I'm currently connecting 79 strand cable to binding posts on the rear of
a 16-year old "vintage" surround receiver, and the wire is off-course
too thick and springy - this results in rather poor conductor grip and
also it somewhat having a stiff outer PVC jacket, causes the whole cable
to jump out at the slightest disturbance.

Thinner wire would grip better to these posts, so I'm crimping short
lengths of that as an inbetween to my 79 strand. My OCD is then challenged.

Basically, these binding posts are crap plastic, similar to this

https://www.avforums.com/threads/bent-speaker-binding-post.2433028/

- and 16 years ago mine was not such a cheap amplifier. Denon's Mid
range AVR-3808, about £1,300 then. (£50 now on eBay).

I upgrade these things every couple of years with the next greatest in a
vintage series (if they still work!), and my previous 18-year old
AVR-2807 had binding posts that also took 4mm banana plugs. Not on this
one. Grrr...

Thanks to some ECC law about exposed connectors and fingers, no doubt,
but given my choice of cable is basic cooking quality for most hifi
setups sold, why has Denon chosen such inferior connectors?

Wago should make a range of speaker terminals, I'm sure they would be
excellent...

--
Adrian C

On 19/12/2023 18:37, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
> I'm currently connecting 79 strand cable to binding posts on the rear of
> a 16-year old "vintage" surround receiver, and the wire is off-course
> too thick and springy - this results in rather poor conductor grip and
> also it somewhat having a stiff outer PVC jacket, causes the whole cable
> to jump out at the slightest disturbance.
>
> Thinner wire would grip better to these posts, so I'm crimping short
> lengths of that as an inbetween to my 79 strand. My OCD is then challenged.
>
> Basically, these binding posts are crap plastic, similar to this
>
> https://www.avforums.com/threads/bent-speaker-binding-post.2433028/
>
> - and 16 years ago mine was not such a cheap amplifier. Denon's Mid
> range AVR-3808, about £1,300 then. (£50 now on eBay).
>
> I upgrade these things every couple of years with the next greatest in a
> vintage series (if they still work!), and my previous 18-year old
> AVR-2807 had binding posts that also took 4mm banana plugs. Not on this
> one. Grrr...
>
> Thanks to some ECC law about exposed connectors and fingers, no doubt,
> but given my choice of cable is basic cooking quality for most hifi
> setups sold, why has Denon chosen such inferior connectors?
>
> Wago should make a range of speaker terminals, I'm sure they would be
> excellent...
>
That Denon's speaker terminals should take 4mm plugs. The hole is fitted
with a pull out piece of plastic (to get past some EU, I think, rules).
Of course if your cables are not 4mm plug terminated then not much help
but it is an option to look into.

Adrian Caspersz wrote:
==================
>
> .... my previous 18-year old
> AVR-2807 had binding posts that also took 4mm banana plugs. Not on this
> one. Grrr...
>
> Thanks to some ECC law about exposed connectors and fingers, no doubt,

** see last paragraph:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_connector

See first paragraph:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuko

So speaker leads using loose or ( 9mm ) paired 4mm banana plugs can be plugged into a Schuko socket with possible disastrous results.

....... Phil

Phil Allison wrote:
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** correction:

... leads using loose ( or 19mm spaced ) 4mm banana plugs can be plugged into a Schuko socket with possible disastrous results.

..... Phil