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English cricketers making CC Debuts in 20-23 first round of matches one
- (Joshua Hull LFM (Leics)
English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - second round of matches - None
English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - third round of matches - None
English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - fourth round of matches - None
English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= fifth round of matches - None
English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= Sixth round of matches - None
English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= Seventh round of matches -
None

Total to date
Batsmen

---------------------
Wicket Keepers
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Pace Bowlers
Joshua Hull LFM (Leics)
----------------------
Slow bowlers
--------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Debutantes to date 1
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Debuts in 2022 for comparison

Batsmen (3)
Soloman Budinger (Leics)
Taylor Conrwall (Worces)
James Wharton (Yorks)

Wk Keepers (2)
George Bell (Lancs)
Finlay Bean (Yorks)*

Pace Bowlers (7)
Michael Finlay (Leics) LM
Matt Potts (Derby) RFM
Oliver Gibson (Durham) RFM
Andrew Gorvin (Glamorgan) RM
Tom Laws (Surrey) RFM*
Ben Gibson (Worcs) LFM
Jonathan Bushell (Worcestershire) RFM

Spinners
----------------

No of 2022 debuts 12

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 by: Najeeb ybo - Mon, 12 Jun 2023 11:55 UTC

On Monday, 12 June 2023 at 12:29:19 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> English cricketers making CC Debuts in 20-23 first round of matches one
> - (Joshua Hull LFM (Leics)
> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - second round of matches - None
> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - third round of matches - None
> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - fourth round of matches - None
> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= fifth round of matches - None
> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= Sixth round of matches - None
> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= Seventh round of matches -
> None
>
> Total to date
> Batsmen
>
>
> ---------------------
> Wicket Keepers
> -----------------------
> Pace Bowlers
> Joshua Hull LFM (Leics)
> ----------------------
> Slow bowlers
> --------------------
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Debutantes to date 1
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Debuts in 2022 for comparison
>
> Batsmen (3)
> Soloman Budinger (Leics)
> Taylor Conrwall (Worces)
> James Wharton (Yorks)
>
> Wk Keepers (2)
> George Bell (Lancs)
> Finlay Bean (Yorks)*
>
> Pace Bowlers (7)
> Michael Finlay (Leics) LM
> Matt Potts (Derby) RFM
> Oliver Gibson (Durham) RFM
> Andrew Gorvin (Glamorgan) RM
> Tom Laws (Surrey) RFM*
> Ben Gibson (Worcs) LFM
> Jonathan Bushell (Worcestershire) RFM
>
> Spinners
> ----------------
>
> No of 2022 debuts 12
>
>
>
So no young English players were considered good enough to step up to the CC.
Perhaps you could provide a list with some content.
Who do you think should have been afforded a chance and which 'non English' player has taken their place?

For example:
English player not selected -- Usurper

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On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 04:55:33 -0700 (PDT), Najeeb ybo
<najeebybo@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, 12 June 2023 at 12:29:19 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
>> English cricketers making CC Debuts in 20-23 first round of matches one
>> - (Joshua Hull LFM (Leics)
>> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - second round of matches - None
>> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - third round of matches - None
>> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - fourth round of matches - None
>> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= fifth round of matches - None
>> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= Sixth round of matches - None
>> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= Seventh round of matches -
>> None
>>
>> Total to date
>> Batsmen
>>
>>
>> ---------------------
>> Wicket Keepers
>> -----------------------
>> Pace Bowlers
>> Joshua Hull LFM (Leics)
>> ----------------------
>> Slow bowlers
>> --------------------
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Debutantes to date 1
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Debuts in 2022 for comparison
>>
>> Batsmen (3)
>> Soloman Budinger (Leics)
>> Taylor Conrwall (Worces)
>> James Wharton (Yorks)
>>
>> Wk Keepers (2)
>> George Bell (Lancs)
>> Finlay Bean (Yorks)*
>>
>> Pace Bowlers (7)
>> Michael Finlay (Leics) LM
>> Matt Potts (Derby) RFM
>> Oliver Gibson (Durham) RFM
>> Andrew Gorvin (Glamorgan) RM
>> Tom Laws (Surrey) RFM*
>> Ben Gibson (Worcs) LFM
>> Jonathan Bushell (Worcestershire) RFM
>>
>> Spinners
>> ----------------
>>
>> No of 2022 debuts 12
>>
>>
>>
>So no young English players were considered good enough to step up to the CC.
>Perhaps you could provide a list with some content.
>Who do you think should have been afforded a chance and which 'non English' player has taken their place?
>
>For example:
>English player not selected -- Usurper
>
>
>
Stats and performances aren't enough. The big fat fool can't decide
without seeing a picture of the candidate first.

max.it

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 by: Robert Henderson - Tue, 13 Jun 2023 07:33 UTC

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 8:43:01 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 04:55:33 -0700 (PDT), Najeeb ybo
> <naje...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, 12 June 2023 at 12:29:19 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> >> English cricketers making CC Debuts in 20-23 first round of matches one
> >> - (Joshua Hull LFM (Leics)
> >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - second round of matches - None
> >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - third round of matches - None
> >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - fourth round of matches - None
> >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= fifth round of matches - None
> >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= Sixth round of matches - None
> >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= Seventh round of matches -
> >> None
> >>
> >> Total to date
> >> Batsmen
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------
> >> Wicket Keepers
> >> -----------------------
> >> Pace Bowlers
> >> Joshua Hull LFM (Leics)
> >> ----------------------
> >> Slow bowlers
> >> --------------------
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Debutantes to date 1
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Debuts in 2022 for comparison
> >>
> >> Batsmen (3)
> >> Soloman Budinger (Leics)
> >> Taylor Conrwall (Worces)
> >> James Wharton (Yorks)
> >>
> >> Wk Keepers (2)
> >> George Bell (Lancs)
> >> Finlay Bean (Yorks)*
> >>
> >> Pace Bowlers (7)
> >> Michael Finlay (Leics) LM
> >> Matt Potts (Derby) RFM
> >> Oliver Gibson (Durham) RFM
> >> Andrew Gorvin (Glamorgan) RM
> >> Tom Laws (Surrey) RFM*
> >> Ben Gibson (Worcs) LFM
> >> Jonathan Bushell (Worcestershire) RFM
> >>
> >> Spinners
> >> ----------------
> >>
> >> No of 2022 debuts 12
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >So no young English players were considered good enough to step up to the CC.
> >Perhaps you could provide a list with some content.
> >Who do you think should have been afforded a chance and which 'non English' player has taken their place?
> >
> >For example:
> >English player not selected -- Usurper
> >
> >
> >
> Stats and performances aren't enough. The big fat fool can't decide
> without seeing a picture of the candidate first.
>
> max.it

Oh dear, Lazarus displays his embarrassing ignorance. A player's character has always been taken into account when it comes to selection. RH

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 by: Robert Henderson - Tue, 13 Jun 2023 07:36 UTC

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 12:55:34 PM UTC+1, Najeeb ybo wrote:
> On Monday, 12 June 2023 at 12:29:19 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > English cricketers making CC Debuts in 20-23 first round of matches one
> > - (Joshua Hull LFM (Leics)
> > English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - second round of matches - None
> > English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - third round of matches - None
> > English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - fourth round of matches - None
> > English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= fifth round of matches - None
> > English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= Sixth round of matches - None
> > English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= Seventh round of matches -
> > None
> >
> > Total to date
> > Batsmen
> >
> >
> > ---------------------
> > Wicket Keepers
> > -----------------------
> > Pace Bowlers
> > Joshua Hull LFM (Leics)
> > ----------------------
> > Slow bowlers
> > --------------------
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Debutantes to date 1
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Debuts in 2022 for comparison
> >
> > Batsmen (3)
> > Soloman Budinger (Leics)
> > Taylor Conrwall (Worces)
> > James Wharton (Yorks)
> >
> > Wk Keepers (2)
> > George Bell (Lancs)
> > Finlay Bean (Yorks)*
> >
> > Pace Bowlers (7)
> > Michael Finlay (Leics) LM
> > Matt Potts (Derby) RFM
> > Oliver Gibson (Durham) RFM
> > Andrew Gorvin (Glamorgan) RM
> > Tom Laws (Surrey) RFM*
> > Ben Gibson (Worcs) LFM
> > Jonathan Bushell (Worcestershire) RFM
> >
> > Spinners
> > ----------------
> >
> > No of 2022 debuts 12
> >
> >
> >
> So no young English players were considered good enough to step up to the CC.

No, no young English player is given a chance because experienced foreigners are given chances before young English players. A good example from the current round of CC matches is the exclusion of Tom Laws in the Surrey side despite Laws taking first first 5 wickets in an innings in the last CC match. RH

> Perhaps you could provide a list with some content.
> Who do you think should have been afforded a chance and which 'non English' player has taken their place?
>
> For example:
> English player not selected -- Usurper

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 by: jack fredricks - Tue, 13 Jun 2023 09:19 UTC

On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 5:33:02 PM UTC+10, Robert Henderson wrote:
> Oh dear, Lazarus displays his embarrassing ignorance. A player's character has always been taken into account when it comes to selection.

Are you finally admitting these aren't comprehensive lists... rather they're just a list of players you've selected?

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 by: Najeeb ybo - Tue, 13 Jun 2023 12:04 UTC

On Tuesday, 13 June 2023 at 08:33:02 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 8:43:01 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 04:55:33 -0700 (PDT), Najeeb ybo
> > <naje...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Monday, 12 June 2023 at 12:29:19 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > >> English cricketers making CC Debuts in 20-23 first round of matches one
> > >> - (Joshua Hull LFM (Leics)
> > >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - second round of matches - None
> > >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - third round of matches - None
> > >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - fourth round of matches - None
> > >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= fifth round of matches - None
> > >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= Sixth round of matches - None
> > >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= Seventh round of matches -
> > >> None
> > >>
> > >> Total to date
> > >> Batsmen
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ---------------------
> > >> Wicket Keepers
> > >> -----------------------
> > >> Pace Bowlers
> > >> Joshua Hull LFM (Leics)
> > >> ----------------------
> > >> Slow bowlers
> > >> --------------------
> > >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> Debutantes to date 1
> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> Debuts in 2022 for comparison
> > >>
> > >> Batsmen (3)
> > >> Soloman Budinger (Leics)
> > >> Taylor Conrwall (Worces)
> > >> James Wharton (Yorks)
> > >>
> > >> Wk Keepers (2)
> > >> George Bell (Lancs)
> > >> Finlay Bean (Yorks)*
> > >>
> > >> Pace Bowlers (7)
> > >> Michael Finlay (Leics) LM
> > >> Matt Potts (Derby) RFM
> > >> Oliver Gibson (Durham) RFM
> > >> Andrew Gorvin (Glamorgan) RM
> > >> Tom Laws (Surrey) RFM*
> > >> Ben Gibson (Worcs) LFM
> > >> Jonathan Bushell (Worcestershire) RFM
> > >>
> > >> Spinners
> > >> ----------------
> > >>
> > >> No of 2022 debuts 12
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >So no young English players were considered good enough to step up to the CC.
> > >Perhaps you could provide a list with some content.
> > >Who do you think should have been afforded a chance and which 'non English' player has taken their place?
> > >
> > >For example:
> > >English player not selected -- Usurper
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Stats and performances aren't enough. The big fat fool can't decide
> > without seeing a picture of the candidate first.
> >
> > max.it
> Oh dear, Lazarus displays his embarrassing ignorance. A player's character has always been taken into account when it comes to selection. RH
>
>
That is nonsense.
How would you know anything about a player's character if you do not know the player?
You must be telling lies to claim that you consider a player's character for your selection.
It has been shown here before, that you have changed your opinion of a player after you realise that you have erroneously selected a non white player.

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 by: Robert Henderson - Tue, 13 Jun 2023 15:12 UTC

On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 1:04:08 PM UTC+1, Najeeb ybo wrote:
> On Tuesday, 13 June 2023 at 08:33:02 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 8:43:01 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> > > On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 04:55:33 -0700 (PDT), Najeeb ybo
> > > <naje...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Monday, 12 June 2023 at 12:29:19 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > > >> English cricketers making CC Debuts in 20-23 first round of matches one
> > > >> - (Joshua Hull LFM (Leics)
> > > >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - second round of matches - None
> > > >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - third round of matches - None
> > > >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 - fourth round of matches - None
> > > >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= fifth round of matches - None
> > > >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= Sixth round of matches - None
> > > >> English cricketers making CC debut in 2023 -= Seventh round of matches -
> > > >> None
> > > >>
> > > >> Total to date
> > > >> Batsmen
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ---------------------
> > > >> Wicket Keepers
> > > >> -----------------------
> > > >> Pace Bowlers
> > > >> Joshua Hull LFM (Leics)
> > > >> ----------------------
> > > >> Slow bowlers
> > > >> --------------------
> > > >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> Debutantes to date 1
> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> Debuts in 2022 for comparison
> > > >>
> > > >> Batsmen (3)
> > > >> Soloman Budinger (Leics)
> > > >> Taylor Conrwall (Worces)
> > > >> James Wharton (Yorks)
> > > >>
> > > >> Wk Keepers (2)
> > > >> George Bell (Lancs)
> > > >> Finlay Bean (Yorks)*
> > > >>
> > > >> Pace Bowlers (7)
> > > >> Michael Finlay (Leics) LM
> > > >> Matt Potts (Derby) RFM
> > > >> Oliver Gibson (Durham) RFM
> > > >> Andrew Gorvin (Glamorgan) RM
> > > >> Tom Laws (Surrey) RFM*
> > > >> Ben Gibson (Worcs) LFM
> > > >> Jonathan Bushell (Worcestershire) RFM
> > > >>
> > > >> Spinners
> > > >> ----------------
> > > >>
> > > >> No of 2022 debuts 12
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >So no young English players were considered good enough to step up to the CC.
> > > >Perhaps you could provide a list with some content.
> > > >Who do you think should have been afforded a chance and which 'non English' player has taken their place?
> > > >
> > > >For example:
> > > >English player not selected -- Usurper
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Stats and performances aren't enough. The big fat fool can't decide
> > > without seeing a picture of the candidate first.
> > >
> > > max.it
> > Oh dear, Lazarus displays his embarrassing ignorance. A player's character has always been taken into account when it comes to selection. RH
> >
> >
> That is nonsense.
> How would you know anything about a player's character if you do not know the player?

By the way they perform. A cricket match is a story

Sigh, you are displaying the same lack of insight as Dr B-M displays.... RH

> You must be telling lies to claim that you consider a player's character for your selection.
> It has been shown here before, that you have changed your opinion of a player after you realise that you have erroneously selected a non white player.

Cite examples.... RH

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On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 05:04:06 -0700 (PDT), Najeeb ybo
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>>
>That is nonsense.
>How would you know anything about a player's character if you do not know the player?
>You must be telling lies to claim that you consider a player's character for your selection.

Think of all those players who have white line fever - lovely blokes
off the field but vicious bastard out on the playing area.

>It has been shown here before, that you have changed your opinion of a player after you realise that you have erroneously selected a non white player.

Oh yes - that Surrey opener Scott somebody in the 00s who wasn't
declared to be black until the village idiot saw him in the flesh.

Cheers,

Mike

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On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 19:01:48 +0100, Mike Holmans <spam@jackalope.uk>
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>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 05:04:06 -0700 (PDT), Najeeb ybo
><najeebybo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>That is nonsense.
>>How would you know anything about a player's character if you do not know the player?
>>You must be telling lies to claim that you consider a player's character for your selection.
>
>Think of all those players who have white line fever - lovely blokes
>off the field but vicious bastard out on the playing area.
>
>>It has been shown here before, that you have changed your opinion of a player after you realise that you have erroneously selected a non white player.
>
>Oh yes - that Surrey opener Scott somebody in the 00s who wasn't
>declared to be black until the village idiot saw him in the flesh.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Mike

That's Scott Newman. Must have been 20 years ago.

It was another poster that told old porky Henderswine that Newman
wasn't white. Porky didn't believe him and asked if he didn't mean
Carberry(?) or some other coloured player.

max.it

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On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 19:16:40 +0100, max.it <max@tea.time> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 19:01:48 +0100, Mike Holmans <spam@jackalope.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 05:04:06 -0700 (PDT), Najeeb ybo
>><najeebybo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>That is nonsense.
>>>How would you know anything about a player's character if you do not know the player?
>>>You must be telling lies to claim that you consider a player's character for your selection.
>>
>>Think of all those players who have white line fever - lovely blokes
>>off the field but vicious bastard out on the playing area.
>>
>>>It has been shown here before, that you have changed your opinion of a player after you realise that you have erroneously selected a non white player.
>>
>>Oh yes - that Surrey opener Scott somebody in the 00s who wasn't
>>declared to be black until the village idiot saw him in the flesh.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Mike
>
>
>That's Scott Newman. Must have been 20 years ago.
>
>It was another poster that told old porky Henderswine that Newman
>wasn't white. Porky didn't believe him and asked if he didn't mean
>Carberry(?) or some other coloured player.
>
>max.it

I can't resist a quick 10 mins of research.
It appears that Najeeb is correct and Newman was in the sunshine band
until the vermin Hendershit discovered he was coloured.

max.it
........

Opportunity is all - CC and the growimng threat from foreign players

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Robert Henderson
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Aug 25, 2002, 5:21:23?PM

In the current Surrey match, Scott Newman scored 99 in his first class
innings. He was only playing because of injuries to other players.
Newman is a very talented batsman, who this season has scored 7
hundreds
for Surrey Seconds, which is going some. He also scored very heavily
last year. The fact that he has had to wait until he is 22 to make his
first class debut shows how a player needs opportunity as well as
talent.

------------------

"Well, it is not only a question of average players being excluded, eg
Scott Newman and Gareth Batty. But even if it was, it would still be
wrong because this is England and like any country preference should
be given to the natives of the country. RH"

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Marco
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On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:21:23 +0100, Robert Henderson
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>In the current Surrey match, Scott Newman scored 99 in his first class
>innings. He was only playing because of injuries to other players.
>

You *do* know that Newman is black, don't you?

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Sure you are not confusing him with Carberry? RH
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 by: Richard Dixon - Wed, 14 Jun 2023 14:00 UTC

On Tuesday, 13 June 2023 at 08:36:59 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:

> No, no young English player is given a chance because experienced foreigners are given chances before young English players. A good example from the current round of CC matches is the exclusion of Tom Laws in the Surrey side despite Laws taking first first 5 wickets in an innings in the last CC match. RH

It's Lawes. And don't blame your eyesight, you did it twice.

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 by: max.it - Wed, 14 Jun 2023 14:14 UTC

On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 07:00:48 -0700 (PDT), Richard Dixon
<richsdixon1975@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, 13 June 2023 at 08:36:59 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
>
>> No, no young English player is given a chance because experienced foreigners are given chances before young English players. A good example from the current round of CC matches is the exclusion of Tom Laws in the Surrey side despite Laws taking first first 5 wickets in an innings in the last CC match. RH
>
>It's Lawes. And don't blame your eyesight, you did it twice.

He can't even spell the players name, but he knows the lad's
character.

max.it

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 by: Robert Henderson - Thu, 15 Jun 2023 08:22 UTC

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 3:14:40 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 07:00:48 -0700 (PDT), Richard Dixon
> <richsdi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, 13 June 2023 at 08:36:59 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> >
> >> No, no young English player is given a chance because experienced foreigners are given chances before young English players. A good example from the current round of CC matches is the exclusion of Tom Laws in the Surrey side despite Laws taking first first 5 wickets in an innings in the last CC match. RH
> >
> >It's Lawes. And don't blame your eyesight, you did it twice.
> He can't even spell the players name, but he knows the lad's
> character.
>
> max.it

Now let me see, Lazarus knows I have a deteriorating sight condition yet he refuses to behave decently towards someone with a serious eye condition.... YUK RH

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 by: Robert Henderson - Thu, 15 Jun 2023 08:23 UTC

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 3:00:50 PM UTC+1, Richard Dixon wrote:
> On Tuesday, 13 June 2023 at 08:36:59 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
>
> > No, no young English player is given a chance because experienced foreigners are given chances before young English players. A good example from the current round of CC matches is the exclusion of Tom Laws in the Surrey side despite Laws taking first first 5 wickets in an innings in the last CC match. RH
> It's Lawes. And don't blame your eyesight, you did it twice.

Now let me see, very pc Dixon knows I have a deteriorating sight condition yet he refuses to behave decently towards someone with a serious eye condition... YUK RH

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 by: Najeeb ybo - Thu, 15 Jun 2023 08:30 UTC

On Thursday, 15 June 2023 at 09:23:58 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 3:00:50 PM UTC+1, Richard Dixon wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 13 June 2023 at 08:36:59 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> >
> > > No, no young English player is given a chance because experienced foreigners are given chances before young English players. A good example from the current round of CC matches is the exclusion of Tom Laws in the Surrey side despite Laws taking first first 5 wickets in an innings in the last CC match. RH
> > It's Lawes. And don't blame your eyesight, you did it twice.
> Now let me see, very pc Dixon knows I have a deteriorating sight condition yet he refuses to behave decently towards someone with a serious eye condition... YUK RH
>
>
'Course you have, course you have.
You just can't spell because you are stupid and an extreme hypocrite considering your behaviour towards the poster you refer to as 'Lazaraus' and Andrew Walker.
Who would want to show any decency towards a despicable, racist shit?

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 by: Richard Dixon - Thu, 15 Jun 2023 08:54 UTC

On Thursday, 15 June 2023 at 09:23:58 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:

> Now let me see, very pc Dixon knows I have a deteriorating sight condition yet he refuses to behave decently towards someone with a serious eye condition... YUK RH

"No, no young English player is given a chance because experienced foreigners are given chances before young English players. A good example from the current round of CC matches is the exclusion of Tom Laws in the Surrey side despite Laws taking first first 5 wickets in an innings in the last CC match. RH"

If you've got a deteriorating sight condition, how come

a) there are no other typos in this paragraph aside from "Laws" twice and
b) a quick search for "Tom Laws" reveals your spelling it that way on 28/9/22, 12/9/22, 7/9/22, 31/7/22, 19/7/22, 13/7/22 and 27/6/22

That's quite a coincidence, isn't it? I have all sympathy for disability, but not when people lean on it misleadingly as an excuse

Richard

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 by: Robert Henderson - Thu, 15 Jun 2023 09:01 UTC

On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 9:54:31 AM UTC+1, Richard Dixon wrote:
> On Thursday, 15 June 2023 at 09:23:58 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > Now let me see, very pc Dixon knows I have a deteriorating sight condition yet he refuses to behave decently towards someone with a serious eye condition... YUK RH
> "No, no young English player is given a chance because experienced foreigners are given chances before young English players. A good example from the current round of CC matches is the exclusion of Tom Laws in the Surrey side despite Laws taking first first 5 wickets in an innings in the last CC match. RH"
> If you've got a deteriorating sight condition, how come
>
> a) there are no other typos in this paragraph aside from "Laws" twice and
> b) a quick search for "Tom Laws" reveals your spelling it that way on 28/9/22, 12/9/22, 7/9/22, 31/7/22, 19/7/22, 13/7/22 and 27/6/22
>
> That's quite a coincidence, isn't it? I have all sympathy for disability, but not when people lean on it misleadingly as an excuse
>
> Richard

Translation: Very PC Dixon in a panic ... YUK RH

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 by: Richard Dixon - Thu, 15 Jun 2023 09:39 UTC

On Thursday, 15 June 2023 at 10:02:00 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:

> > a) there are no other typos in this paragraph aside from "Laws" twice and
> > b) a quick search for "Tom Laws" reveals your spelling it that way on 28/9/22, 12/9/22, 7/9/22, 31/7/22, 19/7/22, 13/7/22 and 27/6/22
> >
> > That's quite a coincidence, isn't it? I have all sympathy for disability, but not when people lean on it misleadingly as an excuse
> >
> > Richard
> Translation: Very PC Dixon in a panic ... YUK RH

Is that the best you've got in light of pretty solid evidence you can't spell Lawes? Pathetic effort, Robert.

Richard

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 by: Robert Henderson - Thu, 15 Jun 2023 10:04 UTC

On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:39:51 AM UTC+1, Richard Dixon wrote:
> On Thursday, 15 June 2023 at 10:02:00 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
>
> > > a) there are no other typos in this paragraph aside from "Laws" twice and
> > > b) a quick search for "Tom Laws" reveals your spelling it that way on 28/9/22, 12/9/22, 7/9/22, 31/7/22, 19/7/22, 13/7/22 and 27/6/22
> > >
> > > That's quite a coincidence, isn't it? I have all sympathy for disability, but not when people lean on it misleadingly as an excuse
> > >
> > > Richard
> > Translation: Very PC Dixon in a panic ... YUK RH
> Is that the best you've got in light of pretty solid evidence you can't spell Lawes? Pathetic effort, Robert.
>
> Richard

Very PC Dixon in a growing panic ... YUK RH

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 by: Robert Henderson - Thu, 15 Jun 2023 10:10 UTC

On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 9:30:49 AM UTC+1, Najeeb ybo wrote:
> On Thursday, 15 June 2023 at 09:23:58 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 3:00:50 PM UTC+1, Richard Dixon wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 13 June 2023 at 08:36:59 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > >
> > > > No, no young English player is given a chance because experienced foreigners are given chances before young English players. A good example from the current round of CC matches is the exclusion of Tom Laws in the Surrey side despite Laws taking first first 5 wickets in an innings in the last CC match. RH
> > > It's Lawes. And don't blame your eyesight, you did it twice.
> > Now let me see, very pc Dixon knows I have a deteriorating sight condition yet he refuses to behave decently towards someone with a serious eye condition... YUK RH
> >
> >
> 'Course you have, course you have.
> You just can't spell because you are stupid and an extreme hypocrite considering your behaviour towards the poster you refer to as 'Lazaraus' and Andrew Walker.
> Who would want to show any decency towards a despicable, racist shit?

Now let me see, Najeeb ybo knows I have a deteriorating sight condition yet he refuses to behave decently towards someone with a serious eye condition... YUK RH

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On Thursday, 15 June 2023 at 11:04:42 UTC+1, Robert Henderson wrote:

> Very PC Dixon in a growing panic ... YUK RH

When Robert reels out that someone is in a panic you know he's cornered and go no meaningful reply.....yet again.

Richard

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On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 6:54:31 PM UTC+10, Richard Dixon wrote:
> b) a quick search for "Tom Laws" reveals your spelling it that way on 28/9/22, 12/9/22, 7/9/22, 31/7/22, 19/7/22, 13/7/22 and 27/6/22

RH correcting mistakes would be a sign of progress.
RH doesn't like progress.

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 by: Hamish Laws - Thu, 15 Jun 2023 13:59 UTC

On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 9:08:06 PM UTC+10, jack fredricks wrote:
> On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 6:54:31 PM UTC+10, Richard Dixon wrote:
> > b) a quick search for "Tom Laws" reveals your spelling it that way on 28/9/22, 12/9/22, 7/9/22, 31/7/22, 19/7/22, 13/7/22 and 27/6/22
> RH correcting mistakes would be a sign of progress.
> RH doesn't like progress.

Of course it's a plainly terrible way to spell the name, Lawes is far inferior to Laws

Hamish Laws

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On 13/06/2023 20:23, max.it wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 19:16:40 +0100, max.it <max@tea.time> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 19:01:48 +0100, Mike Holmans <spam@jackalope.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 05:04:06 -0700 (PDT), Najeeb ybo
>>> <najeebybo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That is nonsense.
>>>> How would you know anything about a player's character if you do not know the player?
>>>> You must be telling lies to claim that you consider a player's character for your selection.
>>>
>>> Think of all those players who have white line fever - lovely blokes
>>> off the field but vicious bastard out on the playing area.
>>>
>>>> It has been shown here before, that you have changed your opinion of a player after you realise that you have erroneously selected a non white player.
>>>
>>> Oh yes - that Surrey opener Scott somebody in the 00s who wasn't
>>> declared to be black until the village idiot saw him in the flesh.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>> That's Scott Newman. Must have been 20 years ago.
>>
>> It was another poster that told old porky Henderswine that Newman
>> wasn't white. Porky didn't believe him and asked if he didn't mean
>> Carberry(?) or some other coloured player.
>>
>> max.it
>
> I can't resist a quick 10 mins of research.
> It appears that Najeeb is correct and Newman was in the sunshine band
> until the vermin Hendershit discovered he was coloured.
>
> max.it
> .......
>
> Opportunity is all - CC and the growimng threat from foreign players
>
> Robert Henderson's profile photo
> Robert Henderson
> unread,
> Aug 25, 2002, 5:21:23?PM
>
> In the current Surrey match, Scott Newman scored 99 in his first class
> innings. He was only playing because of injuries to other players.
> Newman is a very talented batsman, who this season has scored 7
> hundreds
> for Surrey Seconds, which is going some. He also scored very heavily
> last year. The fact that he has had to wait until he is 22 to make his
> first class debut shows how a player needs opportunity as well as
> talent.
>
> ------------------
>
> "Well, it is not only a question of average players being excluded, eg
> Scott Newman and Gareth Batty. But even if it was, it would still be
> wrong because this is England and like any country preference should
> be given to the natives of the country. RH"
>
> ----------------------------
>
> Marco
> unread,
> Aug 30, 2002, 5:31:57?PM
> to
> On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:21:23 +0100, Robert Henderson
> <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> In the current Surrey match, Scott Newman scored 99 in his first class
>> innings. He was only playing because of injuries to other players.
>>
>
> You *do* know that Newman is black, don't you?
>
> ----------------------------
>
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> Aug 31, 2002, 6:58:43?AM
> to
> In article <ue7vmuo2m6p3m21ac...@4ax.com>, Marco
> <Marc...@ihome.net> writes
>
> Sure you are not confusing him with Carberry? RH
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I'm sure that he never listed James Pearson as "English" after this either:

https://groups.google.com/g/uk.sport.cricket/c/GsfhkbXad6M/m/4sUGhKVhvE4J

.... or complained about overseas players keeping him out of the Gloucs side:

https://groups.google.com/g/uk.sport.cricket/c/7WRQUdBC-2I/m/78R7SkF4wzUJ

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David North


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