Now that England have went from being a world class team to being a
bunch of lost cricketing souls, who should be sacked?

There's clearly an attitude problem,and there doesn't appear to be a
goal or prize that the team want to move toward.
If the England staff knew how to improve the England team they would
have already improved.

I see a lot of those British bulldog posters around here "what we have
we'll hold", you've probably seen them too. If defending the cricket
world cup isn't enough motivation - maybe bring back national service?

max.it

On 10/26/2023 4:59 AM, max.it wrote:
>
> Now that England have went from being a world class team to being a
> bunch of lost cricketing souls, who should be sacked?
>
> There's clearly an attitude problem,and there doesn't appear to be a
> goal or prize that the team want to move toward.
> If the England staff knew how to improve the England team they would
> have already improved.
>
> I see a lot of those British bulldog posters around here "what we have
> we'll hold", you've probably seen them too. If defending the cricket
> world cup isn't enough motivation - maybe bring back national service?
>
> max.it

Mathew Mott should be sacked for NOT being able to MOTIVATE the team and
FIXING the problems in form and team selections.

It could be curtains for Moeen Ali unless he scores lot of runs in the
remaining matches provided he is in the team.

Joe Root has been a total failure this World Cup but will be retained.

Adil Rashid might retire after WC2023.

Buttler is OUT OF FORM but won't be sacked.

WHY didn't England give the reins to Brendon McCullum as COACH of
England ODI team?

In message <uhdvd4$1lh86$2@dont-email.me>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
<FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> writes
<snip>
>WHY didn't England give the reins to Brendon McCullum as COACH of
>England ODI team?

I don't think he wanted the job. He may have thought that doing both
that and the Test job would be too much, and the Test job was the one
that he really wanted.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

In message <kakkjitpgkq8dd12ngoo6s236tke7a48r8@4ax.com>, max. it
<max@tea.time> writes
>
>Now that England have went from being a world class team to being a
>bunch of lost cricketing souls, who should be sacked?
>
>There's clearly an attitude problem,and there doesn't appear to be a
>goal or prize that the team want to move toward.
>If the England staff knew how to improve the England team they would
>have already improved.
>
>I see a lot of those British bulldog posters around here "what we have
>we'll hold", you've probably seen them too. If defending the cricket
>world cup isn't enough motivation - maybe bring back national service?
>
>max.it

It's strange, given that much the same set of players did so admirably
in the T20 WC at the end of last year. It's hard to believe that Matthew
Mott can be a bad coach, given that he did such a terrific job with
Australia's women, but his position must now be in jeopardy. I see that
Butler has said he intends to carry on, but he may not be given the
chance. However there's no obvious replacement for him, given that
Stokes, Mooen and Root are all of the same generation and probably won't
continue in the ODI side up to the next World Cup (and Stokes already
has plenty on his plate anyway). I suppose they could bring Crawley into
the side and give him the captaincy. Sam Curran might be a possibility -
though he's not covered himself in glory in this WC.

Part of the problem is that, since the 2019 WC, England have
understandably prioritised Test and T20 over ODI cricket. They haven't
played many ODIs and they haven't had a settled side. I don't think that
the Hundred keeping England's best players from playing in domestic
50-over cricket has been a major factor, however, as I strongly suspect
that players from most of the other countries don't play much domestic
50-over cricket either. Most of them seem to have had more and better
organised warm-up ODIs, though.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 7:54:27 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <kakkjitpgkq8dd12n...@4ax.com>, max. it
> <m...@tea.time> writes
> >
> >Now that England have went from being a world class team to being a
> >bunch of lost cricketing souls, who should be sacked?
> >
> >There's clearly an attitude problem,and there doesn't appear to be a
> >goal or prize that the team want to move toward.
> >If the England staff knew how to improve the England team they would
> >have already improved.
> >
> >I see a lot of those British bulldog posters around here "what we have
> >we'll hold", you've probably seen them too. If defending the cricket
> >world cup isn't enough motivation - maybe bring back national service?
> >
> >max.it
> It's strange, given that much the same set of players did so admirably
> in the T20 WC at the end of last year. It's hard to believe that Matthew
> Mott can be a bad coach, given that he did such a terrific job with
> Australia's women, but his position must now be in jeopardy. I see that
> Butler has said he intends to carry on, but he may not be given the
> chance. However there's no obvious replacement for him, given that
> Stokes, Mooen and Root are all of the same generation and probably won't
> continue in the ODI side up to the next World Cup (and Stokes already
> has plenty on his plate anyway). I suppose they could bring Crawley into
> the side and give him the captaincy. Sam Curran might be a possibility -
> though he's not covered himself in glory in this WC.
>
> Part of the problem is that, since the 2019 WC, England have
> understandably prioritised Test and T20 over ODI cricket. They haven't
> played many ODIs and they haven't had a settled side. I don't think that
> the Hundred keeping England's best players from playing in domestic
> 50-over cricket has been a major factor, however, as I strongly suspect
> that players from most of the other countries don't play much domestic
> 50-over cricket either. Most of them seem to have had more and better
> organised warm-up ODIs, though.
> --

englands perfs and their general haplessness doesnt augur well for the
test series after xmas. most of the test batters bar the openers are
playing in the WC and several of the bowlers. if they cant even bat for
50 overs how will they cope in a 5 day match in india? I think we
play the dutch last - that could be the battle of the minnows which
decides the wooden spoon.

mike

In message <b674e672-5472-4777-8a1e-1718b02f73e9n@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>englands perfs and their general haplessness doesnt augur well for the
>test series after xmas. most of the test batters bar the openers are
>playing in the WC

Hopefully Pope will be fit by then.

> and several of the bowlers.

If we're really lucky, Archer might also be fit by then, but I suspect
that they will want to ease him back in T20 matches where he won't have
nearly so heavy a work-load..

> if they cant even bat for 50 overs how will they cope in a 5 day match
>in india?

Well they coped well in Pakistan a year ago, though India are a much
stronger side of course. If England are too worried about the batting,
and the pitches look to favour spin, then three out of Leach, Dawson,
Reham and Jacks might play, with all except Leach being capable batsmen.
If they think two seamers are enough, then I imagine they will be
Anderson and Robinson, though Wood and Atkinson are also likely to be in
the touring party, and if the pitch has some pace then one of those
would also play. It would greatly help to balance the side if Stokes was
fit to bowl at least a few overs by then. One concern is Bairstow's
ability to keep to spin in Indian conditions. As his batting hasn't yet
returned to its pre-injury level, I'd be tempted to go with Foakes.

> I think we play the dutch last - that could be the battle of the
>minnows which decides the wooden spoon.

Yes (though I think its our last match but one).
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On Friday, 27 October 2023 at 10:11:45 UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <b674e672-5472-4777...@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >englands perfs and their general haplessness doesnt augur well for the
> >test series after xmas. most of the test batters bar the openers are
> >playing in the WC
> Hopefully Pope will be fit by then.
> > and several of the bowlers.
> If we're really lucky, Archer might also be fit by then, but I suspect
> that they will want to ease him back in T20 matches where he won't have
> nearly so heavy a work-load..
> > if they cant even bat for 50 overs how will they cope in a 5 day match
> >in india?
> Well they coped well in Pakistan a year ago, though India are a much
> stronger side of course. If England are too worried about the batting,
> and the pitches look to favour spin, then three out of Leach, Dawson,
> Reham and Jacks might play, with all except Leach being capable batsmen.
> If they think two seamers are enough, then I imagine they will be
> Anderson and Robinson, though Wood and Atkinson are also likely to be in
> the touring party, and if the pitch has some pace then one of those
> would also play. It would greatly help to balance the side if Stokes was
> fit to bowl at least a few overs by then. One concern is Bairstow's
> ability to keep to spin in Indian conditions. As his batting hasn't yet
> returned to its pre-injury level, I'd be tempted to go with Foakes.

While Bairstow's ODI batting record is not back to its pre-injury level, his Ashes batting record last summer was his best *while keeping wicket* for over 5 years, although he hadn't kept that much in that time. The fact that he wasn't keeping prior to his injury may be at least part of the reason why his bating was better then.

Of course, unless Stokes can play a full part with the ball, it would be very difficult to get Bairstow in the side as a specialist batsman, and even then it would be tricky unless one of the others is injured.

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:35:12 PM UTC+1, David North wrote:
> On Friday, 27 October 2023 at 10:11:45 UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> > In message <b674e672-5472-4777...@googlegroups.com>,
> > mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> > >englands perfs and their general haplessness doesnt augur well for the
> > >test series after xmas. most of the test batters bar the openers are
> > >playing in the WC
> > Hopefully Pope will be fit by then.
> > > and several of the bowlers.
> > If we're really lucky, Archer might also be fit by then, but I suspect
> > that they will want to ease him back in T20 matches where he won't have
> > nearly so heavy a work-load..

yes thats more likely. if hes too fragile to risk in a odi, i cant see them risking
him for a 5day test [although not many are likely to get that far if england bat
their usual way].

> > > if they cant even bat for 50 overs how will they cope in a 5 day match
> > >in india?
> > Well they coped well in Pakistan a year ago, though India are a much
> > stronger side of course. If England are too worried about the batting,
> > and the pitches look to favour spin, then three out of Leach, Dawson,
> > Reham and Jacks might play, with all except Leach being capable batsmen..
> > If they think two seamers are enough, then I imagine they will be
> > Anderson and Robinson, though Wood and Atkinson are also likely to be in
> > the touring party, and if the pitch has some pace then one of those
> > would also play. It would greatly help to balance the side if Stokes was
> > fit to bowl at least a few overs by then. One concern is Bairstow's
> > ability to keep to spin in Indian conditions. As his batting hasn't yet
> > returned to its pre-injury level, I'd be tempted to go with Foakes.
> While Bairstow's ODI batting record is not back to its pre-injury level, his Ashes batting record last summer was his best *while keeping wicket* for over 5 years, although he hadn't kept that much in that time. The fact that he wasn't keeping prior to his injury may be at least part of the reason why his bating was better then.
>
> Of course, unless Stokes can play a full part with the ball, it would be very difficult to get Bairstow in the side as a specialist batsman, and even then it would be tricky unless one of the others is injured.

i thought TMS said bairstow has a much better average when not keeping wkt in tests,
but when i looked it up, it seemed that when hes keeper its 37 cp to 36 when not.
I would prefer foakes as keeper but if stokes cant bowl after xmas, i dont see how
they can fit foakes in. they will def need 5 bowlers in india.

as for the odi, side the only candidate to replace buttler as cap, bar those who
dont want to do it, and who has enough experience is moeen, but he hasnt exactly
been a success so far this WC, plus hes even older than buttle. I bet stokes
is wishing hed stayed at home letting his knee recover. I know I do.

mike

On 27/10/2023 16:37, mike wrote:
> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:35:12 PM UTC+1, David North wrote:
>> On Friday, 27 October 2023 at 10:11:45 UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
>>> In message <b674e672-5472-4777...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>>> englands perfs and their general haplessness doesnt augur well for the
>>>> test series after xmas. most of the test batters bar the openers are
>>>> playing in the WC
>>> Hopefully Pope will be fit by then.
>>>> and several of the bowlers.
>>> If we're really lucky, Archer might also be fit by then, but I suspect
>>> that they will want to ease him back in T20 matches where he won't have
>>> nearly so heavy a work-load..
>
> yes thats more likely. if hes too fragile to risk in a odi, i cant see them risking
> him for a 5day test [although not many are likely to get that far if england bat
> their usual way].
>
>>>> if they cant even bat for 50 overs how will they cope in a 5 day match
>>>> in india?
>>> Well they coped well in Pakistan a year ago, though India are a much
>>> stronger side of course. If England are too worried about the batting,
>>> and the pitches look to favour spin, then three out of Leach, Dawson,
>>> Reham and Jacks might play, with all except Leach being capable batsmen.
>>> If they think two seamers are enough, then I imagine they will be
>>> Anderson and Robinson, though Wood and Atkinson are also likely to be in
>>> the touring party, and if the pitch has some pace then one of those
>>> would also play. It would greatly help to balance the side if Stokes was
>>> fit to bowl at least a few overs by then. One concern is Bairstow's
>>> ability to keep to spin in Indian conditions. As his batting hasn't yet
>>> returned to its pre-injury level, I'd be tempted to go with Foakes.
>> While Bairstow's ODI batting record is not back to its pre-injury level, his Ashes batting record last summer was his best *while keeping wicket* for over 5 years, although he hadn't kept that much in that time. The fact that he wasn't keeping prior to his injury may be at least part of the reason why his bating was better then.
>>
>> Of course, unless Stokes can play a full part with the ball, it would be very difficult to get Bairstow in the side as a specialist batsman, and even then it would be tricky unless one of the others is injured.
>
> i thought TMS said bairstow has a much better average when not keeping wkt in tests,
> but when i looked it up, it seemed that when hes keeper its 37 cp to 36 when not.

Overall, yes, although his record as keeper owes a lot to 3 series in
2015/16 and 2016, when he was a lot younger than he is now. In 41 Tests
as keeper since then, he's averaged <32.

Also, his average as a keeper in the first match innings (before
keeping) is 51.12, compared to 30.54 in the other 3 innings (after
keeping), which is a good argument for winning the toss and batting,
although I would imagine they would bat first in India anyway, given the
choice. They have only ever elected to bowl first once there - Madras
1981/82, and that didn't work too well, although it ended as a draw.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-india-1981-82-61792/india-vs-england-5th-test-63302/full-scorecard

In his last two Test innings after keeping, though, Bairstow made 99*
(his highest score after keeping) at OT and 78 at The Oval, so hopefully
that's a good sign.

Meanwhile when not keeping, his most recent form was his best, making
over 1000 runs at >66 in the calendar year of 2022.

--
David North

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 12:59:18 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> Now that England have went from being a world class team to being a
> bunch of lost cricketing souls, who should be sacked?
>
> There's clearly an attitude problem,and there doesn't appear to be a
> goal or prize that the team want to move toward.
> If the England staff knew how to improve the England team they would
> have already improved.
>
> I see a lot of those British bulldog posters around here "what we have
> we'll hold", you've probably seen them too. If defending the cricket
> world cup isn't enough motivation - maybe bring back national service?
>
> max.it

to start discussion here is an alternative England team to those who are playing in this WC
John Crawley
Ben Duckett
Ollie Pope
Jamie Smith wk
Dan Lawremce RoB
Liam Dawson SLA
Will Jacks RoB
Matthew Potts RFM
Jamie Overton RF
Luke Wood LF
Josh Tonge RF

RH

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:42:51 PM UTC+11, Robert Henderson wrote:
> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 12:59:18 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> > Now that England have went from being a world class team to being a
> > bunch of lost cricketing souls, who should be sacked?
> >
> > There's clearly an attitude problem,and there doesn't appear to be a
> > goal or prize that the team want to move toward.
> > If the England staff knew how to improve the England team they would
> > have already improved.
> >
> > I see a lot of those British bulldog posters around here "what we have
> > we'll hold", you've probably seen them too. If defending the cricket
> > world cup isn't enough motivation - maybe bring back national service?
> >
> > max.it
> to start discussion here is an alternative England team to those who are playing in this WC
> John Crawley
> Ben Duckett
> Ollie Pope
> Jamie Smith wk
> Dan Lawremce RoB
> Liam Dawson SLA
> Will Jacks RoB
> Matthew Potts RFM
> Jamie Overton RF
> Luke Wood LF
> Josh Tonge RF
>
>
> RH

Think of the positives, you wont have to worry about making the finals and getting beat by India.
I see Bairstow is calling Australia cheats for the ancient Ashes series so just maybe England is saving it
all to beat Australia and hopefully knock them out of the World Cup

On Wednesday, 1 November 2023 at 04:31:38 UTC, wlsut...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:42:51 PM UTC+11, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 12:59:18 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> > > Now that England have went from being a world class team to being a
> > > bunch of lost cricketing souls, who should be sacked?
> > >
> > > There's clearly an attitude problem,and there doesn't appear to be a
> > > goal or prize that the team want to move toward.
> > > If the England staff knew how to improve the England team they would
> > > have already improved.
> > >
> > > I see a lot of those British bulldog posters around here "what we have
> > > we'll hold", you've probably seen them too. If defending the cricket
> > > world cup isn't enough motivation - maybe bring back national service?
> > >
> > > max.it
> > to start discussion here is an alternative England team to those who are playing in this WC
> > John Crawley
> > Ben Duckett
> > Ollie Pope
> > Jamie Smith wk
> > Dan Lawremce RoB
> > Liam Dawson SLA
> > Will Jacks RoB
> > Matthew Potts RFM
> > Jamie Overton RF
> > Luke Wood LF
> > Josh Tonge RF
> >
> >
> > RH
> Think of the positives, you wont have to worry about making the finals and getting beat by India.
> I see Bairstow is calling Australia cheats for the ancient Ashes series so just maybe England is saving it
> all to beat Australia and hopefully knock them out of the World Cup

I can't see Australia failing to reach the SFs even if they lose to England.. A win over either Afghanistan or Bangladesh would probably be enough.

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 7:46:09 AM UTC, David North wrote:
> On Wednesday, 1 November 2023 at 04:31:38 UTC, wlsut...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:42:51 PM UTC+11, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 12:59:18 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> > > > Now that England have went from being a world class team to being a
> > > > bunch of lost cricketing souls, who should be sacked?
> > > >
after that perf by SL, i think trottys days might be numbered too. the mighty
juggernaut rolls on crushing all in its wake. shamis had a spectacular 3 games.

> > Think of the positives, you wont have to worry about making the finals and getting beat by India.
> > I see Bairstow is calling Australia cheats for the ancient Ashes series so just maybe England is saving it
> > all to beat Australia and hopefully knock them out of the World Cup
> I can't see Australia failing to reach the SFs even if they lose to England. A win over either Afghanistan or Bangladesh would probably be enough.

yes i think even 10 points are enough, but i suspect oz wont want to face india
before the final, so will want to win all 3 to make sure.

ATM england talk crap before a match then suffer complete humiliation.

mike

On 11/2/2023 9:55 AM, mike wrote:
> On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 7:46:09 AM UTC, David North wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 1 November 2023 at 04:31:38 UTC, wlsut...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:42:51 PM UTC+11, Robert Henderson wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 12:59:18 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
>>>>> Now that England have went from being a world class team to being a
>>>>> bunch of lost cricketing souls, who should be sacked?
>>>>>
>
> after that perf by SL, i think trottys days might be numbered too. the mighty
> juggernaut rolls on crushing all in its wake. shamis had a spectacular 3 games.

Law of averages will catch up and India could potentially lose the semis
or finals.

I want India to LOSE to South Africa and get rid of BOTH "law of
averages" AND "Complacency".

I really hoped India would LOSE to England too a few days ago but
England was so pathetic they couldn't even chase a meager 225+.

>
>>> Think of the positives, you wont have to worry about making the finals and getting beat by India.
>>> I see Bairstow is calling Australia cheats for the ancient Ashes series so just maybe England is saving it
>>> all to beat Australia and hopefully knock them out of the World Cup
>> I can't see Australia failing to reach the SFs even if they lose to England. A win over either Afghanistan or Bangladesh would probably be enough.
>
> yes i think even 10 points are enough, but i suspect oz wont want to face india
> before the final, so will want to win all 3 to make sure.

Most likely it will be SA vs Aus, and India vs NZ/Pak in the Semis.

Pakis are a dangerous team which is gaining momentum at the right time.
Fakhar Zaman came back into form, Shaheen Afridi is hitting his strides
and on top of that Pakis are THIRSTING FOR REVENGE against India.

NZ can still make the Semis even if they LOSE to Pakis but MAINTAIN a
GOOD NRR in the match and then WIN against SriLanka.

I prefer NZ to make the Semis and LOSE to India.

SA vs Aus Semis will be tough to predict because if Australia WINS the
toss they will most likely bat first and PUT SA under pressure TO CHASE.

Australia wouldn't mind facing India in the finals because most of them
know inside out of Indian players strengths and weaknesses, Adam Zampa
and Maxwell came back into form, they will have Travis Head whom they
missed it the FIRST league games vs India.

If you recall India was 2/3 in the first couple of overs vs Australia on
Oct 5th in Chennai and then managed to win the game because Zampa was
OUT OF FORM on that day.

Australia ticked all boxes now except Smith and Marcus Stoinis who
probably WONT find a place in the team anyway.

>
> ATM england talk crap before a match then suffer complete humiliation.
>
> mike
>
>

In message <485cb79e-9170-44d5-9393-a96195574cd8n@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 7:46:090 >> On Wednesday, 1 November 2023 at 04:31:38 UTC, wlsut...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:42:510 >> >wrote:
>> > > On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 12:59:180 >> > > > Now that England have went from being a world class team to being a
>> > > > bunch of lost cricketing souls, who should be sacked?
>> > > >
>
>after that perf by SL, i think trottys days might be numbered too.

I thought Jonathan Trott was Afghanistan's coach, so should have no
worries.

> the mighty
>juggernaut rolls on crushing all in its wake. shamis had a spectacular 3 games.
>
>> > Think of the positives, you wont have to worry about making the
>> >finals and getting beat by India.
>> > I see Bairstow is calling Australia cheats for the ancient Ashes
>> >series so just maybe England is saving it
>> > all to beat Australia and hopefully knock them out of the World Cup
>> I can't see Australia failing to reach the SFs even if they lose to
>>England. A win over either Afghanistan or Bangladesh would probably be
>>enough.
>
>yes i think even 10 points are enough, but i suspect oz wont want to face india
>before the final, so will want to win all 3 to make sure.
>
>ATM england talk crap before a match then suffer complete humiliation.

Looks as if India, SA and Australia will be three of the semi-finalists.
NZ will probably finish fourth, but could just be overhauled by either
Afghanistan or (less likely) Pakistan.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 6:16:19 PM UTC, John Hall wrote:
> In message <485cb79e-9170-44d5...@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 7:46:090 >> On Wednesday, 1 November 2023 at 04:31:38 UTC, wlsut...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:42:510 >> >wrote:
> >> > > On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 12:59:180 >> > > > Now that England have went from being a world class team to being a
> >> > > > bunch of lost cricketing souls, who should be sacked?
> >> > > >
> >
> >after that perf by SL, i think trottys days might be numbered too.
> I thought Jonathan Trott was Afghanistan's coach, so should have no
> worries.

silverwood damit

> > the mighty
> >juggernaut rolls on crushing all in its wake. shamis had a spectacular 3 games.
> >
> >> > Think of the positives, you wont have to worry about making the
> >> >finals and getting beat by India.
> >> > I see Bairstow is calling Australia cheats for the ancient Ashes
> >> >series so just maybe England is saving it
> >> > all to beat Australia and hopefully knock them out of the World Cup
> >> I can't see Australia failing to reach the SFs even if they lose to
> >>England. A win over either Afghanistan or Bangladesh would probably be
> >>enough.
> >
> >yes i think even 10 points are enough, but i suspect oz wont want to face india
> >before the final, so will want to win all 3 to make sure.
> >
> >ATM england talk crap before a match then suffer complete humiliation.
> Looks as if India, SA and Australia will be three of the semi-finalists.
> NZ will probably finish fourth, but could just be overhauled by either
> Afghanistan or (less likely) Pakistan.

after nz excellent start theyve fallen short when up against the big guns,
not helped by absence of kane, southie etc for much of the tourny.
but ravindras been 1 of the stars of the show, although i'm surprised
they havnt used sodhi so far.

mike

On 02/11/2023 18:09, John Hall wrote:
> In message <485cb79e-9170-44d5-9393-a96195574cd8n@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>> On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 7:46:090 >> On Wednesday, 1 November
>> 2023 at 04:31:38 UTC, wlsut...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:42:510 >> >wrote:
>>> > > On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 12:59:180 >> > > > Now that
>>> England have went from being a world class team to being a
>>> > > > bunch of lost cricketing souls, who should be sacked?
>>> > > >
>>
>> after that perf by SL, i think trottys days might be numbered too.
>
> I thought Jonathan Trott was Afghanistan's coach, so should have no
> worries.
>
>> the mighty
>> juggernaut rolls on crushing all in its wake. shamis had a spectacular
>> 3 games.
>>
>>> > Think of the positives, you wont have to worry about making the
>>> >finals and getting beat by India.
>>> > I see Bairstow is calling Australia cheats for the ancient Ashes
>>> >series so just maybe England is saving it
>>> > all to beat Australia and hopefully knock them out of the World Cup
>>> I can't see Australia failing to reach the SFs even if they lose to
>>> England. A win over either Afghanistan or Bangladesh would probably
>>> be enough.
>>
>> yes i think even 10 points are enough, but i suspect oz wont want to
>> face india
>> before the final, so will want to win all 3 to make sure.
>>
>> ATM england  talk crap before a match then suffer complete humiliation.
>
>
> Looks as if India, SA and Australia will be three of the semi-finalists.
> NZ will probably finish fourth, but could just be overhauled by either
> Afghanistan or (less likely) Pakistan.

I think Pakistan is more likely, because they are playing New Zealand
next, and they also have a better NRR than Afghanistan. If NZ beat
Pakistan, they are very unlikely not to qualify (Afghanistan would
probably have to beat both Aus and SA, and NZ would have to lose to SL).

If NZ lose to Pak but beat SL, they will probably qualify unless Afg win
both of their matches.

If NZ lose to Pak and SL, Pak will probably qualify if they beat
England, unless Afg win both of their matches.

Only if NZ lose to Pak and SL, and Pak lose to Eng, do Afg only
realisticallly need to win one of their matches (unless that win is
against Aus, who also lose to Eng and Ban).

--
David North