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A man has been seriously injured after a crash between a car and a bike, police have said.

Devon and Cornwall Police said officers were called to the crash on Brixham Road, Paignton, in Devon, at about 09:15 BST.

Officers said the man was flown to Derriford Hospital for treatment.

Road closures will remain in place for the "foreseeable future" and people should avoid the area, the force said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-65699855

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 by: Spike - Wed, 24 May 2023 15:45 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> A man has been seriously injured after a crash between a car and a bike, police have said.
>
> Devon and Cornwall Police said officers were called to the crash on
> Brixham Road, Paignton, in Devon, at about 09:15 BST.
>
> Officers said the man was flown to Derriford Hospital for treatment.
>
> Road closures will remain in place for the "foreseeable future" and
> people should avoid the area, the force said.
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> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-65699855
>

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Wed, 24 May 2023 15:52 UTC

NO WONDER.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwyZn7oWYAEfyHg?format=jpg&name=medium

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 by: Spike - Wed, 24 May 2023 16:04 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> NO WONDER.
>
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwyZn7oWYAEfyHg?format=jpg&name=medium

Wow! 108 bikers killed for every 2 car drivers!

How does that work?

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On 24/05/2023 04:52 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> NO WONDER.
>
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwyZn7oWYAEfyHg?format=jpg&name=medium

What's that have to do with chav-bikes like yours?

>

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On Wednesday, 24 May 2023 at 16:52:17 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> NO WONDER.
>
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwyZn7oWYAEfyHg?format=jpg&name=medium

Note those statistics are from road death compo experts.
What would they know?

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 by: Spike - Wed, 24 May 2023 17:35 UTC

Simon Mason <swldxer2022@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 24 May 2023 at 16:52:17 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>> NO WONDER.
>>
>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwyZn7oWYAEfyHg?format=jpg&name=medium
>
> Note those statistics are from road death compo experts.
> What would they know?

They know not to be taken in by an unsophisticated display of the numbers.
Sadly, that’s not the case for the more gullible sections of the
population.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Wed, 24 May 2023 17:59 UTC

Motorcyclists are the most vulnerable transport user group with the highest accident and injury rates per mile of all vehicle users. In fact, government statistics show that motorcyclists are 50 times more likely to die in an accident than car drivers even though the percentage of injuries and fatalities has fallen significantly since 2004 – from 585 in 2004 to 310 in 2021 Gov.uk statistics on motorcycle casualties).

In 2021, 310 motorcyclists were killed in Great Britain, 5,264 were reported to be seriously injured and over 10,000 slightly injured (Gov.uk statistics on motorcycle casualties). Common injuries include head and brain injuries, spinal injuries, broken and fractured bones, skin burns and muscle damage.

One of the reasons for a motorcyclist’s vulnerability is the lack of protection from a vehicle body. When a motorbike collides with another vehicle, most of the force is absorbed by the bike and the rider. Whilst crash helmets offer a way to mitigate some of the potential injuries suffered, they aren’t always enough, and head injuries are the most common cause of death in a motorcycle accident. Motorcyclists also tend to be harder for drivers to see on the road.

Car occupants have highest fatality rates

Cars account for the majority of the traffic on Britain’s roads, so it is unsurprising therefore that car occupants accounted for 42% of road users killed in Great Britain in 2020, more than any other road user group. Cars were the vehicle type most often involved in fatal collisions where other road users were killed in 2020, followed by heavy goods vehicles (HGVs) and then motorcyclists.

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 by: Spike - Wed, 24 May 2023 19:11 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> Motorcyclists are the most vulnerable transport user group with the
> highest accident and injury rates per mile of all vehicle users. In
> fact, government statistics show that motorcyclists are 50 times more
> likely to die in an accident than car drivers even though the percentage
> of injuries and fatalities has fallen significantly since 2004 – from 585
> in 2004 to 310 in 2021 Gov.uk statistics on motorcycle casualties).

ERROR!!!

The figures 585 and 310 are not percentages!

Chart 6: Index of reported road fatality rates by road user type in Great
Britain, 2011 to 2021. 2011 = 100. RAS0201 shows that using 2011 as a
datum, deaths of motorcycle riders have essentially been constant over that
period.

Interestingly, in 2021 pedal cycle users had higher numbers of road
casualties than motorcyclists:

Pedal cyclists 16,458
Motorcyclists 15,838

> In 2021, 310 motorcyclists were killed in Great Britain, 5,264 were
> reported to be seriously injured and over 10,000 slightly injured (Gov.uk
> statistics on motorcycle casualties). Common injuries include head and
> brain injuries, spinal injuries, broken and fractured bones, skin burns and muscle damage.

> One of the reasons for a motorcyclist’s vulnerability is the lack of
> protection from a vehicle body. When a motorbike collides with another
> vehicle, most of the force is absorbed by the bike and the rider. Whilst
> crash helmets offer a way to mitigate some of the potential injuries
> suffered, they aren’t always enough, and head injuries are the most
> common cause of death in a motorcycle accident. Motorcyclists also tend
> to be harder for drivers to see on the road.

Perhaps motorcyclists should lobby for better infrastructure, such as
having motorcycle lanes and advanced advanced stop lines at traffic lights.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Wed, 24 May 2023 19:32 UTC

Motorcyclists in the UK are 66 more times likely to die on the road than car drivers, making them the most vulnerable type of road user, new data has shown.

According to figures from the Department for Transport, the fatality rate per billion passenger miles for motorcyclists was 119.7, compared to just 1.8 for car drivers.

The second-most vulnerable road users were pedestrians, with a fatality rate of 33.7, while cyclists were third-most vulnerable at 29.7.

Despite reported casualties from motorcycle accidents in 2018 being at their lowest since 1979, the number of motorcycle fatalities are at their highest level since 2015 at 354.

Furthermore, while overall motorcycle casualties have fallen by almost 17% over the same time period (19,259 in 2015 to 16,209 in 2018), motorcyclists are more likely to suffer more serious injuries compared to other road users.

Serious injuries amongst motorcyclists accounted for 33% of the total number of casualties in 2018, compared to 21% for pedal bike incidents.

The number of slight injuries reported in motorcycle accidents stood at 10,967 in 2018, accounting for 65% of the total casualties.

There is such a stark difference between the fatality and accident rates among motorcyclists compared to other road users that it’s clear that, despite efforts, road safety for bikers is not improving. This suggests that motorcyclists are putting their lives in danger every time they head out on the road, and this should not be the case.

In this blog post, we take a look at why motorcyclists are the most vulnerable road users and what can be done to improve their safety.

Even though motorcycles are quick and easily manoeuvrable, they are at the highest risk from other drivers as they easily fit into their blind spots, while newer models tend to be quieter, making it more difficult for drivers to hear them.

However, the dangers to motorcyclists do not end there. Many issues arise from a lack of proper road maintenance, potholes for instance, which increases the risk of serious accidents that are unique to them.

We carried out research into the number of potholes in two of the largest cities in the UK - Manchester and London. There are currently 6,783 potholes in Manchester - a 19.5% increase in the number reported in 2018 - and around 34,500 in London.

In addition to motorcyclists being placed in the most danger, when they are involved in an accident, they are more likely to suffer a serious - or even catastrophic - injury, as they lack a protective layer between them and other vehicles, or the road itself.

https://www.jmw.co.uk/services-for-you/personal-injury/blog/motorcyclists-most-vulnerable-road-users

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 by: Spike - Wed, 24 May 2023 21:26 UTC

More old news from Mason.

This report is for 2018.

Anything newer in prospect?

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> Motorcyclists in the UK are 66 more times likely to die on the road than
> car drivers, making them the most vulnerable type of road user, new data has shown.
>
> According to figures from the Department for Transport, the fatality rate
> per billion passenger miles for motorcyclists was 119.7, compared to just
> 1.8 for car drivers.
>
> The second-most vulnerable road users were pedestrians, with a fatality
> rate of 33.7, while cyclists were third-most vulnerable at 29.7.
>
> Despite reported casualties from motorcycle accidents in 2018 being at
> their lowest since 1979, the number of motorcycle fatalities are at their
> highest level since 2015 at 354.
>
> Furthermore, while overall motorcycle casualties have fallen by almost
> 17% over the same time period (19,259 in 2015 to 16,209 in 2018),
> motorcyclists are more likely to suffer more serious injuries compared to
> other road users.
>
> Serious injuries amongst motorcyclists accounted for 33% of the total
> number of casualties in 2018, compared to 21% for pedal bike incidents.
>
> The number of slight injuries reported in motorcycle accidents stood at
> 10,967 in 2018, accounting for 65% of the total casualties.
>
> There is such a stark difference between the fatality and accident rates
> among motorcyclists compared to other road users that it’s clear that,
> despite efforts, road safety for bikers is not improving. This suggests
> that motorcyclists are putting their lives in danger every time they head
> out on the road, and this should not be the case.
>
> In this blog post, we take a look at why motorcyclists are the most
> vulnerable road users and what can be done to improve their safety.
>
> Even though motorcycles are quick and easily manoeuvrable, they are at
> the highest risk from other drivers as they easily fit into their blind
> spots, while newer models tend to be quieter, making it more difficult
> for drivers to hear them.
>
> However, the dangers to motorcyclists do not end there. Many issues arise
> from a lack of proper road maintenance, potholes for instance, which
> increases the risk of serious accidents that are unique to them.
>
> We carried out research into the number of potholes in two of the largest
> cities in the UK - Manchester and London. There are currently 6,783
> potholes in Manchester - a 19.5% increase in the number reported in 2018
> - and around 34,500 in London.
>
> In addition to motorcyclists being placed in the most danger, when they
> are involved in an accident, they are more likely to suffer a serious -
> or even catastrophic - injury, as they lack a protective layer between
> them and other vehicles, or the road itself.
>
> https://www.jmw.co.uk/services-for-you/personal-injury/blog/motorcyclists-most-vulnerable-road-users
>

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Thu, 25 May 2023 04:39 UTC

Motorcyclists are a highly vulnerable group and make up a significantly low amount of motor vehicle traffic on UK roads, yet have a high fatality and casualty rate.

In 2013 it was estimated that motorcycles make up just 1% of total motor vehicle traffic. By 2018 this had decreased to just 0.8% of all motor vehicle traffic. However, motorcyclists accounted for 20% of all road deaths in 2020.

Motorcycles make up just 1% of total motor vehicle traffic yet accounted for 20% of all road deaths in 2020.

Since 2017 this has been consistent with motorcyclists making up between 19%-20% of all road deaths each year while making up less than 1% of all motor vehicle traffic.

Car occupants made up 55% of all fatalities, serious and slight casualties in 2021.

Motorcyclists accounted for around 13%.

Cars and taxis travelled 209.6 billion vehicle miles in 2020; that’s 98.8% more distance than motorcycles travelled, and there were just 669 car occupant fatalities to 291 motorcyclist fatalities.

To put things in a bit more perspective, pedal cyclists travelled 5.0 billion vehicle miles in 2020 compared to motorcyclists 2.5 billion vehicle miles.

However, there were 126 pedal cyclists killed in accidents compared to 291 motorcyclists killed in the same period.

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swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> Motorcyclists are a highly vulnerable group and make up a significantly
> low amount of motor vehicle traffic on UK roads, yet have a high fatality
> and casualty rate.

> To put things in a bit more perspective, pedal cyclists travelled 5.0
> billion vehicle miles in 2020 compared to motorcyclists 2.5 billion vehicle miles.

> However, there were 126 pedal cyclists killed in accidents compared to
> 291 motorcyclists killed in the same period.

That makes motorcyclist death rates approximately 3x that of cyclists,
which in turn have 8x the death rate of car drivers.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Thu, 25 May 2023 08:44 UTC

A motorcyclist was killed following a crash with a BMW X3 near Tamworth. The biker, who was riding a green Kawasaki, was pronounced dead at the scene.

The smash happened at the junction of Tollgate Lane and the A513 in Comberford on Saturday, May 20. Police and medics, including two air ambulances, were called at around 11.15am.

But nothing could be done to save the biker, who was in his 50s. Police said his family were being supported by specially-trained officers.

A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokesman said: “We were called to reports of a collision between a car and a motorbike at the junction of Tollgate Lane and the A513 in Comberford at 11.17am on Saturday. Two ambulances, a paramedic officer, the Midlands Air Ambulance from Staffordshire and the Warwickshire and Northamptonshire Air Ambulance attended the scene.

“On arrival we discovered one male patient, the motorcyclist. He was found to be in a critical condition and ambulance staff immediately began providing advanced life support. Sadly, despite their best efforts it became apparent nothing could be done to save him, and he was confirmed dead at the scene.”

Staffordshire Police is now appealing for witnesses to come forward. A force spokesman said: "We are particularly keen to speak to witnesses or those who may have CCTV or dashcam footage of the area at the time."

Information can be passed on by calling 101, quoting incident 306 of 20 May.. Alternatively, use the live chat facility at www.staffordshire.police.uk or email ciu@staffordshire.police.uk to speak directly to collision investigators.

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