I think the word Mature sounds far better than the word 'legacy, or
unsupported. Having spent the best part of a weekend attempting to make
Windows 10 work efficiently for a blind user complete with accessible
alternatives to software 10 does not like, and failing and this morning
hearing that even their own email client is going to be phased our for
something even worse, it seems to me that Microsoft have lost sight of why
we have computers, IE so we can get stuff done, not so we have to spend our
days fiddling with it. Now there are those here who will say Linux, but no
matter how you look at this, there are certain pieces of software you cannot
run, and the screenreaders are just not up to the standards needed.
I shall win and get a more modern software system, but I'll also keep my
Mature' Windows 7 system until dropbox stops working.
Brian

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On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 09:38:53 -0000
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think the word Mature sounds far better than the word 'legacy, or
> unsupported.

Mature may sound better but unsupported is the ugly truth. No
security updates and an increasing number of applications that won't run.

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In article <ujf9fe$8u9k$1@dont-email.me>, brian1gaff@gmail.com says...
>
> I think the word Mature sounds far better than the word 'legacy, or
> unsupported. Having spent the best part of a weekend attempting to make
> Windows 10 work efficiently for a blind user complete with accessible
> alternatives to software 10 does not like, and failing and this morning
> hearing that even their own email client is going to be phased our for
> something even worse, it seems to me that Microsoft have lost sight of why
> we have computers, IE so we can get stuff done, not so we have to spend our
> days fiddling with it. Now there are those here who will say Linux, but no
> matter how you look at this, there are certain pieces of software you cannot
> run, and the screenreaders are just not up to the standards needed.
> I shall win and get a more modern software system, but I'll also keep my
> Mature' Windows 7 system until dropbox stops working.
> Brian

Mature software sounds like something to access porn.

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On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 17:58:57 -0000
Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

> Mature software sounds like something to access porn.

Adult soft wear.

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"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> writes:

> I think the word Mature sounds far better than the word 'legacy, or
> unsupported. Having spent the best part of a weekend attempting to make
> Windows 10 work efficiently for a blind user complete with accessible
> alternatives to software 10 does not like, and failing and this morning
> hearing that even their own email client is going to be phased our for
> something even worse....

I've been a GNU Emacs user for 30 years, 23 of those on my own Linux
system.

Every time I upgrade my Linux system -- five times now -- I allow the
installation of the most recent version of Emacs. Then I spend
countless hours trying to make new features and putative improvements
to existing features, some of them merely annoying but some of them
disruptive of usability, go away. Then I revert to the version that I
downloaded and installed in 1999. This last upgrade, I just skipped
the countless hours of irritation and went straight to the 20+
y.o. version with which I'm composing this post.

So far, that has worked without recompiling Emacs. I've stuck with 32
bit Linux and all is well.

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On 20 Nov 2023 17:50:39 -0400
Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

Oh Yay vi-emacs wars time.

> I've been a GNU Emacs user for 30 years, 23 of those on my own Linux
> system.

I've been a vi user for 38 years, 30 of them on my own FreeBSD
systems.

> Every time I upgrade my Linux system -- five times now -- I allow the
> installation of the most recent version of Emacs.

Every time I upgrade my FreeBSD system (lost count in the last 30
years but way more than five, I track the current release pretty closely,
it's a painless process, I install the latest vim - and use it without
noticing any changes in the things I use. Sometimes I find a use for new
features - syntax highlighting was nice when it turned up a while back.

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Or cheese?

If we all acknowledge that we want the most productive experience, it surely
cannot be right to re invent Windows every time with a new user interface.
If I were in charge of Microsoft, I'd have made sure the XP experience was
still available in a choice of shell.

Now we are all getting to grips with ribbons, itself a stupid concept, the
new email software no longer conforms to the accepted standard and more and
more buttons are shoved all over the place, some of which are not actually
what we would expect.
As for security, at the moment at least a check with a third party scanner
confirms to me that there is no malicious software. If somebody is hell bent
on hacking a system it can still be done, I'm sure, even on the all singing
and dancing windows 11, which of course won't run on my hardware.
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"Jim the Geordie" <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <ujf9fe$8u9k$1@dont-email.me>, brian1gaff@gmail.com says...
>>
>> I think the word Mature sounds far better than the word 'legacy, or
>> unsupported. Having spent the best part of a weekend attempting to make
>> Windows 10 work efficiently for a blind user complete with accessible
>> alternatives to software 10 does not like, and failing and this morning
>> hearing that even their own email client is going to be phased our for
>> something even worse, it seems to me that Microsoft have lost sight of
>> why
>> we have computers, IE so we can get stuff done, not so we have to spend
>> our
>> days fiddling with it. Now there are those here who will say Linux, but
>> no
>> matter how you look at this, there are certain pieces of software you
>> cannot
>> run, and the screenreaders are just not up to the standards needed.
>> I shall win and get a more modern software system, but I'll also keep my
>> Mature' Windows 7 system until dropbox stops working.
>> Brian
>
> Mature software sounds like something to access porn.
>
> --
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Senior software?

I got a bit annoyed by an advertiser the other day talking about its life
insurance for Seniors.
Brian

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> On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 17:58:57 -0000
> Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Mature software sounds like something to access porn.
>
> Adult soft wear.
>
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Well what would a blind user use as a screenreader. I don't think a 20 year
olsd screenreader would suffice today. The other way out of this would be a
computer which can emulate all the things you would want to do, but be
completely alien to most people.
Brian

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"Mike Spencer" <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote in message
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>
> "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I think the word Mature sounds far better than the word 'legacy, or
>> unsupported. Having spent the best part of a weekend attempting to make
>> Windows 10 work efficiently for a blind user complete with accessible
>> alternatives to software 10 does not like, and failing and this morning
>> hearing that even their own email client is going to be phased our for
>> something even worse....
>
> I've been a GNU Emacs user for 30 years, 23 of those on my own Linux
> system.
>
> Every time I upgrade my Linux system -- five times now -- I allow the
> installation of the most recent version of Emacs. Then I spend
> countless hours trying to make new features and putative improvements
> to existing features, some of them merely annoying but some of them
> disruptive of usability, go away. Then I revert to the version that I
> downloaded and installed in 1999. This last upgrade, I just skipped
> the countless hours of irritation and went straight to the 20+
> y.o. version with which I'm composing this post.
>
> So far, that has worked without recompiling Emacs. I've stuck with 32
> bit Linux and all is well.
>
> --
> Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
> On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 17:58:57 -0000
> Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Mature software sounds like something to access porn.
>
> Adult soft wear.

or Cheese.

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So, if you were blind what kind of experience would you have?

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"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
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> On 20 Nov 2023 17:50:39 -0400
> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
> Oh Yay vi-emacs wars time.
>
>> I've been a GNU Emacs user for 30 years, 23 of those on my own Linux
>> system.
>
> I've been a vi user for 38 years, 30 of them on my own FreeBSD
> systems.
>
>> Every time I upgrade my Linux system -- five times now -- I allow the
>> installation of the most recent version of Emacs.
>
> Every time I upgrade my FreeBSD system (lost count in the last 30
> years but way more than five, I track the current release pretty closely,
> it's a painless process, I install the latest vim - and use it without
> noticing any changes in the things I use. Sometimes I find a use for new
> features - syntax highlighting was nice when it turned up a while back.
>
> --
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> Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
> Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

Brian Gaff wrote:

> Well what would a blind user use as a screenreader. I don't think a 20 year
> old screenreader would suffice today.

Do you pay for a commercial screenreader, or don't you regard them as
better than the free/open alternatives?

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 12:37:20 -0000
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

> So, if you were blind what kind of experience would you have?

Probably terrible.

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On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 12:31:08 -0000
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

> Or cheese?
>
> If we all acknowledge that we want the most productive experience, it
> surely cannot be right to re invent Windows every time with a new user
> interface. If I were in charge of Microsoft, I'd have made sure the XP
> experience was still available in a choice of shell.

The training courses for corporate users are big business.

> Now we are all getting to grips with ribbons, itself a stupid concept,

It is a real shame that there are no decent open source screen
readers for Linux or BSD. Otherwise - Windows just say no.

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On 2023-11-21, Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
> Senior software?
>
> I got a bit annoyed by an advertiser the other day talking about its life
> insurance for Seniors.
> Brian
>

There was a scam before the (last crash), in which people were persuaded
to `release the equity' in their houses for a payment of cash.

It disappeared for a while, as house prices went into reverse, now it is
raising its ugly head again.

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