Has England been preparing test pitches deliberately to thwart Indian
Spinners?

India's home dominance: Cherish it, and don't take it for granted

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ind-vs-eng-india-home-dominance-cherish-it-and-dont-take-it-for-granted-1417008

It can be argued that these two have been so good that at least three of
the countries they travel to have started preparing pitches that
eliminate their whole discipline of bowling. In the recently concluded
series in South Africa, the hosts didn't bowl a single delivery of spin.
New Zealand has historically been a tough place for spinners, and
England is moving more and more towards pitches that hardly need
spinners, especially when India are visiting.

On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 5:40:32 PM UTC+11, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
> Has England been preparing test pitches deliberately to thwart Indian
> Spinners?
>
>
> India's home dominance: Cherish it, and don't take it for granted
>
> https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ind-vs-eng-india-home-dominance-cherish-it-and-dont-take-it-for-granted-1417008
>
>
> It can be argued that these two have been so good that at least three of
> the countries they travel to have started preparing pitches that
> eliminate their whole discipline of bowling. In the recently concluded
> series in South Africa, the hosts didn't bowl a single delivery of spin.
> New Zealand has historically been a tough place for spinners, and
> England is moving more and more towards pitches that hardly need
> spinners, especially when India are visiting.

Seems pretty dubious Jadeja has done badly in England vs England but Lyon's been pretty effective
Ashwin did do well against NZ there but he hasn't played vs England in England since 2018 and averages about 33 vs England

Not seeing any real signs of things being changed

On 1/21/2024 5:53 PM, Hamish Laws wrote:
> On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 5:40:32 PM UTC+11, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>> Has England been preparing test pitches deliberately to thwart Indian
>> Spinners?
>>
>>
>> India's home dominance: Cherish it, and don't take it for granted
>>
>> https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ind-vs-eng-india-home-dominance-cherish-it-and-dont-take-it-for-granted-1417008
>>
>>
>> It can be argued that these two have been so good that at least three of
>> the countries they travel to have started preparing pitches that
>> eliminate their whole discipline of bowling. In the recently concluded
>> series in South Africa, the hosts didn't bowl a single delivery of spin.
>> New Zealand has historically been a tough place for spinners, and
>> England is moving more and more towards pitches that hardly need
>> spinners, especially when India are visiting.
>
> Seems pretty dubious Jadeja has done badly in England vs England but Lyon's been pretty effective
> Ashwin did do well against NZ there but he hasn't played vs England in England since 2018 and averages about 33 vs England
>
> Not seeing any real signs of things being changed
>
>

MAY BE Indian spinners failed in England because the pitches were
prepared NOT to help spin at all, I am NOT sure.

In message <2c8922ec-e06a-4ce3-859b-d7723832a401@america.com>,
FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com>
writes
>On 1/21/2024 5:53 PM, Hamish Laws wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 5:40:320 >>FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>>> Has England been preparing test pitches deliberately to thwart Indian
>>> Spinners?
>>>
>>>
>>> India's home dominance: Cherish it, and don't take it for granted
>>>
>>>
>>>https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ind-vs-eng-india-home-dominance-che
>>>rish-it-and-dont-take-it-for-granted-1417008
>>>
>>>
>>> It can be argued that these two have been so good that at least three of
>>> the countries they travel to have started preparing pitches that
>>> eliminate their whole discipline of bowling. In the recently concluded
>>> series in South Africa, the hosts didn't bowl a single delivery of spin.
>>> New Zealand has historically been a tough place for spinners, and
>>> England is moving more and more towards pitches that hardly need
>>> spinners, especially when India are visiting.
>> Seems pretty dubious Jadeja has done badly in England vs England but
>>Lyon's been pretty effective
>> Ashwin did do well against NZ there but he hasn't played vs England
>>in England since 2018 and averages about 33 vs England
>> Not seeing any real signs of things being changed
>>
>
>
>
>MAY BE Indian spinners failed in England because the pitches were
>prepared NOT to help spin at all, I am NOT sure.

That may well have been the case in 2021, but probably not in 2018, when
Moeen Ali took 12 wickets at a good average in the two Tests he played
and arguably out-bowled Ashwin and Jadeja in those matches.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 11:26:05 PM UTC+11, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
> On 1/21/2024 5:53 PM, Hamish Laws wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 5:40:32 PM UTC+11, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
> >> Has England been preparing test pitches deliberately to thwart Indian
> >> Spinners?
> >>
> >>
> >> India's home dominance: Cherish it, and don't take it for granted
> >>
> >> https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ind-vs-eng-india-home-dominance-cherish-it-and-dont-take-it-for-granted-1417008
> >>
> >>
> >> It can be argued that these two have been so good that at least three of
> >> the countries they travel to have started preparing pitches that
> >> eliminate their whole discipline of bowling. In the recently concluded
> >> series in South Africa, the hosts didn't bowl a single delivery of spin.
> >> New Zealand has historically been a tough place for spinners, and
> >> England is moving more and more towards pitches that hardly need
> >> spinners, especially when India are visiting.
> >
> > Seems pretty dubious Jadeja has done badly in England vs England but Lyon's been pretty effective
> > Ashwin did do well against NZ there but he hasn't played vs England in England since 2018 and averages about 33 vs England
> >
> > Not seeing any real signs of things being changed
> >
> >
> MAY BE Indian spinners failed in England because the pitches were
> prepared NOT to help spin at all, I am NOT sure.

In 2018 Moeen took 12 wickets @ 21 in 2 tests

Hamish Laws wrote:

> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 11:26:05 PM UTC+11, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>> On 1/21/2024 5:53 PM, Hamish Laws wrote:
>> > On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 5:40:32 PM UTC+11, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer wrote:
>> >> Has England been preparing test pitches deliberately to thwart Indian
>> >> Spinners?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> India's home dominance: Cherish it, and don't take it for granted
>> >>
>> >> https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ind-vs-eng-india-home-dominance-cherish-it-and-dont-take-it-for-granted-1417008
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It can be argued that these two have been so good that at least three of
>> >> the countries they travel to have started preparing pitches that
>> >> eliminate their whole discipline of bowling. In the recently concluded
>> >> series in South Africa, the hosts didn't bowl a single delivery of spin.
>> >> New Zealand has historically been a tough place for spinners, and
>> >> England is moving more and more towards pitches that hardly need
>> >> spinners, especially when India are visiting.
>> >
>> > Seems pretty dubious Jadeja has done badly in England vs England but Lyon's been pretty effective
>> > Ashwin did do well against NZ there but he hasn't played vs England in England since 2018 and averages about 33 vs England
>> >
>> > Not seeing any real signs of things being changed
>> >
>> >
>> MAY BE Indian spinners failed in England because the pitches were
>> prepared NOT to help spin at all, I am NOT sure.

> In 2018 Moeen took 12 wickets @ 21 in 2 tests

i think he bowled india to defeat with 6-67 sometime earlier in england as well.
Plus Warne took loads of wkts in england i think. and as u say lyon has been
very effective, big loss for oz last summer when he got injured. i think its
fair to say that indias spinners have never been as effective away as they
are on home wkts. same is true for our quicks like anderson. the 1 time i
remember was when chandresakar bowled india to win at the oval about 50
years ago.

mike