I'd been wondering whether eternal-september was feeding me everything
it should have been, and this afternoon I did find I wasn't seeing all I
should.

So, after a major reconfiguration of my box over the last couple of
days, during which I have changed my Linux distro to KDE Neon, I have
coughed up my EUR 10.00 to Freie Universität Berlin for individual.net.

If you have submitted any BTNs for my consideration that haven't been
replied to, will you let me know please.

Rosie

On 21/04/2024 18:40, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
> I'd been wondering whether eternal-september was feeding me everything
> it should have been, and this afternoon I did find I wasn't seeing all I
> should.
>
> So, after a major reconfiguration of my box over the last couple of
> days, during which I have changed my Linux distro to KDE Neon, I have
> coughed up my EUR 10.00 to Freie Universität Berlin for individual.net.
>
> If you have submitted any BTNs for my consideration that haven't been
> replied to, will you let me know please.
>
> Rosie

For the rest of us e-s'ers who might be suffering from the same malaise
could you describe the method you used to determine you were missing
posts, please.

john

On 21.4.24 19:45, john ashby wrote:
> On 21/04/2024 18:40, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>> I'd been wondering whether eternal-september was feeding me everything
>> it should have been, and this afternoon I did find I wasn't seeing all I
>> should.
>>
>> So, after a major reconfiguration of my box over the last couple of
>> days, during which I have changed my Linux distro to KDE Neon, I have
>> coughed up my EUR 10.00 to Freie Universität Berlin for individual.net.
>>
>> If you have submitted any BTNs for my consideration that haven't been
>> replied to, will you let me know please.
>>
>> Rosie
>
> For the rest of us  e-s'ers who might be suffering from the same malaise
> could you describe the method you used to determine you were missing
> posts, please.
>
> john

Yes - I have not identified any obvious missing posts using e-s.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 23:18:18 +0100, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

>On 21.4.24 19:45, john ashby wrote:
>> On 21/04/2024 18:40, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>> I'd been wondering whether eternal-september was feeding me everything
>>> it should have been, and this afternoon I did find I wasn't seeing all I
>>> should.
>>>
>>> So, after a major reconfiguration of my box over the last couple of
>>> days, during which I have changed my Linux distro to KDE Neon, I have
>>> coughed up my EUR 10.00 to Freie Universität Berlin for individual.net.
>>>
>>> If you have submitted any BTNs for my consideration that haven't been
>>> replied to, will you let me know please.
>>>
>>> Rosie
>>
>> For the rest of us  e-s'ers who might be suffering from the same malaise
>> could you describe the method you used to determine you were missing
>> posts, please.
>>
>> john
>
>Yes - I have not identified any obvious missing posts using e-s.

I think that the answer is probably that all posts turn up on Eternal
September.. ...eventually.

In the thirty minutes or so between downloading headers from all
groups and doing it again after posting something, forty-five messages
suddenly appeared on one particular group (not umra) where maybe just
twenty spread over a day would be typical.

Nick

On 21/04/2024 18:40, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
> I'd been wondering whether eternal-september was feeding me everything
> it should have been, and this afternoon I did find I wasn't seeing all I
> should.
>
> So, after a major reconfiguration of my box ...

Again ?

On 22/04/2024 16:11, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 23:18:18 +0100, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes - I have not identified any obvious missing posts using e-s.
>
> I think that the answer is probably that all posts turn up on Eternal
> September.. ...eventually.

But you might as well wait until September.

Which might seem like an eternity.

On 27/04/2024 10:43, BrritSki wrote:
> On 21/04/2024 18:40, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>> I'd been wondering whether eternal-september was feeding me everything
>> it should have been, and this afternoon I did find I wasn't seeing all I
>> should.
>>
>> So, after a major reconfiguration of my box ...
>
> Again ?

BTN!
--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes:

> On 21/04/2024 18:40, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>> I'd been wondering whether eternal-september was feeding me everything
>> it should have been, and this afternoon I did find I wasn't seeing all I
>> should.
>> So, after a major reconfiguration of my box ...
>
> Again ?

When I get bored.

Rosie

On 27/04/2024 11:41, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
> BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 21/04/2024 18:40, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>> I'd been wondering whether eternal-september was feeding me everything
>>> it should have been, and this afternoon I did find I wasn't seeing all I
>>> should.
>>> So, after a major reconfiguration of my box ...
>>
>> Again ?
>
> When I get bored.
>
And a BTN for you too :)

Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> writes:

> On 27/04/2024 10:43, BrritSki wrote:
>> On 21/04/2024 18:40, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>> I'd been wondering whether eternal-september was feeding me everything
>>> it should have been, and this afternoon I did find I wasn't seeing all I
>>> should.
>>>
>>> So, after a major reconfiguration of my box ...
>> Again ?
>
> BTN!

Of course.

Rosie

BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes:

> On 27/04/2024 11:41, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>> BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 21/04/2024 18:40, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>> I'd been wondering whether eternal-september was feeding me everything
>>>> it should have been, and this afternoon I did find I wasn't seeing all I
>>>> should.
>>>> So, after a major reconfiguration of my box ...
>>>
>>> Again ?
>> When I get bored.
>>
> And a BTN for you too :)

Much as I appreciate it, I think it would be inappropriate for the BTM
to accept.

I'll set it aside for an hon mensh.

Rosie

In message <87frv78187.fsf@milou> at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:00:08, Rosie
Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
>BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 27/04/2024 11:41, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>> BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 21/04/2024 18:40, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>> I'd been wondering whether eternal-september was feeding me everything
>>>>> it should have been, and this afternoon I did find I wasn't seeing all I
>>>>> should.
>>>>> So, after a major reconfiguration of my box ...
>>>>
>>>> Again ?

<Chuckle>! I was going to BTN, but someone beat me to it.

>>> When I get bored.
>>>
>> And a BTN for you too :)

<Roar>!
>
>Much as I appreciate it, I think it would be inappropriate for the BTM
>to accept.

Unless you were _deliberately_ using the double meaning of bored, you
were innocent; it was the addition of the BTN that drew attention to it!
>
>I'll set it aside for an hon mensh.
>
>Rosie

Yes, it definitely shouldn't go by unacknowledged.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Radio 4 is the civilising influence in this country ... I think it is the most
important institution in this country. - John Humphrys, Radio Times
7-13/06/2003

On 27/04/2024 10:53, BrritSki wrote:
> On 22/04/2024 16:11, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 23:18:18 +0100, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yes - I have not identified any obvious missing posts using e-s.
>>
>> I think that the answer is probably that all posts turn up on Eternal
>> September..      ...eventually.
>
>
> But you might as well wait until September.
>
> Which might seem like an eternity.
>
>

But the days grow short when you reach September.

john

In message <v0kru8$tqi6$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 07:56:08,
john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes
>On 27/04/2024 10:53, BrritSki wrote:
>> On 22/04/2024 16:11, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 23:18:18 +0100, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes - I have not identified any obvious missing posts using e-s.
>>>
>>> I think that the answer is probably that all posts turn up on Eternal
>>> September..      ...eventually.
>> But you might as well wait until September.
>> Which might seem like an eternity.
>>
>
>But the days grow short when you reach September.
>
>john

That (I think it was an old song) was used as the theme tune for a
gentle TV comedy series I remember with affection (IIRR played by Anton
umbrella and Zoe umbrella).

(I've just looked it up, sort of -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAnNsl5I4Fc; it was Anton Rodgers, and
Zoe was the name of the character, and the song was written for the
show, though based on September Song.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.

On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 10:24:18 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>That (I think it was an old song)

It's the Same Old Song, but with a different meaning since you've been
gone.

"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:

D> In message <v0kru8$tqi6$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 07:56:08,
> john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes
>>On 27/04/2024 10:53, BrritSki wrote:
>>> On 22/04/2024 16:11, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 23:18:18 +0100, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes - I have not identified any obvious missing posts using e-s.
>>>>
>>>> I think that the answer is probably that all posts turn up on Eternal
>>>> September..      ...eventually.
>>> But you might as well wait until September.
>>> Which might seem like an eternity.
>>>
>>
>>But the days grow short when you reach September.
>>
>>john
>
> That (I think it was an old song) was used as the theme tune for a
> gentle TV comedy series I remember with affection (IIRR played by
> Anton umbrella and Zoe umbrella).

Maxwell Anderson and Kurt Weill, for the show Knickerbocker Holiday
(1938). Everybody who has ever had any kind of aspiration to jazz
singing, including me, has had a go at it.

The alternative distraction path is via Gerry Goffin and Carole King, in
which what happens is that it finally stops raining.

Rosie

On 28-Apr-24 13:49, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>
> D> In message <v0kru8$tqi6$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 07:56:08,
>> john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes
>>> On 27/04/2024 10:53, BrritSki wrote:
>>>> On 22/04/2024 16:11, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 23:18:18 +0100, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes - I have not identified any obvious missing posts using e-s.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that the answer is probably that all posts turn up on Eternal
>>>>> September..      ...eventually.
>>>> But you might as well wait until September.
>>>> Which might seem like an eternity.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But the days grow short when you reach September.
>>>
>>> john
>>
>> That (I think it was an old song) was used as the theme tune for a
>> gentle TV comedy series I remember with affection (IIRR played by
>> Anton umbrella and Zoe umbrella).
>
> Maxwell Anderson and Kurt Weill, for the show Knickerbocker Holiday
> (1938). Everybody who has ever had any kind of aspiration to jazz
> singing, including me, has had a go at it.
>
> The alternative distraction path is via Gerry Goffin and Carole King, in
> which what happens is that it finally stops raining.

But it's raining, raining in my heart.

(Echocardiagram required to confirm the diagnosis.)

--
Sam Plusnet

In message <87bk5t8xen.fsf@milou> at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 13:49:36, Rosie
Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
>"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>
>D> In message <v0kru8$tqi6$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 07:56:08,
>> john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes
[]
>>>But the days grow short when you reach September.
>>>
>>>john
>>
>> That (I think it was an old song) was used as the theme tune for a
>> gentle TV comedy series I remember with affection (IIRR played by
>> Anton umbrella and Zoe umbrella).
>
>Maxwell Anderson and Kurt Weill, for the show Knickerbocker Holiday

(I take it words and music in that order.)

>(1938). Everybody who has ever had any kind of aspiration to jazz
>singing, including me, has had a go at it.

Hmm. The TV show theme (arranged by Mark Warman) is very gentle. I would
never have thought of it as a jazz standard. (I'm not saying jazz can't
be gentle, but.)
>
>The alternative distraction path is via Gerry Goffin and Carole King, in
>which what happens is that it finally stops raining.
>
>Rosie

(-: I'd say the TV one is happy.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Abandon hope, all ye who <ENTER> here.

"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:

>>Maxwell Anderson and Kurt Weill, for the show Knickerbocker Holiday
>
> (I take it words and music in that order.)

Yes.

>
>>(1938). Everybody who has ever had any kind of aspiration to jazz
>>singing, including me, has had a go at it.
>
> Hmm. The TV show theme (arranged by Mark Warman) is very gentle. I
> would never have thought of it as a jazz standard. (I'm not saying
> jazz can't be gentle, but.)

It's one of those songs, like Send In The Clowns, that was specifically
written around and for the voice of a particular non-singing
actor. Walter Huston (father of John, grandfather of Anjelica) who asked
if he could have a solo song in the character of Pieter Stuyvesant, the
ageing governor and founder of New York. He got the first half closer
and it brought the house down. As with Send In The Clowns it's both a
lovely song and one that is actually quite easy to sing for somebody
with a limited voice.

Rosie

In message <8734r47xfc.fsf@milou.golgonooza.co.uk> at Mon, 29 Apr 2024
20:59:03, Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
>"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>
>>>Maxwell Anderson and Kurt Weill, for the show Knickerbocker Holiday
>>
>> (I take it words and music in that order.)
>
>Yes.
>
>>
>>>(1938). Everybody who has ever had any kind of aspiration to jazz
>>>singing, including me, has had a go at it.
>>
>> Hmm. The TV show theme (arranged by Mark Warman) is very gentle. I
>> would never have thought of it as a jazz standard. (I'm not saying
>> jazz can't be gentle, but.)
>
>It's one of those songs, like Send In The Clowns, that was specifically
>written around and for the voice of a particular non-singing
>actor. Walter Huston (father of John, grandfather of Anjelica) who asked
>if he could have a solo song in the character of Pieter Stuyvesant, the
>ageing governor and founder of New York. He got the first half closer
>and it brought the house down. As with Send In The Clowns it's both a
>lovely song and one that is actually quite easy to sing for somebody
>with a limited voice.
>
>Rosie

Thanks for all that info.!

SITC is about the only piece of Sondheim (that I've heard, anyway) that
doesn't fill me with "emperor's new clothes" feeling [basically, you're
not allowed to say Sondheim is anything but wonderful]. I think Judi
Dench's rendition (and yes, she's not a singer) is the nicest.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If something works, thank an engineer. (Reported seen on a bumper sticker.)

"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:

> In message <8734r47xfc.fsf@milou.golgonooza.co.uk> at Mon, 29 Apr 2024
> 20:59:03, Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
>>"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
>>
>>>>Maxwell Anderson and Kurt Weill, for the show Knickerbocker Holiday
>>>
>>> (I take it words and music in that order.)
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>>>
>>>>(1938). Everybody who has ever had any kind of aspiration to jazz
>>>>singing, including me, has had a go at it.
>>>
>>> Hmm. The TV show theme (arranged by Mark Warman) is very gentle. I
>>> would never have thought of it as a jazz standard. (I'm not saying
>>> jazz can't be gentle, but.)
>>
>>It's one of those songs, like Send In The Clowns, that was specifically
>>written around and for the voice of a particular non-singing
>>actor. Walter Huston (father of John, grandfather of Anjelica) who asked
>>if he could have a solo song in the character of Pieter Stuyvesant, the
>>ageing governor and founder of New York. He got the first half closer
>>and it brought the house down. As with Send In The Clowns it's both a
>>lovely song and one that is actually quite easy to sing for somebody
>>with a limited voice.
>>
>>Rosie
>
> Thanks for all that info.!
>
> SITC is about the only piece of Sondheim (that I've heard, anyway)
> that doesn't fill me with "emperor's new clothes" feeling [basically,
> you're not allowed to say Sondheim is anything but wonderful]. I think
> Judi Dench's rendition (and yes, she's not a singer) is the nicest.

Sondheim wrote and arranged it specifically for Glynis Johns. She was
(not long gone, died a few weeks ago after completing a fine century
last October) a heavy smoker so had a slighly raspy voice and was unable to
sustain a note, so Sondheim gave her lots of clipped lines ending in
consonants, and let the sumptuous woodwind do the heavy lifting.

As for Judi Dench, do lend an ear to this tour de force from her youth,
in the original London cast of Cabaret, where she plays the rather
seedy and shop-soiled Sally Bowles that Isherwood wrote about, before
Hollywood totally fucked up the whole thing and excised Sally's big
number all together (so you won't hear this in the film).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaP9EDTqfyM&ab_channel=jemb2000

Rosie

In message <87wmof6j66.fsf@milou.golgonooza.co.uk> at Tue, 30 Apr 2024
15:04:33, Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
>"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:
[]
>> SITC is about the only piece of Sondheim (that I've heard, anyway)
>> that doesn't fill me with "emperor's new clothes" feeling [basically,
>> you're not allowed to say Sondheim is anything but wonderful]. I think
>> Judi Dench's rendition (and yes, she's not a singer) is the nicest.
>
>Sondheim wrote and arranged it specifically for Glynis Johns. She was
>(not long gone, died a few weeks ago after completing a fine century
>last October) a heavy smoker so had a slighly raspy voice and was unable to
>sustain a note, so Sondheim gave her lots of clipped lines ending in
>consonants, and let the sumptuous woodwind do the heavy lifting.
>
>As for Judi Dench, do lend an ear to this tour de force from her youth,
>in the original London cast of Cabaret, where she plays the rather
>seedy and shop-soiled Sally Bowles that Isherwood wrote about, before
>Hollywood totally fucked up the whole thing and excised Sally's big
>number all together (so you won't hear this in the film).
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaP9EDTqfyM&ab_channel=jemb2000
>
>Rosie

Thanks for that - wonderful! (And she _could_ sing quite well!)

People like to knock the film of Cabaret, because, indeed, the Sally
Bowles character _wasn't_ supposed to be very good in the original book
and play. But IMO it's a completely different animal; OK, it loses some
credibility, but it has its own style (rather Bonnie and Clyde - was
that film made about the same time?), and still conveys the edginess of
the end of the (I think) Weimar republic feel - and I can forgive
anything for the final title number. ("I made my mind up, back in
Chelsea - when I go, I'm! Going! Like! Elsie!")

The whole thing also has what I think is one of the great critical
put-downs. Isherwood's book got made into a play called "I am a camera".

Critic: "Me no Leica."
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Look out for #1. Don't step in #2 either.