Older (!) brother has a 2001 R1150GS, which has been sitting for
a while. When it came time to load it into the trailer while moving
house, it displayed a remarkable lack of braking, which is to say none.
The lever does get slightly firmer after repeated pumping, so I'm
pretty sure it's got air in the lines, somehow.

This is pre-"EVO" assisted brakes, but it does have ABS, I believe it
is the "ABSII" system. His Clymer manual is rather detailed on all
brake maintenance and repair procedures, but consistently declares
that the _only_ way to bleed the system is to bring it to a BMW
dealer, where they will hook it up to their computer and a power
bleeding system.

I spoke to sleazy, late of reeky and sometimes UKRM, who I knew had
owned one of these (2001), and he said he didn't know of any other
way to properly bleed the system without hooking up to a BMW main
dealer's computer, to allow the ABS system to be flushed through of
all air and old fluid.

Is there any chance of an aftermarket tool to allow me to do what
the BMW computer does? Sleazy mentioned something called GS-911.

Aha.
https://www.beemershop.com/category/gs-911-diagnostic-tool-2926.html

A bit rich at $400, plus a cable, but brother isn't getting any younger
and all the local shops will be absolutely rammed with people wanting
their bikes sorted, plus if I do the job for him he won't be paying
the shop, so.

If anyone knows anything about the subject, I'm mostly ears.

I'm a bit spoiled because the FJR's ABS can be put into its bleeding
mode with a simple jumper wire and a bit of fiddling with the clocks.
Which I haven't done for probably going on 10 years now...

Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote in news:uvk41u$g2ha$1@dont-email.me:

> Older (!) brother has a 2001 R1150GS, which has been sitting for
> a while. When it came time to load it into the trailer while moving
> house, it displayed a remarkable lack of braking, which is to say none.
> The lever does get slightly firmer after repeated pumping, so I'm
> pretty sure it's got air in the lines, somehow.
>
> This is pre-"EVO" assisted brakes, but it does have ABS, I believe it
> is the "ABSII" system. His Clymer manual is rather detailed on all
> brake maintenance and repair procedures, but consistently declares
> that the _only_ way to bleed the system is to bring it to a BMW
> dealer, where they will hook it up to their computer and a power
> bleeding system.
>
> I spoke to sleazy, late of reeky and sometimes UKRM, who I knew had
> owned one of these (2001), and he said he didn't know of any other
> way to properly bleed the system without hooking up to a BMW main
> dealer's computer, to allow the ABS system to be flushed through of
> all air and old fluid.
>
> Is there any chance of an aftermarket tool to allow me to do what
> the BMW computer does? Sleazy mentioned something called GS-911.
>

these are handy devices. I had one for my 2000 R1150GS for reading and
clearing fault codes. You can actuate the ABS solenoid which cleared
a fault. I assume it got a bit sticky and a bit of physiotherapy sorted
it. There is no servo pump to flush the fluid on this model like the
post 2003 bikes.

see this post, same system
https://www.ukgser.com/community/threads/brake-fluid-flush-1999-bmw-r1100rt-non-servo.289205/#post-4254882

there are bleed nipples on the ABS unit so you need to bleed there
first, then at the calipers. A Mityvac helps.

If you run into other problems, search that section of the forum for
hints. You can do that withoiut a login. That section is not behind
the paywall, so if needed, create an account and raise a query

wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
> Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote in news:uvk41u$g2ha$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> Older (!) brother has a 2001 R1150GS, which has been sitting for
>> house, it displayed a remarkable lack of braking, which is to say none.
>> The lever does get slightly firmer after repeated pumping, so I'm
>> pretty sure it's got air in the lines, somehow.

>> Is there any chance of an aftermarket tool to allow me to do what
>> the BMW computer does? Sleazy mentioned something called GS-911.

> these are handy devices. I had one for my 2000 R1150GS for reading and
> clearing fault codes. You can actuate the ABS solenoid which cleared
> a fault. I assume it got a bit sticky and a bit of physiotherapy sorted
> it. There is no servo pump to flush the fluid on this model like the
> post 2003 bikes.
>
> see this post, same system
> https://www.ukgser.com/community/threads/brake-fluid-flush-1999-bmw-r1100rt-non-servo.289205/#post-4254882
>
> there are bleed nipples on the ABS unit so you need to bleed there
> first, then at the calipers. A Mityvac helps.
>
> If you run into other problems, search that section of the forum for
> hints. You can do that withoiut a login. That section is not behind
> the paywall, so if needed, create an account and raise a query

Wow, this is great info. You're a star.

I've got a Mityvac and I'm not afraid to use it. I will check out
UKGSER.

So, to be clear, is it your understanding that just bleeding the ABS
nipples first, then doing the front and rear calipers will be good
enough, or will I need to actuate the ABS solenoid as part of the
bleeding process?

This guy, "The Old Mechanic":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vLA64JSk8s

seems to like the Motoscan app, and I already have one of the expensive
OBD-II adapters known to work with it.

OBDLink MX+, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JFRFJG6

I'm not sure if the Motoscan app would actuate the ABS solenoid or
not. But if I don't need to do that as part of the bleeding process,
then I suppose I won't need that capability anyway.

Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote in
news:uvk70k$gmnu$1@dont-email.me:

> wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>> Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote in
>> news:uvk41u$g2ha$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> Older (!) brother has a 2001 R1150GS, which has been sitting for
>>> house, it displayed a remarkable lack of braking, which is to say
>>> none. The lever does get slightly firmer after repeated pumping, so
>>> I'm pretty sure it's got air in the lines, somehow.
>
>>> Is there any chance of an aftermarket tool to allow me to do what
>>> the BMW computer does? Sleazy mentioned something called GS-911.
>
>> these are handy devices. I had one for my 2000 R1150GS for reading
>> and clearing fault codes. You can actuate the ABS solenoid which
>> cleared a fault. I assume it got a bit sticky and a bit of
>> physiotherapy sorted it. There is no servo pump to flush the fluid on
>> this model like the post 2003 bikes.
>>
>> see this post, same system
>> https://www.ukgser.com/community/threads/brake-fluid-flush-1999-bmw-
r1
>> 100rt-non-servo.289205/#post-4254882
>>
>> there are bleed nipples on the ABS unit so you need to bleed there
>> first, then at the calipers. A Mityvac helps.
>>
>> If you run into other problems, search that section of the forum for
>> hints. You can do that withoiut a login. That section is not behind
>> the paywall, so if needed, create an account and raise a query
>
> Wow, this is great info. You're a star.
>
> I've got a Mityvac and I'm not afraid to use it. I will check out
> UKGSER.
>
> So, to be clear, is it your understanding that just bleeding the ABS
> nipples first, then doing the front and rear calipers will be good
> enough, or will I need to actuate the ABS solenoid as part of the
> bleeding process?
>
no, you do not need to energise the solenoid - the system is fairly
simple, just hydraulic with the ABS release valve opened and closed by
the solenoid. Sometimes the solenoid gets stuck[1] so using the
diagnostic mode frees it.

> This guy, "The Old Mechanic":
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vLA64JSk8s
>
> seems to like the Motoscan app, and I already have one of the
> expensive OBD-II adapters known to work with it.
>
> OBDLink MX+, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JFRFJG6
>
> I'm not sure if the Motoscan app would actuate the ABS solenoid or
> not. But if I don't need to do that as part of the bleeding process,
> then I suppose I won't need that capability anyway.
>
>

UKGSer will advise re the motoscan - BMW bikes before 2017 used a round
ODB connector but there are adapters available
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Round-Diagnosis-Adapter-Scanner-
Connector/dp/B07DW6F6HM

[1] it is cycled when the bike is powered up. If the battery voltage is
low, it can fail the self test as it gets stuck in a liminal state,
neither open or closed. It usually self clears once the battery is
charged but not always.

wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>> I'm not sure if the Motoscan app would actuate the ABS solenoid or
>> not. But if I don't need to do that as part of the bleeding process,
>> then I suppose I won't need that capability anyway.

> UKGSer will advise re the motoscan - BMW bikes before 2017 used a round
> ODB connector but there are adapters available
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Round-Diagnosis-Adapter-Scanner-Connector/dp/B07DW6F6HM

That one appears to be a 20 pin version, but if I am not mistaken,
the 2001 R1150GS has a 10 pin connector like this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Exctool-Diagnostic-Compatible-Motorcycles-Connector/dp/B09VPD5756

"OBD2 Diagnostic Adapter Compatible with BMW Motorcycles Year 1996
to 2016 Round 10 Pin Connector to 16 Pin OBD II Female Cable"

> [1] it is cycled when the bike is powered up. If the battery voltage is
> low, it can fail the self test as it gets stuck in a liminal state,
> neither open or closed. It usually self clears once the battery is
> charged but not always.

Hopefully, all is well with the ABS unit and just bleeding it before
doing the calipers is all that needs doing. I'm going to have my
brother buy the OBD-2 adapter cable and the Motoscan app (we will
try the free version to see if it has the ABS solenoid actuating
capability before paying for more), but I think it will be a good
thing to have on hand regardless.

Thanks again for the pointers, I knew someone on UKRM would be au
fait with all this stuff.

On 15/04/2024 23:33, Mark Olson wrote:
> wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>>> I'm not sure if the Motoscan app would actuate the ABS solenoid or
>>> not. But if I don't need to do that as part of the bleeding process,
>>> then I suppose I won't need that capability anyway.
>
>> UKGSer will advise re the motoscan - BMW bikes before 2017 used a round
>> ODB connector but there are adapters available
>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Round-Diagnosis-Adapter-Scanner-Connector/dp/B07DW6F6HM
>
> That one appears to be a 20 pin version, but if I am not mistaken,
> the 2001 R1150GS has a 10 pin connector like this one:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Exctool-Diagnostic-Compatible-Motorcycles-Connector/dp/B09VPD5756
>
> "OBD2 Diagnostic Adapter Compatible with BMW Motorcycles Year 1996
> to 2016 Round 10 Pin Connector to 16 Pin OBD II Female Cable"
>
>> [1] it is cycled when the bike is powered up. If the battery voltage is
>> low, it can fail the self test as it gets stuck in a liminal state,
>> neither open or closed. It usually self clears once the battery is
>> charged but not always.
>
> Hopefully, all is well with the ABS unit and just bleeding it before
> doing the calipers is all that needs doing. I'm going to have my
> brother buy the OBD-2 adapter cable and the Motoscan app (we will
> try the free version to see if it has the ABS solenoid actuating
> capability before paying for more), but I think it will be a good
> thing to have on hand regardless.
>
> Thanks again for the pointers, I knew someone on UKRM would be au
> fait with all this stuff.
>

Very late to the party. I have the Motoscan app. I bought the full fat
version - I needed to program the fuel level sensor in the ZFE. ISTR
it's not a whole lot of money. It definitely actuates the AB solenoids
in my (ex Turby) 2008 R1200GS

--
/Simon

Simon Wilson <siwilson@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 15/04/2024 23:33, Mark Olson wrote:
>> wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm not sure if the Motoscan app would actuate the ABS solenoid or
>>>> not. But if I don't need to do that as part of the bleeding process,
>>>> then I suppose I won't need that capability anyway.
>>
>>> UKGSer will advise re the motoscan - BMW bikes before 2017 used a round
>>> ODB connector but there are adapters available
>>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Round-Diagnosis-Adapter-Scanner-Connector/dp/B07DW6F6HM
>>
>> That one appears to be a 20 pin version, but if I am not mistaken,
>> the 2001 R1150GS has a 10 pin connector like this one:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Exctool-Diagnostic-Compatible-Motorcycles-Connector/dp/B09VPD5756
>>
>> "OBD2 Diagnostic Adapter Compatible with BMW Motorcycles Year 1996
>> to 2016 Round 10 Pin Connector to 16 Pin OBD II Female Cable"
>>
>>> [1] it is cycled when the bike is powered up. If the battery voltage is
>>> low, it can fail the self test as it gets stuck in a liminal state,
>>> neither open or closed. It usually self clears once the battery is
>>> charged but not always.
>>
>> Hopefully, all is well with the ABS unit and just bleeding it before
>> doing the calipers is all that needs doing. I'm going to have my
>> brother buy the OBD-2 adapter cable and the Motoscan app (we will
>> try the free version to see if it has the ABS solenoid actuating
>> capability before paying for more), but I think it will be a good
>> thing to have on hand regardless.
>>
>> Thanks again for the pointers, I knew someone on UKRM would be au
>> fait with all this stuff.
>>
>
> Very late to the party. I have the Motoscan app. I bought the full fat
> version - I needed to program the fuel level sensor in the ZFE. ISTR
> it's not a whole lot of money. It definitely actuates the AB solenoids
> in my (ex Turby) 2008 R1200GS

Thanks for the data point re: Motoscan.

I downloaded the free version, and couldn't get it to work with my new
Pixel 8 phone + my OBD Link MX+ adapter (one of the 'good' ones, known
to work with the app). Very frustrating. On a hunch, I tried my other
three Pixel (2, 4a, 5a 5G) phones. Surprisingly they all worked fine.

In the end, I bought the version one step up, which allowed me to
clear codes- although I don't think any were set. Bleeding the ABS
unit with the two nipples on top, plus the calipers resulted in a
nice firm lever, so I think all is well.

I had a test ride yesterday on an R Nine T. Surprisingly small and
nimble after getting off the R1150 GS. Not that I'm thinking of buying
one, I just like to try whatever's on offer at the local BMW dealer
at their annual open house/demo day. I suppose it's their current
version of the Rockster. I guess if I were to drink the BMW kool-aid,
I MIGHT think about buying one of them. Gotta wrangle the current
garage into shape first, methinks.

Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote in
news:v16d2j$1ec7p$1@dont-email.me:

> I had a test ride yesterday on an R Nine T. Surprisingly small and
> nimble after getting off the R1150 GS. Not that I'm thinking of buying
> one, I just like to try whatever's on offer at the local BMW dealer
> at their annual open house/demo day. I suppose it's their current
> version of the Rockster. I guess if I were to drink the BMW kool-aid,
> I MIGHT think about buying one of them. Gotta wrangle the current
> garage into shape first, methinks.
>
>

I went into the BMW shop in Sept 2016 to try out a R9T but found the
ergonomics horrible. Far too cramped. I then sat on the R1200RS and was
smitten. A discount as it was a Euro 3 bike that had to be registered in
2016 clinched the deal. Still have it now.

On 5/4/2024 4:04 PM, wessie wrote:
> Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote in
> news:v16d2j$1ec7p$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> I had a test ride yesterday on an R Nine T. Surprisingly small and
>> nimble after getting off the R1150 GS. Not that I'm thinking of buying
>> one, I just like to try whatever's on offer at the local BMW dealer
>> at their annual open house/demo day. I suppose it's their current
>> version of the Rockster. I guess if I were to drink the BMW kool-aid,
>> I MIGHT think about buying one of them. Gotta wrangle the current
>> garage into shape first, methinks.
>
> I went into the BMW shop in Sept 2016 to try out a R9T but found the
> ergonomics horrible. Far too cramped. I then sat on the R1200RS and was
> smitten. A discount as it was a Euro 3 bike that had to be registered in
> 2016 clinched the deal. Still have it now.

Bike ergonomics is so bizarre. The GS I had that is now Simon's was very
comfy. I spent so many hours on it. The GS I now have, which Franz, the
previous owner, took to the tip of Argentina and back, is a pain in the
butt. I'd hate to put one hour on it. I have no idea what's different
about it. I once had a Honda ST1100 I bought new. It wasn't comfy at
all. I bought a custom Corbin saddle at the factory. Awesome. I did a
BunBurner Gold on it - 1642 miles in 24 hours. And I could have done
more the next day.
The stock FJR I have now is fine. I'll keep it.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS & ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 05/05/2024 00:47, Turby wrote:
> I have no idea what's different about it.

Seat height, possibly? I swapped the (lowered) one that was on yours for
the standard one. The lowered one made my knees hurt.

--
/Simon

Simon Wilson <siwilson@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 05/05/2024 00:47, Turby wrote:
>> I have no idea what's different about it.
>
> Seat height, possibly? I swapped the (lowered) one that was on yours for
> the standard one. The lowered one made my knees hurt.

I'm a little above average height, so I prefer bigger bikes with an
upright seating position. I keep the FJR seat on the higher of its 2
positions. The BMW GS Adventure and KTM 1190 Adventure were both comfy
for me when I test rode them. My SV650S was supremely uncomfortable
after a couple of hours, but I still liked riding it.

On 5/5/2024 2:00 AM, Simon Wilson wrote:
> On 05/05/2024 00:47, Turby wrote:
>> I have no idea what's different about it.
>
> Seat height, possibly? I swapped the (lowered) one that was on yours for
> the standard one. The lowered one made my knees hurt.
>
Dunno. Considering how long my legs are, I kinda doubt it, but who knows.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS & ST1100 (in memoriam)

wessie wrote:

> I went into the BMW shop in Sept 2016 to try out a R9T but found the
> ergonomics horrible. Far too cramped. I then sat on the R1200RS and was
> smitten. A discount as it was a Euro 3 bike that had to be registered in
> 2016 clinched the deal. Still have it now.

I did a bit of 'research' when I was looking for a new (to me) touring bike
in 2021. As far as I could see the last of the oil-head BMWs would give me
all I wanted; so I looked for a 2010-12 R1200RT. I found a 2012 with 22k miles.
Barely ran in really, fairly good service book. Frankly it's been great.

Ergonomics are good once moving (although it is about 50mm higher than I'd like)
the engine is great; certainly not fast but it is 'devastatingly quick'[1] brakes
are good and the weight drops away when you move (while it's bigger than the
R1100RT it's a fair bit lighter I think).

It's just a very good bike for getting from A to B. I've done about 20k on it
in the last three years. Still enjoy every time I ride it. Not sure why I'd
replace it or what I'd replace it with really. If I could trust liquid cooled
I guess I'd look at an R1250RT but that's going to cost £6-8k to change and I'm
not sure what I get over what I have to be honest.

Think I'll stick with this for the forseeable future.

[1] Am I meant to use a TM with this?

furmity <no@email.com> wrote in
news:a6162d59e5e35f6f4e181895fdf27c9e@www.novabbs.com:

> wessie wrote:
>
>
>
>> I went into the BMW shop in Sept 2016 to try out a R9T but found the
>> ergonomics horrible. Far too cramped. I then sat on the R1200RS and
>> was smitten. A discount as it was a Euro 3 bike that had to be
>> registered in 2016 clinched the deal. Still have it now.
>
> I did a bit of 'research' when I was looking for a new (to me) touring
> bike in 2021. As far as I could see the last of the oil-head BMWs
> would give me all I wanted; so I looked for a 2010-12 R1200RT. I
> found a 2012 with 22k miles. Barely ran in really, fairly good
> service book. Frankly it's been great.
>
> Ergonomics are good once moving (although it is about 50mm higher than
> I'd like) the engine is great; certainly not fast but it is
> 'devastatingly quick'[1] brakes are good and the weight drops away
> when you move (while it's bigger than the R1100RT it's a fair bit
> lighter I think).
>
> It's just a very good bike for getting from A to B. I've done about
> 20k on it in the last three years. Still enjoy every time I ride it.
> Not sure why I'd replace it or what I'd replace it with really. If I
> could trust liquid cooled I guess I'd look at an R1250RT but that's
> going to cost £6-8k to change and I'm not sure what I get over what I
> have to be honest.
>
> Think I'll stick with this for the forseeable future.
>
>

I want to stick with my RS[0] for as long as possible but it might come
down to the impact of troublesome hip joint meaning a change is
required. I did a 120 mile loop to the coast and back on Sunday via the
Cefn Coch wind farms and Mac Loop. Lovely ride in sunshine but I was
glad to get off the bike at the coast for fish and chips. Hopefully the
hip will improve with a few more rides this month, as I have not ridden
much this year due to crap weather. I will be taking plenty of ibuprofen
to Bavaria next month.

>
> [1] Am I meant to use a TM with this?
>

he's not going to sue

[0] my 2016 LC has been very reliable and will have the cardan shaft
checked next week. If it is rusty, BMW will replace it. If it is okay,
they will replace it next year once I pass 60,000km and then again after
120,000km

wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

> I want to stick with my RS[0] for as long as possible but it might come
> down to the impact of troublesome hip joint meaning a change is
> required. I did a 120 mile loop to the coast and back on Sunday via the
> Cefn Coch wind farms and Mac Loop. Lovely ride in sunshine but I was
> glad to get off the bike at the coast for fish and chips. Hopefully the
> hip will improve with a few more rides this month, as I have not ridden
> much this year due to crap weather. I will be taking plenty of ibuprofen
> to Bavaria next month.

Erm…

“… I was glad to get off the bike at the coast for fish and chips.
Hopefully the hip will improve with a few more rides…”

Cut out the potatoes, a suspected arthritis trigger, take cod liver oil to
help the joints.

DAMHIKT….

--
Spike

Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote in
news:l9vb78Fp8uaU1@mid.individual.net:

> wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>> I want to stick with my RS[0] for as long as possible but it might
>> come down to the impact of troublesome hip joint meaning a change is
>> required. I did a 120 mile loop to the coast and back on Sunday via
>> the Cefn Coch wind farms and Mac Loop. Lovely ride in sunshine but I
>> was glad to get off the bike at the coast for fish and chips.
>> Hopefully the hip will improve with a few more rides this month, as I
>> have not ridden much this year due to crap weather. I will be taking
>> plenty of ibuprofen to Bavaria next month.
>
> Erm…
>
> “… I was glad to get off the bike at the coast for fish and chips.
> Hopefully the hip will improve with a few more rides…”
>
> Cut out the potatoes, a suspected arthritis trigger, take cod liver
> oil to help the joints.
>
> DAMHIKT….
>
>

you have given this lecture previously

I take a fish oil capsule every day. No idea what species but claims higher
EPA & DHA than cod.

I'm not convinced about the spuds, having "done my own research" and I am
not giving up the nightshade family as that would mean no spuds, toms,
peppers or aubergine.

The solanine claim is just that, a claim not hard evidence. On the other
hand, their other nutrients such as antioxidants, minerals and vitamins are
all established as important to a balanced diet.

wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
> Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote in
> news:l9vb78Fp8uaU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to stick with my RS[0] for as long as possible but it might
>>> come down to the impact of troublesome hip joint meaning a change is
>>> required. I did a 120 mile loop to the coast and back on Sunday via
>>> the Cefn Coch wind farms and Mac Loop. Lovely ride in sunshine but I
>>> was glad to get off the bike at the coast for fish and chips.
>>> Hopefully the hip will improve with a few more rides this month, as I
>>> have not ridden much this year due to crap weather. I will be taking
>>> plenty of ibuprofen to Bavaria next month.
>>
>> Erm…
>>
>> “… I was glad to get off the bike at the coast for fish and chips.
>> Hopefully the hip will improve with a few more rides…”
>>
>> Cut out the potatoes, a suspected arthritis trigger, take cod liver
>> oil to help the joints.
>>
>> DAMHIKT….
>>
>>
>
> you have given this lecture previously
>
> I take a fish oil capsule every day. No idea what species but claims higher
> EPA & DHA than cod.
>
> I'm not convinced about the spuds, having "done my own research" and I am
> not giving up the nightshade family as that would mean no spuds, toms,
> peppers or aubergine.
>
> The solanine claim is just that, a claim not hard evidence. On the other
> hand, their other nutrients such as antioxidants, minerals and vitamins are
> all established as important to a balanced diet.

What’s important is not what the general consensus is, but whether a
particular diet works *for* *you*. There’s only one way to find out…if it
works, you have a choice as to whether to carry on or not. If it doesn’t,
you’ve been put through a minor inconvenience.

I have arthritis in my back, hips, knees, jaw, and my right thumb. I’ve
found what foods to avoid, and what supplements to take. I *never* take
analgesics. I have pretty good movement in my joints. Those are prizes
worth having, IMO. But, each to his own.

--
Spike

On Tue, 7 May 2024 12:59:12 +0000, furmity <no@email.com> wrote:

>but it is 'devastatingly quick'[1] brakes ...

>[1] Am I meant to use a TM with this?

Out of copyright now the original author has, er, moved on
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

Champ wrote:
> On Tue, 7 May 2024 12:59:12 +0000, furmity <no@email.com> wrote:
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>> but it is 'devastatingly quick'[1] brakes ...
>
>> [1] Am I meant to use a TM with this?
>
> Out of copyright now the original author has, er, moved on

Copyright expires 70 years after the author's death,
but you wouldn't be able to assert copyright over this example since
'There is no copyright in a name, title, slogan or phrase'.

You wouldn't (shouldn't) be able to get a trademark for 'descriptive
words or phrases' either.

On 07/05/2024 21:08, wessie wrote:
>Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote in
>news:l9vb78Fp8uaU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> Cut out the potatoes, a suspected arthritis trigger, take cod liver
>> oil to help the joints.
>>
>> DAMHIKT���.
>>
>>
>
>you have given this lecture previously
>
>I take a fish oil capsule every day. No idea what species but claims higher
>EPA & DHA than cod.
>
>I'm not convinced about the spuds, having "done my own research" and I am
>not giving up the nightshade family as that would mean no spuds, toms,
>peppers or aubergine.
>
>The solanine claim is just that, a claim not hard evidence. On the other
>hand, their other nutrients such as antioxidants, minerals and vitamins are
>all established as important to a balanced diet.

And anyway.......
I couldn't face a life without chips. :-)

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Geoff
NTV 650