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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sun, 2 Jul 2023 12:27 UTC

As a peloton of the world's strongest and fastest 180 cyclists race stage two of the world's biggest bike race, millions more around the globe will similarly take to their bikes today. And while a tiny fraction of that number will ride as far at as great speeds as the pros, nor will many wear fancy kit aboard carbon race bikes worth thousands, cycling as a sport is unique in that people from quite literally every corner of the globe also enjoy and rely on the humble bicycle to get around.

It's a fact demonstrated by the breadth of topics covered on this website, cycling is so much more than just the sport, and at its heart is and always will be a mode of transport that became a leisure activity and something to be competed at. For 99.9 per cent (you can add as many nines to that as you wish) of people who ride a bicycle, it will never be about wearing a yellow jersey although, of course, the transformative effect of cycling for transport, leisure or fitness can still be enormous without pinning on a race number.

Penning a piece for Oxford-based cycling campaign Cyclox (link is external), Andy Chivers, a trustee of the group asked the question: 'Does elite cycling get people onto their bikes?' and suggested "we need to get a different message across – that cycling is not the preserve of the super fit but is for (almost) everyone".

Recalling seeing the Women's Tour visit Oxford last year, Chivers was quick to point out the view is not a dig at pro cycling, "It is impossible not to admire the strength and stamina of those riders," he wrote.
Women's Tour Oxford (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

However, the point is, "does cycle racing encourage ordinary people to get on their bikes?"

"Maybe not," he suggested. "Seeing elite cyclists in gruelling events may reinforce the belief that cycling is for other people – mainly fit young men in Lycra, on bikes that weigh nothing and cost the earth. Cycle racing must seem to most of us a world apart from riding your bike around the city.

"Somehow, we need to get a different message across – that cycling is not the preserve of the super fit but is for (almost) everyone. It can be done slowly, at your leisure, and you don't need to be particularly fit to ride for several miles."

It is a point we heard earlier in the year from BBC and Channel 5 presenter, and London cycle commuter Jeremy Vine, who called for the media portrayal of cyclists to move away from Lycra and race bikes.

"[It's] guaranteed to make 99 per cent of people think 'that looks like a professional," Vine suggested about a news story reporting the health benefits of cycling illustrated with a picture of a 'sport cyclist' in Lycra, wearing a helmet, almost certainly riding a bike costing multiple thousands. "Hey, cycle in anything you like and get just a fit as helmet guy," Vine said.

Leicestershire Loves Cycling, a campaign group promoting cycling in the East Midlands county, added: "Those images entrench attitudes around 'cyclists'. We will never get the cultural change we need to see unless people understand from pictures that cycling is for children, women, the elderly, the disabled. It's not just for those who are on racing bikes and sporty. That's niche."

Cyclox's Chivers continued: "Cycling has the potential to become ingrained in our way of life. It offers more than just sport. It can get us to work or school, help us shop and visit friends. Cyclox aims to make it easier for everyone to get on a bike and ride safely in and around Oxford, so we are interested in what encourages people to take up cycling.
Chiswick High Road 02 copyright Simon MacMichael

"Seeing ordinary people happily riding bikes around the neighbourhood makes it seem possible for others to try it. Example and word of mouth is the best advert."

Promoting some of the campaign's work, notably the women-only JoyRiders initiative, the trustee explained, "It not only shows that bikes are for women as much as for men, it also helps new cyclists choose routes that feels safe and pleasant."

"And here is a conundrum," he wrote. "Most people driving cars are on main roads. They don't see the happy cycle rider on the quiet cycle path nearby, but do see the cyclists who are battling with traffic on the main road. Their impression is inevitably blinkered by the route they take. They are unaware of the lovely quiet alternatives that exist.

"The elite Tour de France cyclists are probably not the best ambassadors for cycling. Those of us riding bikes around the city take on that role. By example we may encourage others to think riding a bike is possible for them. We need to remember this as we ride and think how we can offer a positive image of cycling: smile, be considerate of others, ride confidently and take the lane when you need to, wear normal clothes.

"And imagine that each ride you go on might convince a car driver to become a bike rider. Now that's something to smile about."

https://road.cc/content/news/cycle-campaign-group-says-cycling-everyone-302275

Re: Cycle campaign group says chav-cycling needs to be for everyone, not just Tour de France peloton

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 by: JNugent - Sun, 2 Jul 2023 14:00 UTC

On 02/07/2023 01:27 pm, swldx...@gmail.com [the Chief Chav] wrote:

> As a peloton of the world's strongest and fastest 180 chav-cyclists race stage two of the world's biggest chav-bike race, millions more around the globe will similarly take to their chav-bikes today. And while a tiny fraction of that number will ride as far at as great speeds as the pros, nor will many wear fancy kit aboard carbon race chav-bikes worth thousands, chav-cycling as a sport is unique in that people from quite literally every corner of the globe also enjoy and rely on the humble chav-bicycle to get around.
> It's a fact demonstrated by the breadth of topics covered on this website, fairy-cycling is so much more than just the sport, and at its heart is and always will be a mode of transport that became a leisure activity and something to be competed at. For 99.9 per cent (you can add as many nines to that as you wish) of people who ride a fairy-bicycle, it will never be about wearing a yellow jersey although, of course, the transformative effect of chav-cycling for transport, leisure or fitness can still be enormous without pinning on a race number.
> Penning a piece for Oxford-based fairy-cycling campaign Cyclox (link is external), Andy Chivers, a trustee of the group asked the question: 'Does elite chav-cycling get people onto their fairy-bikes?' and suggested "we need to get a different message across – that chav-cycling is not the preserve of the super fit but is for (almost) everyone".
> Recalling seeing the Women's Tour visit Oxford last year, Chivers was quick to point out the view is not a dig at pro chav-cycling, "It is impossible not to admire the strength and stamina of those riders," he wrote.
> Women's Tour Oxford (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
> However, the point is, "does chav-cycle racing encourage ordinary people to get on their fairy-bikes?"
> "Maybe not," he suggested. "Seeing elite fairy-cyclists in gruelling events may reinforce the belief that chav-cycling is for other people – mainly fit young men in Lycra, on fairy-bikes that weigh nothing and cost the earth. Chav-Cycle racing must seem to most of us a world apart from riding your fairy-bike around the city.
> "Somehow, we need to get a different message across – that chav-cycling is not the preserve of the super fit but is for (almost) everyone. It can be done slowly, at your leisure, and you don't need to be particularly fit to ride for several miles."
> It is a point we heard earlier in the year from BBC and Channel 5 presenter, and London super-chav-cycle commuter Jeremy Vine, who called for the media portrayal of fairy-cyclists to move away from Lycra and race bikes.
> "[It's] guaranteed to make 99 per cent of people think 'that looks like a professional," Vine suggested about a news story reporting the health benefits of chav-cycling illustrated with a picture of a 'sport fairy-cyclist' in Lycra, wearing a helmet, almost certainly riding a chav-bike costing multiple thousands. "Hey, fairy-cycle in anything you like and get just a fit as helmet guy," Vine said.
> Leicestershire Loves Chav Cycling, a campaign group promoting chav-cycling in the East Midlands county, added: "Those images entrench attitudes around 'fairy-cyclists'. We will never get the cultural change we need to see unless people understand from pictures that chav-cycling is for children, women, the elderly, the disabled. It's not just for those who are on racing fairy-bikes and sporty. That's niche."
> Chav-Cyclox's Chivers continued: "Chav-cycling has the potential to become ingrained in our way of life. It offers more than just sport. It can get us to work or school, help us shop and visit friends. Chav-Cyclox aims to make it easier for everyone to get on a fairy-bike and ride safely in and around Oxford, so we are interested in what encourages people to take up chav-cycling.
> Chiswick High Road 02 copyright Simon MacMichael
> "Seeing ordinary people happily riding fairy-bikes around the neighbourhood makes it seem possible for others to try it. Example and word of mouth is the best advert."
>> Promoting some of the campaign's work, notably the women-only JoyRiders initiative, the trustee explained, "It not only shows that chav-bikes are for women as much as for men, it also helps new fairy-cyclists choose routes that feels safe and pleasant."

"...routes that feels safe..."

road.cc at its semi-literate best, again.
>
> "And here is a conundrum," he wrote. "Most people driving cars are on main roads. They don't see the happy chav-cycle rider on the quiet fairy-cycle path nearby, but do see the chavs on bikes who are battling with traffic on the main road. Their impression is inevitably blinkered by the route they take. They are unaware of the lovely quiet alternatives that exist.
> "The elite Tour de France fairy-cyclists are probably not the best ambassadors for chav-cycling. Those of us riding chav-bikes around the city take on that role. By example we may encourage others to think riding a fairy-bike is possible for them. We need to remember this as we ride and think how we can offer a positive image of fairy-cycling: smile, be considerate of others, ride confidently and take the lane when you need to, wear normal clothes.

Does anyone get the impression that for some chavs-on-bikes at least,
the penny has started its fall?
>
> "And imagine that each ride you go on might convince a car driver to become a fairy-bike rider. Now that's something to smile about."
>
> https://road.cc/content/news/cycle-campaign-group-says-cycling-everyone-302275

SUMMARY:

Chavs, writing in the main chav-press, want more people to behave like
chavs.

Move along. Nothing to see.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sun, 2 Jul 2023 15:18 UTC

mctrials23 | 109 posts | 1 hour ago
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Sorry but what is the point of all this waffling? If you want to get more people to cycle then make infrastructure better and safer and penalise drivers more. Until you do that you won't get loads of people cycling.

SIMPLE!

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 by: Spike - Sun, 2 Jul 2023 15:44 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> mctrials23 | 109 posts | 1 hour ago
> 4 likes
>
> Sorry but what is the point of all this waffling? If you want to get more
> people to cycle then make infrastructure better and safer and penalise
> drivers more. Until you do that you won't get loads of people cycling.
>
> SIMPLE!

Unfortunately, cyclists have yet to realise that they are their own worst
enemy when it comes to perception management. If you want ‘loads of people
cycling’ keep in mind that many of the target demographics see cyclists on
the pavement, ignoring red lights, and abusing pedestrian crossings,
doubtless thinking that they would not want to join such an antisocial
group. In other words, look to yourselves first.

--
Spike

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sun, 2 Jul 2023 16:04 UTC

QUOTE: "And imagine that each ride you go on might convince a car driver to become a bike rider. Now that's something to smile about." ENDS

Fewer psychos on the roads is always something to smile about.

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 by: Spike - Sun, 2 Jul 2023 18:33 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> QUOTE: "And imagine that each ride you go on might convince a car driver
> to become a bike rider. Now that's something to smile about." ENDS

> Fewer psychos on the roads is always something to smile about.

Exactly! Get cyclists off the roads!

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 by: Simon Mason - Sun, 2 Jul 2023 18:59 UTC

QUOTE: "[It's] guaranteed to make 99 per cent of people think 'that looks like a professional," Vine suggested about a news story reporting the health benefits of cycling illustrated with a picture of a 'sport cyclist' in Lycra, wearing a helmet, almost certainly riding a bike costing multiple thousands. "Hey, cycle in anything you like and get just a fit as helmet guy," Vine said. ENDS

Where are these "helmet guys" here?

https://bicycledutch.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/cycling-figures01.jpg

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Simon Mason <swldxer2022@gmail.com> wrote:
> QUOTE: "[It's] guaranteed to make 99 per cent of people think 'that looks
> like a professional," Vine suggested about a news story reporting the
> health benefits of cycling illustrated with a picture of a 'sport
> cyclist' in Lycra, wearing a helmet, almost certainly riding a bike
> costing multiple thousands. "Hey, cycle in anything you like and get just
> a fit as helmet guy," Vine said. ENDS
>
> Where are these "helmet guys" here?
>
> https://bicycledutch.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/cycling-figures01.jpg

Where are the health benefits?

THE FIVE MOST COMMON DISEASES IN THE NETHERLANDS

The Netherlands is located in Northwestern Europe and has a population of
about 17 million. Non-communicable diseases, like in many other parts of
the world, increasingly affect the Dutch and cause about 90 percent of
deaths in the country. The following are the most common diseases in the
Netherlands.

1. Neoplasms

The Netherlands has the 12th highest rate of cancer in the world, in part
due to increased awareness and diagnosis. Thirty-three percent of deaths in
the country are due to cancer. Lung cancer is the most prevalent, followed
by breast cancer and intestinal cancer. Skin cancer and pancreatic cancer
cases also are increasing, and, between 2005 and 2015, the mortality rate
of pancreatic cancer increased by 12 percent.

During that same period, the mortality rate of lung cancer, which is
especially common because of smoking, increased by six percent. The
premature death rates and prevalence of lung cancer, pancreatic cancer and
breast cancer are significantly higher in the Netherlands than in similar
countries.

2. Cardiovascular Disease (CVD)

CVD causes 29 percent of deaths in the Netherlands. Although the mortality
rate of CVD has declined since the second half of the 20th century, the
burden remains. Ischemic heart disease is especially crippling to the
country. In 2007, it was estimated that about 730,400 people were living
with ischemic heart disease.

3. Chronic Respiratory Diseases

Chronic respiratory diseases cause six percent of deaths. Lung diseases in
the Netherlands are especially prevalent because of the high percentage of
smokers. About 28 percent of people in the country smoke. Because of this,
there are roughly 23,000 lung related deaths per year and over one million
lung patients.

In addition to lung cancer, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) is
also prevalent in the county. Between 2005 and 2015, the mortality rate of
COPD increased by 9.5 percent. The premature death rate is significantly
higher in the Netherlands compared to similar countries. COPD can lead to
emphysema and chronic bronchitis.

4. Mental and Behavioral Disorders

Mental health is important to recognize in the Netherlands. Depressive
disorders are a leading cause of death and disability in the country. In
2014, about eight percent of the population claimed to be suffering from
depression, accounting for more than one million people.

5. Alzheimer’s Disease

Dementia affects 1.47 percent of the Dutch population. In 2012, about
245,568 people lived with dementia. Alzheimer’s disease is especially
common as the mortality rate increased by 18.6 percent between 2005 and
2015. Risk factors of Alzheimer’s include age, genetics, traumatic brain
injury and mild cognitive impairment. Research also suggests that
cardiovascular disease and education level may be linked to the disease.

Poor lifestyle choices are commonly associated to many of these diseases.
Smoking, for example, is a major risk factor and something that should be
recognized when addressing rates of diseases such as lung cancer and COPD.
Improving health education is one step in helping decrease the rates of
these common diseases in the Netherlands.

<https://borgenproject.org/common-diseases-in-the-netherlands/>

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QUOTE: As a peloton of the world's strongest and fastest 180 cyclists race stage two of the world's biggest bike race. ENDS

GB riders took 1 and 2 position yesterday and still lead the race today.

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Simon Mason <swldxer2022@gmail.com> wrote:
> QUOTE: As a peloton of the world's strongest and fastest 180 cyclists
> race stage two of the world's biggest bike race. ENDS
>
> GB riders took 1 and 2 position yesterday and still lead the race today.

Are you speaking of the Tour de Riots?

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Adam Yates in still in yellow.

Adam Yates, as promised after getting the victory and the yellow jersey in the first stage, has worked in the second for his leader at UAE Team Emirates Tadej Pogacar.

The Briton nevertheless retained the lead of the Tour de France. He commented on this on the podium of the San Sebastián stage. "It's been a tough day, we've worked very well all day, leading the peloton all the time, we've set up Tadej for the bonus and then for the finish, so I think we've done a good job."

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling/adam-yates-will-spend-another-day-in-yellow-at-the-tour-de-france-it-was-tough-but-we-did-a-good-job-for-tadej

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