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Subject: There are waiting lists in Oxford for new bike hangars
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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Wed, 6 Sep 2023 15:44 UTC

Alison Hill of Cyclox welcomes the arrival of bike hangars in Oxford and says it will transform cycle parking in the city.

On August 17 three bike hangars arrived in Jericho, one in Cranham Street, one in Nelson St and one in Great Clarendon Street, after a consultation lasting one month.

These are the first ones to be installed in Oxford.

Bike hangars are on-road cycle storage units for bikes. They can fit six bikes and provide secure storage for bikes. They take up about two thirds of a standard car parking place and are bolted down on the road next to the kerb.

London boroughs are rolling out installation rapidly. There are an estimated 4,000 cycle hangars across London, but there is still a big waiting list, evidence that they are very popular with residents.

They are useful in areas of higher density housing where there isn’t space for bike storage on the property. Typically, this would be in streets with terraced houses where there is a lot of on road parking.

Jericho is an example of such housing, with front doors opening directly onto the street.

It has lots of terraced houses and currently residents either store their bikes inside their house or leave them on the street locked to a lamppost, a drainpipe, or another piece of street furniture.

More than half of all households in Jericho have no car and rely on cycling and on public transport.

Bike theft is a big problem for the community and is one of the key barriers preventing Oxford residents to take up cycling.

Many people who have had their bikes stolen give up cycling, because they just don’t want to risk losing their bike for the second time.

The funding for the hangars comes from the Thames Valley police who secured funds through the Home Office Safer Streets Fund.

Jericho and East Oxford are areas where there is a high rate of cycle theft so secure cycle parking has been installed in both areas.

The cycle parking in East Oxford uses the ‘Streetpod’, which provide secure parking but open to the elements. They are a first come first served cycle parking solution and do not require residents to pay to park their bikes, whereas bike hangars do.

The Oxford Mail reports that some residents are unhappy about the bike hangar being installed on their streets and compare them to pigsties. Though it is hard to see the beauty in cars parked bumper to bumper along each street.

But a bigger problem than appearance is that the hangars overlap the pavements, making already narrow pavements narrower. Cyclox and others have said to the county council this is not acceptable.
The county council has responded promptly saying that they will take the hangars in Nelson Street and Great Clarendon Street off the pavement and place them fully on the carriageway removing pavement obstruction.

They will replace the hangar in Cranham Street with a mini-hangar, as a full-size hangar encroaches too much on the carriageway.

The mini hangar can still accommodate four bicycles and will open parallel to the kerb/footway and will not obstruct the footway.

If you are interested in renting a space in one of these bike hangar or getting one installed on your street, you can submit a request to Cyclehoop, the company managing bike hangars, via http://www.cyclehoop.rentals/The rental price has been set at less than the cost of parking a car in a controlled parking zone at £55 a year.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23758104.waiting-lists-oxford-new-bike-hangars/

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 by: JNugent - Wed, 6 Sep 2023 19:27 UTC

On 06/09/2023 04:44 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> Alison Hill of Chav-Cyclox welcomes the arrival of chav-bike bins in Oxford and says it will transform chav-cycle parking in the city.
> On August 17 three bins arrived in Jericho, one in Cranham Street, one in Nelson St and one in Great Clarendon Street, after a consultation lasting one month.
> These are the first ones to be installed in Oxford.
> Chav-bike bins are on-road cycle storage units for chav-bikes. They can fit six chav-bikes and provide secure storage for those chav-bikes. They take up about two thirds of a standard car parking place and are bolted down on the road next to the kerb.
> London boroughs are rolling out installation rapidly. There are an estimated 4,000 cycle bins across London, but there is still a big waiting list, evidence that they are very popular with residents.
> They are useful in areas of higher density housing where there isn’t space for chav-bike storage on the property.

Move somewhere less pikey and chavvy?

> Typically, this would be in streets with terraced houses where there is a lot of on road parking.
> Jericho is an example of such housing, with front doors opening directly onto the street.

Actually onto the FOOTway, though that does not keep pedestrians exiting
their front doors safe from chavs on bikes, of course.

> It has lots of terraced houses and currently resident chavs either store their chav-bikes inside their house [Often in the kitchen, perhaps even on the table? - Ed.] or leave them on the street locked to a lamppost, a drainpipe, or another piece of street furniture.
> More than half of all households in Jericho have no car and rely on chav-cycling and on public transport.
> Chav-bike theft is a big problem for the community

That can only be because chav-bike riders are prepared and ready to
steal chav-bikes for personal use, sale or breaking for parts (parts for
sale to other chavs on bikes, no awkward questions asked).

> and is one of the key barriers preventing Oxford residents to take up chav-cycling.
> Many people who have had their chav-bikes stolen give up chav-cycling, because they just don’t want to risk losing their chav-bike for the second time.

They can only do that if they get it back, of course.
>
> The funding for the bins comes from the Thames Valley police who secured funds through the Home Office Safer Streets Fund.
> Jericho and East Oxford are areas where there is a high rate of chav-cycle theft

Obviously, a lot of chav-cyclists in the area, then.

> so secure chav-cycle parking has been installed in both areas.
> The chav-cycle parking in East Oxford uses the ‘Streetpod’, which provide secure parking but open to the elements. They are a first come first served chav-cycle parking solution and do not require resident chavs to pay to park their chav-bikes, whereas chav-bike bins do.
> The Oxford Mail reports that some residents are unhappy about the chav-bike bins being installed on their streets and compare them to pigsties. Though it is hard to see the beauty in cars parked bumper to bumper along each street.
> But a bigger problem than appearance is that the bins overlap the pavements, making already narrow pavements narrower.

That will obviously present a problem for most chav-cyclists, since
FOOTways are their preferred routes - and those pesky pedestrians have a
nasty habit of getting in the way.

> Chav-Cyclox and others have said to the county council this is not acceptable.

Gerraway!

> The county council has responded promptly saying that they will take the chav-bins in Nelson Street and Great Clarendon Street off the pavement and place them fully on the carriageway removing pavement obstruction.
> They will replace the hangar in Cranham Street with a mini-bin, as a full-size bin encroaches too much on the carriageway.
> The mini bin can still accommodate four chav-bicycles and will open parallel to the kerb/footway and will not obstruct the footway.
> If you are interested in renting a space in one of these chav-bike binsor getting one installed on your street, you can submit a request to Chav-CCyclehoop, the company managing chav-bike bins, via http://www.cyclehoop.rentals/The rental price has been set at less than the cost of parking a car in a controlled parking zone at £55 a year.
>
> https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23758104.waiting-lists-oxford-new-bike-hangars/

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Derek Amitri 4th September 8:01 am
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The hangar in the pic holds six bikes. Given the hangar takes up the same space as a car, the cost should be about £11, to give the same £/square metre. My point exactly. Taking up 1/6th of the space should incur 1/6th of the charge.

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 by: JNugent - Wed, 6 Sep 2023 23:01 UTC

On 06/09/2023 08:37 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> Derek Amitri 4th September 8:01 am
> User ID: 2457570
> The hangar in the pic holds six bikes. Given the hangar takes up the same space as a car, the cost should be about £11, to give the same £/square metre. My point exactly. Taking up 1/6th of the space should incur 1/6th of the charge.

And nothing at all added for the provision of the chav-bike bin -
capital cost, maintenance, insurance, etc?

Why not?

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Thu, 7 Sep 2023 06:46 UTC

neilmmacgregor 4th September 3:00 pm
User ID: 896388
The bike hangars look no worse than cars parked by the road side and are less visually intrusive than vans and other large vehicles.

INDEED.

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 by: Spike - Thu, 7 Sep 2023 08:30 UTC

JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
> On 06/09/2023 08:37 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Derek Amitri 4th September 8:01 am
>> User ID: 2457570
>> The hangar in the pic holds six bikes. Given the hangar takes up the
>> same space as a car, the cost should be about £11, to give the same
>> £/square metre. My point exactly. Taking up 1/6th of the space should
>> incur 1/6th of the charge.

> And nothing at all added for the provision of the chav-bike bin -
> capital cost, maintenance, insurance, etc?

> Why not?

Because, as seems the modus in the cycling world, someone else pays?

--
Spike

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 by: Spike - Thu, 7 Sep 2023 08:30 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> neilmmacgregor 4th September 3:00 pm
> User ID: 896388

> The bike hangars look no worse than cars parked by the road side and are
> less visually intrusive than vans and other large vehicles.

> INDEED.

Bike hangars remind me of the roadside pig bins that were about when I was
young, being a green and smelly intrusion.

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 by: colwyn - Thu, 7 Sep 2023 09:42 UTC

On 07/09/2023 09:30, Spike wrote:
> swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
>> neilmmacgregor 4th September 3:00 pm
>> User ID: 896388
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>> The bike hangars look no worse than cars parked by the road side and are
>> less visually intrusive than vans and other large vehicles.
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>> INDEED.
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> Bike hangars remind me of the roadside pig bins that were about when I was
> young, being a green and smelly intrusion.
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I am sure your mother loved you!

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colwyn <guddiesx@btinternet.invalid> wrote:
> On 07/09/2023 09:30, Spike wrote:
>> swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> neilmmacgregor 4th September 3:00 pm
>>> User ID: 896388
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>>> The bike hangars look no worse than cars parked by the road side and are
>>> less visually intrusive than vans and other large vehicles.
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>>> INDEED.
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>> Bike hangars remind me of the roadside pig bins that were about when I was
>> young, being a green and smelly intrusion.
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> I am sure your mother loved you!

LOL!

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Spike

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Cycle hangars are on-street, secure cycle parking storage units for up to 6 bikes, intended for use by members of the public or local residents.

Cycle hangars provide secure on-street cycle parking, members can only access the hangars by using a key. They encourage cycling by providing a safe parking place to individuals who would otherwise be put off owning and using a bike in Hackney.

We have the highest number of secure bike hangars in London and commit to doubling the number of yearly installations. We’ll install 675 new bike hangars in Hackney by 2026, in a huge expansion of secure on-street and estate cycle parking in the borough. Helping those without space in their homes to store bikes safely on the street and encourage more people to cycle.

We’ve installed 650 hangars, giving almost 3,800 residents an accessible and secure place to store their bike.

A space in a cycle hangar costs £48 a year on the street, and £34 a year on estates, plus a £28.50 key deposit. Due to the high level of demand, we operate a waiting list, and there’s a limit of one space per resident.

If you’d like to apply for a space in a cycle hangar, you need to register your interest. If you’re a couple or a group of people, you’ll need to register your interest separately, as we are only able to offer one space per person due to the level of demand for the service.

You can register your interest in up to 5 hangars in your area.

We offer available spaces to the residents who have been on the waiting list for each hangar the longest.

You’ll also be automatically considered for any new hangars installed near your home.

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