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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sun, 21 May 2023 17:00 UTC

From the same deluded liar.

Gammons lapped it up.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fwqs9jhWcAAc3IS?format=jpg&name=medium

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 by: Spike - Sun, 21 May 2023 17:46 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> From the same deluded liar.
>
> Gammons lapped it up.
>
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fwqs9jhWcAAc3IS?format=jpg&name=medium

Get your Gammon swivels here:

<https://www.gammontechstore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=GTP%2D1501%2E&CartID=0>

(Safe)

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sun, 21 May 2023 18:09 UTC

Net zero pledge ahead.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fwq8xuWX0AIm_Zi?format=png&name=medium

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 by: Spike - Sun, 21 May 2023 18:55 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> Net zero pledge ahead.
>
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fwq8xuWX0AIm_Zi?format=png&name=medium

QUOTE

September last year [2020], thanks to low wind speeds, electricity
suppliers were forced to pay wholesale prices of £2,500 per MWh to persuade
gas power stations to enter the market – 50 times average prices at the
time. In July, they briefly had to pay Belgian electricity suppliers £9,724
per MWh to prevent the lights going out in London.

ENDQUOTE

It doesn’t matter that wind generation is cheap to produce, because
electricity is in an international market.

A ‘market’ is a place where buyers and sellers meet, and prices are
adjusted to arrive at the point where supply = demand.

So, if supply and demand are in the situation where demand > supply, prices
rise until it becomes economic to start up costly generation. But, and
here’s the rub, all generators are paid the same for their electricity!

So wind generation, which is cheap, makes a huge profit!

The only losers are the consumers.

Denmark, which has a lot of wind generation, is in the situation such that
when supply > demand, they have to pay to get other countries to take it
away. Norway uses the energy to pump up its hydro storage, and when supply
< demand, they sell the electricity back to Denmark at a huge profit!

Welcome to the electricity generation racket. Al Capone couldn’t have done
it better.

[This explanation is highly simplified to help the dim]

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Spike

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sun, 21 May 2023 18:59 UTC

RenewableUK is highlighting another wind energy generation record, set yesterday evening (Tuesday 10th January) and confirmed today by National Grid ESO.

Wind generated 21.6 gigawatts (GW) of electricity in the half-hour period between 6-6.30pm, providing 50.4% of Britain's power. This beats the previous record of 20.9GW set on 30th December, which was the third wind energy record set last year.

RenewableUK has been tracking the massive amount of electricity being produced by low carbon sources (renewables and nuclear) throughout the winter and tweeting updates every fortnight. Our latest #WinterPowerUpdate shows low carbon power sources produced 82.5% of Britain’s electricity from the 27th of December to 9th of January. This cut gas demand by 1.31 billion cubic meters, which would have cost £2.1 billion.

RenewableUK's CEO Dan McGrail said: "Throughout this blustery winter, wind is taking a leading role as our major power source, setting new records time and time again. This is good news for billpayers and businesses, as wind is our cheapest source of new power and reduces the UK’s use of expensive fossil fuels which are driving up energy bills. With public support for renewables also hitting new record highs, it’s clear we should be trying to maximise new investment in renewables to increase our energy security”.

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 by: JNugent - Sun, 21 May 2023 19:28 UTC

On 21/05/2023 07:55 pm, Spike wrote:

> swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Net zero pledge ahead.
>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fwq8xuWX0AIm_Zi?format=png&name=medium
>
> QUOTE
> September last year [2020], thanks to low wind speeds, electricity
> suppliers were forced to pay wholesale prices of £2,500 per MWh to persuade
> gas power stations to enter the market – 50 times average prices at the
> time. In July, they briefly had to pay Belgian electricity suppliers £9,724
> per MWh to prevent the lights going out in London.
> ENDQUOTE
>
> It doesn’t matter that wind generation is cheap to produce, because
> electricity is in an international market.
>
> A ‘market’ is a place where buyers and sellers meet, and prices are
> adjusted to arrive at the point where supply = demand.
>
> So, if supply and demand are in the situation where demand > supply, prices
> rise until it becomes economic to start up costly generation. But, and
> here’s the rub, all generators are paid the same for their electricity!
>
> So wind generation, which is cheap, makes a huge profit!
>
> The only losers are the consumers.
>
> Denmark, which has a lot of wind generation, is in the situation such that
> when supply > demand, they have to pay to get other countries to take it
> away. Norway uses the energy to pump up its hydro storage, and when supply
> < demand, they sell the electricity back to Denmark at a huge profit!
>
> Welcome to the electricity generation racket. Al Capone couldn’t have done
> it better.
>
> [This explanation is highly simplified to help the dim]

He'll need a dictionary for "explanation".

And probably one for "dictionary".

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 by: Spike - Tue, 23 May 2023 10:26 UTC

When reading this glowing report of the triumphant March of wind power,
from an organisation set up to promote it, keep in mind this:

QUOTE

Advertising Standards Authority ruling

In 2008 the then BWEA was found by the Advertising Standards Authority
(ASA) to have overstated the carbon dioxide emissions displaced by wind
generation. The BWEA and its members had claimed a value of 860 grams per
kilowatt hour but the ASA found this was exaggerated by 100% and ordered
the BWEA to reduce the figure to 430 grams.

ENDQUOTE

Note that the BWEA became Renewable UK in 2009.

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> RenewableUK is highlighting another wind energy generation record, set
> yesterday evening (Tuesday 10th January) and confirmed today by National Grid ESO.
>
> Wind generated 21.6 gigawatts (GW) of electricity in the half-hour period
> between 6-6.30pm, providing 50.4% of Britain's power. This beats the
> previous record of 20.9GW set on 30th December, which was the third wind
> energy record set last year.
>
> RenewableUK has been tracking the massive amount of electricity being
> produced by low carbon sources (renewables and nuclear) throughout the
> winter and tweeting updates every fortnight. Our latest
> #WinterPowerUpdate shows low carbon power sources produced 82.5% of
> Britain’s electricity from the 27th of December to 9th of January. This
> cut gas demand by 1.31 billion cubic meters, which would have cost £2.1 billion.
>
> RenewableUK's CEO Dan McGrail said: "Throughout this blustery winter,
> wind is taking a leading role as our major power source, setting new
> records time and time again. This is good news for billpayers and
> businesses, as wind is our cheapest source of new power and reduces the
> UK’s use of expensive fossil fuels which are driving up energy bills.
> With public support for renewables also hitting new record highs, it’s
> clear we should be trying to maximise new investment in renewables to
> increase our energy security”.

--
Spike

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 by: Spike - Tue, 23 May 2023 14:13 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> RenewableUK is highlighting another wind energy generation record, set
> yesterday evening (Tuesday 10th January) and confirmed today by National Grid ESO.

> Wind generated 21.6 gigawatts (GW) of electricity in the half-hour period
> between 6-6.30pm, providing 50.4% of Britain's power. This beats the
> previous record of 20.9GW set on 30th December, which was the third wind
> energy record set last year.

> RenewableUK has been tracking the massive amount of electricity being
> produced by low carbon sources (renewables and nuclear) throughout the
> winter and tweeting updates every fortnight. Our latest
> #WinterPowerUpdate shows low carbon power sources produced 82.5% of
> Britain’s electricity from the 27th of December to 9th of January. This
> cut gas demand by 1.31 billion cubic meters, which would have cost £2.1 billion. [1]

Using the data from that report…

1.31 bn cu m of gas is equivalent to about 14bn kWh, which at 60%
efficiency for a CCGT is about 8.5 bn kWh of electricity, or 8.5 TWh. The
14-day period mentioned is 336 hours. Therefore gas did not supply (8.5 x
10^3 x 10^9)/336 = an average of 25 GW over that period.

But according to the report, this is 17.5% of electricity supplied, 82.5%
being from low carbon sources.

Therefore, according to the data mentioned in the original report, average
electricity generated over that period was 25/.175 = over 140 GW.

That’s way beyond the capability of the National Grid supply.

[1] Plus…

QUOTE

Advertising Standards Authority ruling In 2008 the then BWEA was found by
the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) to have overstated the carbon
dioxide emissions displaced by wind generation. The BWEA and its members
had claimed a value of 860 grams per kilowatt hour but the ASA found this
was exaggerated by 100% and ordered the BWEA to reduce the figure to 430
grams.[1]

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The BWEA was the forerunner organisation to RenewableUK.

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