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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Mon, 14 Aug 2023 09:54 UTC

Councillor Mark Ieronimo, portfolio holder for roads, and transport, said: “We are delighted to be working in partnership with Safer Roads Humber to deliver this scheme. Installing red light enforcement cameras on dangerous junctions is an effective way to reduce the number of collisions and injuries on the road.

“The cameras will also help enforce traffic rules and deter drivers from running red lights - this will make the junction safer for everyone, including pedestrians and cyclists.”

The funding for this scheme was awarded to Hull City Council after submitting a funding bid to the Safer Roads Humber Board in April 2023.

Ian Robertson, partnership manager at Safer Roads Humber, said: “We are committed to reducing those killed or injured on the roads of our area, working in partnership with the four local authorities, the Police, Fire service, National Highways, and others to achieve this.

“The most recent figures for those killed or seriously injured show a reduction of nine per cent in our area compared to three per cent nationally which is encouraging, however there is much for us all to do, to reduce those casualties further.

“We are pleased to be supporting this red light camera initiative in partnership with Hull City Council as it has been proven around the country that these systems reduce the number of collisions at the junctions.

“If road users change their behaviour to adhere to the red light signals and refrain from exceeding the speed limits through the junction, it will be a much safer junction for all, especially those most vulnerable on the road.”

The contract will be awarded to a specialist contractor, who will carry out the work in the near future on behalf of Hull City Council. The contract will last six years, whereby annual maintenance and calibration of the equipment will be done.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/clampdown-red-light-jumpers-one-8674440

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 by: Spike - Mon, 14 Aug 2023 10:41 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> Councillor Mark Ieronimo, portfolio holder for roads, and transport,
> said: “We are delighted to be working in partnership with Safer Roads
> Humber to deliver this scheme. Installing red light enforcement cameras
> on dangerous junctions is an effective way to reduce the number of
> collisions and injuries on the road.
>
> “The cameras will also help enforce traffic rules and deter drivers from
> running red lights - this will make the junction safer for everyone,
> including pedestrians and cyclists.”

[…]

> https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/clampdown-red-light-jumpers-one-8674440

The junctions will only become safer if bicyclists are also subject to
enforcement. Any chance of that?

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Mon, 14 Aug 2023 12:00 UTC

14 min ago

As a pedestrian using this crossing on a regular basis I always check when the green man indicates to cross as I have lost count of the number of times cars are still coming through the lights when they are clearly at red. A very dangerous junction. !!!!

The problem is that too many drivers are in a hurry these days... chancers, amber gamblers, and the people who just don't care.

You can guarantee every traffic light junction in East Yorkshire is the same, some are clearly worse than others. Since the end of the covid lockdown and people started driving again, driving standards in general have gone down the toilet.

5 hrs ago

The " let's hit the motorists" brigade are spouting the usual rubbish, the problem is there is a large proportion of drivers who think that rules of the road,including traffic 🚦 lights don't apply to them, if the only way is to make them take note is to have these systems in place so IF and WHEN they DO "run," the red lights, may be, just may be, they'll change and make the roads safer for everyone.

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 by: Spike - Mon, 14 Aug 2023 14:01 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> 14 min ago
>
> As a pedestrian using this crossing on a regular basis I always check
> when the green man indicates to cross as I have lost count of the number
> of times cars are still coming through the lights when they are clearly
> at red. A very dangerous junction. !!!!

All cars RLJing, but no bicyclists doing so.

Where is the Junction of the Saintly Cyclist?

> The problem is that too many drivers are in a hurry these days...
> chancers, amber gamblers, and the people who just don't care.

“…and the people who just don't care” presumably includes cyclists but that
dare not be mentioned…

> You can guarantee every traffic light junction in East Yorkshire is the
> same, some are clearly worse than others. Since the end of the covid
> lockdown and people started driving again, driving standards in general
> have gone down the toilet.

If driving standards have gone down the toilet, presumably they followed
cyclists…

> 5 hrs ago
>
> The " let's hit the motorists" brigade are spouting the usual rubbish,
> the problem is there is a large proportion of drivers who think that
> rules of the road,including traffic 🚦 lights don't apply to them, if the
> only way is to make them take note is to have these systems in place so
> IF and WHEN they DO "run," the red lights, may be, just may be, they'll
> change and make the roads safer for everyone.

But cyclists just don’t care what colour traffic light is showing, or
whether people are crossing.

There’s a huge dollop of PKB here.

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 by: JNugent - Mon, 14 Aug 2023 14:43 UTC

On 14/08/2023 10:54 am, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> Councillor Mark Ieronimo, portfolio holder for roads, and transport, said: “We are delighted to be working in partnership with Safer Roads Humber to deliver this scheme. Installing red light enforcement cameras on dangerous junctions is an effective way to reduce the number of collisions and injuries on the road.
>
> “The cameras will also help enforce traffic rules and deter drivers from running red lights - this will make the junction safer for everyone, including pedestrians and cyclists.”
>
> The funding for this scheme was awarded to Hull City Council after submitting a funding bid to the Safer Roads Humber Board in April 2023.
>
> Ian Robertson, partnership manager at Safer Roads Humber, said: “We are committed to reducing those killed or injured on the roads of our area, working in partnership with the four local authorities, the Police, Fire service, National Highways, and others to achieve this.
>
> “The most recent figures for those killed or seriously injured show a reduction of nine per cent in our area compared to three per cent nationally which is encouraging, however there is much for us all to do, to reduce those casualties further.
>
> “We are pleased to be supporting this red light camera initiative in partnership with Hull City Council as it has been proven around the country that these systems reduce the number of collisions at the junctions.
>
> “If road users change their behaviour to adhere to the red light signals and refrain from exceeding the speed limits through the junction, it will be a much safer junction for all, especially those most vulnerable on the road.”
>
> The contract will be awarded to a specialist contractor, who will carry out the work in the near future on behalf of Hull City Council. The contract will last six years, whereby annual maintenance and calibration of the equipment will be done.
>
> https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/clampdown-red-light-jumpers-one-8674440

Will the cameras help in identifying the many chavs on chav-bikes who
ignore red traffic lights in 'Ull?

If so, how?

If not, why not?

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Mon, 14 Aug 2023 15:24 UTC

1 hr ago

Excellent, this should have been done years ago. Let's hope they catch the ones who stop in box junctions also. This needs doing on all major junctions.

HERE YOU GO!

Hull City Council is set to get new powers to stop traffic offences and is eyeing up a central junction to target, with people asked to have their say..

The authority is looking to use new powers to tackle illegal entry into yellow boxes in Ferensway, on the route into Paragon Interchange. Senior councillors say enforcement there and across the city would improve road safety, tackle congestion and shorten bus journeys.

A six-week consultation on the council being able to enforce moving traffic rules opened on Friday. It comes ahead of a council application to the Government to obtain enforcement powers.

Local highway authorities can apply to enforce rules including on waiting in box junctions and ignoring no-entry signs. At present, only the police have the power to tackle such offences in Hull.

If the Government approves the application, it will also mean that the authority will be able to enforce rules preventing banned turns and entry into pedestrian-restricted zones. The council also hopes the measures will help encourage more walking and cycling.

Officials are looking at using the powers to stop illegal entry into the yellow boxes from Brook Street, across Ferensway, leading into Hull Paragon Interchange's entrance route, Margret Moxon Way. The council plans to put up more cameras to catch drivers illegally entering box junctions if the Government approves its application for enforcement powers.

However, some critics of council enforcement powers have warned that drivers could become "cash cows" if fined for offences such as entering yellow boxes. Simon Williams, a spokesman for the RAC, told the This Is Money financial website: "In some cases, we believe enforcement may actually increase congestion as a result of drivers hesitating before moving for fear of being fined."

Cllr Mark Ieronimo, Hull's Transport Portfolio Holder, said he would highly encourage people to take part in the consultation. "The council is currently in the process of applying for the powers to enforce moving traffic contraventions across the city," he added.

"These powers could help in many ways, such as tackling congestion and helping traffic flow, improving road safety for pedestrians and cyclists, and shortening journey times for public transport. This consultation is a fantastic opportunity for residents to express their views on the moving traffic enforcement powers."

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