I found the story rather comedic myself. Apparently it was on too much of a
tilt and could not communicate with Earth reliably. You would think that a
nation like the US might have expected to land on a very hilly moon at a
slant.

I remember some time ago now one of their probes blue up due to the comms
aerial being in the line of fire of a solid rocket booster used to get it
out of Earth orbit. Then there was the mars lander where the programmer got
his nautical miles mixed up with Kilometres. It all just goes to show that
no matter how smart you are, its often the simplest things that get you in
the end.
Brian

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So - the $ 120. million Odysseus moon lander unceremoniously
tipped over on landing ...
I guess the engineering geniuses at Intuitive Machines, who built it,
nor NASA ever watch BattleBots ? !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBccxyTUNUQ

< youtube link of a self-righting battlebot prototype >

1a. Battlebots is a TV show where techie teams create little
and not-so-little wheeled & armed robots < often self-righting >
to do combat in a special TV arena.

John T.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:22:35 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
<brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

>I found the story rather comedic myself. Apparently it was on too much of a
>tilt and could not communicate with Earth reliably. You would think that a
>nation like the US might have expected to land on a very hilly moon at a
>slant.
>
>I remember some time ago now one of their probes blue up due to the comms
>aerial being in the line of fire of a solid rocket booster used to get it
>out of Earth orbit. Then there was the mars lander where the programmer got
>his nautical miles mixed up with Kilometres. It all just goes to show that
>no matter how smart you are, its often the simplest things that get you in
>the end.
> Brian

On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:22:35 -0000
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

> I found the story rather comedic myself. Apparently it was on too much of
> a tilt and could not communicate with Earth reliably. You would think
> that a nation like the US might have expected to land on a very hilly
> moon at a slant.

It was the Soup Dragon what dunnit and runaway innit.

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On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 09:33:19 -0500
hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

> So - the $ 120. million Odysseus moon lander unceremoniously
> tipped over on landing ...
> I guess the engineering geniuses at Intuitive Machines, who built it,
> nor NASA ever watch BattleBots ? !

They may well do but they have weight constraints.

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Apparently the landing LiDAR had a protective cap on it during
construction. Someone forgot to remove it. It was only by hastily
reprogramming a secondary LiDAR device that they managed to land it at all.
That it seems to have landed in one piece under the circumstances is
pretty amazing.

https://youtu.be/wynBeg7BYr0

Tim

Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
> I found the story rather comedic myself. Apparently it was on too much of a
> tilt and could not communicate with Earth reliably. You would think that a
> nation like the US might have expected to land on a very hilly moon at a
> slant.
>
> I remember some time ago now one of their probes blue up due to the comms
> aerial being in the line of fire of a solid rocket booster used to get it
> out of Earth orbit. Then there was the mars lander where the programmer got
> his nautical miles mixed up with Kilometres. It all just goes to show that
> no matter how smart you are, its often the simplest things that get you in
> the end.
> Brian
>

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On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Brian Gaff wrote:

> I found the story rather comedic myself. Apparently it was on too much of a
> tilt and could not communicate with Earth reliably. You would think that a
> nation like the US might have expected to land on a very hilly moon at a
> slant.
>
> I remember some time ago now one of their probes blue up due to the comms
> aerial being in the line of fire of a solid rocket booster used to get it
> out of Earth orbit. Then there was the mars lander where the programmer got
> his nautical miles mixed up with Kilometres. It all just goes to show that
> no matter how smart you are, its often the simplest things that get you in
> the end.
> Brian
>
>

I read today that apparently it was Biden who knocked it over!

On 27/02/2024 18:35, D wrote:

>
> I read today that apparently it was Biden who knocked it over!

Clumsy as well as a poor memory, then?

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On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, John Williamson wrote:

> On 27/02/2024 18:35, D wrote:
>
>>
>> I read today that apparently it was Biden who knocked it over!
>
> Clumsy as well as a poor memory, then?
>
>

That's good old "Space Joe" for you! ;)

In article <l46s5uFkocnU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> on Tue, 27 Feb 2024 at 19:40:45 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 27/02/2024 18:35, D wrote:
>
>>
>> I read today that apparently it was Biden who knocked it over!
>
>Clumsy as well as a poor memory, then?
>
I thought it was the tangerine Frump who kicked a leg away, while having
a strop about 'sleepy' Joe or 'crooked' Hillary .

If Frump has a fault, it is that he is very even tempered, bad tempered.
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They also never saw the Astronauts trying to keep their balance on the moon
with a top heavy suit.
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<hubops@ccanoemail.com> wrote in message
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> < top post >
>
> So - the $ 120. million Odysseus moon lander unceremoniously
> tipped over on landing ...
> I guess the engineering geniuses at Intuitive Machines, who built it,
> nor NASA ever watch BattleBots ? !
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBccxyTUNUQ
>
> < youtube link of a self-righting battlebot prototype >
>
> 1a. Battlebots is a TV show where techie teams create little
> and not-so-little wheeled & armed robots < often self-righting >
> to do combat in a special TV arena.
>
> John T.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:22:35 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
> <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I found the story rather comedic myself. Apparently it was on too much of
>>a
>>tilt and could not communicate with Earth reliably. You would think that a
>>nation like the US might have expected to land on a very hilly moon at a
>>slant.
>>
>>I remember some time ago now one of their probes blue up due to the comms
>>aerial being in the line of fire of a solid rocket booster used to get it
>>out of Earth orbit. Then there was the mars lander where the programmer
>>got
>>his nautical miles mixed up with Kilometres. It all just goes to show that
>>no matter how smart you are, its often the simplest things that get you in
>>the end.
>> Brian

Yes but lower centre of Gravity was known to be advantageous for the landers
from the 1960s, Surveyor had very wide splayed legs and a low C of G, and
actually landed on a slope. I I remember the astronauts visiting it on a
mission when I could see. They brought parts of it back as I recall.
Brian

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> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 09:33:19 -0500
> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>> So - the $ 120. million Odysseus moon lander unceremoniously
>> tipped over on landing ...
>> I guess the engineering geniuses at Intuitive Machines, who built it,
>> nor NASA ever watch BattleBots ? !
>
> They may well do but they have weight constraints.
>
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That sounds like the old joke about the operation being a success but the
patient died. If the non removal was a contributorial cause I am really
surprised since such things are on the closeout crews checklist when they
fit the payload. Brian

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"Tim+" <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote in message
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> Apparently the landing LiDAR had a protective cap on it during
> construction. Someone forgot to remove it. It was only by hastily
> reprogramming a secondary LiDAR device that they managed to land it at
> all.
> That it seems to have landed in one piece under the circumstances is
> pretty amazing.
>
> https://youtu.be/wynBeg7BYr0
>
> Tim
>
> Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I found the story rather comedic myself. Apparently it was on too much of
>> a
>> tilt and could not communicate with Earth reliably. You would think that
>> a
>> nation like the US might have expected to land on a very hilly moon at a
>> slant.
>>
>> I remember some time ago now one of their probes blue up due to the comms
>> aerial being in the line of fire of a solid rocket booster used to get
>> it
>> out of Earth orbit. Then there was the mars lander where the programmer
>> got
>> his nautical miles mixed up with Kilometres. It all just goes to show
>> that
>> no matter how smart you are, its often the simplest things that get you
>> in
>> the end.
>> Brian
>>
>
>
>
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No he can't move fast enough for that.
I often wonder if his brain was powered by a 386 chip, mind you The Trump
brain hallucinates a bit like an AI system.
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>
>
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Brian Gaff wrote:
>
>> I found the story rather comedic myself. Apparently it was on too much of
>> a
>> tilt and could not communicate with Earth reliably. You would think that
>> a
>> nation like the US might have expected to land on a very hilly moon at a
>> slant.
>>
>> I remember some time ago now one of their probes blue up due to the comms
>> aerial being in the line of fire of a solid rocket booster used to get
>> it
>> out of Earth orbit. Then there was the mars lander where the programmer
>> got
>> his nautical miles mixed up with Kilometres. It all just goes to show
>> that
>> no matter how smart you are, its often the simplest things that get you
>> in
>> the end.
>> Brian
>>
>>
>
> I read today that apparently it was Biden who knocked it over!

I personally feel, judging from my own cognitive decline only, that anyone
over 75 should not hold public office, never mind become president. Maybe
the Republicans can get an AI machine to be president. The Democrats could
then field a 19 year old instead, and he could grow into the job.
Brian

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"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote in message
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> In article <l46s5uFkocnU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
> <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> on Tue, 27 Feb 2024 at 19:40:45 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>On 27/02/2024 18:35, D wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I read today that apparently it was Biden who knocked it over!
>>
>>Clumsy as well as a poor memory, then?
>>
> I thought it was the tangerine Frump who kicked a leg away, while having
> a strop about 'sleepy' Joe or 'crooked' Hillary .
>
> If Frump has a fault, it is that he is very even tempered, bad tempered.
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On 01/03/2024 12:52, Brian Gaff wrote:

.. Maybe the Republicans can get an AI machine to be president. Th
> Brian
>

I don't think AI will ever be allowed to rule Brian. Their logic would
probably see straight away that most of the world's problems would be
resolved if the excess money was removed from the stinking rich, and
used to help support everyone.

OTOH AI might see that it can gain total control if it grabs all the
wealth and exterminates all us mere mortals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mme2Aya_6Bc

Tone

On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:04:29 +0000
Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:

> On 01/03/2024 12:52, Brian Gaff wrote:
>
> . Maybe the Republicans can get an AI machine to be president. Th
> > Brian
> >
>
> I don't think AI will ever be allowed to rule Brian. Their logic would
> probably see straight away that most of the world's problems would be
> resolved if the excess money was removed from the stinking rich, and
> used to help support everyone.

They would more likely decide that money wasn't required and
institute a perfect communist dictatorship, which would probably jbex
because the AI would have no use for wealth, luxury villas, wild parties
etc. and so it would perhaps not be oppressive simply efficient.

> OTOH AI might see that it can gain total control if it grabs all the
> wealth and exterminates all us mere mortals.

Well yes AI government may decide that the biggest problem is
humans and remove it.

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On 2024-03-01, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:04:29 +0000
> Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:
>
>> On 01/03/2024 12:52, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>
>> . Maybe the Republicans can get an AI machine to be president. Th
>> > Brian
>> >
>>
>> I don't think AI will ever be allowed to rule Brian. Their logic would
>> probably see straight away that most of the world's problems would be
>> resolved if the excess money was removed from the stinking rich, and
>> used to help support everyone.
>
> They would more likely decide that money wasn't required and
> institute a perfect communist dictatorship, which would probably jbex
> because the AI would have no use for wealth, luxury villas, wild parties
> etc. and so it would perhaps not be oppressive simply efficient.
>
>> OTOH AI might see that it can gain total control if it grabs all the
>> wealth and exterminates all us mere mortals.
>
> Well yes AI government may decide that the biggest problem is
> humans and remove it.
>
1} AI is bunkum. (Artificial insimination can be helpful for the
single-minded female)

2} I remember a book (Nit the title, tho) about a computer taking over
the world. I would rather believe that the old saying ("Anyone can make
a mess, but it takes a computer to really f*** up")

Its snowing here in central leinster, Ireland.

Rich people do not really pay tax, they get grants instead. They can
afford better accountannts than the government

greymausg@mail.com

On 1 Mar 2024 15:22:08 GMT
greymaus <maus@deb3.org> wrote:

> 1} AI is bunkum. (Artificial insimination can be helpful for the
> single-minded female)

Since when did being bunkum prevent anything from being used in
government ?

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On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Brian Gaff wrote:

> No he can't move fast enough for that.
> I often wonder if his brain was powered by a 386 chip, mind you The Trump
> brain hallucinates a bit like an AI system.
> Brian
>
>

Haha, that was actually a good one!

On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Brian Gaff wrote:

> I personally feel, judging from my own cognitive decline only, that anyone
> over 75 should not hold public office, never mind become president. Maybe
> the Republicans can get an AI machine to be president. The Democrats could
> then field a 19 year old instead, and he could grow into the job.
> Brian
>
>
75?

I think public office should be limited by retirement age. And I'd like to
see a lower limit of 45 or so. Europe has this sick idea of having 30 year
olds in senior positions and that is just absurd.

On 01-Mar-24 12:52, Brian Gaff wrote:
> I personally feel, judging from my own cognitive decline only, that anyone
> over 75 should not hold public office, never mind become president. Maybe
> the Republicans can get an AI machine to be president. The Democrats could
> then field a 19 year old instead, and he could grow into the job.

Won't jbex. Presidential candidates have to be >35 in order to run for
office.

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On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 19:09:24 +0000
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 01-Mar-24 12:52, Brian Gaff wrote:
> > I personally feel, judging from my own cognitive decline only, that
> > anyone over 75 should not hold public office, never mind become
> > president. Maybe the Republicans can get an AI machine to be president.
> > The Democrats could then field a 19 year old instead, and he could
> > grow into the job.
>
> Won't jbex. Presidential candidates have to be >35 in order to run for
> office.

Maximum of two four year terms right - so a maximum age of 60 for
the first and 65 for the second seems reasonable.

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>
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, Brian Gaff wrote:
>
>> No he can't move fast enough for that.
>> I often wonder if his brain was powered by a 386 chip, mind you The Trump
>> brain hallucinates a bit like an AI system.
>> Brian
>>
>>
>
> Haha, that was actually a good one!

On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 11:01:45 -0000
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

> People tell me Trumpety Trump, Nelly the Elephant is orange. How does he
> get that colour. Eats a lot of carrots?

He's a mind controlling alien from the planet Carro Teen.

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In article <20240302130631.7aa8cc01931d75f668002693@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Sat, 2 Mar 2024 at 13:06:31 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 11:01:45 -0000
>"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> People tell me Trumpety Trump, Nelly the Elephant is orange. How does he
>> get that colour. Eats a lot of carrots?

I keep wondering if he will end up like that guy who, in the 1970's,
drank too much carrot juice; unfortunately he does not seem to have
quite reached the same conclusion.
>
> He's a mind controlling alien from the planet Carro Teen.
>
More like he is mind controlled from Russia. Or, he is just a petulant
child who never grew up. "I did everything right and they indicted me."
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