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* a closer shavehubops
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 by: hubops@ccanoemail.com - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 14:02 UTC

At last ! A new and improved shaving razor.

https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/afd/veritas-classic-double-razor?utm_campaign=485198_Apr1-ProdFeature-All-AprilFoolsDay-CA&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Lee%20Valley&dm_i=6EER,AEDQ,1IVKJH,1HPNA,1

Be sure to watch the little video and
click the More Infomation button.

John T.

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 16:59 UTC

On Mon, 01 Apr 2024 10:02:13 -0400
hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>
> At last ! A new and improved shaving razor.
>
> https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/afd/veritas-classic-double-razor?utm_campaign=485198_Apr1-ProdFeature-All-AprilFoolsDay-CA&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Lee%20Valley&dm_i=6EER,AEDQ,1IVKJH,1HPNA,1
>
> Be sure to watch the little video and
> click the More Infomation button.
>
> John T.

It's my belief that this post was made on the 1st of April.
I didn't watch the video, but did go to the website with the instructive
pictures, notably of the 'blades projecting too much' FAQ.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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 by: John Williamson - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 17:19 UTC

On 01/04/2024 17:59, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Apr 2024 10:02:13 -0400
> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> At last ! A new and improved shaving razor.
>>
>> https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/afd/veritas-classic-double-razor?utm_campaign=485198_Apr1-ProdFeature-All-AprilFoolsDay-CA&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Lee%20Valley&dm_i=6EER,AEDQ,1IVKJH,1HPNA,1
>>
>> Be sure to watch the little video and
>> click the More Infomation button.
>>
>> John T.
>
>
> It's my belief that this post was made on the 1st of April.
> I didn't watch the video, but did go to the website with the instructive
> pictures, notably of the 'blades projecting too much' FAQ.
>
There is a clue in the page title... "Apr1-ProdFeature-All-AprilFoolsDay-"

I have to applaud the guy's straight face in the video.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 17:28 UTC

On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 17:59:40 +0100
"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> On Mon, 01 Apr 2024 10:02:13 -0400
> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
> >
> > At last ! A new and improved shaving razor.
> >
> > https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/afd/veritas-classic-double-razor?utm_campaign=485198_Apr1-ProdFeature-All-AprilFoolsDay-CA&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Lee%20Valley&dm_i=6EER,AEDQ,1IVKJH,1HPNA,1
>
> It's my belief that this post was made on the 1st of April.

Well AprilFoolsDay in the URL is a bit of a giveaway.

> I didn't watch the video, but did go to the website with the instructive
> pictures, notably of the 'blades projecting too much' FAQ.

Chattering blades looks to be less than fun TAAAW.

Ah well this shaving lark is a barberic practice best avoided.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 19:02 UTC

In article <20240401182801.9302e764b69acb7115b3e5e5@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Mon, 1 Apr 2024 at 18:28:01 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 17:59:40 +0100
>"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 01 Apr 2024 10:02:13 -0400
>> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > At last ! A new and improved shaving razor.
>> >
>> > https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/afd/veritas-classic-double-razor?utm_campaig
>n=485198_Apr1-ProdFeature-All-AprilFoolsDay-CA&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Lee%2
>0Valley&dm_i=6EER,AEDQ,1IVKJH,1HPNA,1
>>
>> It's my belief that this post was made on the 1st of April.
>
> Well AprilFoolsDay in the URL is a bit of a giveaway.
>
>> I didn't watch the video, but did go to the website with the instructive
>> pictures, notably of the 'blades projecting too much' FAQ.
>
> Chattering blades looks to be less than fun TAAAW.
>
> Ah well this shaving lark is a barberic practice best avoided.
>
WRT the barbaric practice:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68691987

In the time of the Crimean War nobody thought that there was anything
wrong with bearded soldiers.

Of course the Pioneer Sergeant of Infantry was expected to wear a full
set.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_sergeant

see History and Traditions.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

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 by: hubops@ccanoemail.com - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 19:21 UTC

On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 18:19:36 +0100, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

>On 01/04/2024 17:59, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> On Mon, 01 Apr 2024 10:02:13 -0400
>> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> At last ! A new and improved shaving razor.
>>>
>>> https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/afd/veritas-classic-double-razor?utm_campaign=485198_Apr1-ProdFeature-All-AprilFoolsDay-CA&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Lee%20Valley&dm_i=6EER,AEDQ,1IVKJH,1HPNA,1
>>>
>>> Be sure to watch the little video and
>>> click the More Infomation button.
>>>
>>> John T.
>>
>>
>> It's my belief that this post was made on the 1st of April.
>> I didn't watch the video, but did go to the website with the instructive
>> pictures, notably of the 'blades projecting too much' FAQ.
>>
>There is a clue in the page title... "Apr1-ProdFeature-All-AprilFoolsDay-"
>
>I have to applaud the guy's straight face in the video.
>

Some of their other special April 1 product releases
can be seen here :

https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/afd

One of them actually made it into production and is
still a catalog item.
< I bought several of them when I worked there >

https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools/hand-tools/marking-and-measuring/tapes/65359-lee-valley-story-tape?item=99W7850

John T.

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 by: John Williamson - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 20:16 UTC

On 01/04/2024 20:02, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <20240401182801.9302e764b69acb7115b3e5e5@eircom.net>, Ahem A
> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Mon, 1 Apr 2024 at 18:28:01 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>> Ah well this shaving lark is a barberic practice best avoided.
>>
> WRT the barbaric practice:
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68691987
>
> In the time of the Crimean War nobody thought that there was anything
> wrong with bearded soldiers.
>
> Of course the Pioneer Sergeant of Infantry was expected to wear a full
> set.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_sergeant
>
> see History and Traditions.
>
When I were in the Terriers,the reason for banning beards was given as
to improve the seal round your gas mask. I assume with the full Noddy
suits, that is no longer a promble.

I assume that them on the oggin and the fly-by-nights were not
expectedto be attacked that way, so beards were and are optional.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:52 UTC

In article <l70j1cFejorU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> on Mon, 1 Apr 2024 at 21:16:44 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 01/04/2024 20:02, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <20240401182801.9302e764b69acb7115b3e5e5@eircom.net>, Ahem A
>> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Mon, 1 Apr 2024 at 18:28:01 awoke
>> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>> Ah well this shaving lark is a barberic practice best avoided.
>>>
>> WRT the barbaric practice:
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68691987
>>
>> In the time of the Crimean War nobody thought that there was anything
>> wrong with bearded soldiers.
>>
>> Of course the Pioneer Sergeant of Infantry was expected to wear a full
>> set.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_sergeant
>>
>> see History and Traditions.
>>
>When I were in the Terriers,the reason for banning beards was given as
>to improve the seal round your gas mask. I assume with the full Noddy
>suits, that is no longer a promble.

I cannot remember the detail anymore or who was involved, but as I
remember it the abandonment of beards in the army had something to do
with the prejudices of a senior officer. This was somewhere around the
end of the 19th century. Of course the British Indian Army did allow
Sikh members to wear beards.

There are still people around who have a prejudice against people who
are bearded.
>
>I assume that them on the oggin and the fly-by-nights were not
>expectedto be attacked that way, so beards were and are optional.
>
Those on the oggin are frequently trained and practice at fighting
fires on board ships, in confined spaces, at sea. The fire fighters wear
respirators. WW1 and WW2 submarines are particularly difficult spaces;
most crews had a high percentage of non-shavers, while at sea.
--
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 by: Tease'n'Se - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 14:19 UTC

Nicholas D. Richards wrote:

> There are still people around who have a prejudice against people who
> are bearded.

Well, I don't even like the look of *myself* with a beard

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 by: Peter - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 14:24 UTC

Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote in news:vt-
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> Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>
>> There are still people around who have a prejudice against people who
>> are bearded.
>
> Well, I don't even like the look of *myself* with a beard

I can't remember the look of myself without a beard. 'twas April 1969 when I
started it.

--
Peter
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 by: John Williamson - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 14:45 UTC

On 01/04/2024 23:52, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <l70j1cFejorU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
> <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> on Mon, 1 Apr 2024 at 21:16:44 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>> On 01/04/2024 20:02, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>> In article <20240401182801.9302e764b69acb7115b3e5e5@eircom.net>, Ahem A
>>> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Mon, 1 Apr 2024 at 18:28:01 awoke
>>> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>>> Ah well this shaving lark is a barberic practice best avoided.
>>>>
>>> WRT the barbaric practice:
>>>
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68691987
>>>
>>> In the time of the Crimean War nobody thought that there was anything
>>> wrong with bearded soldiers.
>>>
>>> Of course the Pioneer Sergeant of Infantry was expected to wear a full
>>> set.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_sergeant
>>>
>>> see History and Traditions.
>>>
>> When I were in the Terriers,the reason for banning beards was given as
>> to improve the seal round your gas mask. I assume with the full Noddy
>> suits, that is no longer a promble.
>
> I cannot remember the detail anymore or who was involved, but as I
> remember it the abandonment of beards in the army had something to do
> with the prejudices of a senior officer. This was somewhere around the
> end of the 19th century. Of course the British Indian Army did allow
> Sikh members to wear beards.
>
Both versions are plausible, I was just quoting what I was told by the
company sergeant. Then again, what did the Army rules ever have to do
with logic?

> There are still people around who have a prejudice against people who
> are bearded.

True.
>>
>> I assume that them on the oggin and the fly-by-nights were not
>> expectedto be attacked that way, so beards were and are optional.
>>
> Those on the oggin are frequently trained and practice at fighting
> fires on board ships, in confined spaces, at sea. The fire fighters wear
> respirators. WW1 and WW2 submarines are particularly difficult spaces;
> most crews had a high percentage of non-shavers, while at sea.
>
The seal round a respirator doesn't have to be all that good, as they
tend to provide positive pressure using filtered air which blows the
stuff outwards, or, in extreme cases, compressed air cylinders.
Squaddies have to suck it in through the filter, so you get negative
pressure in the mask. You make a good point about not shaving in
confined spaces, though.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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 by: The Nomad - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 15:04 UTC

On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 15:45:49 +0100, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

> The seal round a respirator doesn't have to be all that good, as they
> tend to provide positive pressure using filtered air which blows the
> stuff outwards, or, in extreme cases, compressed air cylinders.
> Squaddies have to suck it in through the filter, so you get negative
> pressure in the mask. You make a good point about not shaving in
> confined spaces, though.

The requirement for a 'face fit test' (for RPE - respiratory protection
equipment) means even 12-24hrs stubble will (usually) result in failing
the 'test'.

I had a long discussion with a company for whom I sub-contract about it.

The requirement was a knee jerk reaction by a elf protection dept. (within
the civil service) who did not really understand the situation (no
really!).

The discussion revolved around me being 'face fitted' & hence close shaven
on the day. The other party (female obv. but not the H&S dept.) said oh
just shave that morning & then grow it back.

I pointed out the several flaws in that - not least my face would look
like a bowl of 'chopped-liver' if I wet shaved and not much better if by
'lectric.

I won - no 'face-fit', & still, hirsuitly, subbing for them.

Have fun all

Avpx

--
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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 15:07 UTC

In article <XnsB1489CB8BACDDFactura3476@135.181.20.170>, Peter
<myshed@prune.org.uk> on Tue, 2 Apr 2024 at 14:24:22 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote in news:vt-
>cndgx7Zh3jpH7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@brightview.co.uk:
>
>> Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>
>>> There are still people around who have a prejudice against people who
>>> are bearded.
>>
>> Well, I don't even like the look of *myself* with a beard
>
>I can't remember the look of myself without a beard. 'twas April 1969 when I
>started it.
>
June 1967 here.

The drairhesser trims it every 4 weeks. The first time she trimmed it
she did so with trepidation having never done so before. She only told
me after 15 years of trimming my beard.
--
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 15:03 UTC

In article <vt-cndgx7Zh3jpH7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid.?> on Tue, 2 Apr 2024 at
15:19:21 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>
>> There are still people around who have a prejudice against people who
>> are bearded.
>
>Well, I don't even like the look of *myself* with a beard

I look like an innocent and cuddly pussy cat with a beard. Whether
tweety pie should trust me with or without a beard, is another matter!

Am I a generous feeder of garden birds or the mammalian equivalent of an
Angler Fish?
--
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 15:07 UTC

On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 14:24:22 -0000 (UTC)
Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:

> Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote in news:vt-
> cndgx7Zh3jpH7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@brightview.co.uk:
>
> > Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> >
> >> There are still people around who have a prejudice against people who
> >> are bearded.
> >
> > Well, I don't even like the look of *myself* with a beard
>
> I can't remember the look of myself without a beard. 'twas April 1969
> when I started it.

Yours is about a decade older than mine but I also do not recall
what I looked like without it. I do recall it being a different colour
thobut.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 15:54 UTC

In article <XnsB1489CB8BACDDFactura3476@135.181.20.170>, Peter
<myshed@prune.org.uk> on Tue, 2 Apr 2024 at 14:24:22 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote in news:vt-
>cndgx7Zh3jpH7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@brightview.co.uk:
>
>> Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>
>>> There are still people around who have a prejudice against people who
>>> are bearded.
>>
>> Well, I don't even like the look of *myself* with a beard
>
>I can't remember the look of myself without a beard. 'twas April 1969 when I
>started it.
>
How times have changed. In the sixties and seventies going shaveless
was a subject of comment, often not very pleasant comment.

Today I doubt if anyone would say anything at all. It is a long time
since anyone has made a derogatory comment about my set.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 15:19 UTC

In article <l72k0tFnvq0U1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> on Tue, 2 Apr 2024 at 15:45:49 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 01/04/2024 23:52, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <l70j1cFejorU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
>> <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> on Mon, 1 Apr 2024 at 21:16:44 awoke
>> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>> On 01/04/2024 20:02, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>> In article <20240401182801.9302e764b69acb7115b3e5e5@eircom.net>, Ahem A
>>>> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Mon, 1 Apr 2024 at 18:28:01 awoke
>>>> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>>>> Ah well this shaving lark is a barberic practice best avoided.
>>>>>
>>>> WRT the barbaric practice:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68691987
>>>>
>>>> In the time of the Crimean War nobody thought that there was anything
>>>> wrong with bearded soldiers.
>>>>
>>>> Of course the Pioneer Sergeant of Infantry was expected to wear a full
>>>> set.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_sergeant
>>>>
>>>> see History and Traditions.
>>>>
>>> When I were in the Terriers,the reason for banning beards was given as
>>> to improve the seal round your gas mask. I assume with the full Noddy
>>> suits, that is no longer a promble.
>>
>> I cannot remember the detail anymore or who was involved, but as I
>> remember it the abandonment of beards in the army had something to do
>> with the prejudices of a senior officer. This was somewhere around the
>> end of the 19th century. Of course the British Indian Army did allow
>> Sikh members to wear beards.
>>
>Both versions are plausible, I was just quoting what I was told by the
>company sergeant. Then again, what did the Army rules ever have to do
>with logic?
>
>> There are still people around who have a prejudice against people who
>> are bearded.
>
>True.
>>>
>>> I assume that them on the oggin and the fly-by-nights were not
>>> expectedto be attacked that way, so beards were and are optional.
>>>
>> Those on the oggin are frequently trained and practice at fighting
>> fires on board ships, in confined spaces, at sea. The fire fighters wear
>> respirators. WW1 and WW2 submarines are particularly difficult spaces;
>> most crews had a high percentage of non-shavers, while at sea.
>>
>The seal round a respirator doesn't have to be all that good, as they
>tend to provide positive pressure using filtered air which blows the
>stuff outwards, or, in extreme cases, compressed air cylinders.
>Squaddies have to suck it in through the filter, so you get negative
>pressure in the mask. You make a good point about not shaving in
>confined spaces, though.
>
Nearly. Shaving in diesel powered submarines was (is?) discouraged
because of a shortage of water. The Leftpondians called them 'pig boats'
for good reason. Your nose would tell you if a sub was alongside.

--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 18:24 UTC

On 02-Apr-24 15:45, John Williamson wrote:
> On 01/04/2024 23:52, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <l70j1cFejorU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
>> <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>  on Mon, 1 Apr 2024 at 21:16:44 awoke
>> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>> On 01/04/2024 20:02, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>> In article <20240401182801.9302e764b69acb7115b3e5e5@eircom.net>, Ahem A
>>>> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>  on Mon, 1 Apr 2024 at 18:28:01 awoke
>>>> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>>>>       Ah well this shaving lark is a barberic practice best avoided.
>>>>>
>>>> WRT the barbaric practice:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68691987
>>>>
>>>> In the time of the Crimean War nobody thought that there was anything
>>>> wrong with bearded soldiers.
>>>>
>>>> Of course the Pioneer Sergeant of Infantry was expected to wear a full
>>>> set.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_sergeant
>>>>
>>>> see History and Traditions.
>>>>
>>> When I were in the Terriers,the reason for banning beards was given as
>>> to improve the seal round your gas mask. I assume with the full Noddy
>>> suits, that is no longer a promble.
>>
>> I cannot remember the detail anymore or who was involved, but as I
>> remember it the abandonment of beards in the army had something to do
>> with the prejudices of a senior officer. This was somewhere around the
>> end of the 19th century. Of course the British Indian Army did allow
>> Sikh members to wear beards.
>>
> Both versions are plausible, I was just quoting what I was told by the
> company sergeant. Then again, what did the Army rules ever have to do
> with logic?
>
>> There are still people around who have a prejudice against people who
>> are bearded.
>
> True.
>>>
>>> I assume that them on the oggin and the fly-by-nights were not
>>> expectedto be attacked that way, so beards were and are optional.
>>>
>>  Those on the oggin are frequently trained and practice at fighting
>> fires on board ships, in confined spaces, at sea. The fire fighters wear
>> respirators.  WW1 and WW2 submarines are particularly difficult spaces;
>> most crews had a high percentage of non-shavers, while at sea.
>>
> The seal round a respirator doesn't have to be all that good, as they
> tend to provide positive pressure using filtered air which blows the
> stuff outwards, or, in extreme cases, compressed air cylinders.
> Squaddies have to suck it in through the filter, so you get negative
> pressure in the mask. You make a good point about not shaving in
> confined spaces, though.

Confined spaces would make it harder to not 'stand closer to the razor'.

I wonder if matelots still need permission to grow a beard, & get told
to go back to shaving if they can't grow a decent beard?

--
Sam Plusnet

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On 02/04/2024 19:24, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> I wonder if matelots still need permission to grow a beard, & get told
> to go back to shaving if they can't grow a decent beard?

That was all down to the ID card photo. If approved you were sent
straight to the ship's photographer.

Most lads grew theirs when they went away on a commission, and shaved
off when they came sailing back to Blighty.

I was the opposite. I shaved off on the way to the Med on the Victorious
in 66, and kept shaving for 18 months. Much coolererer. I regrew on my
way back so that my kids would recognise me, and it's been there ever
since, 57 years and counting.

Gettin' up int' mornin's is hard enough without all that scraping crap.

Tone

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 19:31 UTC

On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 19:24:37 +0100
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> Confined spaces would make it harder to not 'stand closer to the razor'.

Confined spaces would make cut-throat razors even less welcoming.

> I wonder if matelots still need permission to grow a beard, & get told
> to go back to shaving if they can't grow a decent beard?

Contemplation of the combination of high seas and cut-throat razors
probably causes beard hairs to either sprout rapidly or vanish completely as
a defensive reflex.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

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"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote in
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> In article <XnsB1489CB8BACDDFactura3476@135.181.20.170>, Peter
> <myshed@prune.org.uk> on Tue, 2 Apr 2024 at 14:24:22 awoke Nicholas
> from his slumbers and wrote
>>Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote in news:vt-
>>cndgx7Zh3jpH7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@brightview.co.uk:
>>
>>> Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are still people around who have a prejudice against people
>>>> who are bearded.
>>>
>>> Well, I don't even like the look of *myself* with a beard
>>
>>I can't remember the look of myself without a beard. 'twas April 1969
>>when I started it.
>>
> How times have changed. In the sixties and seventies going shaveless
> was a subject of comment, often not very pleasant comment.
>
> Today I doubt if anyone would say anything at all. It is a long time
> since anyone has made a derogatory comment about my set.

I grew mine while I was doing oceanography on Discovery. When I got home,
SWMBO-to-be said "oh, you can keep that". So I did.

--
Peter
-----

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On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 20:26:43 -0000 (UTC), Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk>
wrote:

>"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote in
>news:5quhiXBSpCDmFAOa@salmiron.com:
>
>> In article <XnsB1489CB8BACDDFactura3476@135.181.20.170>, Peter
>> <myshed@prune.org.uk> on Tue, 2 Apr 2024 at 14:24:22 awoke Nicholas
>> from his slumbers and wrote
>>>Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote in news:vt-
>>>cndgx7Zh3jpH7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@brightview.co.uk:
>>>
>>>> Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There are still people around who have a prejudice against people
>>>>> who are bearded.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I don't even like the look of *myself* with a beard
>>>
>>>I can't remember the look of myself without a beard. 'twas April 1969
>>>when I started it.
>>>
>> How times have changed. In the sixties and seventies going shaveless
>> was a subject of comment, often not very pleasant comment.
>>
>> Today I doubt if anyone would say anything at all. It is a long time
>> since anyone has made a derogatory comment about my set.
>
>I grew mine while I was doing oceanography on Discovery. When I got home,
>SWMBO-to-be said "oh, you can keep that". So I did.
>

For many years - my 20s - 40s - it was - grow a beard for winter -
- shave it off for summer. A common and practical practice
here in southern Canuckistan, where one really does not want
a beard in muggy July - August.
" You look younger ! " was the Spring refrain.
The 'stash has remained throughout, but mine is always
a shameful thing when compared to my grandfather's ...

https://imgur.com/a/MLZrloP

John T.

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From: snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
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Subject: Re: a closer shave
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:15:00 +0100
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 by: Sn!pe - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 22:15 UTC

Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:

> Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>
> > There are still people around who have a prejudice against
> > people who are bearded.
>
> Well, I don't even like the look of *myself* with a beard

Being a zbqrea sort of a wader I hold the opinion that stubble
is the thing in these fine latter days. Accordingly, I do a rough
mowing once a fortnight.

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.

Re: a closer shave

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 by: Mr Guest - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 22:42 UTC

Sn!pe wrote (apparently) in uk.rec.sheds on Tue 02 Apr 2024 23:15:00:

> Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>
>> Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>
>> > There are still people around who have a prejudice against
>> > people who are bearded.
>>
>> Well, I don't even like the look of *myself* with a beard
>
> Being a zbqrea sort of a wader I hold the opinion that stubble
> is the thing in these fine latter days. Accordingly, I do a rough
> mowing once a fortnight.
>
Ordinarily do similar. Unfortunately my dear old mum is in hospital with
Covid, so I have to wear masks to visit. Had a proper shave else the hairs on
my throat ratchet the mask down all the time.

Otherwise happy to do the lack of shaving thing.
--
Mr Guest
Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere

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 by: Sn!pe - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 22:56 UTC

Mr Guest <tom@guest-spamtrap.co.uk> wrote:

> Sn!pe wrote (apparently) in uk.rec.sheds on Tue 02 Apr 2024 23:15:00:
> > Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
> >> Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> >>
> >> > There are still people around who have a prejudice against
> >> > people who are bearded.
> >>
> >> Well, I don't even like the look of *myself* with a beard
> >
> > Being a zbqrea sort of a wader I hold the opinion that stubble
> > is the thing in these fine latter days. Accordingly, I do a rough
> > mowing once a fortnight.
> >
> Ordinarily do similar. Unfortunately my dear old mum is in hospital with
> Covid, so I have to wear masks to visit. Had a proper shave else the hairs on
> my throat ratchet the mask down all the time.
>
> Otherwise happy to do the lack of shaving thing.

Sorry to hear about Mum, all good wishes for her early full recovery.

As it happens, Mrs Sn!pe is going in to see the sawbones tomorrow;
she's having a hip replacement. Any cruciate digits for her will be
gratefully received.

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.

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