I read that ECB deaf cricketers saying that BSL is difficult to learn.
ECB is planning to fit BSL signs in changing rooms.
It looks like ECB is way behind on the deaf / hearing communication
thing because everyone else uses Makaton these days; the same system
that Mr Tumble on childrens television uses.

max.it

In message <cgirvi5pqem7nmhf7oesu62ilascbrh4hp@4ax.com>, max. it
<max@tea.time> writes
>
>I read that ECB deaf cricketers saying that BSL is difficult to learn.
>ECB is planning to fit BSL signs in changing rooms.
>It looks like ECB is way behind on the deaf / hearing communication
>thing because everyone else uses Makaton these days; the same system
>that Mr Tumble on childrens television uses.
>
>
>max.it

I don't quite understand the point of this, since surely the deaf are
perfectly capable of reading ordinary signs, indeed are likely to be
more familiar with those?
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 10:02:27 +0000, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <cgirvi5pqem7nmhf7oesu62ilascbrh4hp@4ax.com>, max. it
><max@tea.time> writes
>>
>>I read that ECB deaf cricketers saying that BSL is difficult to learn.
>>ECB is planning to fit BSL signs in changing rooms.
>>It looks like ECB is way behind on the deaf / hearing communication
>>thing because everyone else uses Makaton these days; the same system
>>that Mr Tumble on childrens television uses.
>>
>>
>>max.it
>
>I don't quite understand the point of this, since surely the deaf are
>perfectly capable of reading ordinary signs, indeed are likely to be
>more familiar with those?
>
>
Most deaf people aren't profoundly deaf and BSL is suited to more
complex communication scenarios anyway. Many deaf people don't have
the capacity to learn BSL either.
My guess is that some kind of body or charity is having a BSL or
deafness awareness campaign. Probably this is one of them funding for
outcomes word jigs. Dream up a model that fits a buzz word outcome and
bingo, some eejit will fund you to carry it out. A few quids for a few
signs and a fortune in reports and outcome delivery meetings.

Don't believe the stories that there are no funding streams available
for projects. If the outcome fits with what the funding body wants
then the funding will follow.
I can't decide if this kind of thing is corruption or coercion.

max.it

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 10:56:55 +0000, max.it <max@tea.time> wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 10:02:27 +0000, John Hall
><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <cgirvi5pqem7nmhf7oesu62ilascbrh4hp@4ax.com>, max. it
>><max@tea.time> writes
>>>
>>>I read that ECB deaf cricketers saying that BSL is difficult to learn.
>>>ECB is planning to fit BSL signs in changing rooms.
>>>It looks like ECB is way behind on the deaf / hearing communication
>>>thing because everyone else uses Makaton these days; the same system
>>>that Mr Tumble on childrens television uses.
>>>
>>>
>>>max.it
>>
>>I don't quite understand the point of this, since surely the deaf are
>>perfectly capable of reading ordinary signs, indeed are likely to be
>>more familiar with those?
>>
>>
>Most deaf people aren't profoundly deaf and BSL is suited to more
>complex communication scenarios anyway. Many deaf people don't have
>the capacity to learn BSL either.
>My guess is that some kind of body or charity is having a BSL or
>deafness awareness campaign. Probably this is one of them funding for
>outcomes word jigs. Dream up a model that fits a buzz word outcome and
>bingo, some eejit will fund you to carry it out. A few quids for a few
>signs and a fortune in reports and outcome delivery meetings.
>
>Don't believe the stories that there are no funding streams available
>for projects. If the outcome fits with what the funding body wants
>then the funding will follow.
>I can't decide if this kind of thing is corruption or coercion.
>
>
>max.it
>
>
No mention of signs in the BBC report, but we've discovered where the
funding is from.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/68628752
Most people with hearing difficulties either can't or don't use BSL,
it's too difficult and it doesn't match with any other global sign
language.
---------------
"The England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) will use British Sign
Language (BSL) to promote anti-discriminatory messaging at all
first-class grounds this summer.

The videos will use men's and women's players local to each county to
promote messages against discriminatory behaviour.

Messages will be shown at all matches, including England
internationals.
The move comes as part of Sign Language Week."

max.it

On 23/03/2024 10:02, John Hall wrote:
> In message <cgirvi5pqem7nmhf7oesu62ilascbrh4hp@4ax.com>, max. it
> <max@tea.time> writes
>>
>> I read that ECB deaf cricketers saying that BSL is difficult to learn.
>> ECB is planning to fit BSL signs in changing rooms.
>> It looks like ECB is way behind on the deaf / hearing communication
>> thing because everyone else uses Makaton these days; the same system
>> that Mr Tumble on childrens television uses.
>>
>>
>> max.it
>
> I don't quite understand the point of this, since surely the deaf are
> perfectly capable of reading ordinary signs, indeed are likely to be
> more familiar with those?

That was also my reaction, but it turns out that it isn't signs, but
videos featuring players using BSL "to promote messages against
discriminatory behaviour."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/68628752

--
David North

In message <l68f41Fn1m3U1@mid.individual.net>, David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>On 23/03/2024 10:02, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <cgirvi5pqem7nmhf7oesu62ilascbrh4hp@4ax.com>, max. it
>><max@tea.time> writes
>>>
>>> I read that ECB deaf cricketers saying that BSL is difficult to learn.
>>> ECB is planning to fit BSL signs in changing rooms.
>>> It looks like ECB is way behind on the deaf / hearing communication
>>> thing because everyone else uses Makaton these days; the same system
>>> that Mr Tumble on childrens television uses.
>>>
>>>
>>> max.it
>> I don't quite understand the point of this, since surely the deaf
>>are perfectly capable of reading ordinary signs, indeed are likely to
>>be more familiar with those?
>
>That was also my reaction, but it turns out that it isn't signs, but
>videos featuring players using BSL "to promote messages against
>discriminatory behaviour."
>
>https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/68628752
>

But presumably only those who already know BSL will be able to
understand what the players are signing, and they aren't the ones who
are doing the discriminating. Unless I'm missing something, it seems
like pure virtue signalling. (Pun not intended.)
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 18:40:30 +0000, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <l68f41Fn1m3U1@mid.individual.net>, David North
><nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>On 23/03/2024 10:02, John Hall wrote:
>>> In message <cgirvi5pqem7nmhf7oesu62ilascbrh4hp@4ax.com>, max. it
>>><max@tea.time> writes
>>>>
>>>> I read that ECB deaf cricketers saying that BSL is difficult to learn.
>>>> ECB is planning to fit BSL signs in changing rooms.
>>>> It looks like ECB is way behind on the deaf / hearing communication
>>>> thing because everyone else uses Makaton these days; the same system
>>>> that Mr Tumble on childrens television uses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> max.it
>>> I don't quite understand the point of this, since surely the deaf
>>>are perfectly capable of reading ordinary signs, indeed are likely to
>>>be more familiar with those?
>>
>>That was also my reaction, but it turns out that it isn't signs, but
>>videos featuring players using BSL "to promote messages against
>>discriminatory behaviour."
>>
>>https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/68628752
>>
>
>But presumably only those who already know BSL will be able to
>understand what the players are signing, and they aren't the ones who
>are doing the discriminating. Unless I'm missing something, it seems
>like pure virtue signalling. (Pun not intended.)
>
>
There isn't really much to hear from the actual game at a cricket
match.
I can finger spell quite quickly, my Father taught me, it was taught
to everyone in schools in the 1930s.

max.it

David North wrote:

> On 23/03/2024 10:02, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <cgirvi5pqem7nmhf7oesu62ilascbrh4hp@4ax.com>, max. it
>> <max@tea.time> writes
>>>
>>> I read that ECB deaf cricketers saying that BSL is difficult to learn.
>>> ECB is planning to fit BSL signs in changing rooms.
>>> It looks like ECB is way behind on the deaf / hearing communication
>>> thing because everyone else uses Makaton these days; the same system
>>> that Mr Tumble on childrens television uses.
>>>
>>>
>>> max.it
>>
>> I don't quite understand the point of this, since surely the deaf are
>> perfectly capable of reading ordinary signs, indeed are likely to be
>> more familiar with those?

> That was also my reaction, but it turns out that it isn't signs, but
> videos featuring players using BSL "to promote messages against
> discriminatory behaviour."

> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/68628752

Why BSL? Does every nation have its own sign language? Wonder what
is BSL for not out? That might be quite important if the players are deaf.
I notice that Pakistan just won the deaf t20 WC. I didnt even know it
was happening. They kept that rather quiet.

mike

In message <3c5a466c6b316b0289d91be5b90ac0fb@www.novabbs.com>, miked
<dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>David North wrote:
>
>> On 23/03/2024 10:02, John Hall wrote:
>>> In message <cgirvi5pqem7nmhf7oesu62ilascbrh4hp@4ax.com>, max. it
>>><max@tea.time> writes
>>>>
>>>> I read that ECB deaf cricketers saying that BSL is difficult to learn.
>>>> ECB is planning to fit BSL signs in changing rooms.
>>>> It looks like ECB is way behind on the deaf / hearing communication
>>>> thing because everyone else uses Makaton these days; the same system
>>>> that Mr Tumble on childrens television uses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> max.it
>>> I don't quite understand the point of this, since surely the deaf
>>>are perfectly capable of reading ordinary signs, indeed are likely to
>>>be more familiar with those?
>
>> That was also my reaction, but it turns out that it isn't signs, but
>>videos featuring players using BSL "to promote messages against
>>discriminatory behaviour."
>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/68628752
>
>Why BSL? Does every nation have its own sign language?

According to Wikipedia,. that's pretty much the case:

"Each country generally has its own native sign language; some have more
than one. The 2021 edition of Ethnologue lists 150 sign languages, while
the SIGN-HUB Atlas of Sign Language Structures lists over 200 and notes
that there are more that have not been documented or discovered yet."

> Wonder what
>is BSL for not out? That might be quite important if the players are deaf.
>I notice that Pakistan just won the deaf t20 WC. I didnt even know it
>was happening. They kept that rather quiet.
>
>mike

:)
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 09:54:59 +0000, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <3c5a466c6b316b0289d91be5b90ac0fb@www.novabbs.com>, miked
><dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>David North wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/03/2024 10:02, John Hall wrote:
>>>> In message <cgirvi5pqem7nmhf7oesu62ilascbrh4hp@4ax.com>, max. it
>>>><max@tea.time> writes
>>>>>
>>>>> I read that ECB deaf cricketers saying that BSL is difficult to learn.
>>>>> ECB is planning to fit BSL signs in changing rooms.
>>>>> It looks like ECB is way behind on the deaf / hearing communication
>>>>> thing because everyone else uses Makaton these days; the same system
>>>>> that Mr Tumble on childrens television uses.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> max.it
>>>> I don't quite understand the point of this, since surely the deaf
>>>>are perfectly capable of reading ordinary signs, indeed are likely to
>>>>be more familiar with those?
>>
>>> That was also my reaction, but it turns out that it isn't signs, but
>>>videos featuring players using BSL "to promote messages against
>>>discriminatory behaviour."
>>
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/68628752
>>
>>Why BSL? Does every nation have its own sign language?
>
>According to Wikipedia,. that's pretty much the case:
>
>"Each country generally has its own native sign language; some have more
>than one. The 2021 edition of Ethnologue lists 150 sign languages, while
>the SIGN-HUB Atlas of Sign Language Structures lists over 200 and notes
>that there are more that have not been documented or discovered yet."
>
>
One person in local supported living unit with some serious learning
problems is deaf and mute. He lives in this super little flat with
24/7 support and reinforced windows and doors and a safe room for the
staff to escape to whenever he goes berserk. He has a sign language
that he has made up himself over the years and the staff have to try
to learn it on the fly.
My Daughter briefs the staff on his case and the idea is to try to
understand what he wants but don't attempt to communicate to him.
Sounds more like bomb disposal unit than a healthcare unit to me.

max.it

>
>> Wonder what
>>is BSL for not out? That might be quite important if the players are deaf.
>>I notice that Pakistan just won the deaf t20 WC. I didnt even know it
>>was happening. They kept that rather quiet.
>>
>>mike
>
>:)