Just bought this.

https://www.motorhomedepot.com/vehicle/view/65f013b56e633

The old Hymer we have already is fine, but the layout doesn't really
suit us and we can't find anyone who will fit a tow-bar to it.

Tow-bar kits are availabubble for the above.

So..... we're on the road with our trailer of mobility scooterererers!
Well, soonerish anyway.

Can I get our 4G to jbex? That is another matter.

Tone

On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 17:03:06 +0000, Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:

>Just bought this.
>
>https://www.motorhomedepot.com/vehicle/view/65f013b56e633
>
>The old Hymer we have already is fine, but the layout doesn't really
>suit us and we can't find anyone who will fit a tow-bar to it.
>Tow-bar kits are availabubble for the above.
>So..... we're on the road with our trailer of mobility scooterererers!
>Well, soonerish anyway.
>Can I get our 4G to jbex? That is another matter.
>Tone
>

Pretty nice looking 20 year old !
Dumb question from left-of-pond - 2.8 turbo direct injected -
big 4 cyl ? or small 6 ? gas or diesel ?
I tried to google it but no luck.
I've recently discovered a very negative feature of my
2 litre gas direct injected Kia car - the valves get carboned-up
pretty bad and it loses power on hard acceleration & hills ..
- no misfire; no check engine light; no sputtering ; no smoking ;
just real sluggish performance .. Some folks recommend
ongoing regular valve-cleaner treatment.
.. _now_ they tell me . :-(
Enjoy the travels.
John T.

<hubops@ccanoemail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 17:03:06 +0000, Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:
>
>> Just bought this.
>>
>> https://www.motorhomedepot.com/vehicle/view/65f013b56e633
>>
>> The old Hymer we have already is fine, but the layout doesn't really
>> suit us and we can't find anyone who will fit a tow-bar to it.
>> Tow-bar kits are availabubble for the above.
>> So..... we're on the road with our trailer of mobility scooterererers!
>> Well, soonerish anyway.
>> Can I get our 4G to jbex? That is another matter.
>> Tone
>>
>
> Pretty nice looking 20 year old !
> Dumb question from left-of-pond - 2.8 turbo direct injected -
> big 4 cyl ? or small 6 ? gas or diesel ?

Big four. Diesel. As gas/petrol isn’t free over here it’s *very* rare for
any large vehicle to run on gas.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On 12 Mar 2024 18:25:15 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:

><hubops@ccanoemail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 17:03:06 +0000, Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just bought this.
>>>
>>> https://www.motorhomedepot.com/vehicle/view/65f013b56e633
>>>
>>> The old Hymer we have already is fine, but the layout doesn't really
>>> suit us and we can't find anyone who will fit a tow-bar to it.
>>> Tow-bar kits are availabubble for the above.
>>> So..... we're on the road with our trailer of mobility scooterererers!
>>> Well, soonerish anyway.
>>> Can I get our 4G to jbex? That is another matter.
>>> Tone
>>>
>>
>> Pretty nice looking 20 year old !
>> Dumb question from left-of-pond - 2.8 turbo direct injected -
>> big 4 cyl ? or small 6 ? gas or diesel ?
>
>Big four. Diesel. As gas/petrol isn’t free over here it’s *very* rare for
>any large vehicle to run on gas.
>Tim
>

Good.
Diesel direct injection shouldn't lead to valve problems .. :-)
John T.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 17:03:06 +0000, Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:

>Just bought this.
>
>https://www.motorhomedepot.com/vehicle/view/65f013b56e633
>
>The old Hymer we have already is fine, but the layout doesn't really
>suit us and we can't find anyone who will fit a tow-bar to it.
>Tow-bar kits are availabubble for the above.
>So..... we're on the road with our trailer of mobility scooterererers!
>Well, soonerish anyway.
>Can I get our 4G to jbex? That is another matter.
>Tone
>

Maybe I'm missing the mark, but I think that your Hymer
would sell quite well this side of pond ..
Our smaller RVs seem to be stretched vans or
trucks with boxy add-ons .. a 4 cyl. diesel isn't in
the equation at all .. let alone a stick-shift !.
Your Hymer seems to tick-all-the-boxes
for size ; great interior efficiency ! etc.
If I didn't have to pay to store it for 6 months
< Canada > I'd love to own one.
... folk festivals here I come ! I wish ..
Enjoy Tony ! Best regards.
John T.

On 13/03/2024 02:00, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>
> Maybe I'm missing the mark, but I think that your Hymer
> would sell quite well this side of pond ..
> Our smaller RVs seem to be stretched vans or
> trucks with boxy add-ons .. a 4 cyl. diesel isn't in
> the equation at all .. let alone a stick-shift !.
> Your Hymer seems to tick-all-the-boxes
> for size ; great interior efficiency ! etc.
> If I didn't have to pay to store it for 6 months
> < Canada > I'd love to own one.
> .. folk festivals here I come ! I wish ..
> Enjoy Tony ! Best regards.
> John T.
>
>

That's interesting John. Some campers over here envy the Winnebagos you
have over there in Westpondia.

It seems that bigger motorhomes are needed by some here and smaller ones
by some over there?

The thing is due to our economic situation now in UK, some folks are
being forced to sell houses that they have on mortgage, because they
can't afford to keep up the payments, and with what's left over they
then look for a large motorhome to live in*.

Opportunity for a broker business I feel, but not for me at my age!
You'd need a lot of investment to ship 'em across both ways, but the
percentage returns on your money would seem viable.

Nice light loads for a cargo boat though.

Just an idea.

*Also they buy live aboard narrowboats** on our canal system. I did that
for 12 years. But as t'other John here might testify, that could be a
mistake. It ain't that cheap any more, and it's going to get a lot less
cheaperererer.

**That spiel chucker wants to rename 'arrowroots'.

Tone

On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 04:23:28 +0000, Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:

>Opportunity for a broker business I feel, but not for me at my age!
>You'd need a lot of investment to ship 'em across both ways, but the
>percentage returns on your money would seem viable.
>
>Nice light loads for a cargo boat though.
>
>Just an idea.

Doubt the leftpondians would adapt to right-hand drive...

Thomas Prufer

On 13/03/2024 04:23, Hymermut wrote:
> On 13/03/2024 02:00, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Maybe I'm missing the mark, but I think that your Hymer
>> would sell quite well this side of pond ..
>> Our smaller RVs seem to be stretched vans or
>> trucks with boxy add-ons .. a 4 cyl. diesel isn't in
>> the equation at all .. let alone a stick-shift !.
>> Your Hymer seems to tick-all-the-boxes
>> for size ; great interior efficiency ! etc.
>> If I didn't have to pay to store it for 6 months
>> < Canada > I'd love to own one.
>> .. folk festivals here I come ! I wish ..
>> Enjoy Tony ! Best regards.
>> John T.
>>
>>
>
> That's interesting John. Some campers over here envy the Winnebagos you
> have over there in Westpondia.
>
> It seems that bigger motorhomes are needed by some here and smaller ones
> by some over there?
>
> The thing is due to our economic situation now in UK, some folks are
> being forced to sell houses that they have on mortgage, because they
> can't afford to keep up the payments, and with what's left over they
> then look for a large motorhome to live in*.
>
> Opportunity for a broker business I feel, but not for me at my age!
> You'd need a lot of investment to ship 'em across both ways, but the
> percentage returns on your money would seem viable.
>
> Nice light loads for a cargo boat though.
>
That's as may be but weight only really matters when you are flying,
though there are regular roll on roll off ferry services between Yourope
and Cananadia. The trip may pay if you buy and sell where they already
drive on the wring side, and most of the ones we buy are made there anyway.

> Just an idea.
>
> *Also they buy live aboard narrowboats** on our canal system. I did that
> for 12 years. But as t'other John here might testify, that could be a
> mistake. It ain't that cheap any more, and it's going to get a lot less
> cheaperererer.
>
Yeah,I expect my licence and mooring costs to roughly double over the
next few years in real terms, much more in cash terms if inflation
doesn't drop. On Farcebwk, we often have to warn optimists that boating
is not a cheap life unless you travel endlessly.

When I was in The Big Smoke, the boat loan payments and other fixed
costs were about the same as a studio flat with the same floor area. It
was and is much more fun, though.

I've recently changed my mooring to one which is much cheaperer than the
previous one, so I no longer need to hit the savings as hard. The
increase in those buying motorhomes to live in is partly due to many not
being able to afford to buy and keep a narrowboat.

Renting a house or flat is much more expensive than the mortgage
payments to buy one, and once you own your home,it is by far the
cheapest way to keep the weather off. I sold my house for what seemed
like a good reason at the time. Hey, ho...

> **That spiel chucker wants to rename 'arrowroots'.
Tasty.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 13/03/2024 04:23, Hymermut wrote:
> On 13/03/2024 02:00, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Maybe I'm missing the mark, but I think that your Hymer
>> would sell quite well this side of pond ..
>> Our smaller RVs seem to be stretched vans or
>> trucks with boxy add-ons .. a 4 cyl. diesel isn't in
>> the equation at all .. let alone a stick-shift !.
>> Your Hymer seems to tick-all-the-boxes
>> for size ; great interior efficiency ! etc.
>> If I didn't have to pay to store it for 6 months
>> < Canada > I'd love to own one.
>> .. folk festivals here I come ! I wish ..
>> Enjoy Tony ! Best regards.
>> John T.
>>
>
> That's interesting John. Some campers over here envy the Winnebagos you
> have over there in Westpondia.

I've always wanted an Airstream. Gorgeous to look at. But can't afford
anything like that.

>
> It seems that bigger motorhomes are needed by some here and smaller ones
> by some over there?
>
> The thing is due to our economic situation now in UK, some folks are
> being forced to sell houses that they have on mortgage, because they
> can't afford to keep up the payments, and with what's left over they
> then look for a large motorhome to live in*.
>
> Opportunity for a broker business I feel, but not for me at my age!
> You'd need a lot of investment to ship 'em across both ways, but the
> percentage returns on your money would seem viable.
>
> Nice light loads for a cargo boat though.
>
> Just an idea.
>
> *Also they buy live aboard narrowboats** on our canal system. I did that
> for 12 years. But as t'other John here might testify, that could be a
> mistake. It ain't that cheap any more, and it's going to get a lot less
> cheaperererer.
>
> **That spiel chucker wants to rename 'arrowroots'.
>
> Tone
>
>

--
Chris Elvidge, England
TEACHER IS NOT A LEPER

On 13/03/2024 06:34, Thomas Prufer wrote:

> Hymermut wrote:
>
>> Opportunity for a broker business I feel, but not for me at my age!
>> You'd need a lot of investment to ship 'em across both ways, but the
>> percentage returns on your money would seem viable.
>> Nice light loads for a cargo boat though.
>> Just an idea.
>
> Doubt the leftpondians would adapt to right-hand drive...

Most Hymermobiles I've seen in the UK have been LHD

On 13/03/2024 12:54, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> On 13/03/2024 06:34, Thomas Prufer wrote:
>
>> Hymermut wrote:
>>
>>> Opportunity for a broker business I feel, but not for me at my age!
>>> You'd need a lot of investment to ship 'em across both ways, but the
>>> percentage returns on your money would seem viable.
>>> Nice light loads for a cargo boat though.
>>> Just an idea.
>>
>> Doubt the leftpondians would adapt to right-hand drive...
>
> Most Hymermobiles I've seen in the UK have been LHD
>
Someone I knew (recently deceased) used to have a business shipping
European ones into the UK and sorting the paperwork. Until Europe ran
out of them...
They were all LHD.

Chris

In article <l5e1jrFm2drU1@mid.individual.net>, chrisnd@privacy.net
<chrisnd@privacy.net> on Wed, 13 Mar 2024 at 16:12:43 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>On 13/03/2024 12:54, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>> On 13/03/2024 06:34, Thomas Prufer wrote:
>>
>>> Hymermut wrote:
>>>
>>>> Opportunity for a broker business I feel, but not for me at my age!
>>>> You'd need a lot of investment to ship 'em across both ways, but the
>>>> percentage returns on your money would seem viable.
>>>> Nice light loads for a cargo boat though.
>>>> Just an idea.
>>>
>>> Doubt the leftpondians would adapt to right-hand drive...
>>
>> Most Hymermobiles I've seen in the UK have been LHD
>>
>Someone I knew (recently deceased) used to have a business shipping
>European ones into the UK and sorting the paperwork. Until Europe ran
>out of them...
>They were all LHD.
>
A question from a naive non-driving member of he shed group.

Are there any vehicles designed to be able to be changed from LHD to RHD
and vice versa after manufacture?

In an aircraft where the primary pilot's location is off centre from the
line of travel, is always located on the port side? Why?
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 13-Mar-24 7:39, John Williamson wrote:
> On 13/03/2024 04:23, Hymermut wrote:

>> *Also they buy live aboard narrowboats** on our canal system. I did that
>> for 12 years. But as t'other John here might testify, that could be a
>> mistake. It ain't that cheap any more, and it's going to get a lot less
>> cheaperererer.
>>
> Yeah,I expect my licence and mooring costs to roughly double over the
> next few years in real terms, much more in cash terms if inflation
> doesn't drop. On Farcebwk, we often have to warn optimists that boating
> is not a cheap life unless you travel endlessly.
>
> When I was in The Big Smoke, the boat loan payments and other fixed
> costs were about the same as a studio flat with the same floor area. It
> was and is much more fun, though.
>
> I've recently changed my mooring to one which is much cheaperer than the
> previous one, so I no longer need to hit the savings as hard. The
> increase in those buying motorhomes to live in is partly due to many not
> being able to afford to buy and keep a narrowboat.
>
> Renting a house or flat is much more expensive than the mortgage
> payments to buy one, and once you own your home,it is by far the
> cheapest way to keep the weather off. I sold my house for what seemed
> like a good reason at the time. Hey, ho...

Bottom line is that generally, bricks & mortar will increase in value -
or at the least hold its value.
Pretty much any alternative - 'mobile homes', motor homes, boats etc.
decline in value over time.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 13/03/2024 20:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 13-Mar-24 7:39, John Williamson wrote:

>> Renting a house or flat is much more expensive than the mortgage
>> payments to buy one, and once you own your home,it is by far the
>> cheapest way to keep the weather off. I sold my house for what seemed
>> like a good reason at the time. Hey, ho...
>
> Bottom line is that generally, bricks & mortar will increase in value -
> or at the least hold its value.
> Pretty much any alternative - 'mobile homes', motor homes, boats etc.
> decline in value over time.
>
As my Dad used to say. "Buy land, they aren't making any more and demand
is increasing."

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 13/03/2024 18:54, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>
> A question from a naive non-driving member of he shed group.
>
> Are there any vehicles designed to be able to be changed from LHD to RHD
> and vice versa after manufacture?

There are a few with the steering wheel in the centre.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1295461&i=0

On 13/03/2024 20:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
> Pretty much any alternative - 'mobile homes', motor homes, boats etc.
> decline in value over time.

But then the outlay is much less. And then there is more fun to be had
by being mobile.

I have a sheltered flat. Most of my elderly neighbours hardly ever go
out. They are stuck in front of the haunted fishtank all day.

I am determined not to go there. Since I got some inheritance from me
dear old Mum, I've lost housing benefit. That will eat into the funds
quite quickly.

Also, I am lucky that I can still drive atm with the state of my legs
(DVTs 25 years ago). Sepsis beckons. And at my age vehicle insurance
gets more and more expensive year by year*. So, I am determined to be
out there enjoying festivals and concerts as much as I can this year,
and hopefully next year too.

The idea is to build up a 'Coffin Dodgers' video blog, so that if we
survive into the housebound stage, at least we will have many happy
memories to look back on instead of watching the drivel that is daytime
TV now.

Also it will be a legacy for my offspring, who will be able to see what
i spent their inheritance on!

*When I included my neighbour, who is a bit of a carer for me, on my car
insurance, it went down by about £250 quid. He is still in his 60s.

Tone

On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 16:12:43 +0000, "chrisnd@privacy.net" <chrisnd@privacy.net>
wrote:

>Someone I knew (recently deceased) used to have a business shipping
>European ones into the UK and sorting the paperwork. Until Europe ran
>out of them...
>They were all LHD.
>
>Chris

Come to think of it: I think I have seen RHD vehicles in the US, possibly LHD
with a student driver/teacher second steering wheel and brake/gas pedal.

It was a rural postperson, sitting on the right and driving along a country
lane, placing the mail in the mailbox along the verge, big stack of mail on the
left seat. Window open, pull up, pop mail in, remove departing mail, or even
just remove departing mail if the flag thing is set.

Thomas Prufer

On 14/03/2024 00:51, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 13/03/2024 18:54, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>
>> A question from a naive non-driving member of he shed group.
>>
>> Are there any vehicles designed to be able to be changed from LHD to RHD
>> and vice versa after manufacture?
>
> There are a few with the steering wheel in the centre.
>
> https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1295461&i=0
>
The Matra referred to above may have been sold in the UK as the
"Matra-Simca Bagheera" ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matra_Bagheera

The slightly larger big brother "Murena" was fitted with a variant of
the 2.2 litre motor fitted to the Talbot Tagora, but did NOT have a
central driving position

My 1966 Mark 2 Jaguar was designed as a left hand drive model.

There are a couple of blanking plates on the passenger side of the
bulkhead where the clutch and brake master cylinders would be., so my
RHD "variant" has the master cylinders tucked in a similar position on
the right, just in front of the battery, but in such a way that the
easiest way to remove the battery is by taking the bonnet off.

In my view the majority of indicator / wiper stalk arrangements are
optimised for LHD fitting

I have lost count of the number of vehicles which have a bonnet release
either in the passenger footwell of the shut face of the passenger door.

My last Ford Focus had a brake servo on the left - connected by rod and
cable to the pedal on the right, and I am sure that one of the Mondeos
which I owned had a similar arrangement.

Thomas Prufer wrote:

> Come to think of it: I think I have seen RHD vehicles in the US,

Yes, all the leftpond last-mile postal vehicles (rather angular looking
things) are RHD so the pos^H^H^Hmail man doesn't step out into traffic

<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Grumman_LLV_Drivers_Side.png/1920px-Grumman_LLV_Drivers_Side.png>

On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:50:08 +0000, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid>
wrote:

>Thomas Prufer wrote:
>
>> Come to think of it: I think I have seen RHD vehicles in the US,
>
>Yes, all the leftpond last-mile postal vehicles (rather angular looking
>things) are RHD so the pos^H^H^Hmail man doesn't step out into traffic
>
><https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Grumman_LLV_Drivers_Side.png/1920px-Grumman_LLV_Drivers_Side.png>

Or this setup, with a jury-rigged look about it:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/37520/these-trick-pulley-systems-are-what-mail-carriers-use-to-make-their-cars-right-hand-drive

(Steering wheel on the right, connected to the wheel shaft on the left with a
rubber belt and pulleys).

Thomas Prufer

Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:

>
> Also it will be a legacy for my offspring, who will be able to see what
> i spent their inheritance on!

It’s an important duty of any parent to protect their offspring from any
chance of having to pay inheritance tax. Well done.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On 14/03/2024 11:33, Tim+ wrote:
> Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Also it will be a legacy for my offspring, who will be able to see what
>> i spent their inheritance on!
>
> It’s an important duty of any parent to protect their offspring from any
> chance of having to pay inheritance tax. Well done.
>
> Tim

This may also be of use:
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/inheritance-tax-planning-iht/

Chris

In article <2030221480.732108754.354774.timdownieuk-yahoo.co.youkay@news
..individual.net>, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> on Thu, 14 Mar
2024 at 11:33:54 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Also it will be a legacy for my offspring, who will be able to see what
>> i spent their inheritance on!
>
>It’s an important duty of any parent to protect their offspring from any
>chance of having to pay inheritance tax. Well done.
>
Few people pay Inheritance Tax, more importantly there is an important
duty to protect your offspring from gold diggers.
>

--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
> Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Also it will be a legacy for my offspring, who will be able to see what
>> i spent their inheritance on!
>
> It’s an important duty of any parent to protect their offspring from any
> chance of having to pay inheritance tax. Well done.
>
> Tim
>
>

Sadly, vehicles are included in the estate for the purposes of IHT 😞

In article <uta5pg$bh0d$2@dont-email.me>, Brian <noinv@lid.org> on
Mon, 18 Mar 2024 at 19:48:00 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>> Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Also it will be a legacy for my offspring, who will be able to see what
>>> i spent their inheritance on!
>>
>> It’s an important duty of any parent to protect their offspring from any
>> chance of having to pay inheritance tax. Well done.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>
>Sadly, vehicles are included in the estate for the purposes of IHT ?
>
As Sam Plusnet said, mostly they are a depreciating asset though. A
cellar full of Beaujolais Nouveau might fulfil the same role.

An alternative might be old vintage port, which you steadily drink your
through, making sure that you keep all the empty bottles so that they
can see what you spent their inheritance on. That is what I would do if
I had an inheritance to leave.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"