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by: jeremy - Mon, 22 Apr 2024 18:01 UTC

On 22 Apr 2024 at 14:47:35 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 22 Apr 2024 at 12:55:47 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In original post I laid out the extent of what I want to be able to run -
>> adding to that also Parallels so I can run Windows 11 - reasonable within 16gb
>> RAM?
>
> Yes, no trouble on my M1/16gig. I was using win10/11 ARM release (comes
> with its own 'rosetta' like ability to run Windows/Intel apps).
>
So I would need the ARM version of Win11 - do you know where I would find that
/ the format of the download? I am well aware I need to purchase licence key
to activate. The only references I have found have been to an "insider
version".

Just had a look and it appears that Parallels itself has a link within it for
locating & downloading the Win11 for ARM - just want to make sure this isn't
some esoteric software config I'm shooting for!

Oh and while I've got you Jamie, any recommendations for a "hub" so that I can
connect a new Air to an HDMI-cabled monitor?

thx!

--
jeremy

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by: Alan B - Mon, 22 Apr 2024 18:21 UTC

On 2024-04-22, jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 22 Apr 2024 at 14:47:35 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
><jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>
>> On 22 Apr 2024 at 12:55:47 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In original post I laid out the extent of what I want to be able to run -
>>> adding to that also Parallels so I can run Windows 11 - reasonable within 16gb
>>> RAM?
>>
>> Yes, no trouble on my M1/16gig. I was using win10/11 ARM release (comes
>> with its own 'rosetta' like ability to run Windows/Intel apps).
>>
> So I would need the ARM version of Win11 - do you know where I would find that
> / the format of the download? I am well aware I need to purchase licence key
> to activate. The only references I have found have been to an "insider
> version".
>
> Just had a look and it appears that Parallels itself has a link within it for
> locating & downloading the Win11 for ARM - just want to make sure this isn't
> some esoteric software config I'm shooting for!

I used CrystalFetch to obtain a suitable W11 ARM iso which I then used with
VMware on my M1 MBP.

<https://github.com/TuringSoftware/CrystalFetch>

--
Cheers, Alan

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by: Jaimie Vandenbergh - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 11:24 UTC

On 22 Apr 2024 at 19:01:13 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 22 Apr 2024 at 14:47:35 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>
>> On 22 Apr 2024 at 12:55:47 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In original post I laid out the extent of what I want to be able to run -
>>> adding to that also Parallels so I can run Windows 11 - reasonable within 16gb
>>> RAM?
>>
>> Yes, no trouble on my M1/16gig. I was using win10/11 ARM release (comes
>> with its own 'rosetta' like ability to run Windows/Intel apps).
>>
> So I would need the ARM version of Win11 - do you know where I would find that
> / the format of the download? I am well aware I need to purchase licence key
> to activate. The only references I have found have been to an "insider
> version".
>
> Just had a look and it appears that Parallels itself has a link within it for
> locating & downloading the Win11 for ARM - just want to make sure this isn't
> some esoteric software config I'm shooting for!

Yeah, that's the one. You might need an "insider" flag on a Microsoft
account, I forget what it's up to these days. I had one for a year or
so, then deleted it due to complete lack of use.

> Oh and while I've got you Jamie, any recommendations for a "hub" so that I can
> connect a new Air to an HDMI-cabled monitor?

USB-C to HDMI cable?
Otherwise any old USB-C hub with enough HDMI ability in it to suit your
monitor's res. They're all the same cheap chip nowadays.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"The dumbest people I know are those who know it all."
-- Malcolm Forbes

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by: jeremy - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 12:18 UTC

On 23 Apr 2024 at 12:24:02 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 22 Apr 2024 at 19:01:13 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 22 Apr 2024 at 14:47:35 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
>> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 22 Apr 2024 at 12:55:47 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In original post I laid out the extent of what I want to be able to run -
>>>> adding to that also Parallels so I can run Windows 11 - reasonable within 16gb
>>>> RAM?
>>>
>>> Yes, no trouble on my M1/16gig. I was using win10/11 ARM release (comes
>>> with its own 'rosetta' like ability to run Windows/Intel apps).
>>>
>> So I would need the ARM version of Win11 - do you know where I would find that
>> / the format of the download? I am well aware I need to purchase licence key
>> to activate. The only references I have found have been to an "insider
>> version".
>>
>> Just had a look and it appears that Parallels itself has a link within it for
>> locating & downloading the Win11 for ARM - just want to make sure this isn't
>> some esoteric software config I'm shooting for!
>
> Yeah, that's the one. You might need an "insider" flag on a Microsoft
> account, I forget what it's up to these days. I had one for a year or
> so, then deleted it due to complete lack of use.
>

Got to "the inside" but cannot find a W11 ISO download for ARM - only this at
present:

"With Windows 11 on Arm Insider Preview builds, you can create 64-bit Arm
(Arm64) VMs in Hyper-V on Windows 11 Arm-based PCs. "

I'm assuming that this is what I would need to be able to run under Parallels?
It talks of downloading a VHDX file and then creating a Hyper-V VM.

Isn't W11 generally available for ARM? Appreciate this very specific question
is being posted in what may not be the most appropriate group :)

--
jeremy

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by: Jaimie Vandenbergh - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 13:25 UTC

On 23 Apr 2024 at 13:18:14 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 23 Apr 2024 at 12:24:02 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>
>> On 22 Apr 2024 at 19:01:13 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 22 Apr 2024 at 14:47:35 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
>>> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 22 Apr 2024 at 12:55:47 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In original post I laid out the extent of what I want to be able to run -
>>>>> adding to that also Parallels so I can run Windows 11 - reasonable within 16gb
>>>>> RAM?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, no trouble on my M1/16gig. I was using win10/11 ARM release (comes
>>>> with its own 'rosetta' like ability to run Windows/Intel apps).
>>>>
>>> So I would need the ARM version of Win11 - do you know where I would find that
>>> / the format of the download? I am well aware I need to purchase licence key
>>> to activate. The only references I have found have been to an "insider
>>> version".
>>>
>>> Just had a look and it appears that Parallels itself has a link within it for
>>> locating & downloading the Win11 for ARM - just want to make sure this isn't
>>> some esoteric software config I'm shooting for!
>>
>> Yeah, that's the one. You might need an "insider" flag on a Microsoft
>> account, I forget what it's up to these days. I had one for a year or
>> so, then deleted it due to complete lack of use.
>>
>
> Got to "the inside" but cannot find a W11 ISO download for ARM - only this at
> present:
>
> "With Windows 11 on Arm Insider Preview builds, you can create 64-bit Arm
> (Arm64) VMs in Hyper-V on Windows 11 Arm-based PCs. "
>
> I'm assuming that this is what I would need to be able to run under Parallels?
> It talks of downloading a VHDX file and then creating a Hyper-V VM.

Parallels you'd need to join insider then find the iso yes. Or use UTM?
It's there in the premade gallery for that:

https://mac.getutm.app/gallery/

> Isn't W11 generally available for ARM? Appreciate this very specific question
> is being posted in what may not be the most appropriate group :)

It's not, no - there's no general release of it. Qualcomm appear to have
an agreement with MS that they can't.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
I hope I live long enough
to vindicate my pessimism
-- http://www.boasas.com/?c=1108

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by: Theo - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 13:44 UTC

Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> On 23 Apr 2024 at 13:18:14 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Isn't W11 generally available for ARM? Appreciate this very specific question
> > is being posted in what may not be the most appropriate group :)
>
> It's not, no - there's no general release of it. Qualcomm appear to have
> an agreement with MS that they can't.

There are release *versions* (eg 23H2) but they're not publically
*released*. You have to get them from the Windows Update servers using a
tool like CrystalFetch.

eg https://uupdump.net/known.php?q=category:w11-23h2

(that website makes you a script to build the ISO on Win/Mac/Linux, but it
seems that Arm ISOs need a real Windows system to build. Seems like
CrystalFetch handles it for you on a Mac)

Theo

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by: jeremy - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:40 UTC

On 23 Apr 2024 at 14:25:32 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 23 Apr 2024 at 13:18:14 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 23 Apr 2024 at 12:24:02 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
>> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 22 Apr 2024 at 19:01:13 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 22 Apr 2024 at 14:47:35 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
>>>> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 22 Apr 2024 at 12:55:47 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In original post I laid out the extent of what I want to be able to run -
>>>>>> adding to that also Parallels so I can run Windows 11 - reasonable within 16gb
>>>>>> RAM?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, no trouble on my M1/16gig. I was using win10/11 ARM release (comes
>>>>> with its own 'rosetta' like ability to run Windows/Intel apps).
>>>>>
>>>> So I would need the ARM version of Win11 - do you know where I would find that
>>>> / the format of the download? I am well aware I need to purchase licence key
>>>> to activate. The only references I have found have been to an "insider
>>>> version".
>>>>
>>>> Just had a look and it appears that Parallels itself has a link within it for
>>>> locating & downloading the Win11 for ARM - just want to make sure this isn't
>>>> some esoteric software config I'm shooting for!
>>>
>>> Yeah, that's the one. You might need an "insider" flag on a Microsoft
>>> account, I forget what it's up to these days. I had one for a year or
>>> so, then deleted it due to complete lack of use.
>>>
>>
>> Got to "the inside" but cannot find a W11 ISO download for ARM - only this at
>> present:
>>
>> "With Windows 11 on Arm Insider Preview builds, you can create 64-bit Arm
>> (Arm64) VMs in Hyper-V on Windows 11 Arm-based PCs. "
>>
>> I'm assuming that this is what I would need to be able to run under Parallels?
>> It talks of downloading a VHDX file and then creating a Hyper-V VM.
>
> Parallels you'd need to join insider then find the iso yes. Or use UTM?
> It's there in the premade gallery for that:
>
> https://mac.getutm.app/gallery/
>
>> Isn't W11 generally available for ARM? Appreciate this very specific question
>> is being posted in what may not be the most appropriate group :)
>
> It's not, no - there's no general release of it. Qualcomm appear to have
> an agreement with MS that they can't.
>

Thanks Jaimie, really helpful :)

--
jeremy

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by: jeremy - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:40 UTC

On 23 Apr 2024 at 14:44:00 BST, "Theo" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
wrote:

> Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>> On 23 Apr 2024 at 13:18:14 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't W11 generally available for ARM? Appreciate this very specific question
>>> is being posted in what may not be the most appropriate group :)
>>
>> It's not, no - there's no general release of it. Qualcomm appear to have
>> an agreement with MS that they can't.
>
> There are release *versions* (eg 23H2) but they're not publically
> *released*. You have to get them from the Windows Update servers using a
> tool like CrystalFetch.
>
> eg https://uupdump.net/known.php?q=category:w11-23h2
>
> (that website makes you a script to build the ISO on Win/Mac/Linux, but it
> seems that Arm ISOs need a real Windows system to build. Seems like
> CrystalFetch handles it for you on a Mac)
>

And thanks also to you Theo - input much appreciated.

Now to go and buy my Air...

--
jeremy

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by: Alan B - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:02 UTC

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>> On 23 Apr 2024 at 13:18:14 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't W11 generally available for ARM? Appreciate this very specific question
>>> is being posted in what may not be the most appropriate group :)
>>
>> It's not, no - there's no general release of it. Qualcomm appear to have
>> an agreement with MS that they can't.
>
> There are release *versions* (eg 23H2) but they're not publically
> *released*. You have to get them from the Windows Update servers using a
> tool like CrystalFetch.
>
> eg https://uupdump.net/known.php?q=category:w11-23h2
>
> (that website makes you a script to build the ISO on Win/Mac/Linux, but it
> seems that Arm ISOs need a real Windows system to build. Seems like
> CrystalFetch handles it for you on a Mac)

Yes I’ve used CF a few times and the ISO’s have all been fine.

--
Cheers, Alan

La-dee-dee, la-dee-dah.

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aus+uk / uk.comp.sys.mac / Re: Bit of advice - what to buy

Subject	Author
Bit of advice - what to buy	jeremy
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Tyrone
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Bruce Horrocks
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Tyrone
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	jeremy
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Tyrone
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Alan B
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Alan B
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Bruce Horrocks
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Alan B
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Jaimie Vandenbergh
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Bruce Horrocks
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	jeremy
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Jaimie Vandenbergh
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	jeremy
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Tyrone
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	jeremy
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	RJH
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	jeremy
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	jeremy
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Jaimie Vandenbergh
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	jeremy
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Alan B
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Jaimie Vandenbergh
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	jeremy
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Jaimie Vandenbergh
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Theo
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	jeremy
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Alan B
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	jeremy
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Alan B
Re: Bit of advice - what to buy	Alan B