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QUOTE: Under Park regulations it is an offence to: Drive above the 20 mph speed limit. Drop or leave litter. ENDS

"DRIVE" - NOTED

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 by: JNugent - Thu, 18 May 2023 21:12 UTC

On 18/05/2023 08:36 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> QUOTE: Under Park regulations it is an offence to: Drive above the 20 mph speed limit. Drop or leave litter. ENDS
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> "DRIVE" - NOTED

Wasn't "No Brakes" Alliston convicted of wanton driving?
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From: nix@genie.co.uk (Nick Finnigan)
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 by: Nick Finnigan - Sat, 20 May 2023 09:04 UTC

On 18/05/2023 20:36, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> QUOTE: Under Park regulations it is an offence to: Drive above the 20 mph speed limit. Drop or leave litter. ENDS
>
> "DRIVE" - NOTED

However, the actual act read:

"Speeds at which vehicles may be driven or ridden on a Park road"

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/1639/schedule/2/part/II/made

that was amended in 2012, and only then was 'vehicle' defined, for the
new regulations:

1.—(1) These Regulations may be cited as The Royal Parks and Other Open
Spaces (Amendment) etc. Regulations 2010 and shall come into force for the
purposes of regulations 1 to 4 on 6th April 2010 and for all other purposes
on 1st October 2010.

(2) In these Regulations–

“parking permit” means a permit issued by or on behalf of the Secretary of
State for the parking of a vehicle;

“parking place” means a place shown on a notice exhibited by or on behalf
of the Secretary of State as being appointed under these Regulations as a
place where a person may park a vehicle; and

“vehicle” means a mechanically propelled vehicle intended or adapted for
use on a road.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/1194/regulation/1/made

The latest regulations do not clarify which vehicles they apply to, so
could cover pedal cycles:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1027/regulation/2/made

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QUOTE: However, Royal Parks, the organisation that looks after Richmond Park, has said that the speed limit does not apply to cyclists meaning that any legal action by the police against cyclists over this issue may have been unlawful. ENDS

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 by: Nick Finnigan - Sat, 20 May 2023 09:28 UTC

On 20/05/2023 10:11, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> QUOTE: However, Royal Parks, the organisation that looks after Richmond Park, has said that the speed limit does not apply to cyclists meaning that any legal action by the police against cyclists over this issue may have been unlawful. ENDS
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>
Can you provide a reference (which is clearly from Royal Parks) ?

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sat, 20 May 2023 09:40 UTC

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:30:53 AM UTC+1, Nick Finnigan wrote:
> On 20/05/2023 10:11, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> > QUOTE: However, Royal Parks, the organisation that looks after Richmond Park, has said that the speed limit does not apply to cyclists meaning that any legal action by the police against cyclists over this issue may have been unlawful. ENDS
> >
> >
> Can you provide a reference (which is clearly from Royal Parks) ?

"There has long been controversy and dispute over the behaviour of cyclists and whether the speed limits that apply to cars, which range from 5mph to 20mph in Richmond Park, apply to those on two wheels.

This appeared to be settled two years ago when the Royal Parks issued a statement saying there is no speed limit for cyclists in the Royal Parks, which mirrors the situation on normal public roads."

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 by: Spike - Sat, 20 May 2023 09:58 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:30:53 AM UTC+1, Nick Finnigan wrote:
>> On 20/05/2023 10:11, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> QUOTE: However, Royal Parks, the organisation that looks after Richmond
>>> Park, has said that the speed limit does not apply to cyclists meaning
>>> that any legal action by the police against cyclists over this issue
>>> may have been unlawful. ENDS
>>>
>>>
>> Can you provide a reference (which is clearly from Royal Parks) ?
>
> "There has long been controversy and dispute over the behaviour of
> cyclists and whether the speed limits that apply to cars, which range
> from 5mph to 20mph in Richmond Park, apply to those on two wheels.

> This appeared to be settled two years ago when the Royal Parks issued a
> statement saying there is no speed limit for cyclists in the Royal Parks,
> which mirrors the situation on normal public roads."

Now answer the question posed above by Nick Finnigan, which for your
convenience was:

“Can you provide a reference (which is clearly from Royal Parks)?”

--
Spike

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QUOTE: There is no legal speed limit on cyclists on public roads and – on the face of it – there is no byelaw that allows the Royal Parks to impose one in Richmond, Bushy Park, or any others it is responsible for. ENDS

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 by: Spike - Sat, 20 May 2023 10:38 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> QUOTE: There is no legal speed limit on cyclists on public roads and – on
> the face of it – there is no byelaw that allows the Royal Parks to impose
> one in Richmond, Bushy Park, or any others it is responsible for. ENDS

So your response to Nick Finnigan’s question is “No I can’t provide a
reference, but I’ll repeat the claim that gave rise to it”.

IOW, your answer is “No”.

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 by: Nick Finnigan - Sat, 20 May 2023 16:42 UTC

On 20/05/2023 11:27, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> QUOTE: There is no legal speed limit on cyclists on public roads and – on the face of it – there is no byelaw that allows the Royal Parks to impose one in Richmond, Bushy Park, or any others it is responsible for. ENDS
>

However, the Crown Estate Act allows speed limits to be imposed by the
Secretary of state, as happened in 1997. Which was before the Royal Parks
charity was estabalished to support and manage the parks - nevertheless, it
would be interesting to have their official view.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sun, 21 May 2023 08:52 UTC

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:36:06 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> QUOTE: Under Park regulations it is an offence to: Drive above the 20 mph speed limit. Drop or leave litter. ENDS
>
> "DRIVE" - NOTED

Drivers are responsible for any littering from their vehicles. Use ashtrays for cigarettes and litter bags for trash while riding in motor vehicles. Empty ash trays and litter bags only into trash cans. LITTERING IS A CRIME

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 by: Spike - Sun, 21 May 2023 09:52 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:36:06 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>> QUOTE: Under Park regulations it is an offence to: Drive above the 20
>> mph speed limit. Drop or leave litter. ENDS
>>
>> "DRIVE" - NOTED

> Drivers are responsible for any littering from their vehicles. Use
> ashtrays for cigarettes and litter bags for trash while riding in motor
> vehicles. Empty ash trays and litter bags only into trash cans. LITTERING IS A CRIME

'Selfish cyclists' slammed for dropping empty gel packs in Richmond park,
risking the lives of deer

“Selfish cyclists” in Richmond Park have been blamed for dropping litter
which can kill deer by clogging their stomachs.

A new warning from park conservationists has slammed the “dangerous” new
phenomenon of cyclists discarding gel packs during recent races held at the
park.

Litter is one of the major threats facing grazing deer in the park, with an
estimated five deer killed by eating discarded rubbish each year, wildlife
officers at the park say.

The warning comes after two major cycling events, the London Duathlon and
Ride London, saw hundreds of gel packs left lying at the nature reserve.

Gruesome: Wildlife officer John Bartram holding up the stomach contents of
a deer which died because of litter.

<https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/selfish-cyclists-slammed-for-dropping-litter-after-richmond-park-deer-deaths-a3350046.html>

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 by: JNugent - Sun, 21 May 2023 10:09 UTC

On 21/05/2023 09:52 am, swldx...@gmail.com...

...pretending not to answer Spike, said:

> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:36:06 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>> QUOTE: Under Park regulations it is an offence to: Drive above the 20 mph speed limit. Drop or leave litter. ENDS
>>
>> "DRIVE" - NOTED
>
> Drivers are responsible for any littering from their vehicles.

That is yet another chavvy lie from Mad Mason.

Whereas chavs-on-bikes like to "think" that they own and are in control
of other people, actually, nobody does.

> Use ashtrays for cigarettes and litter bags for trash while riding in motor vehicles.

Don't smoke in a motor vehicle.

Be civilised instead.

> Empty ash trays and litter bags only into trash cans. LITTERING IS A CRIME...

.... and it is the duty of the individual not to do it. Not someone esle.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sun, 21 May 2023 10:30 UTC

On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 9:52:43 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:36:06 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> > QUOTE: Under Park regulations it is an offence to: Drive above the 20 mph speed limit. Drop or leave litter. ENDS
> >
> > "DRIVE" - NOTED
> Drivers are responsible for any littering from their vehicles. Use ashtrays for cigarettes and litter bags for trash while riding in motor vehicles. Empty ash trays and litter bags only into trash cans. LITTERING IS A CRIME

Littering on motorways across the UK has become a serious issue for drivers and locals – and the problem is apparently getting worse.

It is got to the point where the RAC Foundation fears the nation is approaching a 'point of no return' due to uncollected litter piling up on the side of the roads, and becoming embedded in the landscape.

Steve Gooding, Director of the foundation, said: “In 1,000 years, we risk archaeologists digging up the past and identifying the 21st-century road network not by the buried tarmac but by the lines of litter that bordered it.”

Responsibility for maintaining the motorways and keeping them free of litter falls on National Highways.

Freda Rashdi, of National Highways, said: “Littering is a social problem and we’re working hard to tackle it on our roads.

“It includes using CCTV in A-road lay-bys to gather evidence to provide to local authorities, who can carry out enforcement.

“We’re also carrying out a trial to understand how message signs resonate with drivers to reduce motorway littering.”

Drivers can report littering on the roads to National Highways.

With the issue escalating, in March this year, 25 MPs signed a motion to raise awareness of littering on the motorways.

The motion stated: “That this House deplores the huge amount of litter on motorways, access road, junctions and verges; notes that there is a crystal clear legal obligation on National Highways to ensure roads are kept clear of litter; and calls on National Highways to act on this obligation, use motorway gantries to promote anti-littering messaging, ensure staff and contractors remove signs, sandbags and cones following roadworks in a timely manner and ensure contracts include financial penalties for not doing so.”

Conservative MP for Hemel Hempstead, Sir Mike Penning, is the primary for the calls for change.

He branded the current levels of littering on the motorways as a ‘national disgrace’ and is urging the Government to issue stronger penalties for those caught and for National Highways to clean up the mess.

Penning also believes that National Highways are failing in their duty to keep roads free of rubbish.

He said: “Some of our motorways go through the most beautiful parts of the country. It is like driving through a rubbish tip. We have the technology to prosecute and we’re not doing it.”

The group leading the calls for change believe that motorway cameras should be used to catch litter louts alongside their usual tasks for speeding and illegal activities on the roads.

Earlier this year, anti-litter campaign group Clean Up Britain launched an action plan calling for the introduction of £1,000 littering fines (up from £150) and for six penalty points on the driver’s licence..

John Read, the group's Founder, said: "We go around the country, and we film motorways and major A roads just to show the public because this is the important thing - the British public need to see what a disgusting, filthy, rancid country they live in. It's really sad to say that but it's true.

"And we seem to lost our pride and respect in Britain. We need desperately to get it back because at the moment the country looks like an open cast tip. It really does, it looks like a rubbish bin. We can do so much better than that, but we need to start really understanding it's a major problem."

Have you noticed more littering on UK roads recently? Should the punishments for being caught be more severe? And should motorway cameras be used to catch litter louts? Leave your comments below.

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 by: Spike - Sun, 21 May 2023 12:10 UTC

RUBBISH - From Cyclists
Post 29 May 2022, 3:24pm

Before I start does anyone know if Ride London do a rubbish pick up after
the event? If so forget the rest.

I did ask a Marshall and she said the wagons go round to pick up the signs,
but didn't think there was anyone doing the rubbish.

I was camping just off the Ride and the Women's route. Coming back from my
private ride today, I rode a short section of the Ride London 100 route. In
about 3kms, I saw 30 or so energy sachets discarded on the road. There were
also a couple of water bottles and a few banana skins. Plus other sweet
wrappers.

Strange where the sachets were as it was only a few Kms before a feeding
station, so maybe people who don't stop to feed.

I fully support all cycling and was pleased to see these 2 events, but what
arrogant t*ssers some of the riders must be to think they can dump their
rubbish on our lovely Essex roads.

Are there any rules about throwing rubbish in these type events?

Re: RUBBISH - From Cyclists
Post 30 May 2022, 6:51pm

Living in the Surrey Hills cycling litter such as gel wrappers and
discarded inner tubes are constant.
It is far worse when Sportives are run, to the degree locals organise
litter picks as we are fed up with it.

Re: RUBBISH - From Cyclists
Post 30 May 2022, 10:57pm

A few years ago there was a cycling event on my commuting route over the
weekend. On the Monday there was one spot with rather a lot of little, air
bottles. It took me a couple of days to realise that they weren't in fact
part of a puncture repair kit but the remains of a legal high. I was
initially most unfair to sportive riders but on the whole it is fair to
assume the worst of mass participation sporting events such as cycling
sportive, marathons and fun runs. There are certainly good and bad ones.

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 9:52:43 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:36:06 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> QUOTE: Under Park regulations it is an offence to: Drive above the 20
>>> mph speed limit. Drop or leave litter. ENDS
>>>
>>> "DRIVE" - NOTED
>> Drivers are responsible for any littering from their vehicles. Use
>> ashtrays for cigarettes and litter bags for trash while riding in motor
>> vehicles. Empty ash trays and litter bags only into trash cans. LITTERING IS A CRIME
>
> Littering on motorways across the UK has become a serious issue for
> drivers and locals – and the problem is apparently getting worse.
>
> It is got to the point where the RAC Foundation fears the nation is
> approaching a 'point of no return' due to uncollected litter piling up on
> the side of the roads, and becoming embedded in the landscape.
>
> Steve Gooding, Director of the foundation, said: “In 1,000 years, we risk
> archaeologists digging up the past and identifying the 21st-century road
> network not by the buried tarmac but by the lines of litter that bordered it.”
>
> Responsibility for maintaining the motorways and keeping them free of
> litter falls on National Highways.
>
> Freda Rashdi, of National Highways, said: “Littering is a social problem
> and we’re working hard to tackle it on our roads.
>
> “It includes using CCTV in A-road lay-bys to gather evidence to provide
> to local authorities, who can carry out enforcement.
>
> “We’re also carrying out a trial to understand how message signs resonate
> with drivers to reduce motorway littering.”
>
> Drivers can report littering on the roads to National Highways.
>
> With the issue escalating, in March this year, 25 MPs signed a motion to
> raise awareness of littering on the motorways.
>
> The motion stated: “That this House deplores the huge amount of litter on
> motorways, access road, junctions and verges; notes that there is a
> crystal clear legal obligation on National Highways to ensure roads are
> kept clear of litter; and calls on National Highways to act on this
> obligation, use motorway gantries to promote anti-littering messaging,
> ensure staff and contractors remove signs, sandbags and cones following
> roadworks in a timely manner and ensure contracts include financial
> penalties for not doing so.”
>
> Conservative MP for Hemel Hempstead, Sir Mike Penning, is the primary for
> the calls for change.
>
> He branded the current levels of littering on the motorways as a
> ‘national disgrace’ and is urging the Government to issue stronger
> penalties for those caught and for National Highways to clean up the mess.
>
> Penning also believes that National Highways are failing in their duty to
> keep roads free of rubbish.
>
> He said: “Some of our motorways go through the most beautiful parts of
> the country. It is like driving through a rubbish tip. We have the
> technology to prosecute and we’re not doing it.”
>
> The group leading the calls for change believe that motorway cameras
> should be used to catch litter louts alongside their usual tasks for
> speeding and illegal activities on the roads.
>
> Earlier this year, anti-litter campaign group Clean Up Britain launched
> an action plan calling for the introduction of £1,000 littering fines (up
> from £150) and for six penalty points on the driver’s licence.
>
> John Read, the group's Founder, said: "We go around the country, and we
> film motorways and major A roads just to show the public because this is
> the important thing - the British public need to see what a disgusting,
> filthy, rancid country they live in. It's really sad to say that but it's true.
>
> "And we seem to lost our pride and respect in Britain. We need
> desperately to get it back because at the moment the country looks like
> an open cast tip. It really does, it looks like a rubbish bin. We can do
> so much better than that, but we need to start really understanding it's a major problem."
>
> Have you noticed more littering on UK roads recently? Should the
> punishments for being caught be more severe? And should motorway cameras
> be used to catch litter louts? Leave your comments below.
>

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We have your Number. Our roads are not one giant litter bin. The registered keeper of a vehicle is liable to a fine of £75 if litter is thrown from their vehicle. This is the case even if they were not in the vehicle or did not throw the litter.

One in seven drivers admit to chucking rubbish out of their car. The result is our roadsides covered with everything from coffee cups to cigarette ends, dirty nappies to old newspapers. According to the environmental charity, Keep Britain Tidy, it costs the taxpayer more than £850million a year to clear up roadside rubbish.

To help combat roadside litter, new regulations were introduced in April 2018. These regulations mean local councils may issue a penalty notice to the registered owner of a car if it can be proved litter had been dumped from their vehicle, even if someone else discarded the rubbish.

Dover District Council has adopted these powers and is now issuing penalty notices for this type of littering offence. Owners of cars witnessed to have had litter thrown from them will be served with a £75 penalty notice payable within 28 days. Should no payment be received then the penalty amount doubles to £150.

If no payment is received during the payment period then Dover District Council may register the debt at County Court and a Warrant issued for Bailiffs to recovery the debt.

Littering remains a criminal offence under the Environmental Protection Act 1990 and our Environmental Enforcement Officers continues to enforce this legislation across the Dover District. Under the Environmental Protection Act 1990 the Council needed to prove who the person, responsible for depositing litter from a vehicle, was. These new regulations remove this requirement and the registered keeper of a vehicle is liable for a civil penalty.

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swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> We have your Number. Our roads are not one giant litter bin. The
> registered keeper of a vehicle is liable to a fine of £75 if litter is
> thrown from their vehicle. This is the case even if they were not in the
> vehicle or did not throw the litter.

That’s a lie. An outright lie. This is the actual position, taken from the
same report:

“These new regulations remove this requirement and the registered keeper of
a vehicle is liable for a civil penalty”.

A ‘civil penalty’ IS NOT ‘fine’.

Why the desperate need to tell lies in this way?

> One in seven drivers admit to chucking rubbish out of their car. The
> result is our roadsides covered with everything from coffee cups to
> cigarette ends, dirty nappies to old newspapers. According to the
> environmental charity, Keep Britain Tidy, it costs the taxpayer more than
> £850million a year to clear up roadside rubbish.
>
> To help combat roadside litter, new regulations were introduced in April
> 2018. These regulations mean local councils may issue a penalty notice to
> the registered owner of a car if it can be proved litter had been dumped
> from their vehicle, even if someone else discarded the rubbish.
>
> Dover District Council has adopted these powers and is now issuing
> penalty notices for this type of littering offence. Owners of cars
> witnessed to have had litter thrown from them will be served with a £75
> penalty notice payable within 28 days. Should no payment be received then
> the penalty amount doubles to £150.
>
> If no payment is received during the payment period then Dover District
> Council may register the debt at County Court and a Warrant issued for
> Bailiffs to recovery the debt.
>
> Littering remains a criminal offence under the Environmental Protection
> Act 1990 and our Environmental Enforcement Officers continues to enforce
> this legislation across the Dover District. Under the Environmental
> Protection Act 1990 the Council needed to prove who the person,
> responsible for depositing litter from a vehicle, was. These new
> regulations remove this requirement and the registered keeper of a
> vehicle is liable for a civil penalty.

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Spike

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On 21/05/2023 01:46 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> We have your Number. Our roads are not one giant litter bin. The registered keeper of a vehicle is liable to a fine of £75 if litter is thrown from their vehicle. This is the case even if they were not in the vehicle or did not throw the litter.

That's very harsh on companies supplying cars to their employees or
car-rental companies.
>
> One in seven drivers admit to chucking rubbish out of their car. The result is our roadsides covered with everything from coffee cups to cigarette ends, dirty nappies to old newspapers. According to the environmental charity, Keep Britain Tidy, it costs the taxpayer more than £850million a year to clear up roadside rubbish.

The dirty nappies must surely be something to do with chav-cyclists
caught short nowhere near a village green, surely?
>
> To help combat roadside litter, new regulations were introduced in April 2018. These regulations mean local councils may issue a penalty notice to the registered owner of a car if it can be proved litter had been dumped from their vehicle, even if someone else discarded the rubbish.

"...if it can be proved..."

NB: "proved" does not mean "alleged".
>
> Dover District Council has adopted these powers and is now issuing penalty notices for this type of littering offence. Owners of cars witnessed to have had litter thrown from them will be served with a £75 penalty notice payable within 28 days. Should no payment be received then the penalty amount doubles to £150.
>
> If no payment is received during the payment period then Dover District Council may register the debt at County Court and a Warrant issued for Bailiffs to recovery the debt.

Grammar, Timothy!
>
> Littering remains a criminal offence under the Environmental Protection Act 1990 and our Environmental Enforcement Officers continues to enforce this legislation across the Dover District. Under the Environmental Protection Act 1990 the Council needed to prove who the person, responsible for depositing litter from a vehicle, was. These new regulations remove this requirement and the registered keeper of a vehicle is liable for a civil penalty.
>

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sun, 21 May 2023 15:28 UTC

Drivers could face an on the spot fine of £150 if they are caught throwing litter out of their car window while driving, LeaseCar.uk has warned.

Many drivers may see this as a minor offence however, the act is classed as littering and is a criminal offence on the roads - even if the litter is biodegradable.

A lot of drivers do not realise that some seemingly innocent driving acts could actually see them disqualified in extreme cases.

The motoring experts at LeaseCar.uk have compiled together a list of common things some motorists do often which could actually land them in hot water..

All of these driving acts can be seen out on UK roads daily, but more and more motorists are getting caught out by these Highway Code breaches - so it is important to be aware of them.

Smoking

Although the act of smoking whilst driving itself is not illegal, motorists who are distracted behind the wheel whilst smoking could be fined £100 for "careless or inconsiderate" driving with three points on their licence.

It is against the law, however, to smoke in the car whilst carrying passengers under the age of 18 - this ban was introduced in 2015 to protect young people from second hand smoke.

Swearing

Most motorists can admit they are guilty of a tad bit of road rage, but getting excessively angry whilst driving may be classified as disorderly conduct under the Crime and Disorder Act 1998.

This includes both verbal swearing and offensive hand gestures.

If you are caught being hot headed behind the wheel you could potentially see in a hefty fine of up to £1,000.

Alongside this, you could also be fined for "not being in full control of a vehicle" if you take your hands off the wheel.

This rule particularly applies to those who choose to throw aggressive gestures toward other road users.

Driving with pets

Many drivers will happily travel around with their pets in the passenger seat, footwell or in the boot - but this could land them a £5,000 fine.

Rule 57 of the Highway Code says that all animals must be suitably restrained to not distract the driver.

If your pet is moving around the vehicle, they could get in the way of the steering wheel and pedals, which could cause an accident which could result in the most severe "careless" driving fine.

If you do have an accident, a pet running loose in the car is more likely to be badly injured, as well as being a danger to everyone else in the car

So if you do have a pet, it's best if you buy it a crate or carrier that keeps your pet safely contained whilst you're in the car.

Flashing your lights at vehicles in an attempt to warn others about speed cameras or police up ahead, is commonly seen on UK roads every day - but this act could carry a penalty of £1,000.

This is because headlights should only be flashed to warn other cars of your presence.

So legally you should flash your headlights to indicate the intention to overtake or pass another driver, or to signal a driver who has just overtaken that they can now return to the original lane.

You can also use them to signal or insist that a leading driver speed up or change lanes to get out of the way of a faster following driver.

Rules 110 and 111 of the Highway Code outline when motorists should and shouldn't use their headlights.
Holding your mobile

Most of us are aware that it is illegal to use and touch our mobile phones whilst behind the wheel, which comes with a fine of up to £1,000 and a driving ban.

However, some drivers are unaware that the law actually extends to even holding any device which can connect to the internet, even if not actually using it.

The law still applies if a driver is stopped at traffic lights, queuing in traffic, supervising a learner driver, or using a car that has a start/stop engine when you're not moving.

The RAC says: "If your engine is running, your phone shouldn’t be in your hands".

This sometimes can cause an issue if a driver is using their phone or tablet as a satnav for their journey.

If you are doing this, you need to fix the phone to the windscreen or dashboard, so it’s in clear view while driving - but not obstructing your view - without requiring you to hold or interact with it.

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 by: JNugent - Sun, 21 May 2023 15:43 UTC

On 21/05/2023 04:28 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> Drivers could face an on the spot fine of £150 if they are caught throwing litter out of their car window while driving, LeaseCar.uk has warned.

Really?
>
> Many drivers may see this as a minor offence however, the act is classed as littering and is a criminal offence on the roads - even if the litter is biodegradable.

Throwing an apple core into a rural hedge is an "offence", is it?

> A lot of drivers do not realise that some seemingly innocent driving acts could actually see them disqualified in extreme cases.
> The motoring experts at LeaseCar.uk have compiled together a list of common things some motorists do often which could actually land them in hot water.
> All of these driving acts can be seen out on UK roads daily, but more and more motorists are getting caught out by these Highway Code breaches - so it is important to be aware of them.
> Smoking
> Although the act of smoking whilst driving itself is not illegal,

If the UK took justice seriously, it *would* be.

> motorists who are distracted behind the wheel whilst smoking could be fined £100 for "careless or inconsiderate" driving with three points on their licence.

"could be"

> It is against the law, however, to smoke in the car whilst carrying passengers under the age of 18 - this ban was introduced in 2015 to protect young people from second hand smoke.

And quite right too. It should be an offence to smoke in any moving
vehicle of any description, anywhere within the jurisdiction.

> Swearing
> Most motorists can admit they are guilty of a tad bit of road rage, but getting excessively angry whilst driving may be classified as disorderly conduct under the Crime and Disorder Act 1998.

Haha!
>
> This includes both verbal swearing and offensive hand gestures.
> If you are caught being hot headed behind the wheel you could potentially see in a hefty fine of up to £1,000.

Really?
>
> Alongside this, you could also be fined for "not being in full control of a vehicle" if you take your hands off the wheel.
> This rule particularly applies to those who choose to throw aggressive gestures toward other road users.

Does it apply to chavs on bikes?
>
> Driving with pets
> Many drivers will happily travel around with their pets in the passenger seat, footwell or in the boot - but this could land them a £5,000 fine.
>
> Rule 57 of the Highway Code says that all animals must be suitably restrained to not distract the driver.

I'd have said that that being in the boot will achieve that.

The trouble is always trying to get the cat to keep the seatbelt fastened.
>
> If your pet is moving around the vehicle, they could get in the way of the steering wheel and pedals, which could cause an accident which could result in the most severe "careless" driving fine.

Gerraway!

Who's making that crap up?

A fairy-cyclist?
>
> If you do have an accident, a pet running loose in the car is more likely to be badly injured, as well as being a danger to everyone else in the car
> So if you do have a pet, it's best if you buy it a crate or carrier that keeps your pet safely contained whilst you're in the car.

> Flashing your lights at vehicles in an attempt to warn others about speed cameras or police up ahead, is commonly seen on UK roads every day - but this act could carry a penalty of £1,000.

Tarot, crystal ball or tea-leaves?

> This is because headlights should only be flashed to warn other cars of your presence.

Quote the Act and Regulations, please.

Here's the space for it: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

> So legally you should flash your headlights to indicate the intention to overtake or pass another driver, or to signal a driver who has just overtaken that they can now return to the original lane.

Tarot, crystal ball or tea-leaves?

Or were you the seventh son of some local gypsy woman?
>
> You can also use them to signal or insist that a leading driver speed up or change lanes to get out of the way of a faster following driver.

Can you?

> Rules 110 and 111 of the Highway Code outline when motorists should and shouldn't use their headlights.

"should"

"shouldn't"

Quote the Act and Regulations, please.

> Holding your mobile
> Most of us are aware that it is illegal to use and touch our mobile phones whilst behind the wheel,

No, it isn't.

> which comes with a fine of up to £1,000 and a driving ban.

Only in certain circumstances.

> However, some drivers are unaware that the law actually extends to even holding any device which can connect to the internet, even if not actually using it.
> The law still applies if a driver is stopped at traffic lights, queuing in traffic, supervising a learner driver, or using a car that has a start/stop engine when you're not moving.
> The RAC says: "If your engine is running, your phone shouldn’t be in your hands".
> This sometimes can cause an issue if a driver is using their phone or tablet as a satnav for their journey.
> If you are doing this, you need to fix the phone to the windscreen or dashboard, so it’s in clear view while driving - but not obstructing your view - without requiring you to hold or interact with it.

Gerraway!

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sun, 21 May 2023 16:02 UTC

Artificial intelligence cameras will soon be issuing motorway litterers with fines.

National Highways say it will install the hi-tech cameras in lay-bys in the coming weeks as part of a trial to detect littering.

Unlike traditional CCTV cameras which require enforcement officers to look through hours of footage to find offenders, the AI version will pick out offences, automatically sending them to an enforcement control room.

Then, images will be immediately reviewed and fixed penalty charges of up to £100 will be issued to the person registered to the vehicle's number plate.

To roll out the pioneering technology, National Highways has partnered with East Hampshire county council subsidiary, EHCS, who will manage the cameras.

East Hampshire county council will issue the fines as the highways body does not have the power to take enforcement action.

National Highways has comes under increasing pressure to clean up the country’s road network.

Last month, Richard Holden, from the Department for Transport, revealed that just under 40% of National Highways roads were graded below B for litter, meaning significant levels of rubbish were found.

Freda Rashdi, head of customer journeys at the National Highways, said: “Littering is a social problem across the country and we’re working hard to tackle it on our roads.

“It includes using CCTV in A-road lay-bys to gather evidence to provide to local authorities, who can carry out enforcement.

“We’re also carrying out a trial to understand how message signs resonate with drivers to reduce motorway littering.”

The RAC last month said it fears the nation is reaching a "point of no return" due to uncollected litter piling up on the side of the roads.

Steve Gooding, Director of the foundation, said: “In 1,000 years, we risk archaeologists digging up the past and identifying the 21st-century road network not by the buried tarmac but by the lines of litter that bordered it.”

In March this year, 25 MPs signed a motion to raise awareness of littering on the motorways.

The motion stated: “That this House deplores the huge amount of litter on motorways, access road, junctions and verges; notes that there is a crystal clear legal obligation on National Highways to ensure roads are kept clear of litter; and calls on National Highways to act on this obligation, use motorway gantries to promote anti-littering messaging, ensure staff and contractors remove signs, sandbags and cones following roadworks in a timely manner and ensure contracts include financial penalties for not doing so.”

Drivers can report littering on the roads to National Highways.

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 by: Spike - Sun, 21 May 2023 21:19 UTC

This is yet another report, that appears to have been written by an
ignoramus who does not understand the difference between a ‘fine’ and a
‘penalty’.

County Councils can not issue fines.

Perhaps whoever wrote this rubbish should run it past an AI bot, unless it
was produced by one - in which case it should have been reviewed by a human
with a modicum of education.

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> Artificial intelligence cameras will soon be issuing motorway litterers with fines.
>
> National Highways say it will install the hi-tech cameras in lay-bys in
> the coming weeks as part of a trial to detect littering.
>
> Unlike traditional CCTV cameras which require enforcement officers to
> look through hours of footage to find offenders, the AI version will pick
> out offences, automatically sending them to an enforcement control room.
>
> Then, images will be immediately reviewed and fixed penalty charges of up
> to £100 will be issued to the person registered to the vehicle's number plate.
>
> To roll out the pioneering technology, National Highways has partnered
> with East Hampshire county council subsidiary, EHCS, who will manage the cameras.
>
> East Hampshire county council will issue the fines as the highways body
> does not have the power to take enforcement action.
>
> National Highways has comes under increasing pressure to clean up the
> country’s road network.
>
> Last month, Richard Holden, from the Department for Transport, revealed
> that just under 40% of National Highways roads were graded below B for
> litter, meaning significant levels of rubbish were found.
>
> Freda Rashdi, head of customer journeys at the National Highways, said:
> “Littering is a social problem across the country and we’re working hard
> to tackle it on our roads.
>
> “It includes using CCTV in A-road lay-bys to gather evidence to provide
> to local authorities, who can carry out enforcement.
>
> “We’re also carrying out a trial to understand how message signs resonate
> with drivers to reduce motorway littering.”
>
> The RAC last month said it fears the nation is reaching a "point of no
> return" due to uncollected litter piling up on the side of the roads.
>
> Steve Gooding, Director of the foundation, said: “In 1,000 years, we risk
> archaeologists digging up the past and identifying the 21st-century road
> network not by the buried tarmac but by the lines of litter that bordered it.”
>
> In March this year, 25 MPs signed a motion to raise awareness of
> littering on the motorways.
>
> The motion stated: “That this House deplores the huge amount of litter on
> motorways, access road, junctions and verges; notes that there is a
> crystal clear legal obligation on National Highways to ensure roads are
> kept clear of litter; and calls on National Highways to act on this
> obligation, use motorway gantries to promote anti-littering messaging,
> ensure staff and contractors remove signs, sandbags and cones following
> roadworks in a timely manner and ensure contracts include financial
> penalties for not doing so.”
>
> Drivers can report littering on the roads to National Highways.
>

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Mon, 22 May 2023 04:44 UTC

More than 13 million drivers are littering on Britain’s roads, risking fines and putting other drivers at risk, new research shows.

UK drivers were polled by car leasing company Leasing Options on their attitudes to littering, with 35% admitting to throwing rubbish out of their car window.

The results show younger drivers were the worst culprits, with a huge 64% of 18 to 24 year olds polled admitting to littering, compared to just 10% of drivers aged over 65.

There were also huge regional differences exposed in the research, with drivers much more likely to litter in Scotland than England or Wales.

More than half (52%) of motorists in Edinburgh and Glasgow admitted to throwing their rubbish out of the window, compared to 34% in London and 33% in Cardiff.

The research also revealed that male drivers are more likely to litter than female drivers, with 41% of men polled confessing to dumping their rubbish, compared to 29% of women.

New measures announced by the Government earlier this year could mean local councils will have the power to fine vehicle owners if litter is thrown from it as part of a nationwide effort to reduce the amount of rubbish on Britain’s major roads.

Civil Enforcement Officers in London already have the power to issue a penalty charge notice if they have reason to believe litter was thrown from a vehicle and the Litter Strategy for England puts forward proposals to extend this to the rest of the country.

Mike Thompson, Brand Manager at Leasing Options, said: “From the state of many roads and motorways across the country, it’s clear that penalties are not harsh enough to deter motorists from littering.

“It’s concerning to see young drivers are the worst culprits for littering as these drivers are likely to be on the roads for many years to come.

“Although it will always be difficult to identify those who throw litter from their cars, greater powers should be given to local councils to fine drivers to make them think twice before they drop rubbish out their window.”

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 by: Spike - Mon, 22 May 2023 07:53 UTC

This is yet another report, that appears to have been written by an
ignoramus who does not understand the difference between a ‘fine’ and a
‘penalty’.

County Councils can not issue fines.

Perhaps whoever wrote this rubbish should run it past an AI bot, unless it
was produced by one - in which case it should have been reviewed by a human
with a modicum of education.

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> More than 13 million drivers are littering on Britain’s roads, risking
> fines and putting other drivers at risk, new research shows.
>
> UK drivers were polled by car leasing company Leasing Options on their
> attitudes to littering, with 35% admitting to throwing rubbish out of their car window.
>
> The results show younger drivers were the worst culprits, with a huge 64%
> of 18 to 24 year olds polled admitting to littering, compared to just 10%
> of drivers aged over 65.
>
> There were also huge regional differences exposed in the research, with
> drivers much more likely to litter in Scotland than England or Wales.
>
> More than half (52%) of motorists in Edinburgh and Glasgow admitted to
> throwing their rubbish out of the window, compared to 34% in London and 33% in Cardiff.
>
> The research also revealed that male drivers are more likely to litter
> than female drivers, with 41% of men polled confessing to dumping their
> rubbish, compared to 29% of women.
>
> New measures announced by the Government earlier this year could mean
> local councils will have the power to fine vehicle owners if litter is
> thrown from it as part of a nationwide effort to reduce the amount of
> rubbish on Britain’s major roads.
>
> Civil Enforcement Officers in London already have the power to issue a
> penalty charge notice if they have reason to believe litter was thrown
> from a vehicle and the Litter Strategy for England puts forward proposals
> to extend this to the rest of the country.
>
> Mike Thompson, Brand Manager at Leasing Options, said: “From the state of
> many roads and motorways across the country, it’s clear that penalties
> are not harsh enough to deter motorists from littering.
>
> “It’s concerning to see young drivers are the worst culprits for
> littering as these drivers are likely to be on the roads for many years to come.
>
> “Although it will always be difficult to identify those who throw litter
> from their cars, greater powers should be given to local councils to fine
> drivers to make them think twice before they drop rubbish out their window.”
>

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Mon, 22 May 2023 09:14 UTC

A neighbourhood row exploded when a fast food delivery driver threw rubbish out of his car window, infuriating residents of a Derbyshire village.

Mobile phone footage shown to a court captured the driver and resident involved in a foul-mouthed quarrel as the parties exchanged heated insults with each other in Hilton.

During the argument, Abdul Anwar is told "pick it up you dirty b*****d, we live here, you don't, it's your rubbish, pick it up".

On the short clip, the 43-year-old dad-of-two responds by getting out of his car, collecting the trash and trying to put it down a storm drain leading to a further confrontation.

During that, as the male resident involved stands in front of the defendant's silver people carrier, Anwar drives it slowly forwards making connection with the victim.

His solicitor told Southern Derbyshire Magistrates' Court : "It was a gesture rather than a deliberate attempt to cause injury.

"There was an element of hostility and he perhaps lost his temper.

"The incident is difficult to fathom but he acted in a completely out of character way."

The hearing was told how the event took place in Marston Brook, Hilton, on May 6, last year.

At the time Anwar, of Birmingham, was working as a delivery driver for a takeaway in nearby Hatton.

Peter Bettany, prosecuting, said: "The defendant was parked up on a break and was seen to drop rubbish out of his car.

"From there what happened is captured on mobile footage.

"It shows the argument and then the defendant driving towards the man who is shouting at him and standing in front of his vehicle.

"He later said he felt pain where contact was made.

"The complainant was insistent the defendant picked up the rubbish which he did before shoving it down a drain and shouting 'f*** you, f*** off' and then driving away."

Mr Bettany then showed the footage to the court.

After Anwar is seen to drive off, one of the complainants shouts "you're a disgrace, get on your bike," to which the defendant shouts back "f*** off".

Anwar, of Duddeston Manor Rad, Duddeston, failed to turn up for his court appearance and was found guilty of common assault and a public order offence in his absence.

Magistrates fined him £297 and ordered him to pay £50 compensation, £100 costs and a £34 victim surcharge.

They said: "This is all because you threw some rubbish out of your car."

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