On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 16:45:38 +0000
"chrisnd@privacy.net" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

> And they seem to have lost an 'e' :-)

lBooyd druggies have taken them all.

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On 15-Nov-23 16:45, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
> On 14/11/2023 18:45, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 14-Nov-23 0:40, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>> In article <krf6qiFu0omU1@mid.individual.net>, chrisnd@privacy.net
>>> <chrisnd@privacy.net>  on Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 18:05:06 awoke Nicholas
>>> from his slumbers and wrote
>>>> On 13/11/2023 17:19, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>>> In article <uit6vg$lbiv$2@dont-email.me>, Hymermut
>>>>> <tone@email.com>  on
>>>>> Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 13:05:50 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and
>>>>> wrote
>>>>>> On 12/11/2023 20:07, soup wrote:
>>>>>>> I know Tone was Navy.
>>>>>>> In old pictures (WWII, that sort of era) tanks seem to be
>>>>>>> festooned with
>>>>>>> equipment (logs, sandbags, bed rolls, water 'Jerries' all sorts) but
>>>>>>> looking at pictures of current tanks they seem to be bare of all
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> 'stuff'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only tanks I jbexed on were aircraft fuel tanks. Not many logs,
>>>>>> sandbags, bed rolls, water 'jerries' and Licorice Allsorts
>>>>>> attached to
>>>>>> them. Wasn't room in the wings.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Before your time Tony, but weren't Fairy Swordfish called 'string
>>>>> bags'
>>>>> because of the amount of 'shopping' that they could carry?
>>>>
>>>> Oi! My dad flew them!
>>>>
>>> To Lidl or the Pusser's Stores?
>>
>> How the mighty have fallen.
>> Fairy used to make torpedo bombers, and now it's washing up liquid.
>
> And they seem to have lost an 'e' :-)
>
> Mostly though the swordfish were made by Blackburns of Sherburn in
> Elmet, in that N Yorks, and therefore coloquially known as 'Blackfish'.

I suspect my Dad would have jbexed (airframe) on them in 1939, I know he
was mostly on Corsairs in the later part of the worldly unpleasantness.

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On 15/11/2023 17:17, Adrian wrote:
> In message <krkatiF497rU1@mid.individual.net>, "chrisnd@privacy.net"
> <chrisnd@privacy.net> writes
>> Mostly though the swordfish were made by Blackburns of Sherburn in
>> Elmet, in that N Yorks, and therefore coloquially known as 'Blackfish'.
>>
>
> Howsomedever, when they were molished, Sherburn in Elmet was in that Wet
> Riding.
>
> Adrian
Has it moved?
Everything I can see online says North...
It's not one of those 'post code' fallacies is it?

Chris

On 15/11/2023 19:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 15-Nov-23 16:45, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>> Mostly though the swordfish were made by Blackburns of Sherburn in
>> Elmet, in that N Yorks, and therefore coloquially known as 'Blackfish'.
>
> I suspect my Dad would have jbexed (airframe) on them in 1939, I know he
> was mostly on Corsairs in the later part of the worldly unpleasantness.
>
Interesting. I thought the Corsairs were merkin?
I know my dad said he didn't like them cos he couldn't see over the nose
when taxiing!

Chris

In message <krmq14FmjliU1@mid.individual.net>, "chrisnd@privacy.net"
<chrisnd@privacy.net> writes
>On 15/11/2023 17:17, Adrian wrote:
>> In message <krkatiF497rU1@mid.individual.net>, "chrisnd@privacy.net"
>><chrisnd@privacy.net> writes
>>> Mostly though the swordfish were made by Blackburns of Sherburn in
>>>Elmet, in that N Yorks, and therefore coloquially known as 'Blackfish'.
>>>
>> Howsomedever, when they were molished, Sherburn in Elmet was in that
>>Wet Riding.
>> Adrian
>Has it moved?
>Everything I can see online says North...
>It's not one of those 'post code' fallacies is it?
>

Sherburn in Elmet (to the best of my knowledge) is still physically in
the same place. No doubt somewhat larger than it was when Blackburns
were molishing hairy planes there around the time of the second great
unpleasantness. The problem is that back in the early 1970s some bright
spark (step forward Zvpunry Urfrygvar) gooved it was a good idea to move
the county boundaries, and rename some of the counties, hence Sherburn
(as we generally referred to it yokelly) moved from the Wet Riding into
North Yorkshire. Something which still rankles with some thereabouts
(particularly when the boundaries of Gods own County shrank.

For those with a literary interest, Sherburn Airfield was where Air
Speed assembled their aircraft (which were built in a bus station in
York). Air Speed was set up by the author Nevil Shute.

Adrian
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On 16-Nov-23 15:17, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
> On 15/11/2023 19:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 15-Nov-23 16:45, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Mostly though the swordfish were made by Blackburns of Sherburn in
>>> Elmet, in that N Yorks, and therefore coloquially known as 'Blackfish'.
>>
>> I suspect my Dad would have jbexed (airframe) on them in 1939, I know
>> he was mostly on Corsairs in the later part of the worldly
>> unpleasantness.
>>
> Interesting.  I thought the Corsairs were merkin?
> I know my dad said he didn't like them cos he couldn't see over the nose
> when taxiing!

They are/were.
At one time or another the FAA used the Grumman Martlet, Vought F4U
Corsair, Grumman Hellcat and Grumman Avenger as carrier-based aircraft
during WWII.

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On 16/11/2023 20:33, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 16-Nov-23 15:17, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>> On 15/11/2023 19:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 15-Nov-23 16:45, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mostly though the swordfish were made by Blackburns of Sherburn in
>>>> Elmet, in that N Yorks, and therefore coloquially known as 'Blackfish'.
>>>
>>> I suspect my Dad would have jbexed (airframe) on them in 1939, I know
>>> he was mostly on Corsairs in the later part of the worldly
>>> unpleasantness.
>>>
>> Interesting.  I thought the Corsairs were merkin?
>> I know my dad said he didn't like them cos he couldn't see over the
>> nose when taxiing!
>
> They are/were.
> At one time or another the FAA used the Grumman Martlet, Vought F4U
> Corsair, Grumman Hellcat and Grumman Avenger as carrier-based aircraft
> during WWII.
>

The Westland Wessex was a mercan design that was built under licence here.

Tone

On 16/11/2023 21:59, Hymermut wrote:
> On 16/11/2023 20:33, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 16-Nov-23 15:17, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>> On 15/11/2023 19:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> On 15-Nov-23 16:45, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Mostly though the swordfish were made by Blackburns of Sherburn in
>>>>> Elmet, in that N Yorks, and therefore coloquially known as
>>>>> 'Blackfish'.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect my Dad would have jbexed (airframe) on them in 1939, I
>>>> know he was mostly on Corsairs in the later part of the worldly
>>>> unpleasantness.
>>>>
>>> Interesting.  I thought the Corsairs were merkin?
>>> I know my dad said he didn't like them cos he couldn't see over the
>>> nose when taxiing!
>>
>> They are/were.
>> At one time or another the FAA used the Grumman Martlet, Vought F4U
>> Corsair, Grumman Hellcat and Grumman Avenger as carrier-based aircraft
>> during WWII.
>>
>
> The Westland Wessex was a mercan design that was built under licence here.

Choctaw wasn't it ?

On 17/11/2023 09:36, soup wrote:
>> The Westland Wessex was a mercan design that was built under licence
>> here.
>
> Choctaw wasn't it ?

Indeed. But we didn't use the Wright Cyclone piston engine the mercans
used. We fitted it with a Napier Gazelle turboshaft engine.

This had an AVPIN starter, fired by cartridge, that was the cause of
several nasty cockpit fires. The pilots sat right behind the engine.

We lost one off the Vic that caught fire on its way back to land. They
didn't make it. The only thing they found was the co-pilots helmet,
belonging to Sub. Lt. Pete Dyer RN, who was an apprentice with me at
Arbroath back in the early 60s.

We had both decided to apply for aircrew. They accepted him but not me
as my legs were too long for initial fixed wing training. If I had
banged out of a Provost I would have lost them above the knee.

On the Vic I was crew chief of his Wessex. We discovered a slight AVPIN
leak. I signed the aircraft unserviceable, but the CO part two-ed the
fault so it could fly. He wanted our squadron to chalk up more flying
hours than any other front line Wessex squadron. (We did.)

According to legend, the A700 service record for that aircraft was never
found. It's probably in the South China Sea.

On return to UK, the CO was side-lined into being one of the first
curators of the FAA museum.

He tried to blame me, but I had no access to flight control, where the
A700 was kept during flight. Never got to the bottom of it all.

Fri 7th Oct 1966.

http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1966-69.htm

Tone

In article <krmq4eFmjliU2@mid.individual.net>, chrisnd@privacy.net
<chrisnd@privacy.net> on Thu, 16 Nov 2023 at 15:17:34 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>On 15/11/2023 19:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 15-Nov-23 16:45, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Mostly though the swordfish were made by Blackburns of Sherburn in
>>> Elmet, in that N Yorks, and therefore coloquially known as 'Blackfish'.
>>
>> I suspect my Dad would have jbexed (airframe) on them in 1939, I know he
>> was mostly on Corsairs in the later part of the worldly unpleasantness.
>>
>Interesting. I thought the Corsairs were merkin?
>I know my dad said he didn't like them cos he couldn't see over the nose
>when taxiing!
>
To a greater or lesser extent that was true of most single engined
fighters which had a tail wheel. During taxiing this was overcome by
taking a zigzag track across the ground. Take off involved quite a bit
of finger crossing until the tail came up, by which time it was too late
to avoid an obstruction.

It was a much greater problem where forward visibility was limited when
landing. I understand that was particularly true of the Corsair and it
was rejected by the USN for carrier operations and they dumped them on
the RN. Their attitude changed when the RN showed them how to do it,
IIRC this involved quite a lot of sideslipping during the approach to
the deck.

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In article <5T4YPcJVqjVlFwxS@ku.gro.lloiff>, Adrian
<bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> on Thu, 16 Nov 2023 at 15:51:49 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>In message <krmq14FmjliU1@mid.individual.net>, "chrisnd@privacy.net"
><chrisnd@privacy.net> writes
>>On 15/11/2023 17:17, Adrian wrote:
>>> In message <krkatiF497rU1@mid.individual.net>, "chrisnd@privacy.net"
>>><chrisnd@privacy.net> writes
>>>> Mostly though the swordfish were made by Blackburns of Sherburn in
>>>>Elmet, in that N Yorks, and therefore coloquially known as 'Blackfish'.
>>>>
>>> Howsomedever, when they were molished, Sherburn in Elmet was in that
>>>Wet Riding.
>>> Adrian
>>Has it moved?
>>Everything I can see online says North...
>>It's not one of those 'post code' fallacies is it?
>>
>
>Sherburn in Elmet (to the best of my knowledge) is still physically in
>the same place. No doubt somewhat larger than it was when Blackburns
>were molishing hairy planes there around the time of the second great
>unpleasantness. The problem is that back in the early 1970s some bright
>spark (step forward Zvpunry Urfrygvar) gooved it was a good idea to move
>the county boundaries, and rename some of the counties, hence Sherburn
>(as we generally referred to it yokelly) moved from the Wet Riding into
>North Yorkshire. Something which still rankles with some thereabouts
>(particularly when the boundaries of Gods own County shrank.

Not the just the county of Yorkshire was subject to mutilation by that
there Heseltine (spit) but Lancashire was hugely mutilated, it lost
Manchester, Liverpool, Widnes, Warrington and the rest of the South of
Lancashire went to Cheshire. The far North of Lancashire was passed to
Cumberland, sorry Cumbria. Barrow in Furness, well the whole of Furness,
was part of Lancashire.

Rutland was wiped off the map.
>
>For those with a literary interest, Sherburn Airfield was where Air
>Speed assembled their aircraft (which were built in a bus station in
>York). Air Speed was set up by the author Nevil Shute.

Quite a significant player in the 1930's and 40's. He left Vickers to
found, with others, Airspeed, having been Barnes Wallis' Chief
Mathematician. He had been involved in the design of the R100.
>
>
>Adrian

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On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:04:23 +0000
"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> Rutland was wiped off the map.

It has since reappeared.

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On 17/11/2023 13:35, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <krmq4eFmjliU2@mid.individual.net>, chrisnd@privacy.net
> <chrisnd@privacy.net> on Thu, 16 Nov 2023 at 15:17:34 awoke Nicholas
> from his slumbers and wrote
>> On 15/11/2023 19:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 15-Nov-23 16:45, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mostly though the swordfish were made by Blackburns of Sherburn in
>>>> Elmet, in that N Yorks, and therefore coloquially known as 'Blackfish'.
>>>
>>> I suspect my Dad would have jbexed (airframe) on them in 1939, I know he
>>> was mostly on Corsairs in the later part of the worldly unpleasantness.
>>>
>> Interesting. I thought the Corsairs were merkin?
>> I know my dad said he didn't like them cos he couldn't see over the nose
>> when taxiing!
>>
> To a greater or lesser extent that was true of most single engined
> fighters which had a tail wheel. During taxiing this was overcome by
> taking a zigzag track across the ground. Take off involved quite a bit
> of finger crossing until the tail came up, by which time it was too late
> to avoid an obstruction.
>
> It was a much greater problem where forward visibility was limited when
> landing. I understand that was particularly true of the Corsair and it
> was rejected by the USN for carrier operations and they dumped them on
> the RN. Their attitude changed when the RN showed them how to do it,
> IIRC this involved quite a lot of sideslipping during the approach to
> the deck.
>
>

An approach invented by Winkle Brown, who also pioneered the angled
flight deck.

Tone

Tone

On 17/11/2023 13:35, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <krmq4eFmjliU2@mid.individual.net>, chrisnd@privacy.net
> <chrisnd@privacy.net> on Thu, 16 Nov 2023 at 15:17:34 awoke Nicholas
> from his slumbers and wrote
>> On 15/11/2023 19:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 15-Nov-23 16:45, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mostly though the swordfish were made by Blackburns of Sherburn in
>>>> Elmet, in that N Yorks, and therefore coloquially known as 'Blackfish'.
>>>
>>> I suspect my Dad would have jbexed (airframe) on them in 1939, I know he
>>> was mostly on Corsairs in the later part of the worldly unpleasantness.
>>>
>> Interesting. I thought the Corsairs were merkin?
>> I know my dad said he didn't like them cos he couldn't see over the nose
>> when taxiing!
>>
> To a greater or lesser extent that was true of most single engined
> fighters which had a tail wheel. During taxiing this was overcome by
> taking a zigzag track across the ground. Take off involved quite a bit
> of finger crossing until the tail came up, by which time it was too late
> to avoid an obstruction.
>
> It was a much greater problem where forward visibility was limited when
> landing. I understand that was particularly true of the Corsair and it
> was rejected by the USN for carrier operations and they dumped them on
> the RN. Their attitude changed when the RN showed them how to do it,
> IIRC this involved quite a lot of sideslipping during the approach to
> the deck.

Interesting, ta.

Chris

On 17/11/2023 13:35, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <krmq4eFmjliU2@mid.individual.net>, chrisnd@privacy.net
> <chrisnd@privacy.net> on Thu, 16 Nov 2023 at 15:17:34 awoke Nicholas
> from his slumbers and wrote
>> On 15/11/2023 19:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 15-Nov-23 16:45, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mostly though the swordfish were made by Blackburns of Sherburn in
>>>> Elmet, in that N Yorks, and therefore coloquially known as 'Blackfish'.
>>>
>>> I suspect my Dad would have jbexed (airframe) on them in 1939, I know he
>>> was mostly on Corsairs in the later part of the worldly unpleasantness.
>>>
>> Interesting. I thought the Corsairs were merkin?
>> I know my dad said he didn't like them cos he couldn't see over the nose
>> when taxiing!
>>
> To a greater or lesser extent that was true of most single engined
> fighters which had a tail wheel. During taxiing this was overcome by
> taking a zigzag track across the ground. Take off involved quite a bit
> of finger crossing until the tail came up, by which time it was too late
> to avoid an obstruction.

There was also the occasional problem while taxiing Spitfires (which all
happened 12 years before I was born but I do read).

https://tangmere-museum.org.uk/artefact-month/the-waaf-who-flew-a-circuit-on-a-spitfire

In article <kv6jbjFe1gdU6@mid.individual.net>, Mike Fleming
<mike@tauzero.co.uk> on Fri, 29 Dec 2023 at 00:48:48 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>On 17/11/2023 13:35, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <krmq4eFmjliU2@mid.individual.net>, chrisnd@privacy.net
>> <chrisnd@privacy.net> on Thu, 16 Nov 2023 at 15:17:34 awoke Nicholas
>> from his slumbers and wrote
>>> On 15/11/2023 19:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> On 15-Nov-23 16:45, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Mostly though the swordfish were made by Blackburns of Sherburn in
>>>>> Elmet, in that N Yorks, and therefore coloquially known as 'Blackfish'.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect my Dad would have jbexed (airframe) on them in 1939, I know he
>>>> was mostly on Corsairs in the later part of the worldly unpleasantness.
>>>>
>>> Interesting. I thought the Corsairs were merkin?
>>> I know my dad said he didn't like them cos he couldn't see over the nose
>>> when taxiing!
>>>
>> To a greater or lesser extent that was true of most single engined
>> fighters which had a tail wheel. During taxiing this was overcome by
>> taking a zigzag track across the ground. Take off involved quite a bit
>> of finger crossing until the tail came up, by which time it was too late
>> to avoid an obstruction.
>
>There was also the occasional problem while taxiing Spitfires (which all
>happened 12 years before I was born but I do read).
>
>https://tangmere-museum.org.uk/artefact-month/the-waaf-who-flew-a-circuit-on-a-
>spitfire

I believe that this was not the only occasion that this happened. I CBA
to search for now.

One would have thought that the pre-flight checks might include looking
through the rear view mirror (yes they did have such a thing, initially
one was fitted to an early Spitfire by the pilot scavenging it from his
sports car).
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In uk.rec.sheds, (soup) wrote in <uj0i4a$1bvoc$1@dont-email.me>::

>On 14/11/2023 19:07, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 18:45:18 +0000
>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How the mighty have fallen.
>>> Fairy used to make torpedo bombers, and now it's washing up liquid.
>>
>> But Blue Peter watchers can make torpedo bombers (and just about
>> anything else) out of washing up liquid bottles.
>>
>..."and a pair of Val's old knickers".

Given the rumours, I'm surprised she ever wore any.
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In uk.rec.sheds, (Nicholas D. Richards) wrote in
<AP1$b5AnL3VlFAnD@salmiron.com>::

>Not the just the county of Yorkshire was subject to mutilation by that
>there Heseltine (spit) but Lancashire was hugely mutilated, it lost
>Manchester, Liverpool, Widnes, Warrington and the rest of the South of
>Lancashire went to Cheshire. The far North of Lancashire was passed to
>Cumberland, sorry Cumbria. Barrow in Furness, well the whole of Furness,
>was part of Lancashire.

My uncle Len, to his dying day, referred to Greater Manchester as
"Occupied Lancashire".
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On 17/11/2023 13:35, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <krmq4eFmjliU2@mid.individual.net>, chrisnd@privacy.net
> <chrisnd@privacy.net> on Thu, 16 Nov 2023 at 15:17:34 awoke Nicholas
> from his slumbers and wrote
>> On 15/11/2023 19:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 15-Nov-23 16:45, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mostly though the swordfish were made by Blackburns of Sherburn in
>>>> Elmet, in that N Yorks, and therefore coloquially known as 'Blackfish'.
>>>
>>> I suspect my Dad would have jbexed (airframe) on them in 1939, I know he
>>> was mostly on Corsairs in the later part of the worldly unpleasantness.
>>>
>> Interesting. I thought the Corsairs were merkin?
>> I know my dad said he didn't like them cos he couldn't see over the nose
>> when taxiing!
>>
> To a greater or lesser extent that was true of most single engined
> fighters which had a tail wheel. During taxiing this was overcome by
> taking a zigzag track across the ground. Take off involved quite a bit
> of finger crossing until the tail came up, by which time it was too late
> to avoid an obstruction.
>
> It was a much greater problem where forward visibility was limited when
> landing. I understand that was particularly true of the Corsair and it
> was rejected by the USN for carrier operations and they dumped them on
> the RN. Their attitude changed when the RN showed them how to do it,
> IIRC this involved quite a lot of sideslipping during the approach to
> the deck.

On take off someone else could look for you, not much help for the
landing though unless you had an 'erk' who was made of stern stuff.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/TR_000978_kittyhawk.jpg/640px-TR_000978_kittyhawk.jpg

On 13/11/2023 13:05, Hymermut wrote:
> On 12/11/2023 20:07, soup wrote:
>> I know Tone was Navy.
>> In old pictures (WWII, that sort of era) tanks seem to be festooned
>> with equipment (logs, sandbags, bed rolls, water 'Jerries' all sorts)
>> but looking at pictures of current tanks they seem to be bare of all
>> this 'stuff'.
>
> The only tanks I jbexed on were aircraft fuel tanks. Not many logs,
> sandbags, bed rolls, water 'jerries' and Licorice Allsorts attached to
> them. Wasn't room in the wings.

Posted without comment.

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