That is REALLY bad sportsmanship from Bangladesh.

It appears there was something WRONG with his Helmet Strap.

=====================================================================

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/bangladesh-vs-sri-lanka-38th-match-1384429/ball-by-ball-commentary

The reasoning is that you have to be ready to face a ball within two
minutes of the fall of a wicket, and Mathews was not.

Oh my. Angelo Mathews has been given OUT, timed out. He has not faced a
ball.

Animated discussion between Mathews and the umpire. Mathews arguing that
there was something wrong with the strap. Shakib and Bangladesh though
have appealed as they argue the batter has timed out.

Angelo Mathews enters the fray. Bit of a delay here though, as there
seems to be something wrong with Mathews' helmet. Think he might have
brought the wrong helmet here.

The reasoning is that you have to be ready to face a ball within two
minutes of the fall of a wicket, and Mathews was not. A first in
international cricket, says Russel Arnold on air.

On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 02:30:26 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
<FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:

>
>
>That is REALLY bad sportsmanship from Bangladesh.
>
>It appears there was something WRONG with his Helmet Strap.
>
>
>=====================================================================
>
>
>https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/bangladesh-vs-sri-lanka-38th-match-1384429/ball-by-ball-commentary
>
>The reasoning is that you have to be ready to face a ball within two
>minutes of the fall of a wicket, and Mathews was not.
>
>
I'm listening to all the various mitigations.
Everyone keeps repeating that Mathews was ready. Well, if he actually
was ready he wouldn't have caused the delay that got him dismissed.

The law is there for a very good reason, if that law is altered to
suit whoever at will then other consequences will follow.

max.it

On 11/6/2023 4:45 AM, max.it wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 02:30:26 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
> <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> That is REALLY bad sportsmanship from Bangladesh.
>>
>> It appears there was something WRONG with his Helmet Strap.
>>
>>
>> =====================================================================
>>
>>
>> https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/bangladesh-vs-sri-lanka-38th-match-1384429/ball-by-ball-commentary
>>
>> The reasoning is that you have to be ready to face a ball within two
>> minutes of the fall of a wicket, and Mathews was not.
>>
>>
> I'm listening to all the various mitigations.
> Everyone keeps repeating that Mathews was ready. Well, if he actually
> was ready he wouldn't have caused the delay that got him dismissed.
>
> The law is there for a very good reason, if that law is altered to
> suit whoever at will then other consequences will follow.
>
> max.it

It was an HONEST mistake or accident that he brought a helmet with a
broken strap.

So, Bangladesh captain should have withdrawn the TIMED OUT.

Nobody is arguing against the LAW.

These kind of things HAPPEN VERY RARELY and hence Shakib should have
withdrawn the appeal.

But these two teams have BAD BLOOD for a long time with NAGIN DANCES.
So, not surprised that Shakib appealed for TIMED OUT.

On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 05:18:01 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
<FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:

>On 11/6/2023 4:45 AM, max.it wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 02:30:26 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
>> <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is REALLY bad sportsmanship from Bangladesh.
>>>
>>> It appears there was something WRONG with his Helmet Strap.
>>>
>>>
>>> =====================================================================
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/bangladesh-vs-sri-lanka-38th-match-1384429/ball-by-ball-commentary
>>>
>>> The reasoning is that you have to be ready to face a ball within two
>>> minutes of the fall of a wicket, and Mathews was not.
>>>
>>>
>> I'm listening to all the various mitigations.
>> Everyone keeps repeating that Mathews was ready. Well, if he actually
>> was ready he wouldn't have caused the delay that got him dismissed.
>>
>> The law is there for a very good reason, if that law is altered to
>> suit whoever at will then other consequences will follow.
>>
>> max.it
>
>
>
>It was an HONEST mistake or accident that he brought a helmet with a
>broken strap.
>
>So, Bangladesh captain should have withdrawn the TIMED OUT.
>
>Nobody is arguing against the LAW.
>
>These kind of things HAPPEN VERY RARELY and hence Shakib should have
>withdrawn the appeal.
>
>But these two teams have BAD BLOOD for a long time with NAGIN DANCES.
>So, not surprised that Shakib appealed for TIMED OUT.
>
>
No doubt it is unsporting you're right, but in the circumstances for
which the law was designed (bluffing and delaying your way to a draw)
it works like a charm.
Don't forget too the opposition captain can only ask for permission
to withdraw his appeal.

max.it

On Monday, 6 November 2023 at 10:30:28 UTC, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
> That is REALLY bad sportsmanship from Bangladesh.
>
> It appears there was something WRONG with his Helmet Strap.
>
>
> =====================================================================
>
>
> https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/bangladesh-vs-sri-lanka-38th-match-1384429/ball-by-ball-commentary
>
> The reasoning is that you have to be ready to face a ball within two
> minutes of the fall of a wicket, and Mathews was not.

The commentator has got that wrong - it's 3 minutes. It used to be 2 minutes to step onto the field of play.

On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 05:41:54 -0800 (PST), David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>On Monday, 6 November 2023 at 10:30:28 UTC, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>> That is REALLY bad sportsmanship from Bangladesh.
>>
>> It appears there was something WRONG with his Helmet Strap.
>>
>>
>> =====================================================================
>>
>>
>> https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/bangladesh-vs-sri-lanka-38th-match-1384429/ball-by-ball-commentary
>>
>> The reasoning is that you have to be ready to face a ball within two
>> minutes of the fall of a wicket, and Mathews was not.
>
>The commentator has got that wrong - it's 3 minutes. It used to be 2 minutes to step onto the field of play.
>
>

Is this the one?
https://resources.pulse.icc-cricket.com/ICC/document/2023/09/28/d43b480d-033b-4111-bf9c-45f9de69ef9b/ICC-Men-s-CWC23-Playing-Conditions-single-pages.pdf
40 TIMED OUT
40.1 Out Timed out
40.1.1 After the fall of a wicket or the retirement of a batter, the
incoming batter must, unless Time has been called, be ready to receive
the ball or for the other batter to be ready to receive the next ball
within 2 minutes of the dismissal or retirement. If this requirement
is not met, the incoming batter will be out, Timed out.

max.it

In message <9pjkkiluak2skbrlb9bsq7hi1ietk23a0h@4ax.com>, max. it
<max@tea.time> writes
>On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 05:41:54 -0800 (PST), David North
><nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, 6 November 2023 at 10:30:28 UTC, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>>> That is REALLY bad sportsmanship from Bangladesh.
>>>
>>> It appears there was something WRONG with his Helmet Strap.
>>>
>>>
>>> =====================================================================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367
>>>856/bangladesh-vs-sri-lanka-38th-match-1384429/ball-by-ball-commentary
>>>
>>> The reasoning is that you have to be ready to face a ball within two
>>> minutes of the fall of a wicket, and Mathews was not.
>>
>>The commentator has got that wrong - it's 3 minutes. It used to be 2
>>minutes to step onto the field of play.
>>
>>
>
>Is this the one?
>https://resources.pulse.icc-cricket.com/ICC/document/2023/09/28/d43b480d
>-033b-4111-bf9c-45f9de69ef9b/ICC-Men-s-CWC23-Playing-Conditions-single-p
>ages.pdf
>40 TIMED OUT
>40.1 Out Timed out
>40.1.1 After the fall of a wicket or the retirement of a batter, the
>incoming batter must, unless Time has been called, be ready to receive
>the ball or for the other batter to be ready to receive the next ball
>within 2 minutes of the dismissal or retirement. If this requirement
>is not met, the incoming batter will be out, Timed out.
>

It's currently three minutes in the Laws, but there's a regulation in
place for this World Cup setting it at two minutes.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On 11/7/2023 5:41 AM, David North wrote:
> On Monday, 6 November 2023 at 10:30:28 UTC, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>> That is REALLY bad sportsmanship from Bangladesh.
>>
>> It appears there was something WRONG with his Helmet Strap.
>>
>>
>> =====================================================================
>>
>>
>> https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/bangladesh-vs-sri-lanka-38th-match-1384429/ball-by-ball-commentary
>>
>> The reasoning is that you have to be ready to face a ball within two
>> minutes of the fall of a wicket, and Mathews was not.
>
> The commentator has got that wrong - it's 3 minutes. It used to be 2 minutes to step onto the field of play.

MCC rule is 3 minutes.

WC2023 made it 2 minutes.

On 11/6/2023 4:45 AM, max.it wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 02:30:26 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
> <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> That is REALLY bad sportsmanship from Bangladesh.
>>
>> It appears there was something WRONG with his Helmet Strap.
>>
>>
>> =====================================================================
>>
>>
>> https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/bangladesh-vs-sri-lanka-38th-match-1384429/ball-by-ball-commentary
>>
>> The reasoning is that you have to be ready to face a ball within two
>> minutes of the fall of a wicket, and Mathews was not.
>>
>>
> I'm listening to all the various mitigations.
> Everyone keeps repeating that Mathews was ready. Well, if he actually
> was ready he wouldn't have caused the delay that got him dismissed.
>
> The law is there for a very good reason, if that law is altered to
> suit whoever at will then other consequences will follow.
>
> max.it

https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket-world-cup/timed-out-controversy-continues-angelo-mathews-video-evidence-versus-fourth-umpires-version-9017838/

Timed out controversy continues: Angelo Mathews’ video evidence versus
fourth umpire’s version

The day after the game, Sri Lanka's Angelo Mathews shared a video on X,
with time stamps, which shows him standing at the crease and gesturing
to the dressing room for a change of helmet within the time limit

The controversy surrounding Angelo Mathews being timed out during the
game against Bangladesh continued well after the match with the Sri
Lankan player sharing video evidence on Tuesday which shows he made it
to the middle within two minutes — the cut off time for the next batsman
to be ready to take strike after the fall of a wicket.
What evidence has Angelo Mathews presented

Speaking to the media after Bangladesh beat Sri Lanka by three wickets,
Mathews said he had visual evidence to prove that he had made it to the
centre on time. The day after the game, he shared a video on X, with
time stamps, which shows him standing at the crease and gesturing to the
dressing room for a change of helmet (broken strap) within the time
limit. There were still five seconds for him to be ready to face the
ball, according to the video. This was when Bangladesh appealed for
‘timed out’.
What did the fourth umpire say about Angelo Mathews getting timed out

The fourth umpire Adrian Holdstock, who has timer with him, told Star
Sports on Monday, “In the instance this afternoon (sic), the batter
wasn’t ready to receive the ball within those two minutes even before
the strap became an issue for him.” But according to the broadcast
visual, which Mathews put out, the helmet strap came off with still five
seconds to go the clock. Holdstock also added that it was the
responsibility of the batter to have “all your equipment in place.”
An angry Angelo Mathews lashes out at umpires

According to Mathews, Bangladesh appealed only after he asked for a
replacement helmet. Apart from blaming Shakib and his team, Mathews also
put the blame on umpires for not checking with the third umpire about
when exactly his helmet strap malfunctioned. “So, we talk about player
safety. And a wicket keeper for the spinner… they don’t let him keep
without his helmet. So how can I take my guard without my helmet? It’s a
complete equipment malfunction.”

What was Shakib al Hasan’s defence about the appeal?

The Bangladesh captain was at the centre of controversy by appealing for
timed out dismissal. Post-match Shakib claimed that it was one of his
teammates who told him about the rule. “It is in the laws. I don’t know
if it is right or wrong. But I felt like I was at war. I had to take
decision to make sure my team wins,” he said. When asked what would be
his reaction if the boot was on the other foot, Shakib retorted: “I will
be careful so that it doesn’t happen to me.”

What is not clear?

As the video shared by Mathews suggests, he still had five seconds on
the clock when he reached the centre and asked for a helmet change.
While Bangladesh were well within their rights to appeal, the question
is why the umpires didn’t factor in the equipment malfunction. Also did
Mathews tell the umpires that he needed to change the helmet?

On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 23:54:11 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
<FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:

>On 11/6/2023 4:45 AM, max.it wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 02:30:26 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
>> <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is REALLY bad sportsmanship from Bangladesh.
>>>
>>> It appears there was something WRONG with his Helmet Strap.
>>>
>>>
>>> =====================================================================
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/bangladesh-vs-sri-lanka-38th-match-1384429/ball-by-ball-commentary
>>>
>>> The reasoning is that you have to be ready to face a ball within two
>>> minutes of the fall of a wicket, and Mathews was not.
>>>
>>>
>> I'm listening to all the various mitigations.
>> Everyone keeps repeating that Mathews was ready. Well, if he actually
>> was ready he wouldn't have caused the delay that got him dismissed.
>>
>> The law is there for a very good reason, if that law is altered to
>> suit whoever at will then other consequences will follow.
>>
>> max.it
>
>
>
>https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket-world-cup/timed-out-controversy-continues-angelo-mathews-video-evidence-versus-fourth-umpires-version-9017838/
>
>Timed out controversy continues: Angelo Mathews’ video evidence versus
>fourth umpire’s version
>
>The day after the game, Sri Lanka's Angelo Mathews shared a video on X,
>with time stamps, which shows him standing at the crease and gesturing
>to the dressing room for a change of helmet within the time limit
>
>
>The controversy surrounding Angelo Mathews being timed out during the
>game against Bangladesh continued well after the match with the Sri
>Lankan player sharing video evidence on Tuesday which shows he made it
>to the middle within two minutes — the cut off time for the next batsman
>to be ready to take strike after the fall of a wicket.
>What evidence has Angelo Mathews presented
>
>Speaking to the media after Bangladesh beat Sri Lanka by three wickets,
>Mathews said he had visual evidence to prove that he had made it to the
>centre on time. The day after the game, he shared a video on X, with
>time stamps, which shows him standing at the crease and gesturing to the
>dressing room for a change of helmet (broken strap) within the time
>limit. There were still five seconds for him to be ready to face the
>ball, according to the video. This was when Bangladesh appealed for
>‘timed out’.
>What did the fourth umpire say about Angelo Mathews getting timed out
>
>The fourth umpire Adrian Holdstock, who has timer with him, told Star
>Sports on Monday, “In the instance this afternoon (sic), the batter
>wasn’t ready to receive the ball within those two minutes even before
>the strap became an issue for him.” But according to the broadcast
>visual, which Mathews put out, the helmet strap came off with still five
>seconds to go the clock. Holdstock also added that it was the
>responsibility of the batter to have “all your equipment in place.”
>An angry Angelo Mathews lashes out at umpires
>
>According to Mathews, Bangladesh appealed only after he asked for a
>replacement helmet. Apart from blaming Shakib and his team, Mathews also
>put the blame on umpires for not checking with the third umpire about
>when exactly his helmet strap malfunctioned. “So, we talk about player
>safety. And a wicket keeper for the spinner… they don’t let him keep
>without his helmet. So how can I take my guard without my helmet? It’s a
>complete equipment malfunction.”
>
>What was Shakib al Hasan’s defence about the appeal?
>
>The Bangladesh captain was at the centre of controversy by appealing for
>timed out dismissal. Post-match Shakib claimed that it was one of his
>teammates who told him about the rule. “It is in the laws. I don’t know
>if it is right or wrong. But I felt like I was at war. I had to take
>decision to make sure my team wins,” he said. When asked what would be
>his reaction if the boot was on the other foot, Shakib retorted: “I will
>be careful so that it doesn’t happen to me.”
>
>What is not clear?
>
>As the video shared by Mathews suggests, he still had five seconds on
>the clock when he reached the centre and asked for a helmet change.
>While Bangladesh were well within their rights to appeal, the question
>is why the umpires didn’t factor in the equipment malfunction. Also did
>Mathews tell the umpires that he needed to change the helmet?
>
>
All the excuses in the world won't change the fact, Mathews had faulty
kit, which means he didn't check it, that was his won fault, not the
umpires or Al Hasan's fault.
Why would Hasan disadvantage his own team by over riding the law and
handing an advantage to the opposition? That's the opposition that
have broken the law and are expecting special treatment.

Fair play is only fair when is suits.
We've seen that before this season.

max.it

On 11/8/2023 12:19 AM, max.it wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 23:54:11 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
> <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/6/2023 4:45 AM, max.it wrote:
>>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 02:30:26 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
>>> <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is REALLY bad sportsmanship from Bangladesh.
>>>>
>>>> It appears there was something WRONG with his Helmet Strap.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =====================================================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/bangladesh-vs-sri-lanka-38th-match-1384429/ball-by-ball-commentary
>>>>
>>>> The reasoning is that you have to be ready to face a ball within two
>>>> minutes of the fall of a wicket, and Mathews was not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'm listening to all the various mitigations.
>>> Everyone keeps repeating that Mathews was ready. Well, if he actually
>>> was ready he wouldn't have caused the delay that got him dismissed.
>>>
>>> The law is there for a very good reason, if that law is altered to
>>> suit whoever at will then other consequences will follow.
>>>
>>> max.it
>>
>>
>>
>> https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket-world-cup/timed-out-controversy-continues-angelo-mathews-video-evidence-versus-fourth-umpires-version-9017838/
>>
>> Timed out controversy continues: Angelo Mathews’ video evidence versus
>> fourth umpire’s version
>>
>> The day after the game, Sri Lanka's Angelo Mathews shared a video on X,
>> with time stamps, which shows him standing at the crease and gesturing
>> to the dressing room for a change of helmet within the time limit
>>
>>
>> The controversy surrounding Angelo Mathews being timed out during the
>> game against Bangladesh continued well after the match with the Sri
>> Lankan player sharing video evidence on Tuesday which shows he made it
>> to the middle within two minutes — the cut off time for the next batsman
>> to be ready to take strike after the fall of a wicket.
>> What evidence has Angelo Mathews presented
>>
>> Speaking to the media after Bangladesh beat Sri Lanka by three wickets,
>> Mathews said he had visual evidence to prove that he had made it to the
>> centre on time. The day after the game, he shared a video on X, with
>> time stamps, which shows him standing at the crease and gesturing to the
>> dressing room for a change of helmet (broken strap) within the time
>> limit. There were still five seconds for him to be ready to face the
>> ball, according to the video. This was when Bangladesh appealed for
>> ‘timed out’.
>> What did the fourth umpire say about Angelo Mathews getting timed out
>>
>> The fourth umpire Adrian Holdstock, who has timer with him, told Star
>> Sports on Monday, “In the instance this afternoon (sic), the batter
>> wasn’t ready to receive the ball within those two minutes even before
>> the strap became an issue for him.” But according to the broadcast
>> visual, which Mathews put out, the helmet strap came off with still five
>> seconds to go the clock. Holdstock also added that it was the
>> responsibility of the batter to have “all your equipment in place.”
>> An angry Angelo Mathews lashes out at umpires
>>
>> According to Mathews, Bangladesh appealed only after he asked for a
>> replacement helmet. Apart from blaming Shakib and his team, Mathews also
>> put the blame on umpires for not checking with the third umpire about
>> when exactly his helmet strap malfunctioned. “So, we talk about player
>> safety. And a wicket keeper for the spinner… they don’t let him keep
>> without his helmet. So how can I take my guard without my helmet? It’s a
>> complete equipment malfunction.”
>>
>> What was Shakib al Hasan’s defence about the appeal?
>>
>> The Bangladesh captain was at the centre of controversy by appealing for
>> timed out dismissal. Post-match Shakib claimed that it was one of his
>> teammates who told him about the rule. “It is in the laws. I don’t know
>> if it is right or wrong. But I felt like I was at war. I had to take
>> decision to make sure my team wins,” he said. When asked what would be
>> his reaction if the boot was on the other foot, Shakib retorted: “I will
>> be careful so that it doesn’t happen to me.”
>>
>> What is not clear?
>>
>> As the video shared by Mathews suggests, he still had five seconds on
>> the clock when he reached the centre and asked for a helmet change.
>> While Bangladesh were well within their rights to appeal, the question
>> is why the umpires didn’t factor in the equipment malfunction. Also did
>> Mathews tell the umpires that he needed to change the helmet?
>>
>>
> All the excuses in the world won't change the fact, Mathews had faulty
> kit, which means he didn't check it, that was his won fault, not the
> umpires or Al Hasan's fault.

I didn't say its their fault.

> Why would Hasan disadvantage his own team by over riding the law and
> handing an advantage to the opposition? That's the opposition that
> have broken the law and are expecting special treatment.
>
> Fair play is only fair when is suits.
> We've seen that before this season.
>
> max.it

Mankading is NOT comparable to TIMED OUT because non-strikers were
TAKING ADVANTAGE by leaving the crease early Whereas this broken helmet
strap is a ONCE IN A BLUE MOON thing and Angelo is NOT TAKING ANY
ADVANTAGE by deliberately going in with a broken helmet strap.

It was just an accidental thing.

On 07/11/2023 16:46, John Hall wrote:
> In message <9pjkkiluak2skbrlb9bsq7hi1ietk23a0h@4ax.com>, max. it
> <max@tea.time> writes
>> On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 05:41:54 -0800 (PST), David North
>> <nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, 6 November 2023 at 10:30:28 UTC,
>>> FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>>>> That is REALLY bad sportsmanship from Bangladesh.
>>>>
>>>> It appears there was something WRONG with his Helmet Strap.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =====================================================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367
>>>> 856/bangladesh-vs-sri-lanka-38th-match-1384429/ball-by-ball-commentary
>>>>
>>>> The reasoning is that you have to be ready to face a ball within two
>>>> minutes of the fall of a wicket, and Mathews was not.
>>>
>>> The commentator has got that wrong - it's 3 minutes. It used to be 2
>>> minutes to step onto the field of play.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Is this the one?
>> https://resources.pulse.icc-cricket.com/ICC/document/2023/09/28/d43b480d
>> -033b-4111-bf9c-45f9de69ef9b/ICC-Men-s-CWC23-Playing-Conditions-single-p
>> ages.pdf
>> 40 TIMED OUT
>> 40.1 Out Timed out
>> 40.1.1 After the fall of a wicket or the retirement of a batter, the
>> incoming batter must, unless Time has been called, be ready to receive
>> the ball or for the other batter to be ready to receive the next ball
>> within 2 minutes of the dismissal or retirement. If this requirement
>> is not met, the incoming batter will be out, Timed out.
>>
>
> It's currently three minutes in the Laws, but there's a regulation in
> place for this World Cup setting it at two minutes.

Yes - my mistake.

--
David North

On 08/11/2023 07:54, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:

> https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket-world-cup/timed-out-controversy-continues-angelo-mathews-video-evidence-versus-fourth-umpires-version-9017838/
>
> While Bangladesh were well within their rights to appeal, the question
> is why the umpires didn’t factor in the equipment malfunction.

AFAICS, the playing conditions don't allow the umpires to factor that
into their decision. I think they could check with the BD captain
whether he wanted to withdraw the appeal, but that's about it.

--
David North

On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 02:10:46 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
<FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:

>On 11/8/2023 12:19 AM, max.it wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 23:54:11 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
>> <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/6/2023 4:45 AM, max.it wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 02:30:26 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
>>>> <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That is REALLY bad sportsmanship from Bangladesh.
>>>>>
>>>>> It appears there was something WRONG with his Helmet Strap.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> =====================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/bangladesh-vs-sri-lanka-38th-match-1384429/ball-by-ball-commentary
>>>>>
>>>>> The reasoning is that you have to be ready to face a ball within two
>>>>> minutes of the fall of a wicket, and Mathews was not.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I'm listening to all the various mitigations.
>>>> Everyone keeps repeating that Mathews was ready. Well, if he actually
>>>> was ready he wouldn't have caused the delay that got him dismissed.
>>>>
>>>> The law is there for a very good reason, if that law is altered to
>>>> suit whoever at will then other consequences will follow.
>>>>
>>>> max.it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket-world-cup/timed-out-controversy-continues-angelo-mathews-video-evidence-versus-fourth-umpires-version-9017838/
>>>
>>> Timed out controversy continues: Angelo Mathews’ video evidence versus
>>> fourth umpire’s version
>>>
>>> The day after the game, Sri Lanka's Angelo Mathews shared a video on X,
>>> with time stamps, which shows him standing at the crease and gesturing
>>> to the dressing room for a change of helmet within the time limit
>>>
>>>
>>> The controversy surrounding Angelo Mathews being timed out during the
>>> game against Bangladesh continued well after the match with the Sri
>>> Lankan player sharing video evidence on Tuesday which shows he made it
>>> to the middle within two minutes — the cut off time for the next batsman
>>> to be ready to take strike after the fall of a wicket.
>>> What evidence has Angelo Mathews presented
>>>
>>> Speaking to the media after Bangladesh beat Sri Lanka by three wickets,
>>> Mathews said he had visual evidence to prove that he had made it to the
>>> centre on time. The day after the game, he shared a video on X, with
>>> time stamps, which shows him standing at the crease and gesturing to the
>>> dressing room for a change of helmet (broken strap) within the time
>>> limit. There were still five seconds for him to be ready to face the
>>> ball, according to the video. This was when Bangladesh appealed for
>>> ‘timed out’.
>>> What did the fourth umpire say about Angelo Mathews getting timed out
>>>
>>> The fourth umpire Adrian Holdstock, who has timer with him, told Star
>>> Sports on Monday, “In the instance this afternoon (sic), the batter
>>> wasn’t ready to receive the ball within those two minutes even before
>>> the strap became an issue for him.” But according to the broadcast
>>> visual, which Mathews put out, the helmet strap came off with still five
>>> seconds to go the clock. Holdstock also added that it was the
>>> responsibility of the batter to have “all your equipment in place.”
>>> An angry Angelo Mathews lashes out at umpires
>>>
>>> According to Mathews, Bangladesh appealed only after he asked for a
>>> replacement helmet. Apart from blaming Shakib and his team, Mathews also
>>> put the blame on umpires for not checking with the third umpire about
>>> when exactly his helmet strap malfunctioned. “So, we talk about player
>>> safety. And a wicket keeper for the spinner… they don’t let him keep
>>> without his helmet. So how can I take my guard without my helmet? It’s a
>>> complete equipment malfunction.”
>>>
>>> What was Shakib al Hasan’s defence about the appeal?
>>>
>>> The Bangladesh captain was at the centre of controversy by appealing for
>>> timed out dismissal. Post-match Shakib claimed that it was one of his
>>> teammates who told him about the rule. “It is in the laws. I don’t know
>>> if it is right or wrong. But I felt like I was at war. I had to take
>>> decision to make sure my team wins,” he said. When asked what would be
>>> his reaction if the boot was on the other foot, Shakib retorted: “I will
>>> be careful so that it doesn’t happen to me.”
>>>
>>> What is not clear?
>>>
>>> As the video shared by Mathews suggests, he still had five seconds on
>>> the clock when he reached the centre and asked for a helmet change.
>>> While Bangladesh were well within their rights to appeal, the question
>>> is why the umpires didn’t factor in the equipment malfunction. Also did
>>> Mathews tell the umpires that he needed to change the helmet?
>>>
>>>
>> All the excuses in the world won't change the fact, Mathews had faulty
>> kit, which means he didn't check it, that was his won fault, not the
>> umpires or Al Hasan's fault.
>
>
>
>I didn't say its their fault.
>
>
>> Why would Hasan disadvantage his own team by over riding the law and
>> handing an advantage to the opposition? That's the opposition that
>> have broken the law and are expecting special treatment.
>>
>> Fair play is only fair when is suits.
>> We've seen that before this season.
>>
>> max.it
>
>
>
>Mankading is NOT comparable to TIMED OUT because non-strikers were
>TAKING ADVANTAGE by leaving the crease early Whereas this broken helmet
>strap is a ONCE IN A BLUE MOON thing and Angelo is NOT TAKING ANY
>ADVANTAGE by deliberately going in with a broken helmet strap.
>
>It was just an accidental thing.
>
>
>
Like I said fair play is only fair when it suits.
I think it was unsporting to appeal but it was fair.

No accident at all. Being ready to receive the delivery means making
sure that your kit is ready. Had he checked his helmet he would have
had no problems.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse, but all he had to do was take guard
and then pull back and stop play in order to address his helmet
problem.

max.it

On 11/8/2023 5:51 AM, max.it wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 02:10:46 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
> <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/8/2023 12:19 AM, max.it wrote:
>>> On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 23:54:11 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
>>> <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/6/2023 4:45 AM, max.it wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 02:30:26 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
>>>>> <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is REALLY bad sportsmanship from Bangladesh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It appears there was something WRONG with his Helmet Strap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =====================================================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/bangladesh-vs-sri-lanka-38th-match-1384429/ball-by-ball-commentary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reasoning is that you have to be ready to face a ball within two
>>>>>> minutes of the fall of a wicket, and Mathews was not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm listening to all the various mitigations.
>>>>> Everyone keeps repeating that Mathews was ready. Well, if he actually
>>>>> was ready he wouldn't have caused the delay that got him dismissed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The law is there for a very good reason, if that law is altered to
>>>>> suit whoever at will then other consequences will follow.
>>>>>
>>>>> max.it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket-world-cup/timed-out-controversy-continues-angelo-mathews-video-evidence-versus-fourth-umpires-version-9017838/
>>>>
>>>> Timed out controversy continues: Angelo Mathews’ video evidence versus
>>>> fourth umpire’s version
>>>>
>>>> The day after the game, Sri Lanka's Angelo Mathews shared a video on X,
>>>> with time stamps, which shows him standing at the crease and gesturing
>>>> to the dressing room for a change of helmet within the time limit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The controversy surrounding Angelo Mathews being timed out during the
>>>> game against Bangladesh continued well after the match with the Sri
>>>> Lankan player sharing video evidence on Tuesday which shows he made it
>>>> to the middle within two minutes — the cut off time for the next batsman
>>>> to be ready to take strike after the fall of a wicket.
>>>> What evidence has Angelo Mathews presented
>>>>
>>>> Speaking to the media after Bangladesh beat Sri Lanka by three wickets,
>>>> Mathews said he had visual evidence to prove that he had made it to the
>>>> centre on time. The day after the game, he shared a video on X, with
>>>> time stamps, which shows him standing at the crease and gesturing to the
>>>> dressing room for a change of helmet (broken strap) within the time
>>>> limit. There were still five seconds for him to be ready to face the
>>>> ball, according to the video. This was when Bangladesh appealed for
>>>> ‘timed out’.
>>>> What did the fourth umpire say about Angelo Mathews getting timed out
>>>>
>>>> The fourth umpire Adrian Holdstock, who has timer with him, told Star
>>>> Sports on Monday, “In the instance this afternoon (sic), the batter
>>>> wasn’t ready to receive the ball within those two minutes even before
>>>> the strap became an issue for him.” But according to the broadcast
>>>> visual, which Mathews put out, the helmet strap came off with still five
>>>> seconds to go the clock. Holdstock also added that it was the
>>>> responsibility of the batter to have “all your equipment in place.”
>>>> An angry Angelo Mathews lashes out at umpires
>>>>
>>>> According to Mathews, Bangladesh appealed only after he asked for a
>>>> replacement helmet. Apart from blaming Shakib and his team, Mathews also
>>>> put the blame on umpires for not checking with the third umpire about
>>>> when exactly his helmet strap malfunctioned. “So, we talk about player
>>>> safety. And a wicket keeper for the spinner… they don’t let him keep
>>>> without his helmet. So how can I take my guard without my helmet? It’s a
>>>> complete equipment malfunction.”
>>>>
>>>> What was Shakib al Hasan’s defence about the appeal?
>>>>
>>>> The Bangladesh captain was at the centre of controversy by appealing for
>>>> timed out dismissal. Post-match Shakib claimed that it was one of his
>>>> teammates who told him about the rule. “It is in the laws. I don’t know
>>>> if it is right or wrong. But I felt like I was at war. I had to take
>>>> decision to make sure my team wins,” he said. When asked what would be
>>>> his reaction if the boot was on the other foot, Shakib retorted: “I will
>>>> be careful so that it doesn’t happen to me.”
>>>>
>>>> What is not clear?
>>>>
>>>> As the video shared by Mathews suggests, he still had five seconds on
>>>> the clock when he reached the centre and asked for a helmet change.
>>>> While Bangladesh were well within their rights to appeal, the question
>>>> is why the umpires didn’t factor in the equipment malfunction. Also did
>>>> Mathews tell the umpires that he needed to change the helmet?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> All the excuses in the world won't change the fact, Mathews had faulty
>>> kit, which means he didn't check it, that was his won fault, not the
>>> umpires or Al Hasan's fault.
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't say its their fault.
>>
>>
>>> Why would Hasan disadvantage his own team by over riding the law and
>>> handing an advantage to the opposition? That's the opposition that
>>> have broken the law and are expecting special treatment.
>>>
>>> Fair play is only fair when is suits.
>>> We've seen that before this season.
>>>
>>> max.it
>>
>>
>>
>> Mankading is NOT comparable to TIMED OUT because non-strikers were
>> TAKING ADVANTAGE by leaving the crease early Whereas this broken helmet
>> strap is a ONCE IN A BLUE MOON thing and Angelo is NOT TAKING ANY
>> ADVANTAGE by deliberately going in with a broken helmet strap.
>>
>> It was just an accidental thing.
>>
>>
>>
> Like I said fair play is only fair when it suits.
> I think it was unsporting to appeal but it was fair.
>
> No accident at all. Being ready to receive the delivery means making
> sure that your kit is ready. Had he checked his helmet he would have
> had no problems.
> Ignorance of the law is no excuse, but all he had to do was take guard
> and then pull back and stop play in order to address his helmet
> problem.
>
>

Yes, Angelo was very naive.

He could have even just played one ball and then asked for a helmet change.

> max.it