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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Wed, 14 Jun 2023 10:23 UTC

That's a new one for the anti-cycling bingo! We have had residents concerned by "giant and ugly" bike hangars, even naming them a "green measles", we have had them accused for "deliberately blocking" drivers' precious parking spaces.

This time, we have residents who think they are unnecessary because they are never in use, complain about how much they are annoyed when they are being used.

Islington Tribune (link is external) reports that residents from a "small picturesque" street in Highbury are saying that they have too many bike hangars for demand, calling them "unsightly and unnecessary" if they are not being used.

“We want that hangar gone for starters,” said resident Val Hammond, about one of the facilities which they claim is permanently empty. “We want proper numbers because our research absolutely does not match up with the council’s .”

At the same time, a man with a mobility scooter was reported to be saying that he has to wait to get out of his home whenever someone is using the hangar.

So are the hangars being used, or not being used? Does anyone want to open and see? Or should we let the mystery of Schrödhanger remain a mystery?

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 by: Spike - Wed, 14 Jun 2023 10:29 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's a new one for the anti-cycling bingo! We have had residents
> concerned by "giant and ugly" bike hangars, even naming them a "green
> measles", we have had them accused for "deliberately blocking" drivers'
> precious parking spaces.
>
> This time, we have residents who think they are unnecessary because they
> are never in use, complain about how much they are annoyed when they are being used.

Ding!

It’s not the same resident complaining in each of the cases, so it’s mixing
apples and oranges again to make a non-story.

> Islington Tribune (link is external) reports that residents from a "small
> picturesque" street in Highbury are saying that they have too many bike
> hangars for demand, calling them "unsightly and unnecessary" if they are not being used.
>
> “We want that hangar gone for starters,” said resident Val Hammond, about
> one of the facilities which they claim is permanently empty. “We want
> proper numbers because our research absolutely does not match up with the council’s .”
>
> At the same time, a man with a mobility scooter was reported to be saying
> that he has to wait to get out of his home whenever someone is using the hangar.
>
> So are the hangars being used, or not being used? Does anyone want to
> open and see? Or should we let the mystery of Schrödhanger remain a mystery?
>

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Wed, 14 Jun 2023 10:33 UTC

Car Delenda Est | 388 posts | 43 min ago
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Alternative Victorian bike shed proposal: call it a folly.

:-)

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 by: Spike - Wed, 14 Jun 2023 10:40 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> Car Delenda Est | 388 posts | 43 min ago
> 1 like
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> Alternative Victorian bike shed proposal: call it a folly.
>
> :-)

Whoever would park a Victorian bike in a shed?

;-)

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Wed, 14 Jun 2023 10:46 UTC

QUOTE: residents from a "small picturesque" street in Highbury. ENDS

Yeah right - and Toxteth is a country village.

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 by: Spike - Wed, 14 Jun 2023 10:51 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

…Schrödhanger…

Nice umlaut - pity about the spelling.

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residents from a "small picturesque" street in Highbury are saying that they have too many bike hangars for demand, calling them "unsightly and unnecessary" if they are not being used.

I bought some tickets for a 50 years farewell tour by the Dutch band, Kayak, a year ago at the Assembly Halls in Islington which had to be cancelled due to red tape on the band's gear thanks to Brexit.

Now these same boneheaded bald Brextards are having a fit of the vapours about the aesthetics of a bike shed. They wouldn't know culture if it poured a pint of Watney's on their fat heads.

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 by: JNugent - Wed, 14 Jun 2023 13:20 UTC

On 14/06/2023 11:23 am, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> That's a new one for the anti-chav bingo! We have had residents concerned by "giant and ugly" chav-bike bins, even naming them a "green measles", we have had them accused for "deliberately blocking" drivers' precious parking spaces.
> This time, we have residents who think they are unnecessary because they are never in use, complain about how much they are annoyed when they are being used.
> Islington Tribune (link is external) reports that residents from a "small picturesque" street in Highbury are saying that they have too many chav-bike bins for demand, calling them "unsightly and unnecessary" if they are not being used.
> “We want that bin gone for starters,” said resident Val Hammond, about one of the facilities which they claim is permanently empty. “We want proper numbers because our research absolutely does not match up with the council’s .”
> At the same time, a man with a mobility scooter was reported to be saying that he has to wait to get out of his home whenever someone is using the bin.
>
> So are the bins being used, or not being used? Does anyone want to open and see? Or should we let the mystery of Schrödhanger remain a mystery?

From whom did you crib the Schrödhanger [sic] bit?

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 by: JNugent - Wed, 14 Jun 2023 13:22 UTC

On 14/06/2023 11:40 am, Spike wrote:

> swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Car Delenda Est | 388 posts | 43 min ago
>> 1 like
>> Alternative Victorian bike shed proposal: call it a folly.

>> :-)

> Whoever would park a Victorian bike in a shed?

> ;-)

Not Mason.

He prefers to wheel his chav-cycle into the kitchen, dog-crap in the
tyre-treads and all.

I'm sure he once boasted that he then puts it up on the kitchen table.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Wed, 14 Jun 2023 15:26 UTC

Sir, – There is a simple solution for the Clontarf couple who were refused permission for a bike shed in their front garden (“Bike shed in front garden ‘detrimental’ to Victorian home setting, planners rule”, News, June 13th).

Simply apply for planning permission for a driveway, cover the front garden in concrete, park a dilapidated old van in the driveway and store their bikes in it. – Yours, etc,

Wonderful world we live in, where bike sheds are detrimental to Victorian homes but a concrete driveway parked with oil-burning, smoke-spewing, old vans are not!

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Wed, 14 Jun 2023 15:28 UTC

Rendel Harris | 4799 posts | 4 hours ago
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As of last year Islington had 7000 people on the waiting list for a space in a bike hangar, so the claim that it's empty seems fairly questionable and why would anybody pay £107 per year and then not use it? Perhaps the drivers in the street never see anyone use it because they have to leave for work an hour before the cyclists do and come back an hour after they get home.

In terms of the "small picturesque street" you could probably apply that to mine, where the vast majority of the houses were built between 1870 and 1900: the bike hangars blend in really well with the trees and other greenery both on the streets and in people's front gardens and they also, being low, open up sightlines and views that were not available when the space was filled by motor vehicles.

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 by: JNugent - Wed, 14 Jun 2023 20:57 UTC

On 14/06/2023 04:26 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sir, – There is a simple solution for the Clontarf couple who were refused permission for a bike shed in their front garden (“Bike shed in front garden ‘detrimental’ to Victorian home setting, planners rule”, News, June 13th).
>
> Simply apply for planning permission for a driveway, cover the front garden in concrete, park a dilapidated old van in the driveway and store their bikes in it. – Yours, etc,

If you knew anything about planning, conservation areas and rules as
well as having some sense of the concept of residential amenity, you
would already know that refusal of a bike shed on the grounds that it
will be "...detrimental... to [the] Victorian ... setting..." means that
a driveway, plus the necessary footway crossing, would also be refused,
on exactly the same grounds. That applies in Ireland as well as in the
United Kingdom.

But you didn't know the first thing and so you don't know the latter.

Well... you do now, of course.

It isn't all just made up on the spot, y'know.

[No, you didn't know that either.]

> Wonderful world we live in, where bike sheds are detrimental to Victorian homes but a concrete driveway parked with oil-burning, smoke-spewing, old vans are not!

an is idiot Mason

[Rearrange that into a well-known phrase or saying.]

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Wed, 14 Jun 2023 21:10 UTC

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 4:28:34 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> Rendel Harris | 4799 posts | 4 hours ago
> 7 likes
>
> As of last year Islington had 7000 people on the waiting list for a space in a bike hangar, so the claim that it's empty seems fairly questionable and why would anybody pay £107 per year and then not use it? Perhaps the drivers in the street never see anyone use it because they have to leave for work an hour before the cyclists do and come back an hour after they get home.
>
> In terms of the "small picturesque street" you could probably apply that to mine, where the vast majority of the houses were built between 1870 and 1900: the bike hangars blend in really well with the trees and other greenery both on the streets and in people's front gardens and they also, being low, open up sightlines and views that were not available when the space was filled by motor vehicles.

ratherbeintobago replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 59 posts | 9 hours ago
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So, what we need is a shed that looks like a knackered 20yo Transit? :-)

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 by: Spike - Wed, 14 Jun 2023 21:35 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 4:28:34 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Rendel Harris | 4799 posts | 4 hours ago
>> 7 likes
>>
>> As of last year Islington had 7000 people on the waiting list for a
>> space in a bike hangar, so the claim that it's empty seems fairly
>> questionable and why would anybody pay £107 per year and then not use
>> it? Perhaps the drivers in the street never see anyone use it because
>> they have to leave for work an hour before the cyclists do and come back
>> an hour after they get home.
>>
>> In terms of the "small picturesque street" you could probably apply that
>> to mine, where the vast majority of the houses were built between 1870
>> and 1900: the bike hangars blend in really well with the trees and other
>> greenery both on the streets and in people's front gardens and they
>> also, being low, open up sightlines and views that were not available
>> when the space was filled by motor vehicles.
>
> ratherbeintobago replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 59 posts | 9 hours ago
> 6 likes

> So, what we need is a shed that looks like a knackered 20yo Transit? :-)

What you need is somewhere in your property to park your bicycle.

--
Spike

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 by: JNugent - Thu, 15 Jun 2023 00:02 UTC

On 14/06/2023 10:35 pm, Spike wrote:

> swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com>...

....pretending to answer his own posts, said:

>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 4:28:34 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>>> Rendel Harris | 4799 posts | 4 hours ago
>>> 7 likes
>>> As of last year Islington had 7000 people on the waiting list for a
>>> space in a bike hangar, so the claim that it's empty seems fairly
>>> questionable and why would anybody pay £107 per year and then not use
>>> it? Perhaps the drivers in the street never see anyone use it because
>>> they have to leave for work an hour before the cyclists do and come back
>>> an hour after they get home.
>>> In terms of the "small picturesque street" you could probably apply that
>>> to mine, where the vast majority of the houses were built between 1870
>>> and 1900: the bike hangars blend in really well with the trees and other
>>> greenery both on the streets and in people's front gardens and they
>>> also, being low, open up sightlines and views that were not available
>>> when the space was filled by motor vehicles.

>> ratherbeintobago replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 59 posts | 9 hours ago
>> 6 likes

>> So, what we need is a shed that looks like a knackered 20yo Transit? :-)
>
> What you need is somewhere in your property to park your bicycle.

He's got that: the kitchen table.

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bikes | 59 posts | 11 hours ago
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Can you put wheels on a shed and call it a trailer? You could use Victorian cart wheels so it doesn't "injure the amenity" (a phrase from Glasgow planning department's demand for an owner to remove a bike shed I read about a few years ago).

We are talking about chav central here, full of bald and fat Arsenal fans slagging off "forrins" and talking bollocks about "sovrintee", not a twee village in the Cotswolds.

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