On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Jim Jackson wrote:

> On 2024-02-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Jim Jackson wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can I say how happy I am that (as far as I know), no-one is shouting about
>>>>> "rigged elections" and threatening the election workers?
>>>>>
>>>>> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.
>>>>
>>>> There's been plenty of proof about rigged elections in the US
>>>
>>> You mean by making it difficult for some sections of society to register
>>> to vote? etc
>>>
>>>> if you stray
>>>> a bit outside the socialist mainstream media. So that is beyond dispute.
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>> Ok F. me - everyone I don't agree with is a socialist!!!
>>>
>>> God save us from the yanks.
>>
>> Racist Jim!
>
> yes, I apologise :-) God save from some yanks

All is forgiven! I turn the other cheek! ;)

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024, Richard Robinson wrote:

> Jim Jackson said:
>> On 2024-02-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Jim Jackson wrote:
>>>> On 2024-02-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can I say how happy I am that (as far as I know), no-one is shouting about
>>>>>> "rigged elections" and threatening the election workers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> UK democracy is far from perfect, but we haven't sunk _that_ far.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's been plenty of proof about rigged elections in the US
>>>>
>>>> You mean by making it difficult for some sections of society to register
>>>> to vote? etc
>>>>
>>>>> if you stray
>>>>> a bit outside the socialist mainstream media. So that is beyond dispute.
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>
>>>> Ok F. me - everyone I don't agree with is a socialist!!!
>>>>
>>>> God save us from the yanks.
>>>
>>> Racist Jim!
>>
>> yes, I apologise :-) God save from some yanks
>
> Is "yank" actually a race ? Who won ? Or hasn't it finished yet ?

Just to make it clear, that was part of the joke. Where I am from, a
moslem is apparently a "race", so the concept of race is one of those woke
concepts that can be stretched indefinitely to mean anyone not of the
mainstream culture regardless of if we are talking gender, ideology,
religion, environment etc.

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

> And I know it was a long time ago, but you may have forgotten that it was the
> Tories who took us IN to Europe in the first place – then barely 2 years
> later the Labour government held a referendum with the stated objection of
> getting us out.

Socialists are always good at rewriting history. The classic is that
Hitler was a nazi and not a national _scoialist_. =)

>>
> It appears to be considered anti-semitic in this and other countries to
> point out that the Israeli government might not actually be entirely
> perfect. Expressing support for anyone opposing them seems to be a
> definite no-no.
>

I would go further than that, and suggest that even claiming that
Palestine has a right to exist can get you (or at least Jemermy Corbin)
in trouble. Two state solution ? - dream on

It will be interesting to see what happens if "our Jezza" decides to
stand as an independent candidate in Islington come the glorious day ...

On 17/02/2024 10:28, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

> Anti Semitism in the media generally (this is also an opinion) appears
> to get a disproportionally large amount of coverage, while major
> instances of genocide simply get swept under the carpet and leave no
> mark on history.

That is because the Israelis deliberately seem to want to obfuscate
between being an Israeli and necessarily being Jewish. The two do not
totally overlap but it feeds the idea that attacking Israel
automatically becomes anti-semitic. It is not. If those two are
separated it will become all too clear that the Israeli government is
'not behaving well' - something they really don't want to happen.

Chris

On 17/02/2024 11:33, D wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>
>> Is "yank" actually a race ? Who won ? Or hasn't it finished yet ?
>
> Just to make it clear, that was part of the joke. Where I am from, a
> moslem is apparently a "race", so the concept of race is one of those
> woke concepts that can be stretched indefinitely to mean anyone not of
> the mainstream culture regardless of if we are talking gender, ideology,
> religion, environment etc.

Yes, I get that. Some countries see the world that way. Those of us in
countries that do not will do well to preserve the distinctions. We
should seek to resist all attempts to allow race or religion equalling
the country's government. That way lies the return to racism and a
whole lot of other 'isms.

Chris

On 17/02/2024 12:06, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
>
>>>
>> It appears to be considered anti-semitic in this and other countries
>> to point out that the Israeli government might not actually be
>> entirely perfect. Expressing support for anyone opposing them seems to
>> be a definite no-no.
>>
>
> I would go further than that, and suggest that even claiming that
> Palestine has a right to exist can get you (or at least Jemermy Corbin)
> in trouble. Two state solution ? - dream on
>
Indeed.

> It will be interesting to see what happens if "our Jezza" decides to
> stand as an independent candidate in Islington come the glorious day ...
It could be very interesting, when you bear in mind that he has had a
steadily increasing majority in every election since he first moved in
and stood there.

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D said:
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>
>> Is "yank" actually a race ? Who won ? Or hasn't it finished yet ?
>
> Just to make it clear, that was part of the joke. Where I am from, a
> moslem is apparently a "race", so the concept of race is one of those woke
> concepts that can be stretched indefinitely to mean anyone not of the
> mainstream culture regardless of if we are talking gender, ideology,
> religion, environment etc.

Some people say silly things. This allows other people to think it's
okay to say silly things. They're still silly.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Sam Plusnet wrote:

> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.

Disregarding any perceived bias in reporting ...

The actual factual reporting afterwards was pretty poor, I thought,
everything has to be a video, all sharing their opinion about why it was
like it was, but no plain table of numbers and pie charts of the 2024
result c.f. the 2019 result.

On 17/02/2024 15:13, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
>
> Disregarding any perceived bias in reporting ...
>
> The actual factual reporting afterwards was pretty poor, I thought,
> everything has to be a video, all sharing their opinion about why it was
> like it was, but no plain table of numbers and pie charts of the 2024
> result c.f. the 2019 result.

I have not seen a breakdown of the results, but I hear that the Reform
candidate came in 3rd in both of them ? - so that would suggest a
pretty awful result for the LibDems ?

Abandoned Trolley said:
> On 17/02/2024 15:13, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>
>>> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
>>
>> Disregarding any perceived bias in reporting ...
>>
>> The actual factual reporting afterwards was pretty poor, I thought,
>> everything has to be a video, all sharing their opinion about why it
>> was like it was, but no plain table of numbers and pie charts of the
>> 2024 result c.f. the 2019 result.
>
> I have not seen a breakdown of the results, but I hear that the Reform
> candidate came in 3rd in both of them ? - so that would suggest a
> pretty awful result for the LibDems ?

Any other result for them would have been newsworthy enough to be
remarked upon ?

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

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In message <uqqips$fb8u$1@dont-email.me>, Abandoned Trolley
<fred@fred-smith.co.uk> writes
>On 17/02/2024 15:13, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>
>>> The vote count is currently underway in two bye-elections.
>> Disregarding any perceived bias in reporting ...
>> The actual factual reporting afterwards was pretty poor, I thought,
>>everything has to be a video, all sharing their opinion about why it
>>was like it was, but no plain table of numbers and pie charts of the
>>2024 result c.f. the 2019 result.
>
>I have not seen a breakdown of the results, but I hear that the Reform
>candidate came in 3rd in both of them ? - so that would suggest a
>pretty awful result for the LibDems ?
>

In both cases they lost their deposits. I goove that is rarely
considered a good result.

Adrian
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On 17/02/2024 16:41, Adrian wrote:
> In message <uqqips$fb8u$1@dont-email.me>, Abandoned Trolley
> <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> writes
>> I have not seen a breakdown of the results, but I hear that the Reform
>> candidate came in 3rd in both of them ? - so that would suggest a
>> pretty awful result for the LibDems ?
>>
>
> In both cases they lost their deposits. I goove that is rarely
> considered a good result.
>
10% is more than they have ever done in the past.

The real downside is that the car storage guy is threatening to resurface.

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John.