An incident where a child was knocked off their bike in Gloucester has sparked calls for a clampdown on illegal parking outside city schools. Gloucester City Councillors are due to debate a motion this week which calls for more action to prevent illegal and unsafe parking outside schools.

Councillor Brendon O’Donnell (I, Matson, Robinswood and White City) says safety around schools is getting ridiculous with drivers not caring where they park. He says in his motion that people often park on blind bends and that a child from a city school was knocked off their bike due to parked cars blocking the view.

He would like schools and community centres to be given more powers to be able to fine motorists who flout parking rules. “We have cars speeding down roads near schools showing no care about people, even children crossing the road.

“Therefore, I would like to motion that schools and community centres be given the authority to issue fines themselves, and the money put back into said community - the problem is it requires a change in the law, which neither City nor County Council has the power to actually make happen.”

His motion asks the City Council to write to the relevant cabinet member at Shire Hall and ask them to do more to prevent illegal and unsafe parking outside schools and community centres in order to stop a lot of the anti-social drivers. Councillors are expected to debate the motion at their meeting on Thursday July 13.

Gloucestershire County Council's road safety cabinet member Dave Norman (C, Grange) said any vehicles they find parking illegally will be fined.

“Safety is our priority and we support a range of measures to promote walking and cycling to school, which aim to improve air quality as well as safety. Markings are placed outside schools to prevent vehicles stopping as well as keeping the areas clear and we would encourage parents and residents to adhere to these restrictions.

"Any vehicles found to be parking illegally will receive a penalty charge notice.”

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/gloucester-child-knocked-bike-sparks-8587768

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> Gloucestershire County Council's road safety cabinet member Dave Norman
> (C, Grange) said any vehicles they find parking illegally will be fined.

> "Any vehicles found to be parking illegally will receive a penalty charge notice.”

> https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/gloucester-child-knocked-bike-sparks-8587768

‘Fined’…’Penalty Charge Notice’

Make your mind up, Gloucestershire!

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Spike

QUOTE: "Any vehicles found to be parking illegally will receive a penalty charge notice.” ENDS

Then it might sink into their thick skulls - stop injuring our children with your selfish behaviours.

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> QUOTE: "Any vehicles found to be parking illegally will receive a penalty
> charge notice.” ENDS

But it was said they were going to be fined!

> Then it might sink into their thick skulls - stop injuring our children
> with your selfish behaviours.

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Spike

On 12/07/2023 04:37 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> An incident where a child was knocked off their bike in Gloucester has sparked calls for a clampdown on illegal parking outside city schools. Gloucester City Councillors are due to debate a motion this week which calls for more action to prevent illegal and unsafe parking outside schools.
>
> Councillor Brendon O’Donnell (I, Matson, Robinswood and White City) says safety around schools is getting ridiculous with drivers not caring where they park. He says in his motion that people often park on blind bends and that a child from a city school was knocked off their bike due to parked cars blocking the view.
>
> He would like schools and community centres to be given more powers to be able to fine motorists who flout parking rules. “We have cars speeding down roads near schools showing no care about people, even children crossing the road.
>
> “Therefore, I would like to motion that schools and community centres be given the authority to issue fines themselves, and the money put back into said community - the problem is it requires a change in the law, which neither City nor County Council has the power to actually make happen.”
>
> His motion asks the City Council to write to the relevant cabinet member at Shire Hall and ask them to do more to prevent illegal and unsafe parking outside schools and community centres in order to stop a lot of the anti-social drivers. Councillors are expected to debate the motion at their meeting on Thursday July 13.
>
> Gloucestershire County Council's road safety cabinet member Dave Norman (C, Grange) said any vehicles they find parking illegally will be fined.
>
> “Safety is our priority and we support a range of measures to promote walking and cycling to school, which aim to improve air quality as well as safety. Markings are placed outside schools to prevent vehicles stopping as well as keeping the areas clear and we would encourage parents and residents to adhere to these restrictions.
>
> "Any vehicles found to be parking illegally will receive a penalty charge notice.”
>
> https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/gloucester-child-knocked-bike-sparks-8587768

That's totally ridiculous.

A parked car can't knock anyone off anything.

That is not to say that illegal parking should be tolerated, but some
people really ought to think what it is they're claiming.

QUOTE: He would like schools and community centres to be given more powers to be able to fine motorists who flout parking rules. “We have cars speeding down roads near schools showing no care about people, even children crossing the road.

“Therefore, I would like to motion that schools and community centres be given the authority to issue fines themselves, and the money put back into said community. ENDS

QUOTE: "Any vehicles found to be parking illegally will receive a penalty charge notice.” ENDS

"SEE IT - REPORT IT - SORT IT"
AS WE SAY IN THE TRADE. :-)

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> QUOTE: He would like schools and community centres to be given more
> powers to be able to fine motorists who flout parking rules. “We have
> cars speeding down roads near schools showing no care about people, even
> children crossing the road.
>
> “Therefore, I would like to motion that schools and community centres be
> given the authority to issue fines themselves, and the money put back
> into said community. ENDS
>
> QUOTE: "Any vehicles found to be parking illegally will receive a penalty
> charge notice.” ENDS
>
> "SEE IT - REPORT IT - SORT IT"
> AS WE SAY IN THE TRADE. :-)

But of course if they don’t look, they won’t find…voters can be very
fickle.

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Spike

QUOTE: His motion asks the City Council to write to the relevant cabinet member at Shire Hall and ask them to do more to prevent illegal and unsafe parking outside schools and community centres in order to stop a lot of the anti-social drivers. ENDS

But these drivers revel in their anti-social behaviours - why do they have loud music, loud exhausts and screeching tyres?
Their "sod them" parking is just another aspect of these chavs' raison d'être - stuff the children's safety.

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> QUOTE: His motion asks the City Council to write to the relevant cabinet
> member at Shire Hall and ask them to do more to prevent illegal and
> unsafe parking outside schools and community centres in order to stop a
> lot of the anti-social drivers. ENDS
>
> But these drivers revel in their anti-social behaviours - why do they
> have loud music, loud exhausts and screeching tyres?
> Their "sod them" parking is just another aspect of these chavs' raison
> d'être - stuff the children's safety.

Perhaps they take their cue from the pavement cyclists who scream “Get out
of the f*****g way, I’m not stopping”.

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Spike

QUOTE: An incident where a child was knocked off their bike in Gloucester has sparked calls for a clampdown on illegal parking outside city schools. Gloucester City Councillors are due to debate a motion this week which calls for more action to prevent illegal and unsafe parking outside schools. ENDS

Drivers in Britain now need to be extra careful how they open their car door - or risk getting a fine of £1,000 under new rules.

Changes to The Highway Code have now come into effect for 2022, and one rule change sees a possible hefty fine being handed out to drivers who open their door carelessly.

The new rule has been put in place in order to protect cyclists, the Manchester Evening News reports.

All drivers and passengers in the UK have been warned about Highway Code rule changes to how they open their doors.

A new rule has been put in place to protect cyclists.

Instead of blindly opening a door, the 'Dutch Reach' requires you to use the hand furthest the door to open it - if you're the one behind the wheel, you'd use your left hand, on the passenger side, you would use your right.

Opening the door with the hand furthest away prompts a driver to turn their body towards the door and look over their shoulder as they go to leave their car.

The over-the-shoulder look as you reach for your door handle is a vital part of the method.

By doing this, they will get sight of any cyclists or pedestrians passing by their car that they may have missed if they hadn't checked.

The new section under rule 239 will now read: "Where you are able to do so, you should open the door using your hand on the opposite side to the door you are opening; for example, use your left hand to open a door on your right-hand side.

"This will make you turn your head to look over your shoulder. You are then more likely to avoid causing injury to cyclists or motor cyclists passing you on the road, or to people on the pavement."

If you injure someone by opening your door you can be punished by a fine of up to £1,000 but no penalty points can be added to the offender’s licence.

Extensive campaigning on the 'Dutch Reach' by Cycling UK has been key to the implementation of the new advice, says Devon Live.

Cycling UK estimate that over 500 people in the UK are injured annually by motorists opening a car door into someone's cycle path.

The issue was further brought into the public eye in 2016 when Chris Grayling, who was then serving as Transport Secretary, was caught knocking a cyclist off their bike when opening his door on Whitehall.

This technique is borrowed from the Netherlands, where it has always been used as standard for exiting a vehicle - hence the name, 'Dutch Reach.'

The latest addition of the Highway Code and the legal enforcement of new rules, comes into force on Saturday, January 29.

Whoever wrote the quoted piece below has slightly over-egged the cake. For
example:

QUOTE the 'Dutch Reach' requires you ENDQUOTE

One is not ‘required’ to use the technique.

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> QUOTE: An incident where a child was knocked off their bike in Gloucester
> has sparked calls for a clampdown on illegal parking outside city
> schools. Gloucester City Councillors are due to debate a motion this week
> which calls for more action to prevent illegal and unsafe parking outside schools. ENDS
>
> Drivers in Britain now need to be extra careful how they open their car
> door - or risk getting a fine of £1,000 under new rules.
>
> Changes to The Highway Code have now come into effect for 2022, and one
> rule change sees a possible hefty fine being handed out to drivers who
> open their door carelessly.
>
> The new rule has been put in place in order to protect cyclists, the
> Manchester Evening News reports.
>
> All drivers and passengers in the UK have been warned about Highway Code
> rule changes to how they open their doors.
>
> A new rule has been put in place to protect cyclists.
>
> Instead of blindly opening a door, the 'Dutch Reach' requires you to use
> the hand furthest the door to open it - if you're the one behind the
> wheel, you'd use your left hand, on the passenger side, you would use your right.
>
> Opening the door with the hand furthest away prompts a driver to turn
> their body towards the door and look over their shoulder as they go to leave their car.
>
> The over-the-shoulder look as you reach for your door handle is a vital part of the method.
>
> By doing this, they will get sight of any cyclists or pedestrians passing
> by their car that they may have missed if they hadn't checked.
>
> The new section under rule 239 will now read: "Where you are able to do
> so, you should open the door using your hand on the opposite side to the
> door you are opening; for example, use your left hand to open a door on
> your right-hand side.
>
> "This will make you turn your head to look over your shoulder. You are
> then more likely to avoid causing injury to cyclists or motor cyclists
> passing you on the road, or to people on the pavement."
>
> If you injure someone by opening your door you can be punished by a fine
> of up to £1,000 but no penalty points can be added to the offender’s licence.
>
> Extensive campaigning on the 'Dutch Reach' by Cycling UK has been key to
> the implementation of the new advice, says Devon Live.
>
> Cycling UK estimate that over 500 people in the UK are injured annually
> by motorists opening a car door into someone's cycle path.
>
> The issue was further brought into the public eye in 2016 when Chris
> Grayling, who was then serving as Transport Secretary, was caught
> knocking a cyclist off their bike when opening his door on Whitehall.
>
> This technique is borrowed from the Netherlands, where it has always been
> used as standard for exiting a vehicle - hence the name, 'Dutch Reach.'
>
> The latest addition of the Highway Code and the legal enforcement of new
> rules, comes into force on Saturday, January 29.
>

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Spike

A SHOCKING video caught the moment a driver ignored recently introduced Highway Code advice and caused a serious accident.

Captured on a Nextbase dash cam in a parked car, the video shows other cars parked along the side of a busy urban road ahead.

A grey VW Polo can be seen on the side of the road, but is hanging out in traffic straddling the lines of a parking bay.

The road in Orpington, Bromley is busy and getting out on the driver's side would require making sure nothing was coming from behind.

As part of new Highway Code rules introduced in January, drivers have been advised to adopt what's called a 'Dutch Reach' method in this situation.

This involves using the hand furthest from the door you're getting out of to open it, forcing you to turn at the same time and look behind while opening it a shorter distance.

This was clearly ignored by the Polo driver, who begins to open their door just as a blue Toyota RAV-4 is seen approaching from behind.

Just as the Toyota SUV reaches the Polo, the VW's door is flung open and the RAV-4 smashes into it.

The force pushes the Polo across the road back into the parking bay and smashes the driver's window.

It also causes lots of damage to the front of the Toyota, while the VW driver was lucky to avoid getting seriously hurt.

The bystander who recorded the incident, David Lovelace, said: “I was picking up my wife from work when it all happened.

"The lady parked on the curb and then opened her door, which the other car then hit.”

“The thing is, if it wasn’t for the Dash Cam, most people would think that the passing car was at fault, but it wasn’t.” Bryn Brooker, Head of Road Safety at Nextbase, said: “This incident could have ended terribly for both parties involved.

"At the very least, this incident shows a concerning lack of awareness on the part of the driver of the parked car, and that can be extremely dangerous both in this instance and on the road.

"Drivers leaving their vehicles should always check their blind spot before opening their door.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/19721841/watch-driver-ignore-new-highway-code-by-opening-door/

“…drivers have been advised to adopt what's called a 'Dutch Reach' method…”

I see someone is now busy winding their neck in after posting a message
that the so-called Dutch Read is ‘required’.

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> A SHOCKING video caught the moment a driver ignored recently introduced
> Highway Code advice and caused a serious accident.
>
> Captured on a Nextbase dash cam in a parked car, the video shows other
> cars parked along the side of a busy urban road ahead.
>
> A grey VW Polo can be seen on the side of the road, but is hanging out in
> traffic straddling the lines of a parking bay.
>
> The road in Orpington, Bromley is busy and getting out on the driver's
> side would require making sure nothing was coming from behind.
>
> As part of new Highway Code rules introduced in January, drivers have
> been advised to adopt what's called a 'Dutch Reach' method in this situation.
>
> This involves using the hand furthest from the door you're getting out of
> to open it, forcing you to turn at the same time and look behind while
> opening it a shorter distance.
>
> This was clearly ignored by the Polo driver, who begins to open their
> door just as a blue Toyota RAV-4 is seen approaching from behind.
>
> Just as the Toyota SUV reaches the Polo, the VW's door is flung open and
> the RAV-4 smashes into it.
>
> The force pushes the Polo across the road back into the parking bay and
> smashes the driver's window.
>
> It also causes lots of damage to the front of the Toyota, while the VW
> driver was lucky to avoid getting seriously hurt.
>
> The bystander who recorded the incident, David Lovelace, said: “I was
> picking up my wife from work when it all happened.
>
> "The lady parked on the curb and then opened her door, which the other car then hit.”
>
> “The thing is, if it wasn’t for the Dash Cam, most people would think
> that the passing car was at fault, but it wasn’t.” Bryn Brooker, Head of
> Road Safety at Nextbase, said: “This incident could have ended terribly
> for both parties involved.
>
> "At the very least, this incident shows a concerning lack of awareness on
> the part of the driver of the parked car, and that can be extremely
> dangerous both in this instance and on the road.
>
> "Drivers leaving their vehicles should always check their blind spot
> before opening their door.”
>
> https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/19721841/watch-driver-ignore-new-highway-code-by-opening-door/
>
>

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Spike

This is the moment a driver narrowly avoided serious injury when he opened his car door into the path of passing vehicle.

The Land Rover's door was ripped from its hinges in the collision on Riverbank Road in Sunderland, Tyne and Wear, which was captured on dashcam by a passing car.

Driving Instructor Peter Scott was passing the green Freelander parked on the opposite side of the road when a white Ford Fiesta approached. The driver of the Freelander opened his door, apparently without looking, and the Fiesta hit it, bending it back and ripping it from its hinges.

The driver appeared in shock as he got out of the vehicle and began to pick up his possessions strewn across the road, in the collision at 11.38am on August 19.

Rule 239 of the Highway Code rule states that you must ensure you do not hit anyone when you open your door – check for cyclists or other traffic.

Mr Scott, 57, from DrewMatic Driving School shared the footage online and wrote: 'Thankfully nobody was hurt, but this is an example why you should check your mirrors and blind spots before exiting your vehicle, and why you should try to pass a door's width from parked vehicles.'

The clip has been viewed over 15,000 times and received more than 200 comments, however viewers are divided over who is to blame.

One user commented: 'The f***** idiot in the Freelander is at fault, pick up yer door ya stupid a*** you'll no be dain that again.'

Another said: 'This happened to a friend of mine and the plonker opening the door was at fault in both insurance companies' eyes.'

A third wrote: 'If the Fiesta had been a cyclist things would be different, always check before throwing your door open into passing traffic.'

A fourth added: 'This is why you should always open the door with the arm furthest from the damn door.

'It stops you opening it quickly and forces your body to turn to look behind you as you open the door to see if anything is oncoming.'

Northumbria Police were unable to find any record of the incident being reported to them.

A spokesman for the force said: 'Anyone who sees anybody driving in a dangerous manner is asked to report it to Police by calling 101.'

The story shifts yet again…

First there was the ‘Dutch reach is required’

That was corrected to ‘Dutch reach advised’

And now we have ‘check your mirrors’…

An ever-moving target…

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is the moment a driver narrowly avoided serious injury when he
> opened his car door into the path of passing vehicle.
>
> The Land Rover's door was ripped from its hinges in the collision on
> Riverbank Road in Sunderland, Tyne and Wear, which was captured on
> dashcam by a passing car.
>
> Driving Instructor Peter Scott was passing the green Freelander parked on
> the opposite side of the road when a white Ford Fiesta approached. The
> driver of the Freelander opened his door, apparently without looking, and
> the Fiesta hit it, bending it back and ripping it from its hinges.
>
> The driver appeared in shock as he got out of the vehicle and began to
> pick up his possessions strewn across the road, in the collision at 11.38am on August 19.
>
> Rule 239 of the Highway Code rule states that you must ensure you do not
> hit anyone when you open your door – check for cyclists or other traffic.
>
> Mr Scott, 57, from DrewMatic Driving School shared the footage online and
> wrote: 'Thankfully nobody was hurt, but this is an example why you should
> check your mirrors and blind spots before exiting your vehicle, and why
> you should try to pass a door's width from parked vehicles.'
>
> The clip has been viewed over 15,000 times and received more than 200
> comments, however viewers are divided over who is to blame.
>
> One user commented: 'The f***** idiot in the Freelander is at fault, pick
> up yer door ya stupid a*** you'll no be dain that again.'
>
> Another said: 'This happened to a friend of mine and the plonker opening
> the door was at fault in both insurance companies' eyes.'
>
> A third wrote: 'If the Fiesta had been a cyclist things would be
> different, always check before throwing your door open into passing traffic.'
>
> A fourth added: 'This is why you should always open the door with the arm
> furthest from the damn door.
>
> 'It stops you opening it quickly and forces your body to turn to look
> behind you as you open the door to see if anything is oncoming.'
>
> Northumbria Police were unable to find any record of the incident being reported to them.
>
> A spokesman for the force said: 'Anyone who sees anybody driving in a
> dangerous manner is asked to report it to Police by calling 101.'

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Spike

On 12/07/2023 06:33 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> QUOTE: He would like schools and community centres to be given more powers to be able to fine motorists who flout parking rules. “We have cars speeding down roads near schools showing no care about people, even children crossing the road.
>
> “Therefore, I would like to motion that schools and community centres be given the authority to issue fines themselves, and the money put back into said community. ENDS
>
> QUOTE: "Any vehicles found to be parking illegally will receive a penalty charge notice.” ENDS
>
> "SEE IT - REPORT IT - SORT IT"
> AS WE SAY IN THE TRADE. :-)

Do "they" REALLY say that in the floor-mopping trade?

If so, why?

On 12/07/2023 10:12 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> This is the moment a driver narrowly avoided serious injury when he opened his car door into the path of passing vehicle.
>
> The Land Rover's door was ripped from its hinges in the collision on Riverbank Road in Sunderland, Tyne and Wear, which was captured on dashcam by a passing car.
>
> Driving Instructor Peter Scott was passing the green Freelander parked on the opposite side of the road when a white Ford Fiesta approached. The driver of the Freelander opened his door, apparently without looking, and the Fiesta hit it, bending it back and ripping it from its hinges.
>
> The driver appeared in shock as he got out of the vehicle and began to pick up his possessions strewn across the road, in the collision at 11.38am on August 19.
>
> Rule 239 of the Highway Code rule states that you must ensure you do not hit anyone when you open your door – check for cyclists or other traffic.
>
> Mr Scott, 57, from DrewMatic Driving School shared the footage online and wrote: 'Thankfully nobody was hurt, but this is an example why you should check your mirrors and blind spots before exiting your vehicle, and why you should try to pass a door's width from parked vehicles.'
>
> The clip has been viewed over 15,000 times and received more than 200 comments, however viewers are divided over who is to blame.
>
> One user commented: 'The f***** idiot in the Freelander is at fault, pick up yer door ya stupid a*** you'll no be dain that again.'
>
> Another said: 'This happened to a friend of mine and the plonker opening the door was at fault in both insurance companies' eyes.'
>
> A third wrote: 'If the Fiesta had been a cyclist things would be different, always check before throwing your door open into passing traffic.'
>
> A fourth added: 'This is why you should always open the door with the arm furthest from the damn door.
>
> 'It stops you opening it quickly and forces your body to turn to look behind you as you open the door to see if anything is oncoming.'
>
> Northumbria Police were unable to find any record of the incident being reported to them.
>
> A spokesman for the force said: 'Anyone who sees anybody driving in a dangerous manner is asked to report it to Police by calling 101.'

What has any of that above chav-rant got to do with chav-bikes (other
than the fact that chavs ride chav-bikes, I mean)?

QUOTE:
> He would like schools and community centres to be given more powers to be able to fine motorists who flout parking rules. “We have cars speeding down roads near schools showing no care about people, even children crossing the road. ENDS

Motorists have been urged to slow down near schools after a roadside study carried out earlier this year revealed 'extremely concerning' speeding statistics.

Analysis of vehicle speeds outside a primary school in Berkshire found that more than a fifth (21 per cent) of drivers were caught travelling in excess of the 30mph speed limit.

The average speed for those over the limit was 34.1mph, which increasing a vehicle's stopping distance by 11.4 metres.

The study was conducted over a fortnight on Bray Road near Oldfield Primary School in Maidenhead.

During the two-week experiment carried out by insurer Churchill, it clocked over 17,000 of the 83,000 vehicles driving past the school travelling at speeds over the 30mph limit.

Cars were, on average, 14 per cent over the legal limit, despite clear signage of both the 30mph speed limit and the proximity to the primary school.

Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:

> The story shifts yet again…
>
> First there was the ‘Dutch reach is required’
>
> That was corrected to ‘Dutch reach advised’
>
> And now we have ‘check your mirrors’…
>
> An ever-moving target…
>
> swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

References to the ‘Dutch Reach’ have now been dropped. Unsurprisingly…

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Spike

There are large numbers of vulnerable young people outside schools at start and finish times. Where it is feasible to do so, we aim to introduce 20mph speed limits outside schools.

Research has found clear evidence that decreased traffic speeds reduce collisions and casualties. Collisions happen less often and when they do happen there is less risk of fatal injury.

20mph speed limits introduced elsewhere across the UK have provided additional benefits including health benefits through increased walking and cycling, as well as quality of life and community benefits.

Where the average speed is considered to be sufficiently low, 20mph limits have been introduced using signs only. There will not be any additional traffic calming measures (such as speed humps).

This is because national research and practice has shown that where the average speed is at or below 24mph, signs alone will be enough to ensure drivers comply with the new speed limit.

Additional traffic calming measures will only be considered where speeds remain significantly higher than 24mph 12 months after the introduction of the new speed limit.

For most locations advisory speed limits which make clear the association with a school will be effective in achieving appropriate speeds. Some locations however, may need a mandatory speed limit introducing with a Traffic Regulation Order.

Most schools are in residential areas so the introduction of a 20mph speed limit will have positive benefits for residents at all times of the day, weekends and during school holidays. Therefore we intend to introduce 24 hour speed limits outside schools on residential roads.

Variable speed limits will be introduced on main traffic distributor roads:

20mph limits during school start and finish times, Monday to Friday during term-time only
30mph (or appropriate) at all other times.

We are currently working with the police to develop appropriate strategies for enforcement of mandatory 20mph speed limits.