odell wrote:
>>
>>> Was it the Panama Papers or something similar that uncovered the way
>>> some people use an elaborate network of shell companies to obfuscate
>>> the real ownership of property in the UK?
>>
>> This kind of thing?
>>
>> <https://twitter.com/DanNeidle/status/1746483181472104920>
>> "New report: we've traced 25 more Douglas Barrowman companies
>> where they've unlawfully concealed the ownership."
>
> It's just Mone, Mone, Mone with you.
>
<applause>

John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes:

> On 15/01/2024 09:06, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> Nick Odell wrote:
>>
>>> Was it the Panama Papers or something similar that uncovered the way
>>> some people use an elaborate network of shell companies to obfuscate
>>> the real ownership of property in the UK?
>> This kind of thing?
>> <https://twitter.com/DanNeidle/status/1746483181472104920>
>> "New report: we've traced 25 more Douglas Barrowman companies
>> where they've unlawfully concealed the ownership."
>> Chris
>
> It's just Mone, Mone, Mone with you.

Bravo!

Rosie

John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 15/01/2024 09:06, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> Nick Odell wrote:
>>
>>> Was it the Panama Papers or something similar that uncovered the way
>>> some people use an elaborate network of shell companies to obfuscate
>>> the real ownership of property in the UK?
>>
>> This kind of thing?
>>
>> <https://twitter.com/DanNeidle/status/1746483181472104920>
>> "New report: we've traced 25 more Douglas Barrowman companies
>> where they've unlawfully concealed the ownership."
>>
>> Chris
>
> It's just Mone, Mone, Mone with you.
>
> john
>

You may care to don PPE before reading such things - I know of a supplier
who has a frustrated order going spare…

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 14.1.24 13:00, John Finlay wrote:
> On 13/01/2024 21:31, Ben Blaney wrote:
>> On Jan 9, 2024 at 11:41:13 AM EST, "krw" <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if at some point Ursula left some money for her sons and this
>>> is being passed on.  I find it hard to believe that Rob made significant
>>> money whilst alive - no doubt well paid and parsimonious in expenditure
>>> but to make large sums?
>>
>> We don't know that the ~500k for the land was some or all of his
>> estate. It
>> may have been all. He was a senior factory farming manager, and ran large
>> units before coming to Ambridge, and subsequently in America. I find
>> it easy
>> to believe that he was paid well and had a net worth of 500 grand at
>> the time
>> of his death.
>
> I do find it very strange still that buyers of land in this country can
> hide behind lawyers so that their true identities and/or intentions are
> obscured.

Why should anyone announce themselves?

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

kosmo <kosmo@whitnet.uk> wrote:
> On 14.1.24 13:00, John Finlay wrote:
>> On 13/01/2024 21:31, Ben Blaney wrote:
>>> On Jan 9, 2024 at 11:41:13 AM EST, "krw" <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wonder if at some point Ursula left some money for her sons and this
>>>> is being passed on.  I find it hard to believe that Rob made significant
>>>> money whilst alive - no doubt well paid and parsimonious in expenditure
>>>> but to make large sums?
>>>
>>> We don't know that the ~500k for the land was some or all of his
>>> estate. It
>>> may have been all. He was a senior factory farming manager, and ran large
>>> units before coming to Ambridge, and subsequently in America. I find
>>> it easy
>>> to believe that he was paid well and had a net worth of 500 grand at
>>> the time
>>> of his death.
>>
>> I do find it very strange still that buyers of land in this country can
>> hide behind lawyers so that their true identities and/or intentions are
>> obscured.
>
> Why should anyone announce themselves?
>

‘This is Swindler Ruthless Fujitsu here, I may or may not have, a few
billion to invest in some land…’

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

In message <SDOdnQ3Vb4Vg1Tv4nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@brightview.co.uk> at Tue,
16 Jan 2024 09:14:38, kosmo <kosmo@whitnet.uk> writes
>On 14.1.24 13:00, John Finlay wrote:
[]
>> I do find it very strange still that buyers of land in this country
>>can hide behind lawyers so that their true identities and/or
>>intentions are obscured.
>
>Why should anyone announce themselves?
>
There's a difference between announcing, and deliberately obscuring.

I _believe_ - having used it on behalf of our residents' association -
that the _ownership_ of land can be determined, by a 3 pounds fee to the
land registry. Of course, this doesn't tell you anything about
_intentions_ - but those (short of very minor things, and I don't know
where the threshold is - IANAL) require planning permission, which has
to go through the usual tedious process. Though you need valid grounds
to object - "I don't like it" isn't one. In the case of a lot of
authorities - it may be all - the default position is permit, _unless_ a
valid objection is raised - which it can be by the authorities' own
people, or any consultee - or anyone else; you _don't_ have to be a
consultee to raise an objection (or to support!).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"... all your hard work in the hands of twelve people too stupid to get off
jury duty." CSI, 200x