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by: J. J. Lodder - Mon, 4 Mar 2024 09:34 UTC

Simple question: I have a Mac Mini with both bays filled.
I want to swap out one of the disks.
(with pre-loaded material on it)

The question is: Can I find out without opening the Mini
which physical disk is in the upper/lower bay?
I would like to know in advance because swapping out the lower one,
aka the upper one when the thing is on its back,
is much easier than getting out the other one.

Disk Util does tell me that there are two disks,
but afaics it doesn't tell me where they are, physically,

Jan

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by: dgb (David) - Mon, 4 Mar 2024 10:41 UTC

On 4 Mar 2024 at 09:34:12 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:

> Simple question: I have a Mac Mini with both bays filled.
> I want to swap out one of the disks.
> (with pre-loaded material on it)

Why do you want to do this?!!!

> The question is: Can I find out without opening the Mini
> which physical disk is in the upper/lower bay?
> I would like to know in advance because swapping out the lower one,
> aka the upper one when the thing is on its back,
> is much easier than getting out the other one.
>
> Disk Util does tell me that there are two disks,
> but afaics it doesn't tell me where they are, physically,
>
> Jan

I'm sure it's also possible that you might be removing information needed by
Apple in order to 'start' your computer!

Surely it would be easier to transfer all the data on the disk to an external
disk or to the cloud?

Then simply erase the disks(s) in your Mac Mini and start over.

--
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by: J. J. Lodder - Mon, 4 Mar 2024 13:43 UTC

dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 4 Mar 2024 at 09:34:12 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
>
> > Simple question: I have a Mac Mini with both bays filled.
> > I want to swap out one of the disks.
> > (with pre-loaded material on it)
>
> Why do you want to do this?!!!

Efficiently swapping minis and disks for friends,

Jan

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by: dgb (David) - Mon, 4 Mar 2024 15:38 UTC

On 4 Mar 2024 at 13:43:53 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:

> dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4 Mar 2024 at 09:34:12 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
>>
>>> Simple question: I have a Mac Mini with both bays filled.
>>> I want to swap out one of the disks.
>>> (with pre-loaded material on it)
>>
>> Why do you want to do this?!!!
>
> Efficiently swapping minis and disks for friends,

Hi Jan,

I've never used a Mac mini, but my Professor friend now has one!
He didn't at first believe that his accompanying screen, an Apple Studio
Display, is 27 inches as it's physically somewhat smaller than his previous
iMac!

Will you, please, explain the advantage(s) of "swapping minis and disks"?

--
David

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by: J. J. Lodder - Tue, 5 Mar 2024 12:22 UTC

dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 4 Mar 2024 at 13:43:53 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
>
> > dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 4 Mar 2024 at 09:34:12 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Simple question: I have a Mac Mini with both bays filled.
> >>> I want to swap out one of the disks.
> >>> (with pre-loaded material on it)
> >>
> >> Why do you want to do this?!!!
> >
> > Efficiently swapping minis and disks for friends,
>
> Hi Jan,
>
> I've never used a Mac mini, but my Professor friend now has one!
> He didn't at first believe that his accompanying screen, an Apple Studio
> Display, is 27 inches as it's physically somewhat smaller than his previous
> iMac!
>
> Will you, please, explain the advantage(s) of "swapping minis and disks"?

It is a given that this must happen.
It is also a given that some disks
will need to go into another machine.

It is just a matter of doing this with minimal taking apart
and reassembling,

Jan

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by: eastender - Wed, 6 Mar 2024 15:16 UTC

On 2024-03-04 09:34:12 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

> Simple question: I have a Mac Mini with both bays filled.
> I want to swap out one of the disks.
> (with pre-loaded material on it)
>
> The question is: Can I find out without opening the Mini
> which physical disk is in the upper/lower bay?

About this Mac>System Report>SATA/SATA Express

The SATA device report tells you the upper and lower position for each
disk. Assuming the disks are different in some way (eg capacity, SSD v
HDD) you can then tell where each is.

Bear in mind the upper position is in the bottom of the machine when
you open it up as you flip it on its top (I think).

It's not that hard to take it apart if you want to get at the upper one
- you can improvise the motherboard tool with a section from a
coathanger. I did this recently to replace a dud SSD in a 2012 i7 Mini.

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by: TimS - Wed, 6 Mar 2024 15:51 UTC

On 6 Mar 2024 at 15:16:36 GMT, "eastender" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> On 2024-03-04 09:34:12 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>
>> Simple question: I have a Mac Mini with both bays filled.
>> I want to swap out one of the disks.
>> (with pre-loaded material on it)
>>
>> The question is: Can I find out without opening the Mini
>> which physical disk is in the upper/lower bay?
>
> About this Mac>System Report>SATA/SATA Express
>
> The SATA device report tells you the upper and lower position for each
> disk. Assuming the disks are different in some way (eg capacity, SSD v
> HDD) you can then tell where each is.
>
> Bear in mind the upper position is in the bottom of the machine when
> you open it up as you flip it on its top (I think).
>
> It's not that hard to take it apart if you want to get at the upper one
> - you can improvise the motherboard tool with a section from a
> coathanger. I did this recently to replace a dud SSD in a 2012 i7 Mini.

The iFixit site used to sell teardown kits IIRC.

--
Tim

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by: eastender - Wed, 6 Mar 2024 16:13 UTC

On 2024-03-06 15:51:40 +0000, TimS said:

> The iFixit site used to sell teardown kits IIRC.

I bought a second-drive kit ages ago, which came with a SATA connector
and the removal tool but needless to say I couldn't find the tool -
hence the coathanger (needs to be one with stiff but bendable metal).

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by: J. J. Lodder - Wed, 6 Mar 2024 22:41 UTC

eastender <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

That's it, thanks. It hadn't occurred to me to look under SATA.
I only looked under 'Storage'.
Strangely enough SATA reports only the start-up disk. (it is in lower)
It doesn't report the other one.
'Storage' does report both disks.

> Bear in mind the upper position is in the bottom of the machine when
> you open it up as you flip it on its top (I think).

That's what I thought too, so it must be correct :-)

> It's not that hard to take it apart if you want to get at the upper one
> - you can improvise the motherboard tool with a section from a
> coathanger. I did this recently to replace a dud SSD in a 2012 i7 Mini.

You don't really need the special tool. (if you are careful)
And yes, you really do need to be careful.
I did see an advertisement once for a cheap Mini, needing repair,
because a component on the motherboard had been broken off,

Jan
(didn't buy it)

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by: J. J. Lodder - Wed, 6 Mar 2024 22:41 UTC

eastender <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> On 2024-03-06 15:51:40 +0000, TimS said:
>
> > The iFixit site used to sell teardown kits IIRC.
>
> I bought a second-drive kit ages ago, which came with a SATA connector
> and the removal tool but needless to say I couldn't find the tool -
> hence the coathanger (needs to be one with stiff but bendable metal).

Any two pins in the holes will do.
Hint on ordering: I once tried to install a second drive in a Mini.
Ordered the upgrade kit, and it turned out that
the single drive in it was in the upper bay.
The seller had removed the lower drive with its SATA cable,
so I had two upper SATA cables. They can be made to fit,
but not comfortably.

Found out the next time round that Amazon sells second drive kits
with have both cables.
So the hint: look what you have before you order,

Jan

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by: dgb (David) - Wed, 6 Mar 2024 22:53 UTC

On 5 Mar 2024 at 12:22:22 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:

> dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4 Mar 2024 at 13:43:53 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
>>
>>> dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4 Mar 2024 at 09:34:12 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Simple question: I have a Mac Mini with both bays filled.
>>>>> I want to swap out one of the disks.
>>>>> (with pre-loaded material on it)
>>>>
>>>> Why do you want to do this?!!!
>>>
>>> Efficiently swapping minis and disks for friends,
>>
>> Hi Jan,
>>
>> I've never used a Mac mini, but my Professor friend now has one!
>> He didn't at first believe that his accompanying screen, an Apple Studio
>> Display, is 27 inches as it's physically somewhat smaller than his previous
>> iMac!
>>
>> Will you, please, explain the advantage(s) of "swapping minis and disks"?
>
> It is a given that this must happen.

I do not understand WHY!

> It is also a given that some disks
> will need to go into another machine.

Why?

> It is just a matter of doing this with minimal taking apart
> and reassembling.

Are you doing this for monetary reward?

> Jan

How /often/ might you be doing this, Jan?

--
David

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by: RJH - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 01:08 UTC

On 6 Mar 2024 at 22:41:12 GMT, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> eastender <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
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>> On 2024-03-06 15:51:40 +0000, TimS said:
>>
>>> The iFixit site used to sell teardown kits IIRC.
>>
>> I bought a second-drive kit ages ago, which came with a SATA connector
>> and the removal tool but needless to say I couldn't find the tool -
>> hence the coathanger (needs to be one with stiff but bendable metal).
>
> Any two pins in the holes will do.

Yes, I've done it a few times on an 2011 Mini with a couple of screwdrivers.
But it is in tight and takes quite a bit of force.

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by: J. J. Lodder - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 09:38 UTC

RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

> On 6 Mar 2024 at 22:41:12 GMT, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
> > eastender <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2024-03-06 15:51:40 +0000, TimS said:
> >>
> >>> The iFixit site used to sell teardown kits IIRC.
> >>
> >> I bought a second-drive kit ages ago, which came with a SATA connector
> >> and the removal tool but needless to say I couldn't find the tool -
> >> hence the coathanger (needs to be one with stiff but bendable metal).
> >
> > Any two pins in the holes will do.
>
> Yes, I've done it a few times on an 2011 Mini with a couple of screwdrivers.
> But it is in tight and takes quite a bit of force.

Virgin Minis are more difficult...

Jan

Brandy-and-water spoils two good things. -- Charles Lamb

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Subject	Author
Bays in Mac Mini 2010-12	J. J. Lodder
Re: Bays in Mac Mini 2010-12	dgb (David)
Re: Bays in Mac Mini 2010-12	J. J. Lodder
Re: Bays in Mac Mini 2010-12	dgb (David)
Re: Bays in Mac Mini 2010-12	J. J. Lodder
Re: Bays in Mac Mini 2010-12	dgb (David)
Re: Bays in Mac Mini 2010-12	eastender
Re: Bays in Mac Mini 2010-12	TimS
Re: Bays in Mac Mini 2010-12	eastender
Re: Bays in Mac Mini 2010-12	J. J. Lodder
Re: Bays in Mac Mini 2010-12	RJH
Re: Bays in Mac Mini 2010-12	J. J. Lodder
Re: Bays in Mac Mini 2010-12	J. J. Lodder