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by: swldx...@gmail.com - Thu, 25 May 2023 09:13 UTC

10 points to the first person to spot what's causing the congestion in Alan's video?

I mean, obviously the answer was going to be ULEZ and LTNs, you know the script by now. Presumably a short distance away there is a shockingly dystopian reality unfolding...

We're not quite sure the video had the effect intended, the replies now full of people pointing out walking, like Alan is so perfectly demonstrating, is one way to move about an eternally traffic-congested city... well, freely. Others suggested how much road space the equivalent number of people would take up if using a bus or bicycles...

https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-live-blog-25-may-2022-301451#live-blog-item-46021

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by: Mike Collins - Thu, 25 May 2023 11:19 UTC

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by: Spike - Thu, 25 May 2023 14:02 UTC

Mike Collins <cmike8828@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, 25 May 2023 at 10:13:07 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>> 10 points to the first person to spot what's causing the congestion in Alan's video?

> Obviously the cause was a cyclist.

One that was staring at his front axle at the time?

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by: swldx...@gmail.com - Thu, 25 May 2023 15:28 UTC

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 12:19:31 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Thursday, 25 May 2023 at 10:13:07 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 10 points to the first person to spot what's causing the congestion in Alan's video?
> >
> Obviously the cause was a cyclist.

Where is the cyclist in this log jam?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1661339833673891842

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by: Spike - Thu, 25 May 2023 16:05 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 12:19:31 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
>> On Thursday, 25 May 2023 at 10:13:07 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 10 points to the first person to spot what's causing the congestion in Alan's video?

>> Obviously the cause was a cyclist.

> Where is the cyclist in this log jam?

> https://twitter.com/i/status/1661339833673891842

In the back of the ambulance that’s out of shot on the right?

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by: swldx...@gmail.com - Thu, 25 May 2023 16:31 UTC

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by: JNugent - Thu, 25 May 2023 17:05 UTC

On 25/05/2023 05:31 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> Mark Williams
> @BlokeOfWords

> It's always amusing when people in cars complain about traffic, with not a hint of irony. You ARE the traffic. And stopping the ULEZ won't create less traffic. In fact, what usually reduces traffic - car use - is lots of traffic jams. Catch a bus.

"Catch a bus..." ...and join in the work experience and job-creation
scheme for muggers armed with knives.

You first.

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by: swldx...@gmail.com - Thu, 25 May 2023 17:09 UTC

Listen... hear it? The calm, quite chat, birds..... can you feel the layers of stress disappearing? now imagine if our cities sounded like this every day... IMAGINE... #airpollution #carfreecities #activetravel #mentalhealth #calm #climateaction

https://twitter.com/i/status/1660988860346650625

AN URBAN PARADISE.

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by: JNugent - Thu, 25 May 2023 17:17 UTC

On 25/05/2023 06:09 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> Listen... hear it? The calm, quite chat, birds..... can you feel the layers of stress disappearing? now imagine if our cities sounded like this every day... IMAGINE... #airpollution #carfreecities #activetravel #mentalhealth #calm #climateaction
>
> https://twitter.com/i/status/1660988860346650625
>
> AN URBAN PARADISE.

For muggers, chavs-on-bikes and other undesirables.

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by: JNugent - Thu, 25 May 2023 18:35 UTC

On 25/05/2023 06:33 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hugo
> @hugohp99
> If all those space-inefficient congestion-causing bathroom-sized mostly-single-occupant vehicles would be replaced by space-efficient vehicles (aka chav-ridden-bicycles) the traffic problem would be solved. Cars don't scale well in cities. Its basic geometry.
>
> https://twitter.com/i/status/1661279120007786496

Please put forward your own ideas for allowing travellers to protect
themselves and their families from muggers and other delightful people.

That's if you have an idea.

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by: Spike - Thu, 25 May 2023 18:43 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> Listen... hear it? The calm, quite chat, birds..... can you feel the
> layers of stress disappearing? now imagine if our cities sounded like
> this every day... IMAGINE... #airpollution #carfreecities #activetravel
> #mentalhealth #calm #climateaction

> https://twitter.com/i/status/1660988860346650625

> AN URBAN PARADISE.

Haven’t travelled much on London Underground, have you?

Overcrowded carriages, people variously coughing, sneezing, burping and
farting, elbow wars for the arm rests, people treading on your feet,
blazing hot in summer, damp smelly atmosphere when it’s raining… the list
of pleasures is never ending.

Then there’s the delays, breakdowns, non-availability of stock, signal
failures, strikes, staff shortages…

It was so inviting that on two different morning commutes of mine, someone
in the carriage died.

Somehow, a bit of birdsong doesn’t quite make up for it.

People who ain’t done it shouldn’t recommend it.

--
Spike

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by: JNugent - Fri, 26 May 2023 01:16 UTC

On 25/05/2023 08:03 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 8:02:35 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>> THIS IS ME!
>>
>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fw_atzGXsCoyBSf?format=jpg&name=small
>
> Rob Curran
> @RobCurran16
> ·
> 8h
> Yes people look so professional at work in wrinkled suits and stinking of sweat. Potentially soaking wet too

Yes, we've all seen chav-cyclists at work.

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by: Spike - Fri, 26 May 2023 06:39 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> LetMeCycle
> @LetMecycle
> ·
> Follow
> Replying to @alanvibe
> 14 people created that mess – there's only 14 cars. Yet in this video
> you'll see around 40 cyclists go by in the same time 8 cars do.
>
> Cyclists do move freely.

Too freely at times. Ask Auriol Grey about it.

> Cars and drivers don't.

Exaggeration.

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by: Mike Collins - Fri, 26 May 2023 08:20 UTC

On Thursday, 25 May 2023 at 15:02:08 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, 25 May 2023 at 10:13:07 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> 10 points to the first person to spot what's causing the congestion in Alan's video?
>
> > Obviously the cause was a cyclist.
> One that was staring at his front axle at the time?
>
> --
> Spike

It does not matter. When something goes wrong in our society it is a cyclists fault.
Some years ago single mothers were the cause of all society's ills, now it is cyclists.
The secret of a well run tyranny is to give the masses a scapegoat to focus their hatred.

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by: Spike - Fri, 26 May 2023 09:36 UTC

Mike Collins <cmike8828@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, 25 May 2023 at 15:02:08 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
>> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 25 May 2023 at 10:13:07 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>> 10 points to the first person to spot what's causing the congestion in Alan's video?
>>
>>> Obviously the cause was a cyclist.
>> One that was staring at his front axle at the time?
>>
>> --
>> Spike
>
> It does not matter. When something goes wrong in our society it is a cyclists fault.
> Some years ago single mothers were the cause of all society's ills, now it is cyclists.
> The secret of a well run tyranny is to give the masses a scapegoat to focus their hatred.

If that is so, the only remaining question is why cyclists should be so
eager to provide reasons to support it.

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by: Spike - Fri, 26 May 2023 09:37 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:20:35 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
>
>> It does not matter. When something goes wrong in our society it is a cyclists fault.
>
> Far right swivels always blame brown people.

Get your Gammon swivels here:

<https://www.gammontechstore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=GTP%2D1501%2E&CartID=0>

(Safe)

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by: swldx...@gmail.com - Fri, 26 May 2023 10:13 UTC

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:20:35 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

> The secret of a well run tyranny is to give the masses a scapegoat to focus their hatred.

Will this do?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxC_2iyWcAElzxY?format=jpg&name=medium

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by: Mike Collins - Fri, 26 May 2023 11:40 UTC

On Friday, 26 May 2023 at 10:37:50 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, 25 May 2023 at 15:02:08 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
> >> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, 25 May 2023 at 10:13:07 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>> 10 points to the first person to spot what's causing the congestion in Alan's video?
> >>
> >>> Obviously the cause was a cyclist.
> >> One that was staring at his front axle at the time?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Spike
> >
> > It does not matter. When something goes wrong in our society it is a cyclists fault.
> > Some years ago single mothers were the cause of all society's ills, now it is cyclists.
> > The secret of a well run tyranny is to give the masses a scapegoat to focus their hatred.
> If that is so, the only remaining question is why cyclists should be so
> eager to provide reasons to support it.
>
> --
> Spike

Thank you for proving my point.

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by: Mike Collins - Fri, 26 May 2023 11:48 UTC

On Friday, 26 May 2023 at 11:13:31 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:20:35 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
> > The secret of a well run tyranny is to give the masses a scapegoat to focus their hatred.
> Will this do?
>
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxC_2iyWcAElzxY?format=jpg&name=medium

No.

I suggest you read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_the_Stars_(trilogy)#Homeworld

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by: Spike - Fri, 26 May 2023 22:05 UTC

Mike Collins <cmike8828@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, 26 May 2023 at 10:37:50 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
>> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 25 May 2023 at 15:02:08 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
>>>> Mike Collins <cmik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, 25 May 2023 at 10:13:07 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> 10 points to the first person to spot what's causing the congestion in Alan's video?
>>>>
>>>>> Obviously the cause was a cyclist.
>>>> One that was staring at his front axle at the time?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Spike
>>>
>>> It does not matter. When something goes wrong in our society it is a cyclists fault.
>>> Some years ago single mothers were the cause of all society's ills, now it is cyclists.
>>> The secret of a well run tyranny is to give the masses a scapegoat to focus their hatred.
>> If that is so, the only remaining question is why cyclists should be so
>> eager to provide reasons to support it.
>>
>> --
>> Spike
>
> Thank you for proving my point.
>

🙄

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