ECB says Harry Brook has left the tour of india for personal reasons.
Lawrence called up to replace him, but there must be a chance now
that Foakes plays in the 1st test. Later on they said he might return.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/68046659

mike

In message <00438423fe443ac41c49007b9f6d3115@www.novabbs.com>, miked
<dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>ECB says Harry Brook has left the tour of india for personal reasons.

Very sad for him and very unfortunate for the team. Somehow this sort of
thing seems to have been happening far more often in recent years.

>Lawrence called up to replace him, but there must be a chance now
>that Foakes plays in the 1st test.

He might have played anyway, as I think there's a strong argument that
in India you need your best keeper.

> Later on they said he might return.
>
>https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/68046659
>
>mike

Fingers crossed.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 2:45:28 AM UTC+10, John Hall wrote:
> Somehow this sort of
> thing seems to have been happening far more often in recent years.

The "somehow" is ECB leading the way with much better understanding and treatment of these kinds of issues.

In message <ca2baa5c-49c8-4d36-a4f0-8f9d2c5a997en@googlegroups.com>,
jack fredricks <jzfredricks@gmail.com> writes
>On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 2:45:280 >> Somehow this sort of
>> thing seems to have been happening far more often in recent years.
>
>The "somehow" is ECB leading the way with much better understanding and
>treatment of these kinds of issues.

I'm sure you're right.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 10:52:23 +0000, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <ca2baa5c-49c8-4d36-a4f0-8f9d2c5a997en@googlegroups.com>,
>jack fredricks <jzfredricks@gmail.com> writes
>>On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 2:45:280 >> Somehow this sort of
>>> thing seems to have been happening far more often in recent years.
>>
>>The "somehow" is ECB leading the way with much better understanding and
>>treatment of these kinds of issues.
>
>I'm sure you're right.
>
>
What kind of issues?

max.it

On 1/21/2024 6:41 AM, miked wrote:
> ECB says Harry Brook has left the tour of india for personal reasons.
> Lawrence called up to replace him, but there must be a chance now
> that Foakes plays in the 1st test. Later on they said he might return.
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/68046659
>
> mike

NOW Virat Kohil WON'T be playing the first two tests for "personal reasons".

I was hoping to catch a glimpse of Kohli's batting live but my bad, it's
no longer going to happen in the first test match at Hyderabad.

John Hall wrote:

> In message <00438423fe443ac41c49007b9f6d3115@www.novabbs.com>, miked
> <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>ECB says Harry Brook has left the tour of india for personal reasons.

> Very sad for him and very unfortunate for the team. Somehow this sort of
> thing seems to have been happening far more often in recent years.

>>Lawrence called up to replace him, but there must be a chance now
>>that Foakes plays in the 1st test.

> He might have played anyway, as I think there's a strong argument that
> in India you need your best keeper.

totally agree, but on reflection i do wonder why they chose lawrence
over jennings or bohannon who are in india ATM, whereas DL has just
been wacking a few nobbos in the BBL. i spose DL is more middle order,
plus he supposedly bowls spin.

they say bashirs visa been delayed and hes still in abu dabi, i hope
its not a repeat of mahmoods visa story.

mike

In message <804d2baea67ca316bc0a3add94bf26a8@www.novabbs.com>, miked
<dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>John Hall wrote:
>
>> In message <00438423fe443ac41c49007b9f6d3115@www.novabbs.com>, miked
>><dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>>ECB says Harry Brook has left the tour of india for personal reasons.
>
>> Very sad for him and very unfortunate for the team. Somehow this sort
>>of thing seems to have been happening far more often in recent years.
>
>>>Lawrence called up to replace him, but there must be a chance now
>>>that Foakes plays in the 1st test.
>
>> He might have played anyway, as I think there's a strong argument
>>that in India you need your best keeper.
>
>totally agree, but on reflection i do wonder why they chose lawrence
>over jennings or bohannon who are in india ATM, whereas DL has just
>been wacking a few nobbos in the BBL. i spose DL is more middle order,
>plus he supposedly bowls spin.
>
>they say bashirs visa been delayed and hes still in abu dabi, i hope
>its not a repeat of mahmoods visa story.
>
>mike

Apparently Reham Ahmed hasn't had a problem.

Meanwhile I see that Virat Kohli is going to miss the first two Tests,
also to sort out a personal issue, which will even up the odds a little.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

In message <jglsqit3ijpnmsep43uorihjhpdoi655jf@4ax.com>, max. it
<max@tea.time> writes
>On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 10:52:23 +0000, John Hall
><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <ca2baa5c-49c8-4d36-a4f0-8f9d2c5a997en@googlegroups.com>,
>>jack fredricks <jzfredricks@gmail.com> writes
>>>On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 2:45:280 >> Somehow this sort of
>>>> thing seems to have been happening far more often in recent years.
>>>
>>>The "somehow" is ECB leading the way with much better understanding and
>>>treatment of these kinds of issues.
>>
>>I'm sure you're right.
>>
>>
>What kind of issues?
>
>max.it

It can cover a whole range of things: close relative very ill or dying,
depression, and no doubt several more.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On Monday 22 January 2024 at 18:22:55 UTC, John Hall wrote:
> In message <jglsqit3ijpnmsep4...@4ax.com>, max. it
> <m...@tea.time> writes
> >On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 10:52:23 +0000, John Hall
> ><john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>In message <ca2baa5c-49c8-4d36...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>jack fredricks <jzfre...@gmail.com> writes
> >>>On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 2:45:280 >> Somehow this sort of
> >>>> thing seems to have been happening far more often in recent years.
> >>>
> >>>The "somehow" is ECB leading the way with much better understanding and
> >>>treatment of these kinds of issues.
> >>
> >>I'm sure you're right.
> >>
> >>
> >What kind of issues?
> >
> >max.it
> It can cover a whole range of things: close relative very ill or dying,
> depression, and no doubt several more.

Probably a family matter in this case; if it was depression or similar, I doubt that they would have said that he might return later in the series.

On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 16:36:17 +0000, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <00438423fe443ac41c49007b9f6d3115@www.novabbs.com>, miked
><dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>ECB says Harry Brook has left the tour of india for personal reasons.
>
>Very sad for him and very unfortunate for the team. Somehow this sort of
>thing seems to have been happening far more often in recent years.
>
>>Lawrence called up to replace him, but there must be a chance now
>>that Foakes plays in the 1st test.
>
>He might have played anyway, as I think there's a strong argument that
>in India you need your best keeper.

He's confirmed now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/68069983

max.it

>
>> Later on they said he might return.
>>
>>https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/68046659
>>
>>mike
>
>Fingers crossed.

max.it wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 16:36:17 +0000, John Hall
> <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>>In message <00438423fe443ac41c49007b9f6d3115@www.novabbs.com>, miked
>><dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>>ECB says Harry Brook has left the tour of india for personal reasons.
>>
>>Very sad for him and very unfortunate for the team. Somehow this sort of
>>thing seems to have been happening far more often in recent years.
>>
>>>Lawrence called up to replace him, but there must be a chance now
>>>that Foakes plays in the 1st test.
>>
>>He might have played anyway, as I think there's a strong argument that
>>in India you need your best keeper.

> He's confirmed now.
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/68069983

Bashir returning to UK now. Seems weird england are prep to play
2 frontline left arm spinners. happen before? Did edmunds and underwood
ever play together? Their lack of foresight in selection of a
proven offy is biting them back already. I think when India
objected to Gooch touring india with england, the ECB called off
the tour, as they did when RSA objected to Dolly. Too frit or cant afford
to do so now. Something odd to the Brook story but i missed it on the
radio.

mike

In message <0ed5f18ca8f7b766af638210ba7a6628@www.novabbs.com>, miked
<dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>Bashir returning to UK now.

Apparently his visa has now been approved but he has to have it stamped
in his passport by the Indian High Commission in London. But he will
definitely be unavailable for the first Test and might not be considered
for the second either.

> Seems weird england are prep to play
>2 frontline left arm spinners.

Perhaps because most of the Indian top-order batsmen are right-handers?
It could be that Hartley won''t play, though, and the spin will be left
to Leach and Reham Ahmed. England will also have Root's non-negligible
off-spin, of course.

> happen before? Did edmunds and underwood
>ever play together?

I suspect that they occasionally did, though I can't provide chapter and
verse.

> Their lack of foresight in selection of a
>proven offy is biting them back already.

I was surprised that neither Dawson nor Jacks was chosen - though I
suppose Jacks isn't all that proven either.

> I think when India
>objected to Gooch touring india with england, the ECB called off
>the tour,

I don't remember that.

> as they did when RSA objected to Dolly. Too frit or cant afford
>to do so now.

A writer in my newspaper thinks it should be called off, but given that
his visa has apparently now come through I think that would be an
over-reaction.

> Something odd to the Brook story but i missed it on the
>radio.

Now you have me intrigued.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 9:55:19 AM UTC+11, miked wrote:

> Bashir returning to UK now. Seems weird england are prep to play
> 2 frontline left arm spinners. happen before? Did edmunds and underwood
> ever play together?

The both played in Edmonds' debut match, it looks like they played a total of 2 tests together but I might have missed one

> Their lack of foresight in selection of a
> proven offy is biting them back already.

What proven offie is there they could pick?

>I think when India
> objected to Gooch touring india with england, the ECB called off
> the tour,

Yes.

>as they did when RSA objected to Dolly. Too frit or cant afford to do so now.

There's a bit of a difference between a delay processing a visa for one player and a blanket denial of visas for 8 players in 88

>Something odd to the Brook story but i missed it on the radio.
>
I can't find anything more than "left the tour for personal reasons"

On Wednesday 24 January 2024 at 10:23:07 UTC, John Hall wrote:
> In message <0ed5f18ca8f7b766...@www.novabbs.com>, miked
> <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >Bashir returning to UK now.
> Apparently his visa has now been approved but he has to have it stamped
> in his passport by the Indian High Commission in London. But he will
> definitely be unavailable for the first Test and might not be considered
> for the second either.
> > Seems weird england are prep to play
> >2 frontline left arm spinners.
> Perhaps because most of the Indian top-order batsmen are right-handers?
> It could be that Hartley won''t play, though, and the spin will be left
> to Leach and Reham Ahmed.

All three will play, apparently.

England will also have Root's non-negligible
> off-spin, of course.
> > happen before?

The last time appears to be in India in 2012/13 when Panesar and Samit Patel played alongside Swann in two Tests. Patel only got 5 overs in total though. He did get 9 overs in each innings, and took a couple of wickets, in Galle the previous winter as part of the same trio.

Ian Blackwell's only Test was with Panesar (also on debut) at Nagpur in 2005/06.

I don't know how "frontline" you'd call Chris Balderstone, but he bowled 16 overs at The Oval in 1976 when Viv Richards made his 291. Underwood was the main spinner, and Steele also bowled 3 overs. 3 off-spinners were also used (Miller, Greig and Willey).

> Did edmunds and underwood
> >ever play together?

Edmonds's first two Tests, as Hamish mentioned. Underwood also played twice with Norman Gifford; they bowled 100 overs in one innings between them at Hyderabad (Pakistan) in 1972/73, with Pat Pocock also bowling 52 overs of off-spin. Underwood also played alongside Don Wilson at Christchurch in 1970/71.

Going back to the 19th century, Bobby Peel and Johnny Briggs played together several times.