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Subject: Nothing to see here, just another Conservative minister relaying
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 by: Simon Mason - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 12:37 UTC

More from the government’s Plan for Votes – sorry, I mean Drivers (I promise we’ll talk about something else in a minute)…

At the Conservative conference yesterday, transport secretary Mark Harper decided to cast off any aspersions that he belongs to a serious government by jumping deep into the conspiracy well and referring to the concept of 15-minute cities – you know, the schemes which try to ensure that all your local necessities are within a 15 minute walk or cycle – as a “sinister” attempt by local councils to “decide how often you go to the shops, and that they can ration who uses the roads and when, and that they police it all with CCTV.”

On BBC Radio 4’s PM programme, it was left up to Andrew Bowie, the minister for nuclear and networks, bless him, to defend Harper’s stance. So, what did Bowie come up with?

“There are proposals out there for 15-minute cities, and I think people are worried that this is an infringement on their liberties, on their freedoms, on their ability to choose where they go to access services. We do not want local authorities dictating to people that they must choose to access those services within 15 minutes of their house,” Bowie said, while impressively maintaining a straight face.

However, he did add: “Of course, we want more services locally and close to where people live. And that’s an eminently Conservative thing to support.”

But, we’re going to ditch all our Conservative beliefs and principles with a transparent attempt to stir up controversy and woo conspiracy theorists in a desperate bid to stay in power. Well, he didn’t say that bit, but you know what I mean.

“But we’re not going to dictate to people that that they must only access a service, or go to the shops, with 15-minutes,” he actually said. So, same thing really.

When the presenter pointed out that the Conservatives were basically “pretending” and “making up” concerns about 15-minute cities, and “spreading conspiracy theories”, Bowie limply doubled down, pointing out that those very theories were popping up on the doorsteps and on online forums, so they must be extremely real.

Of course, Bowie and Harper aren’t the first Tory MPs to engage with the conspiracy-laden opposition to 15-minute cities – and judging by the state of political discourse at the moment, they won’t be the last…

https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-live-blog-3-october-2023-304247#live-blog-item-50129

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 by: Spike - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 15:07 UTC

Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> At the Conservative conference yesterday, transport secretary Mark Harper
> decided to cast off any aspersions that he belongs to a serious
> government by jumping deep into the conspiracy well and referring to the
> concept of 15-minute cities

> https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-live-blog-3-october-2023-304247#live-blog-item-50129

QUOTE

Oxford council chiefs “covered up” data that risked “jeopardising” its
controversial climate zones, which will ban residents from travelling
directly between suburbs, The Telegraph can disclose.

Six traffic filters, described as “bus gates”, will close off arterial
roads to cars in an attempt to relieve congestion and promote cycling in a
trial starting next year.

Local drivers will be given 100-day annual permits to cross the boundaries
– or 25-day permits if they live outside the city – and fined £70 on other
days unless they take a detour onto the ring road, with buses, HGVs,
cyclists and blue-badge holders exempt.

However, Oxfordshire County Council has been accused of “hiding crucial
figures” from residents, which show its scheme could increase traffic.

Tory councillors are demanding that the Labour-Lib Dem-Green coalition
returns to the drawing board, criticising it for “acting like masters” who
“railroad through” climate ideas in a “democracy-free zone”.

Amid rising opposition in the city, Liz Leffman, the council leader, has
called critics “conspiracy theorists”. Police have been called in, while
thousands have signed petitions against the zones.

UNQUOTE

Well, what’s not restricting about those measures, imposed without a vote,
by the climate-deranged fibbers at Oxford CC?

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Spike

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 by: Simon Mason - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 15:39 UTC

Back in February, when a Conservative Party lawmaker in the UK’s House of Commons voiced support for the 15-minute city conspiracy, he was laughed at by his fellow members of Parliament. Now, eight months later, the British government is fully embracing the fringe conspiracy and placing it at the heart of government policy.

“Right across our country, there is a Labour-backed movement to make cars harder to use, to make driving more expensive, and to remove your freedom to get from A to B how you want,” Tory MP Mark Harper told the party conference in Manchester on this morning. “I am calling time on the misuse of so-called 15-minute cities,” he added.

A 15-minute city is an urban planning concept where all amenities are available within a 15-minute walk or bike ride. In the wake of Covid-19 lockdowns, a conspiracy arose claiming it as part of a global plot to allow governments to control their populations.

“What is sinister, and what we shouldn’t tolerate, is the idea that local councils can decide how often you go to the shops, and that they can ration who uses the roads and when, and that they police it all with CCTV,” Harper said this morning.

Harper’s comments come just eight months after fellow Tory MP Nick Fletcher was mocked for voicing his support for the conspiracy theory in the House of Commons. Fletcher told his colleague that the idea of 15-minute cities was an “international socialist concept” and that it will “cost our personal freedom.”

In recent months, protests against measures introduced by councils across the UK to lower speed limits and bring in low-traffic neighborhoods saw the conspiracy around 15-minute cities gain traction, and last Friday, September 29, the government unveiled a new transport plan that directly references the conspiracy.

The new plan is designed to put driving, rather than walking or cycling, at the heart of government policy on urban planning. “The plans aim to stop councils implementing so-called ‘15-minute cities’ by consulting on ways to prevent schemes which aggressively restrict where people can drive,” the government said in its press release.

In an interview published over the weekend, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak unveiled his government’s new plan and slammed the 15-minute city concept. “Politicians always want to make short-term decisions, take the easy way out, without any thinking about how that is actually just going to impact ordinary people,” Sunak told The Sun.

The idea of a 15-minute city has been around for almost a decade and was first posited in 2015 by Carlos Moreno, a French urban designer and professor at Panthéon-Sorbonne University in Paris. He described his idea as cities that “should be designed so that within the distance of a 15-minute walk or bike ride, people should be able to access work, housing, food, health, education, culture, and leisure.”

Conspiracies surrounding the concept began bubbling up on social media channels in 2020, linked to claims of a looming climate lockdown in which the use of cars and other fossil-fuel-powered vehicles would be banned. When lockdowns happened for a year after the Covid-19 pandemic hit, the conspiracy-addled internet went into overdrive, and the idea of a 15-minute city mutated to become a Stalinist climate lockdown plot designed by globalist groups like the World Economic Forum to more easily control all aspects of people’s lives and turn local communities into prisons.

The conspiracy has taken hold among right-wing audiences in the United States on social media, with psychologist turned right-wing conspiracy theorist Jordan Peterson boosting it in a tweet late last year that has been viewed almost 8 million times.

During the wildfires in Hawaii this summer, many conspiracy theorists on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, claimed that a direct-energy weapon was used to purposely start the fire that destroyed the city of Lahaina to make way for the creation of a new 15-minute city.

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 by: Spike - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 20:16 UTC

Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> Back in February, when a Conservative Party lawmaker in the UK’s House of
> Commons voiced support for the 15-minute city conspiracy, he was laughed
> at by his fellow members of Parliament. Now, eight months later, the
> British government is fully embracing the fringe conspiracy and placing
> it at the heart of government policy.

But your previous post in this thread contained this, which is totally
opposite to what you have just written…

Simon Mason:

QUOTE

At the Conservative conference yesterday, transport secretary Mark Harper
decided to cast off any aspersions that he belongs to a serious government
by jumping deep into the conspiracy well and referring to the concept of
15-minute cities – you know, the schemes which try to ensure that all your
local necessities are within a 15 minute walk or cycle – as a “sinister”
attempt by local councils to “decide how often you go to the shops, and
that they can ration who uses the roads and when, and that they police it
all with CCTV.”

ENDQUOTE

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Spike

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