John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes:

> On 20/01/2024 13:55, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>>
>>> In message <EbFqN.244487$Wp_8.161276@fx17.iad> at Sat, 20 Jan 2024
>>> 01:18:26, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>>>> On 19-Jan-24 20:50, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>> agsmith578688@gmail.com (tonysmith) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've recently had some arguments - on YouTube - about the phrase
>>>>>>>>> "The British Isles". Which, to me, is purely a geographical
>>>>>>>>> expression for the group of a few thousand islands (including two
>>>>>>>>> big ones) off the northeast coast of Europe. But apparently some in
>>>>>>>>> Eire find it offensive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Given that celestial is objectionable I would recommend the British
>>>>>>>> and Irish Isles these days.
>>>
>>> Celestial?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe North Atlantic Archipelago is the terminology du jour
>>>
>>> The person I was "corresponding" with before I gave up and used the
>>> YouTube equivalent of killfiling, said the preferred term was
>>> something like "Great Britain and Ireland". I pointed out to him that
>>> it wasn't clear from that whether one was talking about the whole
>>> archipelago or just the two largest islands, but he never came out
>>> with an answer to that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rosie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arer we allowed to say "The Irish Sea"?
>>>>> Of course we are, unless there's a possibility of finding oil
>>>>> there in
>>>>> which case it's the Celtic Sea to stop the Paddies getting big ideas.
>>>
>>> Hmm, that might give the Scots ideas ... (-:
>>>
>>> ("Theee, yinglish thee yinglish thee yinglish are ...")
>>>>
>>>> We should just call it "The Britannic Sea". (the waving of little
>>>> Union Jacks and cries of "Huzza!" would be very fitting).
>>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure something nearby - I think it might have been the
>>> channel, or maybe the North Sea - was called "The German" something
>>> (sea I think) not too long ago.
>> The German Ocean. Originally Mare Germanicum to the Romans.
>> One of those things that conveniently changed in the Great War, like
>> Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
>> Rosie
>
> Do you mean The War to End Wars? That went well.

Indeed, even more than a century on the world is still dealing with the
hash we made of carving up the Ottoman Empire.

Rosie

Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes:

> On 20-Jan-24 14:38, John Ashby wrote:
>> On 20/01/2024 13:55, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>>>
>>>> In message <EbFqN.244487$Wp_8.161276@fx17.iad> at Sat, 20 Jan 2024
>>>> 01:18:26, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>>>>> On 19-Jan-24 20:50, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>> agsmith578688@gmail.com (tonysmith) writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've recently had some arguments - on YouTube - about the phrase
>>>>>>>>>> "The British Isles". Which, to me, is purely a geographical
>>>>>>>>>> expression for the group of a few thousand islands (including two
>>>>>>>>>> big ones) off the northeast coast of Europe. But apparently
>>>>>>>>>> some in
>>>>>>>>>> Eire find it offensive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Given that celestial is objectionable I would recommend the British
>>>>>>>>> and Irish Isles these days.
>>>>
>>>> Celestial?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I believe North Atlantic Archipelago is the terminology du jour
>>>>
>>>> The person I was "corresponding" with before I gave up and used the
>>>> YouTube equivalent of killfiling, said the preferred term was
>>>> something like "Great Britain and Ireland". I pointed out to him that
>>>> it wasn't clear from that whether one was talking about the whole
>>>> archipelago or just the two largest islands, but he never came out
>>>> with an answer to that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rosie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arer we allowed to say "The Irish Sea"?
>>>>>>   Of course we are, unless there's a possibility of finding oil
>>>>>> there in
>>>>>> which case it's the Celtic Sea to stop the Paddies getting big ideas.
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, that might give the Scots ideas ... (-:
>>>>
>>>> ("Theee, yinglish thee yinglish thee yinglish are ...")
>>>>>
>>>>> We should just call it "The Britannic Sea". (the waving of little
>>>>> Union Jacks and cries of "Huzza!" would be very fitting).
>>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure something nearby - I think it might have been the
>>>> channel, or maybe the North Sea - was called "The German" something
>>>> (sea I think) not too long ago.
>>>
>>> The German Ocean. Originally Mare Germanicum to the Romans.
>>>
>>> One of those things that conveniently changed in the Great War, like
>>> Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
>>>
>>> Rosie
>> Do you mean The War to End Wars? That went well.
>
> So well that people demanded a sequel.
>
> A franchise?

Just unfinished business. Largely because the Turkish government tore up
the Treaty of Sèvres (I had to look that one up – one of the many
useless things I was supposed to memorise in school history was the
various peace treaties that supposedly ended the Great War, and the only
one I have ever been able to remember was the one signed in the Chamber of
Horrors at Versailles). The unpleasantness between 1939 and 1945 was
merely a major flare-up in my estimation.

Rosie

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 18:11:55 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 20-Jan-24 14:38, John Ashby wrote:
>> On 20/01/2024 13:55, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>>>
>>>> In message <EbFqN.244487$Wp_8.161276@fx17.iad> at Sat, 20 Jan 2024
>>>> 01:18:26, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>>>>> On 19-Jan-24 20:50, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>> agsmith578688@gmail.com (tonysmith) writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've recently had some arguments - on YouTube - about the phrase
>>>>>>>>>> "The British Isles". Which, to me, is purely a geographical
>>>>>>>>>> expression for the group of a few thousand islands (including two
>>>>>>>>>> big ones) off the northeast coast of Europe. But apparently
>>>>>>>>>> some in
>>>>>>>>>> Eire find it offensive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Given that celestial is objectionable I would recommend the British
>>>>>>>>> and Irish Isles these days.
>>>>
>>>> Celestial?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I believe North Atlantic Archipelago is the terminology du jour
>>>>
>>>> The person I was "corresponding" with before I gave up and used the
>>>> YouTube equivalent of killfiling, said the preferred term was
>>>> something like "Great Britain and Ireland". I pointed out to him that
>>>> it wasn't clear from that whether one was talking about the whole
>>>> archipelago or just the two largest islands, but he never came out
>>>> with an answer to that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rosie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arer we allowed to say "The Irish Sea"?
>>>>>>   Of course we are, unless there's a possibility of finding oil
>>>>>> there in
>>>>>> which case it's the Celtic Sea to stop the Paddies getting big ideas.
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, that might give the Scots ideas ... (-:
>>>>
>>>> ("Theee, yinglish thee yinglish thee yinglish are ...")
>>>>>
>>>>> We should just call it "The Britannic Sea". (the waving of little
>>>>> Union Jacks and cries of "Huzza!" would be very fitting).
>>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure something nearby - I think it might have been the
>>>> channel, or maybe the North Sea - was called "The German" something
>>>> (sea I think) not too long ago.
>>>
>>> The German Ocean. Originally Mare Germanicum to the Romans.
>>>
>>> One of those things that conveniently changed in the Great War, like
>>> Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
>>>
>>> Rosie
>>
>> Do you mean The War to End Wars? That went well.
>
>So well that people demanded a sequel.
>
>A franchise?

Their second war was rubbish

In message <877ck3rcff.fsf@golgonooza.co.uk> at Sat, 20 Jan 2024
20:13:08, Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
[]
>Just unfinished business. Largely because the Turkish government tore up
>the Treaty of Sèvres (I had to look that one up – one of the many
>useless things I was supposed to memorise in school history was the
>various peace treaties that supposedly ended the Great War, and the only
>one I have ever been able to remember was the one signed in the Chamber of
>Horrors at Versailles). The unpleasantness between 1939 and 1945 was
>merely a major flare-up in my estimation.
>
>Rosie
>
>
"[Ti tum ti] The Germans, are warlike, and mean -
but that shouldn't happen, again;
We taught them a lesson, in nineteen eighteen -
and they haven't bothered us since then."

MLF Lullaby, Tom Lehrer (written in I think the '60s)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I know people who worry more about the health consequences of drinking a coffee
at breakfast than a bottle of urine at dinner
- Revd Richard Cole, RT 2021/7/3-9

On 20-Jan-24 21:27, Vicky wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 18:11:55 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 20-Jan-24 14:38, John Ashby wrote:
>>> On 20/01/2024 13:55, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> In message <EbFqN.244487$Wp_8.161276@fx17.iad> at Sat, 20 Jan 2024
>>>>> 01:18:26, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>>>>>> On 19-Jan-24 20:50, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>> agsmith578688@gmail.com (tonysmith) writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've recently had some arguments - on YouTube - about the phrase
>>>>>>>>>>> "The British Isles". Which, to me, is purely a geographical
>>>>>>>>>>> expression for the group of a few thousand islands (including two
>>>>>>>>>>> big ones) off the northeast coast of Europe. But apparently
>>>>>>>>>>> some in
>>>>>>>>>>> Eire find it offensive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Given that celestial is objectionable I would recommend the British
>>>>>>>>>> and Irish Isles these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Celestial?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I believe North Atlantic Archipelago is the terminology du jour
>>>>>
>>>>> The person I was "corresponding" with before I gave up and used the
>>>>> YouTube equivalent of killfiling, said the preferred term was
>>>>> something like "Great Britain and Ireland". I pointed out to him that
>>>>> it wasn't clear from that whether one was talking about the whole
>>>>> archipelago or just the two largest islands, but he never came out
>>>>> with an answer to that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rosie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Arer we allowed to say "The Irish Sea"?
>>>>>>>   Of course we are, unless there's a possibility of finding oil
>>>>>>> there in
>>>>>>> which case it's the Celtic Sea to stop the Paddies getting big ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm, that might give the Scots ideas ... (-:
>>>>>
>>>>> ("Theee, yinglish thee yinglish thee yinglish are ...")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We should just call it "The Britannic Sea". (the waving of little
>>>>>> Union Jacks and cries of "Huzza!" would be very fitting).
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm pretty sure something nearby - I think it might have been the
>>>>> channel, or maybe the North Sea - was called "The German" something
>>>>> (sea I think) not too long ago.
>>>>
>>>> The German Ocean. Originally Mare Germanicum to the Romans.
>>>>
>>>> One of those things that conveniently changed in the Great War, like
>>>> Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
>>>>
>>>> Rosie
>>>
>>> Do you mean The War to End Wars? That went well.
>>
>> So well that people demanded a sequel.
>>
>> A franchise?
>
> Their second war was rubbish

And thus a great opportunity for recycling.

--
Sam Plusnet

Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 18:11:55 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 20-Jan-24 14:38, John Ashby wrote:
>>> On 20/01/2024 13:55, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> In message <EbFqN.244487$Wp_8.161276@fx17.iad> at Sat, 20 Jan 2024
>>>>> 01:18:26, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>>>>>> On 19-Jan-24 20:50, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>> agsmith578688@gmail.com (tonysmith) writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've recently had some arguments - on YouTube - about the phrase
>>>>>>>>>>> "The British Isles". Which, to me, is purely a geographical
>>>>>>>>>>> expression for the group of a few thousand islands (including two
>>>>>>>>>>> big ones) off the northeast coast of Europe. But apparently
>>>>>>>>>>> some in
>>>>>>>>>>> Eire find it offensive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Given that celestial is objectionable I would recommend the British
>>>>>>>>>> and Irish Isles these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Celestial?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I believe North Atlantic Archipelago is the terminology du jour
>>>>>
>>>>> The person I was "corresponding" with before I gave up and used the
>>>>> YouTube equivalent of killfiling, said the preferred term was
>>>>> something like "Great Britain and Ireland". I pointed out to him that
>>>>> it wasn't clear from that whether one was talking about the whole
>>>>> archipelago or just the two largest islands, but he never came out
>>>>> with an answer to that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rosie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Arer we allowed to say "The Irish Sea"?
>>>>>>>   Of course we are, unless there's a possibility of finding oil
>>>>>>> there in
>>>>>>> which case it's the Celtic Sea to stop the Paddies getting big ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm, that might give the Scots ideas ... (-:
>>>>>
>>>>> ("Theee, yinglish thee yinglish thee yinglish are ...")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We should just call it "The Britannic Sea". (the waving of little
>>>>>> Union Jacks and cries of "Huzza!" would be very fitting).
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm pretty sure something nearby - I think it might have been the
>>>>> channel, or maybe the North Sea - was called "The German" something
>>>>> (sea I think) not too long ago.
>>>>
>>>> The German Ocean. Originally Mare Germanicum to the Romans.
>>>>
>>>> One of those things that conveniently changed in the Great War, like
>>>> Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
>>>>
>>>> Rosie
>>>
>>> Do you mean The War to End Wars? That went well.
>>
>> So well that people demanded a sequel.
>>
>> A franchise?
>
> Their second war was rubbish
>

BTN!

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> writes:

> Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 18:11:55 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20-Jan-24 14:38, John Ashby wrote:
>>>> On 20/01/2024 13:55, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In message <EbFqN.244487$Wp_8.161276@fx17.iad> at Sat, 20 Jan 2024
>>>>>> 01:18:26, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>>>>>>> On 19-Jan-24 20:50, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>>> agsmith578688@gmail.com (tonysmith) writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've recently had some arguments - on YouTube - about the phrase
>>>>>>>>>>>> "The British Isles". Which, to me, is purely a geographical
>>>>>>>>>>>> expression for the group of a few thousand islands (including two
>>>>>>>>>>>> big ones) off the northeast coast of Europe. But apparently
>>>>>>>>>>>> some in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eire find it offensive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Given that celestial is objectionable I would recommend the British
>>>>>>>>>>> and Irish Isles these days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Celestial?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I believe North Atlantic Archipelago is the terminology du jour
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The person I was "corresponding" with before I gave up and used the
>>>>>> YouTube equivalent of killfiling, said the preferred term was
>>>>>> something like "Great Britain and Ireland". I pointed out to him that
>>>>>> it wasn't clear from that whether one was talking about the whole
>>>>>> archipelago or just the two largest islands, but he never came out
>>>>>> with an answer to that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rosie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Arer we allowed to say "The Irish Sea"?
>>>>>>>>   Of course we are, unless there's a possibility of finding oil
>>>>>>>> there in
>>>>>>>> which case it's the Celtic Sea to stop the Paddies getting big ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmm, that might give the Scots ideas ... (-:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ("Theee, yinglish thee yinglish thee yinglish are ...")
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We should just call it "The Britannic Sea". (the waving of little
>>>>>>> Union Jacks and cries of "Huzza!" would be very fitting).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure something nearby - I think it might have been the
>>>>>> channel, or maybe the North Sea - was called "The German" something
>>>>>> (sea I think) not too long ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> The German Ocean. Originally Mare Germanicum to the Romans.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of those things that conveniently changed in the Great War, like
>>>>> Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rosie
>>>>
>>>> Do you mean The War to End Wars? That went well.
>>>
>>> So well that people demanded a sequel.
>>>
>>> A franchise?
>>
>> Their second war was rubbish
>>
>
> BTN!

No, sorry.

Rosie BTM

On 21/01/2024 11:51, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
> Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> writes:
>
>> Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 18:11:55 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20-Jan-24 14:38, John Ashby wrote:
>>>>> On 20/01/2024 13:55, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In message <EbFqN.244487$Wp_8.161276@fx17.iad> at Sat, 20 Jan 2024
>>>>>>> 01:18:26, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>>>>>>>> On 19-Jan-24 20:50, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>>>> agsmith578688@gmail.com (tonysmith) writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've recently had some arguments - on YouTube - about the phrase
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The British Isles". Which, to me, is purely a geographical
>>>>>>>>>>>>> expression for the group of a few thousand islands (including two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> big ones) off the northeast coast of Europe. But apparently
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eire find it offensive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Given that celestial is objectionable I would recommend the British
>>>>>>>>>>>> and Irish Isles these days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Celestial?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I believe North Atlantic Archipelago is the terminology du jour
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The person I was "corresponding" with before I gave up and used the
>>>>>>> YouTube equivalent of killfiling, said the preferred term was
>>>>>>> something like "Great Britain and Ireland". I pointed out to him that
>>>>>>> it wasn't clear from that whether one was talking about the whole
>>>>>>> archipelago or just the two largest islands, but he never came out
>>>>>>> with an answer to that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rosie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Arer we allowed to say "The Irish Sea"?
>>>>>>>>>   Of course we are, unless there's a possibility of finding oil
>>>>>>>>> there in
>>>>>>>>> which case it's the Celtic Sea to stop the Paddies getting big ideas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmm, that might give the Scots ideas ... (-:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ("Theee, yinglish thee yinglish thee yinglish are ...")
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We should just call it "The Britannic Sea". (the waving of little
>>>>>>>> Union Jacks and cries of "Huzza!" would be very fitting).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure something nearby - I think it might have been the
>>>>>>> channel, or maybe the North Sea - was called "The German" something
>>>>>>> (sea I think) not too long ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The German Ocean. Originally Mare Germanicum to the Romans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of those things that conveniently changed in the Great War, like
>>>>>> Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rosie
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean The War to End Wars? That went well.
>>>>
>>>> So well that people demanded a sequel.
>>>>
>>>> A franchise?
>>>
>>> Their second war was rubbish
>>>
>>
>> BTN!
>
> No, sorry.
>
Boodly funny though :)

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 01:13:33 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 19-Jan-24 23:15, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 01:51:55 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <c648ae3254fab2c5113debd60c154285@www.novabbs.com> at Wed, 17
>>> Jan 2024 19:47:48, nick <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>>> snip>
>>>>
>>>> Well, I'm bloomin' well not dragging myself down to that London for
>>>> another state funeral for a while longer yet so they'd both better
>>>> hurry up and get better.
>>>
>>> (-: [I didn't go to the last one - it never occurred to me to do so. I
>>> now don't go into the ULEZ unless I have a very good reason (which I
>>> haven't so far).]
>>>>
>> I went to the last one more as a mark of respect to my late mother who
>> took me to the one before that when I were nobbut a lad. FWIW I go in
>> and out of the ULEZ whenever I want and without a care in the world
>> and what's more, nobody has ever tried to suck £12.50 out of my bank
>> account for doing so.
>
>Does some transport organisation suck a (possibly larger) sum from your
>account?

Nope. On the other hand, I suck a sum of money from the account of a
local transport organisation every time I use my concessionary bus
pass.

Nick

On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 12:27:34 +0000, BrritSki
<rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 21/01/2024 11:51, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>> Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 18:11:55 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20-Jan-24 14:38, John Ashby wrote:
>>>>>> On 20/01/2024 13:55, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In message <EbFqN.244487$Wp_8.161276@fx17.iad> at Sat, 20 Jan 2024
>>>>>>>> 01:18:26, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>>>>>>>>> On 19-Jan-24 20:50, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> agsmith578688@gmail.com (tonysmith) writes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've recently had some arguments - on YouTube - about the phrase
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The British Isles". Which, to me, is purely a geographical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expression for the group of a few thousand islands (including two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big ones) off the northeast coast of Europe. But apparently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eire find it offensive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given that celestial is objectionable I would recommend the British
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Irish Isles these days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Celestial?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe North Atlantic Archipelago is the terminology du jour
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The person I was "corresponding" with before I gave up and used the
>>>>>>>> YouTube equivalent of killfiling, said the preferred term was
>>>>>>>> something like "Great Britain and Ireland". I pointed out to him that
>>>>>>>> it wasn't clear from that whether one was talking about the whole
>>>>>>>> archipelago or just the two largest islands, but he never came out
>>>>>>>> with an answer to that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rosie
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Arer we allowed to say "The Irish Sea"?
>>>>>>>>>>   Of course we are, unless there's a possibility of finding oil
>>>>>>>>>> there in
>>>>>>>>>> which case it's the Celtic Sea to stop the Paddies getting big ideas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmm, that might give the Scots ideas ... (-:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ("Theee, yinglish thee yinglish thee yinglish are ...")
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We should just call it "The Britannic Sea". (the waving of little
>>>>>>>>> Union Jacks and cries of "Huzza!" would be very fitting).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure something nearby - I think it might have been the
>>>>>>>> channel, or maybe the North Sea - was called "The German" something
>>>>>>>> (sea I think) not too long ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The German Ocean. Originally Mare Germanicum to the Romans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of those things that conveniently changed in the Great War, like
>>>>>>> Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rosie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you mean The War to End Wars? That went well.
>>>>>
>>>>> So well that people demanded a sequel.
>>>>>
>>>>> A franchise?
>>>>
>>>> Their second war was rubbish
>>>>
>>>
>>> BTN!
>>
>> No, sorry.
>>
>Boodly funny though :)
<languid wave>

N.

BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes:

> On 21/01/2024 11:51, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>> Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 18:11:55 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20-Jan-24 14:38, John Ashby wrote:
>>>>>> On 20/01/2024 13:55, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In message <EbFqN.244487$Wp_8.161276@fx17.iad> at Sat, 20 Jan 2024
>>>>>>>> 01:18:26, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>>>>>>>>> On 19-Jan-24 20:50, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> agsmith578688@gmail.com (tonysmith) writes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've recently had some arguments - on YouTube - about the phrase
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The British Isles". Which, to me, is purely a geographical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expression for the group of a few thousand islands (including two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big ones) off the northeast coast of Europe. But apparently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eire find it offensive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given that celestial is objectionable I would recommend the British
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Irish Isles these days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Celestial?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe North Atlantic Archipelago is the terminology du jour
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The person I was "corresponding" with before I gave up and used the
>>>>>>>> YouTube equivalent of killfiling, said the preferred term was
>>>>>>>> something like "Great Britain and Ireland". I pointed out to him that
>>>>>>>> it wasn't clear from that whether one was talking about the whole
>>>>>>>> archipelago or just the two largest islands, but he never came out
>>>>>>>> with an answer to that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rosie
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Arer we allowed to say "The Irish Sea"?
>>>>>>>>>>   Of course we are, unless there's a possibility of finding oil
>>>>>>>>>> there in
>>>>>>>>>> which case it's the Celtic Sea to stop the Paddies getting big ideas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmm, that might give the Scots ideas ... (-:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ("Theee, yinglish thee yinglish thee yinglish are ...")
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We should just call it "The Britannic Sea". (the waving of little
>>>>>>>>> Union Jacks and cries of "Huzza!" would be very fitting).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure something nearby - I think it might have been the
>>>>>>>> channel, or maybe the North Sea - was called "The German" something
>>>>>>>> (sea I think) not too long ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The German Ocean. Originally Mare Germanicum to the Romans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of those things that conveniently changed in the Great War, like
>>>>>>> Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rosie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you mean The War to End Wars? That went well.
>>>>>
>>>>> So well that people demanded a sequel.
>>>>>
>>>>> A franchise?
>>>>
>>>> Their second war was rubbish
>>>>
>>>
>>> BTN!
>> No, sorry.
>>
> Boodly funny though :)

I agree, but not in bad taste.

Rosie

On 20.1.24 07:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
> Celestial?
>>>>

Apparently it is objectionable so it is why the Doctor only had to deal
with the Toymaker this time around rather than the Celestial Toymaker.

Did anyone watch the specials?

Does anyone think that the Doctor has jumped the shark?

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 11:05:58 +0000, kosmo <kosmo@whitnet.uk> wrote:

>On 20.1.24 07:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>
>> Celestial?
>>>>>
>
>
>Apparently it is objectionable so it is why the Doctor only had to deal
>with the Toymaker this time around rather than the Celestial Toymaker.
>
>Did anyone watch the specials?
>
>Does anyone think that the Doctor has jumped the shark?

I've heard reports that he has, but can't watch as I no longer pay the
licence, so can't watch BBC iplayer or live. It will come somewhere I
can watch eventually. B stopped watching a few series ago.

In message <nhucnfjI6pEFtCf4nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> at Wed,
31 Jan 2024 11:05:58, kosmo <kosmo@whitnet.uk> writes
>On 20.1.24 07:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> Celestial?
>>>>>
>
>
>Apparently it is objectionable so it is why the Doctor only had to deal
>with the Toymaker this time around rather than the Celestial Toymaker.
[]
Good grief, as Charlie Brown would say. How on earth is Celestial
objectionable? Is it one of those words that has gained another meaning
when I wasn't looking? Like gay (OK, I'm kidding there), trans (which to
me was just a prefix in organic chemistry alongside cis- and iso-),
wicked, and many others?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

.... "Peter and out." ... "Kevin and out." (Link episode)

On 31-Jan-24 12:02, Vicky wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 11:05:58 +0000, kosmo <kosmo@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 20.1.24 07:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>
>>> Celestial?
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>> Apparently it is objectionable so it is why the Doctor only had to deal
>> with the Toymaker this time around rather than the Celestial Toymaker.
>>
>> Did anyone watch the specials?
>>
>> Does anyone think that the Doctor has jumped the shark?
>
> I've heard reports that he has, but can't watch as I no longer pay the
> licence, so can't watch BBC iplayer or live. It will come somewhere I
> can watch eventually. B stopped watching a few series ago.

I lost track of it after William Hartnell moved on to other things.

Proper actor he was. That voice could reach the back of the Stalls
without any effort.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 12:02:12 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 11:05:58 +0000, kosmo <kosmo@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 20.1.24 07:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>
>>> Celestial?
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>Apparently it is objectionable so it is why the Doctor only had to deal
>>with the Toymaker this time around rather than the Celestial Toymaker.
>>
>>Did anyone watch the specials?
>>
>>Does anyone think that the Doctor has jumped the shark?
>
>I've heard reports that he has, but can't watch as I no longer pay the
>licence, so can't watch BBC iplayer or live. It will come somewhere I
>can watch eventually. B stopped watching a few series ago.

I've not checked recently but in the past I've found Doctor Who
episodes have appeared on dailymotion.com pretty soon after broadcast.
Beware the ones that pretend to be episodes but are really long
adverts for streaming services. Watching on DailyMotion is not in
breach of TV Licencing conditions so they can't touch you for it. It
is a breach of copyright, though an attitude of "come and get me if
you think you're hard enough" should get you though.

Nick

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:47:44 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 31-Jan-24 12:02, Vicky wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 11:05:58 +0000, kosmo <kosmo@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20.1.24 07:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Celestial?
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently it is objectionable so it is why the Doctor only had to deal
>>> with the Toymaker this time around rather than the Celestial Toymaker.
>>>
>>> Did anyone watch the specials?
>>>
>>> Does anyone think that the Doctor has jumped the shark?
>>
>> I've heard reports that he has, but can't watch as I no longer pay the
>> licence, so can't watch BBC iplayer or live. It will come somewhere I
>> can watch eventually. B stopped watching a few series ago.
>
>I lost track of it after William Hartnell moved on to other things.
>
>Proper actor he was. That voice could reach the back of the Stalls
>without any effort.

My mother often said that at RADA they taught her to project her voice
as if she were speaking personally to two little old ladies sitting in
the back of the stalls. "Because in Rep, on a matinee, that's probably
all you'll be peforming for."

Nick

On 31.1.24 22:57, Nick Odell wrote:
> My mother often said that at RADA they taught her to project her voice
> as if she were speaking personally to two little old ladies sitting in
> the back of the stalls. "Because in Rep, on a matinee, that's probably
> all you'll be peforming for."

I got roped into a small amount of acting at school - still not sure why
- but the ring leader arranged that we did rehearsal on the school stage
and one of our classmates sat at the back and was able to confirm that
he could hear most of what we said (it seemed a large hall at the time
but if it is still there (doubtful)) and subsequently we were rather
glad he did because the competition had clearly not undertaken this
simple precaution and as we sat through the other playlets it became
clear that we could not hear some of it even in the middle of the hall
because no-one was projecting.

We even won the prize! Which was to perform in front of a proper
audience in the same hall.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 31.1.24 12:40, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> Is it one of those words that has gained another meaning when I wasn't
> looking?

I suggest referring to wikipedia but the answer to your question is yes.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

In message <8wydnXMBG7tyQif4nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> at Thu, 1
Feb 2024 00:03:58, kosmo <kosmo@whitnet.uk> writes
>On 31.1.24 22:57, Nick Odell wrote:
>> My mother often said that at RADA they taught her to project her voice
>> as if she were speaking personally to two little old ladies sitting in
>> the back of the stalls. "Because in Rep, on a matinee, that's probably
>> all you'll be peforming for."

(-:
>
>I got roped into a small amount of acting at school - still not sure
>why - but the ring leader arranged that we did rehearsal on the school
>stage and one of our classmates sat at the back and was able to confirm
>that he could hear most of what we said (it seemed a large hall at the
[]
>We even won the prize! Which was to perform in front of a proper
>audience in the same hall.
>
Did you want to? I am reminded of the old joke in the 1970s, when Radio
Prague (I was a "short-wave listener") used to do an essay competition,
first prize being a week in the wonderful people's republic (actually,
maybe it wasn't Prague; I don't think Czechoslovakia was ever that). The
joke was that the second prize was two weeks there ...
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

What has happened since 1979, I suspect, is that the spotting of mistakes has
become entirely associated with mean-spiritedness, snobbishness and
judgementalism. But...can be...funny and interesting.
Lynn Truss, RT 2015/2/21-27

In message <8wydnXIBG7u4fSf4nZ2dnZfqn_YAAAAA@brightview.co.uk> at Thu, 1
Feb 2024 00:04:52, kosmo <kosmo@whitnet.uk> writes
>On 31.1.24 12:40, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> Is it one of those words that has gained another meaning when I
>>wasn't looking?
>
>I suggest referring to wikipedia but the answer to your question is yes.
>
I'm looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial and nothing's
leapt out at me as offensive. I quite like "a one-man funeral doom metal
band from Minnesota". Even following "All pages with titles containing
Celestial" didn't throw anything up.

Maybe I'll Google ... nothing obvious in - I was going to say the first
page, but I see Google have adopted the never-bottoming page philosophy
I hate (one of the many reasons I avoid Facebook).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

What has happened since 1979, I suspect, is that the spotting of mistakes has
become entirely associated with mean-spiritedness, snobbishness and
judgementalism. But...can be...funny and interesting.
Lynn Truss, RT 2015/2/21-27

On 1.2.24 09:58, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <8wydnXIBG7u4fSf4nZ2dnZfqn_YAAAAA@brightview.co.uk> at Thu, 1
> Feb 2024 00:04:52, kosmo <kosmo@whitnet.uk> writes
>> On 31.1.24 12:40, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> Is it one of those words that has gained another meaning when I
>>> wasn't  looking?
>>
>> I suggest referring to wikipedia but the answer to your question is yes.
>>
> I'm looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial and nothing's
> leapt out at me as offensive. I quite like "a one-man funeral doom metal
> band from Minnesota". Even following "All pages with titles containing
> Celestial" didn't throw anything up.
>
> Maybe I'll Google ... nothing obvious in - I was going to say the first
> page, but I see Google have adopted the never-bottoming page philosophy
> I hate (one of the many reasons I avoid Facebook).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_Empire

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 31/01/2024 22:57, Nick Odell wrote:
>
> My mother often said that at RADA they taught her to project her voice
> as if she were speaking personally to two little old ladies sitting in
> the back of the stalls. "Because in Rep, on a matinee, that's probably
> all you'll be peforming for."
>

I learned to project my voice as a Flight Sergeant on the ATC Parade
Ground. It came in useful for street theatre some 50 years later:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw-_v4oTf5Y>

In message <7XGdnTn_eqgb6Sb4nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> at Thu, 1
Feb 2024 10:37:59, kosmo <kosmo@whitnet.uk> writes
>On 1.2.24 09:58, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <8wydnXIBG7u4fSf4nZ2dnZfqn_YAAAAA@brightview.co.uk> at
>>Thu, 1 Feb 2024 00:04:52, kosmo <kosmo@whitnet.uk> writes
>>> On 31.1.24 12:40, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>> Is it one of those words that has gained another meaning when I
>>>>wasn't  looking?
>>>
>>> I suggest referring to wikipedia but the answer to your question is yes.
>>>
>> I'm looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial and nothing's
>>leapt out at me as offensive. I quite like "a one-man funeral doom
[]
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_Empire
>
Wow, I had to read quite carefully into that - it's apparently come back
into use as meaning China, actually proudly or disdainfully depending on
context. Some people must be _very_ sensitive if they object to a
character in Doctor Who being called the Celestial Toymaker!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

as St Augustine says, feeling resentment is like drinking poison and waiting
for the other person to die. Ed Stourton, in RT 2023/1/21-27

On 01/02/2024 14:02, BrritSki wrote:
> On 31/01/2024 22:57, Nick Odell wrote:
>>
>> My mother often said that at RADA they taught her to project her voice
>> as if she were speaking personally to two little old ladies sitting in
>> the back of the stalls. "Because in Rep, on a matinee, that's probably
>> all you'll be peforming for."
>>
>
> I learned to project my voice as a Flight Sergeant on the ATC Parade
> Ground. It came in useful for street theatre some 50 years later:
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw-_v4oTf5Y>
>
>
In the early 17th Century the Ligurian Coast was subject to frequent
attacks from the Saracens. The villagers in Taggia saw the ships
approaching one day so the priest, Father Benedict, had the idea to
light fires in the squares and streets of the village to make the
pirates believe that it had already been sacked. And it worked: from the
sea the city appeared to them in flames and they left. Every February
12th Taggia remembers this event.

On the middle weekend fires are lit again, circles of logs are built and
filled with olive tree cuttings and ignited even in the narrow alleyways
- it would never be allowed to happen in the UK. Homemade fireworks are
also deployed "i furgari" that are as big as your arm and fire huge jets
of flame. <https://youtu.be/X5mY_3imZGU>

On the last weekend of the February there is a procession on the Sunday
afternoon of villagers in 17C costume and in the morning the different
rione (hamlets) stage a play about some aspect of life at the time of
the saint. Each play is about 15 minutes long and is repeated several
times - 8 was the most for me - in the streets. Marks are awarded for
the script and acting and the authenticity - no modern haircuts or
jewellery allowed !

I first got involved in 2008 when Gianna, an Aussie-Italian friend in
the village asked if I could take the place of someone who had dropped
out to play the part of Lord Barry, a courtier come to buy the local
wine. I went for an addition and learned afterwards that Umberto, the
director, hugged and kissed Gianna after I looked down my nose and
recited "King Charles LOVES moscatello wine. It is ALWAYS on his table"
and said I was perfect for the role of a fat, pompous Englishman. It was
great fun, especially the bit where I dropped grapes down the
winemaker's wife's cleavage. I just had to stroll about with a beautiful
young lady on my arm and had 2 short lines. The only long speech I had
was read from a scroll, so nothing to remember and all in English.

The next year I was asked back and waife took part too. We went to the
first read through and just had minor roles and only a couple of words
to say when we saw the pirate ships "I turchi, i turchi !" The whole
room fell about laughing at my terrible pronunciation and at least 10
minutes of every rehearsal was spent trying to get me to say that u
properly. LOL Unfortunately that year it drizzled all morning and poor
Vib spent most of the play hiding under a sheet which got soggier and
soggier as the day went on and swore never again.

More plays followed, usually with small parts, but one where I played
the ghost of Hamlet's father - I really put the Ham in that (video
available if you are interested). Then came this play set during the
Battle of Bajardo during the struggle between the Duchy of Savoy and the
Republic of Genoa.

My dreadful accent was excused by my being an English sailor who had
fought with Frobisher and Drake and was now a PTSD suffering village
drunk. More type-casting ! There were a lot of laughs in the audience
from my mangling of the more difficult words that I think Umberto had
put in the script deliberately for me.

The most interesting play we did though was a version of A Midsummer
Night's Dream, part in Italian and part in English. As the only native
English speaking man I had the roles of both Bottom and Oberon, and Vib
was Helen. Luckily it was a cutdown text and we had scripts for most of
it so not too difficult to remember and great fun again. It was set in
the garden of the wonderfully atmospheric Bicknell Museum in Sanremo
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicknell_Museum#/media/File:Museo_Bicknell_facciata.jpg>

I also had the pleasure of performing with my granddaughter who played
Cobwed, but was a bit overwhelmed by the occasion at 3yo and did much
better at one of the San Benedetto plays a year later. It's a real shame
we have no video of MSND but I do have a video of that last performance
with her which will be worth a fortune when she's a famous performer.