It occurs to me that, in case I forget how it all works, or to
help anybody else who might have to dive in and sort it out, that
a record of the interconnected knitting between my Hi-Fi, TV
(plus PVR, DVD player, soundbar...) and computers might be really
useful.

Conceptually, representations of the connectors on the component
units, possibly scans from manuals, need to be joined by lines
representing the wiring. Ideally these would maintain their
linkage when adjusted for layout purposes as the picture
develops.

What software would be best to use for this?

I have considerable experience of producing both circuit and
wiring diagrams, back in my working days, but they were all in
pencil on drawing film. Yes, I am that old! :-(

Chris
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chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 13:50:48 +0100
Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:

> It occurs to me that, in case I forget how it all works, or to
> help anybody else who might have to dive in and sort it out, that
> a record of the interconnected knitting between my Hi-Fi, TV
> (plus PVR, DVD player, soundbar...) and computers might be really
> useful.
>
> Conceptually, representations of the connectors on the component
> units, possibly scans from manuals, need to be joined by lines
> representing the wiring. Ideally these would maintain their
> linkage when adjusted for layout purposes as the picture
> develops.
>
> What software would be best to use for this?
>
> I have considerable experience of producing both circuit and
> wiring diagrams, back in my working days, but they were all in
> pencil on drawing film. Yes, I am that old! :-(
>
> Chris

I have just created a wiring diagram for my old car, using the original
as a base, but modifying it to reflect numerous changes over the years.
I used LibreOffice Draw. It doesn't make the interconnects follow any
movements, but I offer this as my solution. I'm sure there are better
programmes out there, and I will watch this thread with interest.

--
Davey.

Davey wrote:

> I used LibreOffice Draw. It doesn't make the interconnects follow any
> movements
It certainly does allow connections be "elastic" between their
connecting points

On 12/10/2023 in message <76qfiil8svdn0lmm1r5r4hbqslnkcj9eo2@4ax.com>
Chris J Dixon wrote:

>What software would be best to use for this?

I did the same for the kit that taps into my HDMI feed, I used Paint (or
Paint.net) and saved it as a png.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
That's an amazing invention but who would ever want to use one of them?
(President Hayes speaking to Alexander Graham Bell on the invention of the
telephone)

Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> It occurs to me that, in case I forget how it all works, or to
> help anybody else who might have to dive in and sort it out, that
> a record of the interconnected knitting between my Hi-Fi, TV
> (plus PVR, DVD player, soundbar...) and computers might be really
> useful.
>
> Conceptually, representations of the connectors on the component
> units, possibly scans from manuals, need to be joined by lines
> representing the wiring. Ideally these would maintain their
> linkage when adjusted for layout purposes as the picture
> develops.
>
> What software would be best to use for this?
>
> I have considerable experience of producing both circuit and
> wiring diagrams, back in my working days, but they were all in
> pencil on drawing film. Yes, I am that old! :-(
>
After quite a few years using Dia, Visio and specialised schematic
drawing programs like gschem (part of Geda) I found drawio (web site,
draw.io) and find it excellent for circuit diagrams.

You can use it 'on the web' or you can download a standalone version
to run on your computer.

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·

On 12/10/2023 13:50, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> It occurs to me that, in case I forget how it all works, or to
> help anybody else who might have to dive in and sort it out, that
> a record of the interconnected knitting between my Hi-Fi, TV
> (plus PVR, DVD player, soundbar...) and computers might be really
> useful.
>
> Conceptually, representations of the connectors on the component
> units, possibly scans from manuals, need to be joined by lines
> representing the wiring. Ideally these would maintain their
> linkage when adjusted for layout purposes as the picture
> develops.
>
> What software would be best to use for this?

Personally I use corel draw, from about 2005

The combination of freehand and the ability to snap to the right angle
and so on makes it a good balance between artistic and draughting type
drawing

>
> I have considerable experience of producing both circuit and
> wiring diagrams, back in my working days, but they were all in
> pencil on drawing film. Yes, I am that old! :-(
>
> Chris

--
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only in others...”

Tom Wolfe

On Thu 12/10/2023 14:37, Chris Green wrote:
> Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
>> It occurs to me that, in case I forget how it all works, or to
>> help anybody else who might have to dive in and sort it out, that
>> a record of the interconnected knitting between my Hi-Fi, TV
>> (plus PVR, DVD player, soundbar...) and computers might be really
>> useful.
>>
>> Conceptually, representations of the connectors on the component
>> units, possibly scans from manuals, need to be joined by lines
>> representing the wiring. Ideally these would maintain their
>> linkage when adjusted for layout purposes as the picture
>> develops.
>>
>> What software would be best to use for this?
>>
>> I have considerable experience of producing both circuit and
>> wiring diagrams, back in my working days, but they were all in
>> pencil on drawing film. Yes, I am that old! :-(
>>
> After quite a few years using Dia, Visio and specialised schematic
> drawing programs like gschem (part of Geda) I found drawio (web site,
> draw.io) and find it excellent for circuit diagrams.
>
> You can use it 'on the web' or you can download a standalone version
> to run on your computer.
>
Just had a look at dataio and I'm not sure - for example it doesn't
appear to have any electrical diagram specific items?
When you are used to it (and it doesn't take much learning) Visio is my
favourite. It has the advantage that you can buy it stand-alone as
distinct from part of Office. You may even find slightly older versions
on eBay for not much moolah.
The other prog that used to be very very good and amazingly easy to use
was Serif PagePlus. You might find a copy that you can download,
otherwise Serif now operate as Affinity and I'm not sure whether you
would need Publisher or Designer of indeed if either would suit your
purpose. Not cheap but does a very good job.

Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Thu 12/10/2023 14:37, Chris Green wrote:
> > Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> >> It occurs to me that, in case I forget how it all works, or to
> >> help anybody else who might have to dive in and sort it out, that
> >> a record of the interconnected knitting between my Hi-Fi, TV
> >> (plus PVR, DVD player, soundbar...) and computers might be really
> >> useful.
> >>
> >> Conceptually, representations of the connectors on the component
> >> units, possibly scans from manuals, need to be joined by lines
> >> representing the wiring. Ideally these would maintain their
> >> linkage when adjusted for layout purposes as the picture
> >> develops.
> >>
> >> What software would be best to use for this?
> >>
> >> I have considerable experience of producing both circuit and
> >> wiring diagrams, back in my working days, but they were all in
> >> pencil on drawing film. Yes, I am that old! :-(
> >>
> > After quite a few years using Dia, Visio and specialised schematic
> > drawing programs like gschem (part of Geda) I found drawio (web site,
> > draw.io) and find it excellent for circuit diagrams.
> >
> > You can use it 'on the web' or you can download a standalone version
> > to run on your computer.
> >
> Just had a look at dataio and I'm not sure - for example it doesn't
> appear to have any electrical diagram specific items?

It does, they take a little digging to find them.

--
Chris Green
·

On 12 Oct 2023 at 14:37:44 BST, Chris Green wrote:

> Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
>> It occurs to me that, in case I forget how it all works, or to
>> help anybody else who might have to dive in and sort it out, that
>> a record of the interconnected knitting between my Hi-Fi, TV
>> (plus PVR, DVD player, soundbar...) and computers might be really
>> useful.
>>
>> Conceptually, representations of the connectors on the component
>> units, possibly scans from manuals, need to be joined by lines
>> representing the wiring. Ideally these would maintain their
>> linkage when adjusted for layout purposes as the picture
>> develops.
>>
>> What software would be best to use for this?
>>
>> I have considerable experience of producing both circuit and
>> wiring diagrams, back in my working days, but they were all in
>> pencil on drawing film. Yes, I am that old! :-(
>>
> After quite a few years using Dia, Visio and specialised schematic
> drawing programs like gschem (part of Geda) I found drawio (web site,
> draw.io) and find it excellent for circuit diagrams.
>
> You can use it 'on the web' or you can download a standalone version
> to run on your computer.

+1 for Draw.io - I use it for garden/DIY projects - and quite quick to learn.
--
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On 12/10/2023 13:50, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> It occurs to me that, in case I forget how it all works, or to
> help anybody else who might have to dive in and sort it out, that
> a record of the interconnected knitting between my Hi-Fi, TV
> (plus PVR, DVD player, soundbar...) and computers might be really
> useful.
>
> Conceptually, representations of the connectors on the component
> units, possibly scans from manuals, need to be joined by lines
> representing the wiring. Ideally these would maintain their
> linkage when adjusted for layout purposes as the picture
> develops.
>
> What software would be best to use for this?

For electronic circuits, kiCad 6 is pretty good - does circuits, PCB
layouts, BOM, netlists, and generates Gerber files etc.

For wiring diagram stuff I tend to use Visio - these days although MS
try really hard not to sell it to you[1], you can find plenty of places
that will sell you a (possibly legit![2]) one for £20 or so. That
understands connectors and will reroute them when you move things.

[1] you can rent it as an add-on for Office 365 of course!

[2] The ones that have you download the ISO to install it somewhat less
so, than the ones that sell what MS accepts as 5x5 codes that you can
enter into a microsoft account, and add the license to your account.

So this I did in visio :

https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:CeilingRoseFusedFanConnection.png

This in the KiCad schematic editor :

https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:EnergyMonCircuitDiagram.png

Not tried it yet, but for full on 3D CAD, lots of people seem to like
Onshape:

https://www.onshape.com/en/pricing

They have a free version for hobbyists / makers

Or sketchup can still be good.

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John.

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In uk.d-i-y Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> It occurs to me that, in case I forget how it all works, or to
> help anybody else who might have to dive in and sort it out, that
> a record of the interconnected knitting between my Hi-Fi, TV
> (plus PVR, DVD player, soundbar...) and computers might be really
> useful.
>
> Conceptually, representations of the connectors on the component
> units, possibly scans from manuals, need to be joined by lines
> representing the wiring. Ideally these would maintain their
> linkage when adjusted for layout purposes as the picture
> develops.
>
> What software would be best to use for this?

For straight up vector graphics, with no semantic meaning to the lines etc,
Inkscape. Also for scale drawings and for basic 2D CAD.

For drawing circuit schematics for PCB design, Kicad.

For drawing electrical/hydraulic/pneumatic diagrams which aren't intended to
become a PCB (eg how to wire a house or a heating system), QElectrotech.

For your use case I'd probably pick QElectrotech, but it may need symbols
drawing for things like TVs, DVDs, etc, as the library it comes with is more
aimed towards industrial control systems then A/V. If adding that stuff was
too much of a big ask, I'd fall back to Inkscape.

Theo

In uk.d-i-y Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > Just had a look at dataio and I'm not sure - for example it doesn't
> > appear to have any electrical diagram specific items?
>
> It does, they take a little digging to find them.

(assuming this is draw.io)

Click on the left sidebar 'More shapes' and then scroll the list down to the
bottom and there's an Electrical tickbox.

It does seem to have a rather useful set of libraries for 'marketing' type
system diagrams - 'customer', 'server', 'internet', 'mobile', which makes it
useful as a Visio type replacement as well as for general diagramming.

Theo

Thanks for all the interesting suggestions, I am looking into
them.

I have Office 365, but not Visio, yet. I have an aged copy of
TurboCad Deluxe 19, which is fine for drawing, but unless I pay a
lot to upgrade, it can't import graphics like scans of the
various equipment back-panels, which I was hoping to be able to
use, rather than recreate.

I haven't yet fathomed if I can achieve much in Publisher or
Powerpoint.

Chris
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Why not just label the cables?
I'm not sure if you need software, you could draw it out in coloured
crayons and simply make a copy using the camera on your mobile.
I don't normally suggest inaccessible solutions, but in this situation
where only you are doing it a combination of labbled cables and coloured
lines on a hand made drawing would be fine.
Brian

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"Chris J Dixon" <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote in message
news:76qfiil8svdn0lmm1r5r4hbqslnkcj9eo2@4ax.com...
> It occurs to me that, in case I forget how it all works, or to
> help anybody else who might have to dive in and sort it out, that
> a record of the interconnected knitting between my Hi-Fi, TV
> (plus PVR, DVD player, soundbar...) and computers might be really
> useful.
>
> Conceptually, representations of the connectors on the component
> units, possibly scans from manuals, need to be joined by lines
> representing the wiring. Ideally these would maintain their
> linkage when adjusted for layout purposes as the picture
> develops.
>
> What software would be best to use for this?
>
> I have considerable experience of producing both circuit and
> wiring diagrams, back in my working days, but they were all in
> pencil on drawing film. Yes, I am that old! :-(
>
> Chris
> --
> Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
> chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
>
> Plant amazing Acers.

Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> Thanks for all the interesting suggestions, I am looking into
> them.
>
> I have Office 365, but not Visio, yet. I have an aged copy of
> TurboCad Deluxe 19, which is fine for drawing, but unless I pay a
> lot to upgrade, it can't import graphics like scans of the
> various equipment back-panels, which I was hoping to be able to
> use, rather than recreate.
>
> I haven't yet fathomed if I can achieve much in Publisher or
> Powerpoint.
>
> Chris

If you have Office 365 the vector drawing app within Word will produce
excellent 2D schematics and although the list of shapes is quite basic it
is quite easy to make up a library of ones you want to use keep them in a
Word Doc and simply copy and paste as required. If you use the grid,
elements can be made to easily align.

I produced a Breadboard drawing onto which I could easily drop components
on, aligned with the holes. When needing to do simple circuits I could
also rapidly produce diagrams using a bank of saved circuit symbols. The
other factor is that anything that can be imported into Word can be used
with the drawing program

Brian Gaff wrote:

>Why not just label the cables?

Because that really doesn't help if you are trying to understand
how it all works. It would also mean disturbing quite a lot of
cables.

> I'm not sure if you need software, you could draw it out in coloured
>crayons and simply make a copy using the camera on your mobile.
> I don't normally suggest inaccessible solutions, but in this situation
>where only you are doing it a combination of labbled cables and coloured
>lines on a hand made drawing would be fine.

The biggest problem with using paper is that when, inevitably,
you realise that something has to be moved around to help
understanding, you pretty much have to start again.

Additionally, the ability to zoom to whatever detail level helps
you to work on a particular detail can be really useful.

Chris
--
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chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

On 13/10/2023 14:55, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Brian Gaff wrote:
>
>> Why not just label the cables?
>
> Because that really doesn't help if you are trying to understand
> how it all works. It would also mean disturbing quite a lot of
> cables.
>
>> I'm not sure if you need software, you could draw it out in coloured
>> crayons and simply make a copy using the camera on your mobile.
>> I don't normally suggest inaccessible solutions, but in this situation
>> where only you are doing it a combination of labbled cables and coloured
>> lines on a hand made drawing would be fine.
>
> The biggest problem with using paper is that when, inevitably,
> you realise that something has to be moved around to help
> understanding, you pretty much have to start again.
>
I spent nay tears of my life drafting,then altering in pencil till it
all got to be a mess, then redrafting with pen and ink...including the
one time my lab was so hot that sweat kept making the ink run. The boss
said on hearing that (he was German) "so, we drink beer instead" and we did,

> Additionally, the ability to zoom to whatever detail level helps
> you to work on a particular detail can be really useful.
>
Yes. Its the editability and the lack of ink that appeals to me. Even if
it ends up a s a massive A1 PDF, you can still zoom in on (and print)
the bit you want to check.

> Chris

--
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conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 14:55:07 +0100, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
wrote:

>Brian Gaff wrote:
>
>>Why not just label the cables?
>
>Because that really doesn't help if you are trying to understand
>how it all works. It would also mean disturbing quite a lot of
>cables.
>
>> I'm not sure if you need software, you could draw it out in coloured
>>crayons and simply make a copy using the camera on your mobile.
>> I don't normally suggest inaccessible solutions, but in this situation
>>where only you are doing it a combination of labbled cables and coloured
>>lines on a hand made drawing would be fine.
>
>The biggest problem with using paper is that when, inevitably,
>you realise that something has to be moved around to help
>understanding, you pretty much have to start again.
>
>Additionally, the ability to zoom to whatever detail level helps
>you to work on a particular detail can be really useful.
>
I think there's an excellent reason to produce a sophisticated
schematic of this system and that's because you enjoy producing
elegant schematic drawings. From a practicality point of view, I'm
with Brian G. In fact, this is exactly what I did a few months ago
with a sophisticated hi-fi set-up incorporating a huge 5.1 TV and all
the usual add-ons. (Regular readers, at the mention of huge TVs will
have recognised that this was not at my home....)

We needed to move this fiendishly complicated system from one room to
another so the first exercise was to tag all the wires while the
system was in situ - A to A, B to B etc. I used home made paper tapes
and stickers but you can get professionally made tags easily enough.

In the new room, some of the components were reassembled in a
different order so the layout of the boxes wasn't really relevant: it
all came down to A to A, B to B etc.

If you are thinking about future-proofing the system well, I've two
points to make:

1-If at some point in time somebody wants to incorporate an
anti-matter dematerialiser or a quantum analyser for vinyl discs they
really need to understand the new stuff and the old stuff in depth. I
think the best thing you can do for them is to make physical
print-outs of the manuals for all the components and keep them in a
folder with the kit. Who knows if people in the future will have the
technology to access that sort of stuff in ten years time?

2-When I turn up my toes, my heirs are probably going to take my
lovingly-assembled hi-fi system...
....and chuck it in the skip.
They access their music and pictures differently these days.

Nick

Nick Odell wrote:

>I think there's an excellent reason to produce a sophisticated
>schematic of this system and that's because you enjoy producing
>elegant schematic drawings.

Nick, I can't argue with you there! ;-)

Chris
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 13:50:48 +0100, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
wrote:

>It occurs to me that, in case I forget how it all works, or to
>help anybody else who might have to dive in and sort it out, that
>a record of the interconnected knitting between my Hi-Fi, TV
>(plus PVR, DVD player, soundbar...) and computers might be really
>useful.
>
>Conceptually, representations of the connectors on the component
>units, possibly scans from manuals, need to be joined by lines
>representing the wiring. Ideally these would maintain their
>linkage when adjusted for layout purposes as the picture
>develops.
>
>What software would be best to use for this?
>
>I have considerable experience of producing both circuit and
>wiring diagrams, back in my working days, but they were all in
>pencil on drawing film. Yes, I am that old! :-(
>
>Chris

I wouldn't use a dumb drawing package. Use an actual electronic
simulator like LTSpice. That way you not only get the schematic, but
you can check its functionality and make modifications.
You can do it in multiple pages for, say, the engine compartment, the
interior and the boot.
Basically, this is electrical, so use the appropriate tool.

d

On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:37:44 +0100
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> Davey wrote:
>
> > I used LibreOffice Draw. It doesn't make the interconnects follow
> > any movements
> It certainly does allow connections be "elastic" between their
> connecting points

I didn't realise that, but I wasn't looking for it, either. I just
moved the end of the connector to its new location, and the rest of
the line followed. Unless that's what you mean anyway. Too late now!

--
Davey.

On 19/10/2023 09:05, Davey wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:37:44 +0100
> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>
>> Davey wrote:
>>
>>> I used LibreOffice Draw. It doesn't make the interconnects follow
>>> any movements
>> It certainly does allow connections be "elastic" between their
>> connecting points
>
> I didn't realise that, but I wasn't looking for it, either. I just
> moved the end of the connector to its new location, and the rest of
> the line followed. Unless that's what you mean anyway. Too late now!
>
I am so used to doing it all 'by hand' that I find all these dumbass
aids to actually get in the way...

--
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other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

- John K Galbraith

Davey wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Davey wrote:
>>
>>> I used LibreOffice Draw. It doesn't make the interconnects follow
>>> any movements
>>
> It certainly does allow connections be "elastic" between their
>> connecting points
>
> I didn't realise that, but I wasn't looking for it, either. I just
> moved the end of the connector to its new location, and the rest of
> the line followed. Unless that's what you mean anyway. Too late now!

The ends of connectors will "snap" onto glue-points on shapes, so if you
join two shapes with a connector, as you move the shapes around the
connector will stay ... erm ... connected. There's a limited amount of
"smart re-routing" for certain styles of connector, plus you can add
extra glue-points to shapes

On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 18:14:13 +0100
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> Davey wrote:
>
> > Andy Burns wrote:
> >
> >> Davey wrote:
> >>
> >>> I used LibreOffice Draw. It doesn't make the interconnects follow
> >>> any movements
> >>
> > It certainly does allow connections be "elastic" between their
> >> connecting points
> >
> > I didn't realise that, but I wasn't looking for it, either. I just
> > moved the end of the connector to its new location, and the rest of
> > the line followed. Unless that's what you mean anyway. Too late
> > now!
>
> The ends of connectors will "snap" onto glue-points on shapes, so if
> you join two shapes with a connector, as you move the shapes around
> the connector will stay ... erm ... connected. There's a limited
> amount of "smart re-routing" for certain styles of connector, plus
> you can add extra glue-points to shapes
>

Something else to look at when I have time!
Thanks.

--
Davey.

Is that not a little like overkill? I think one of my hates are those ever
so simple connection guides you get with electronics, where little pictures
of anps and the like supposedly help you, but used to mostly bamboozle me.
Videos which had a bnc on one socket a pl259 on another then phonos for the
audio etc, and of course when you wanted to connect them you always found
you needed an adaptor of some sort on one end of some cables. Now I thought
it was cracked with Scart, but no, now we have hdmi and optical connections
to cope with as well.
Brian

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"Don Pearce" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 13:50:48 +0100, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>It occurs to me that, in case I forget how it all works, or to
>>help anybody else who might have to dive in and sort it out, that
>>a record of the interconnected knitting between my Hi-Fi, TV
>>(plus PVR, DVD player, soundbar...) and computers might be really
>>useful.
>>
>>Conceptually, representations of the connectors on the component
>>units, possibly scans from manuals, need to be joined by lines
>>representing the wiring. Ideally these would maintain their
>>linkage when adjusted for layout purposes as the picture
>>develops.
>>
>>What software would be best to use for this?
>>
>>I have considerable experience of producing both circuit and
>>wiring diagrams, back in my working days, but they were all in
>>pencil on drawing film. Yes, I am that old! :-(
>>
>>Chris
>
> I wouldn't use a dumb drawing package. Use an actual electronic
> simulator like LTSpice. That way you not only get the schematic, but
> you can check its functionality and make modifications.
> You can do it in multiple pages for, say, the engine compartment, the
> interior and the boot.
> Basically, this is electrical, so use the appropriate tool.
>
> d